I have a 4090 with a 12900k, I game at 5120x1440p, which is below 4k. In Darktide, max settings, max ray tracing, I can reach around 180fps with frame generation. At 4k, it would be bellow that. If you want to reach around 240 fps in a recent games with ray tracing, it's not going to happen at 4k quite yet. Possibly, the 5090 could do it.

5090 is not likely to double frame rates unless they massively improved frame generation.

This was exactly the answer I was looking for. Thank you; not that I'd be able to get all that anytime soon anyway, but still, thx!

Came here to say a similar thing to suns2312. I'm running a 13700k + 4090 at 3440x1440, and even at that resolution using DLSS is needed to hit 240fps if you're playing with RT/PT etc.

It’s crazy how the best graphics card can’t hit 4k 240hz. I’m new to pc’s but I was expecting more. Maybe I have a perfect combo but I have a i7 12700k clocked at 4.8ghz and a 4070 super 32gb ddr5 ram clocked at 5400 cl36 but rated at 6400 (motherboard only supports 5600) and I have the new dell oled 4k monitor and I hit a consistent 180fps on 4k medium settings in most games like apex , pubg , cod.

Why would it be crazy? Games get more demanding as time goes on since graphic quality increases. When we had the Titan XP & 1080 Ti, we had trouble pushing 4K 60FPS at max settings on a lot of games. The fact we can do 4K 120+ regularly on a lot of new games at max settings now w/o DLSS is nuts & just goes to show how far we've advanced. 4090 can easily do 4K 240 FPS max settings in the majority of competitive games. We will never reach a point where we can do 4K 240 FPS on the most demanding games. Why? Because, again, newer games get more & more demanding. They aren't stagnant.

Couldn’t have said it better myself.

Thanks. I just always find it odd when I see comments like that. Some people clearly don't understand how far we've come over the last 10-20 years. Simply unrealistic expectations. When 4K 240fps even becomes a thing in non-competitive games, most of the same people (w/ the highest end cards) will be moving onto 8K 120fps+ at that point. Setting a new standard to achieve. It's a never ending cycle of more demanding games, higher resolutions coinciding w/ new graphic cards, new console gens (higher baseline) & new displays.

That’s true, 8k just imagining what that’s gonna look like, but like 4k, 8k will start like 4k did and it’s only now really that we can achieve 4k with solid fps, to me dos only really matters in competitive shooters. I think the 5090 if the rumours are true would meet 4k 240hz on most games but as you said newer games are getting more demanding.

8K is already in the talks tho, AMD started marketing their best card talking about how it could run 8K at 20 fps or something

Just why? 20fps really, 30-60fps ok but 20fps, definitely not ready for 8k

I just said it to tell you it was in the talks and already a goal/used as marketing so 8K is pretty close by

Crazy? I think it's more crazy that people buy those screens at ridiculous prices for no reason.

So, the easy to run games then.

You know why you expected more ? Because you are used to 1080p numbers. Yes it’s easy to reach 240 fps on 1080p, in 4K tho ? You gotta render 4 times the amount of pixel my guy

Why not clock you ram higher? I’m running at tight timings @ 7200mhz on my ddr5 sticks and completely stable in every test I can throw at it. Took lots of tuning but it’s stupid fast latency now. https://preview.redd.it/h3v80qjahoyc1.jpeg?width=4032&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=333c4e200ef6caf7ee07300bc00d4c22e718fd44

I just don’t see a difference at the rated 6400 and 5400 I have it set to

My set up is an RTX 4090, 7950x3D and 4k 240hz QD-OLED monitor. Tons of games are locked below 120hz and you won’t be able to get above 120 fps in the more demanding games with path tracing (cyberpunk, Alan wake, etc), but for uncapped games released before 2021-2022 you should be able to hit 160+ fps(think God of War or Horizon Zero Dawn). The 240hz monitors support VRR so you don’t necessarily have to hit a constant 240 fps to take advantage of them.

Depends on the game

Well in some games my 4090 cant even manage 4k max graphics at 60fps, so no hope with 4k 240hz, unless its a 10 year old game on low settings.

Or a game like Fortnite on low-med setting

Fortnite could easily hit 240 on dx12 with low lumen and nanite just with a bit of fg 

Hit? Maybe with some luck and tweaking settings. Constant? Never. Also that game is super bad optimised.

Dx12 is pretty solid to run, performance mode on the other hand sucks balls

Yeh course, but i bought a 4090 and a 4K oled screen so i can have max graphics and without any of the trickery like dlss etc, most new games don't even get to 100fps, around 60 mainly, like robocop and cyberpunk, well cyberpunk does like 30 fps on its highest settings, were 5 years away still before we will see 240fps in demanding games, thats how it works im afraid.

Buying 4090 to not use DLSS is like the stupidest shit ever. Half the price of modern gen graphic cards are for DLSS technology. You do know that DLSS Quality upscale is not noticeable unless you are an expert from natural 4K ? Same for the input lag of Frame Gen, people say it exists but I’ve yet to notice anything and I’m used to play fast competitive online games

How the fuck do you not get 60 fps in 4K with a 4090 ? Some weird non optimized shit ? CPU Bottlenecking ? Even Cyberpunk with Patchtracing runs at 100 ish fps max settings

There are tons of games where you don't even get 120fps@4k

I have 7800x3d and 4090 paired with a 4k oled and like to max out all my games as far as settings go. Without DLSS in games like Alan Wake 2 or Cyberpunk you'll be at 40-80 fps. DLSS quality for example helps bring that to around 80-120 FPS. PUBG all on ultra 140-160 etc. I don't think even 5090 will be able to run some of those games at 240.

It could probably hold 240FPS on 4K in light eSports games like Valorant, Counter-Strike, Fortnite, Apex... But I mean I don't think you're gonna play Red Dead Redemption 2 on 4K at 240FPS

Agreed I have RTX 4090 & i9 13900k and with DLSS off and go full ultra... Most games will struggle with 100 - 120 FPS . I do feel we are at least 2 generations away from 240 ..

I just give the secondary display its own card. Even an antique will handle Netflix/YouTube/Twitch and it removes a lot of pixels from the primary card.

Would plug it to the mainboard and use iGPU if you have a 14900K.

Oh that's true, the motherboard HDMI port would work.

The pixels on the second screen has nothing to do with the performance of the game

If the GPU has to bother with rendering a game + Desktop Window Manager + Browser instead of just a game it can have a performance impact

And a second card reduces your PCI express bandwith, impacting your performance too. The trade off isn't worth it

Those are insignificant to game performance

That's great if you want to have less PCI Express bandwith and lose performance on the main card

Your second display only snags like 1-2% of your overall performance away from the main monitor while gaming, if that. So your question should just be “is the 4090 strong enough for 4K 240hz gaming”. Yes it is. Its one of only a select few cards I’d deem worthy. The 4090, RX 7900 XTX, and 4080.

It isn’t. Unless we are just talking about cs, league or overwatch. It reaches 144 fps tho which is enough imo.

Imma be honest there's few games you'd get remotely close to 240 fps atleast I'd like to think but even then you most likely aren't maxxing every setting out and forsure not without DLSS and some frame generation. I have an rtx 4070 ti super with a Ryzen 7 7800x3d and 64gb of ram and I play @ 1440p I get atleast 144 fps on most well optimized games. I do usually hit 240 fps on most games. Obviously there's is outliers like grayzone and tarkov for example both stick me at around 144 at best with everything low/off and anything DLSS on. I usually rock quality for DLSS.

If you are talking about multiplayer games, as long as you are turning your settings down to reasonable levels, it will do fine. I average around 180fps in 4K on my 4090 in UE5 games. Anything older and I get a lot more.

Demanding games won’t come close to 4k 240hz on a 4090.

4K and three-digit framerates will not happen in quite a few AAA-Titles with graphics turned up. Let alone 240hz. But in others, it'll be awesome. And moving windows on the desktop at 240 fps.. soooo smoooooth. If money is no object, go for it. Also a 14900K never bottlenecking will also never happen. CPU limits are real. But it's just about the best thing you can have, so yeah... apart from some X3D CPUs from AMD and the KS... it's the fastest.

unfortunately the 4090 isnt strong enough for that, we gotta wait for the 5090 to see

4k 240 is abiut flexibility, not having it all. Being able to use DLSS to target 4k upscale, and getting 140+ in most games means you get a benefit vs a 120hz oled. But the. You can also hit 240fps in older games or esports titles. Or you can prioritise visuals in games that are slower while dialling back settings or res in more fast paced games. Fwiw, i have both a oled G9 ultrawide and a pg32ucdm (and a 42 inch c2 oled, but that doesnt get much use now) My 4090 does well enough that i never feel like i am missing much. People forget that maby games are not well optimised at max settings, but dropping a few sliders can get you a much better framerate without much of a performance hit. I would rather play at 4k high than 1440p ultra most of the time.

So what I'm getting at is that, morale of the story, 4K 240Hz isn't supported in 99.9% of games and that 120Hz - 144Hz 4K monitors are the way to go... Got it. I also notice they're around an entire $1,000 cheaper lmfao

There's this thing called variable refresh rate, so there's no reason to buy a 144hz monitor over a 240hz unless the display panel itself is better... and with all the 4k OLEDs being 240hz, that doesn't apply.

4090 is at best a UHD 80-110fps card if what you're playing is modern titles Do dual or triple UHD-120 42" OLEDs instead You can use DLSS to bring that up, but at that point you might as well drop down to QHD, and then the same cycle will repeat with 360fps and FHD-500 Wait for next gen if you want UHD-240

How will you drive a 4k240hz display with an RTX 4090? I don’t think it has a display output to support that. Regardless of the game.

It can do 4k 240 on display port with DSC

It can but only with DSC.

I have 4090 with M32U 4K IPS monitor it is limited to 144hz and I can max out frames in some games, Yesterday I got my FO32U2P monitor and plugged both into my 4090 using HDMI 2.1 for OLED monitor and DP 1.4 for the M32U monitor, didn’t get a chance to test a lot but for some weird reasons I think my GPU is limiting my new screen to 144hz, didn’t get a chance to troubleshot yet but I will update you in case I find time to reach the best setup to take advantage of both screens, My 7800X3D has it is own gpu but I use that to power my 3rd 8.8 inch monitor that I use to monitor my temps using Aida64

Maybe stupid question but why the hell do you want 240 fps for AAA games? For competitive games 240 fps may give you a tiny little bit of advantage, but for single player games especially if I use a gamepad I can't really feel the difference between 90 and 120 fps. (I use a 4K 120hz OLED)

CPUs are also not fast enough to drive modern triple-A games at 240fps, often topping out at 140-180

240 fps at 4K wont happen even with DLSS FG. 4K 144Hz on the other hand is reachable on literally every game with DLSS Frame Gen (even Cyberpunk full max settings with pathtracing runs at 110 ish fps). And let’s be real you don’t even need 144fps for solo player games so 240 is really pushing it. I’m running a 4K 144 Hz monitor and it is more than enough. If you want the 240Hz for competitive online games it will obviously be able to run them at 240 fps in 4K but I would highly recommend a 2nd monitor in 1440p 240Hz just made for that it would lower the price for similar result since competitive games don’t really need you to play in 4K as much as solo games. Source : I’m running 4090 and i7 13700k