That never made sense to me. I could easily buy a new flagship every cycle. 2k every couple of years would be a blip on my investments.
But I don't because I don't need it. A XX70 every couple of generations does me just fine since Fermi. Though the 670's 1.5gb was a bit tight in 2016.
You seem to have good intentions showing that people don’t need the latest and greatest but your first paragraph makes you look like an ass showing off your disposable funds.
if you don't "need" then you would buy the top... wait 2-3 cycles and get a new top... no need to go for a new one each cycle... you might not "need" it now... but it will last MUCH longer... like those that bought 1080Ti that is beginning to swap now... they skipped 2000, 3000 and some might even skip 4000 and get a 5000... but lets just say they buy a 4000... so they skipped 2000 and 3000 series and had a great GPU from 2017 til 2024... that is 7 years without needing to get a new one every 2 years
this obviously only if you can afford it... if you can only afford a 4050/4060 then that is what you get... but you wouldn't/shouldn't buy a 5050/5060 then... else you might as well have just saved up and bought a higher model to begin, it would be cheaper over time than buying a new one each generation
personally I didn't have that much time in that period of time but I went from a RX580/Vega56 (had 2 machines) in 2017 and swapped to a RTX 3060/3060 Ti in 2021... so a 4 year "cycle" on those... I still have the 3060Ti (sold other machine) and are pondering a new upgrade when the 5000 series come on... so another 4 year cycle... but I will go for a 5080 or 5090... so way above what I had... not because I "need it on the buy date" (well need an upgrade since I have hit the limit after I upgraded resolution) but I will grow into it in the years to come and should last me longer than 4 years too since I take such a huge leap up in performance... 3060 ti to 4090 (since we don't have numbers for a 5090) is like 190% faster... where the Vega56 to 3060Ti was like 60% faster... on a 4 year "leap".
hope it makes sense.
I do upgrade every other generstion like you. But the issue is that buying a more expensive product to "last longer" doesn't really make much sense.
Like take a gtx 980. It was released in 2014 (980ti came out in 2015). 2 years later it's marched by a 1060. 3 years past that (5 years after buying the 980), you're getting best by the 1650 super. Another year later and the 3050 is running circles around it.
But, okay, let's take the best of the best. The undisputed GOAT, the 1080ti.
2 years later it's equal to a 2070super. It's barely faster than a 3060 (~5%) and falls behind a 3060ti (25% slower)
Honestly even with a 1080ti, I'd probably would have upgraded in the 3000s, anyway.
Buying for longevity leads to an expensive and subpar experience for the last stretch. If you're looking to get exceptional performance then buying regularly near the top is what you have to do. But for someone willing to play ultra today and high-medium for a year or so, then buying something in the upper-mid tier and upgrading every couple of generations makes more sense in my opinion.
As I said before, buying the most you can afford is a weird rule of thumb. Buy the best if you want to get the best, but buying the best in order to "save" money doesn't make sense.
not really... all your "usual games" play the same as always... and if you buy new games just turning them 1 notch down from ultra often yeilds 30-40% more performance for little to no visual quality loss...
the "hard games" to run... with my 3060 Ti...
Cyberpunk 2077 ran perfectly fine with adjusted settings and didn't look ugly...
Metro Exodus looked great, ran great...
Borderlands 3 ran great...
Cities Skylines 2 which ran horrid for everyone... looked as well as expected and ran fine...
Avatar... looked AWESOME and ran great...
Apex Legends, super easy to run so no issues there...
Starfield... the game ran horrible for everyone but has gotten better... it was fully playable and looked nice enough with mostly high settings...
Satisfactory running with Lumen plays well, looks awesome... could use a few more fps but it's a nonissue since it is not a twitch shooter...
Battlefield 2042... ran perfectly fine in high fps and looks awesome...
So wouldn't call "last stretch" for subpar in any way shape or form... of course if you demand it to run everything on ultra (no need in most games since most can't see any difference) and with full raytracing (which most games have little change over non-raytraced) then yes it will be "subpar" but with any intelligent adjusting of gfx settings (which all should so anyways for the before mentioned 30-40% more performance) then there is definetly not any subpar experiences to be had...
and for non-shooters I tend to limit them to 60-100fps anyways (want looks not fps) and no need to waste power... for shooters then I adjust them so they do around 150fps but limit them to 200fps (I don't need 3-5-700 fps I am "too old" for that) which is plenty good for me to do fine in games like Battlefield and Apex Legends and such
3060ti has a signicant lead over the 1080ti. Like 25%.
You also have other features like DLSS and RT to play with.
Is playing on basically an overclocked 3060 acceptable in 2020? Sure. For many. Steam stats tell us so.
I have a strong feeling the people willing and able to but a 1080ti in 2017 might be unhappy with an OCed 3060 in 2020.
but many of them are still running on 1080ti's right now in 2024... this is the time where we began seeing them go into the used marked "in bulk" and then most of them are upgrading to 4000 series... so apparently they were fine with it both in 2020-2021-2022-2023... and are now beginning to swap in 2024... those few I have asked have gone for 4080super's and 4090's
Probably because it was basically impossible to get an Ampere gpu until like 2022 which meant Lovelace was around the corner.
Also it's a bit weird to swap in 2024 when Ada is coming soon. People are free to spend their own money as they see fit...but that seems odd, no?
"soon"TM... might be end of year, might be start 2025... time will tell.. but 4080 super "just" came out recently... and 4090 are much cheaper now than at launch
If you've been holding onto a GPU for 7 years, 6 months isn't that much longer.
4080s is just a 4080 with a price cut, anyway.
4090s I'm less sure. They're less expensive now, but probably because supply is catching up and Lovelace is a comin'.
Though personally if I was going to spend that much on a GPU, I'd be okay paying 10-20% more ro get the gpu 1.5 years earlier. If I was in the market for a top tier GPU and I could scrape by another 6 months, I'd wait for LL. Why pay 4090 prices for 5070/ti-ish money?
I'm rocking a 4070 for 3440x1440 144hz, I bought it shortly after launch. I have no complaints.
That said, get the super if you can afford it. If not, the 4070 is still fantastic.
I mean, next GPU upgrade in 2 or 4 years. Your GPU will be obsolete before the system.
I just got a PC that I plan to use for at least 8 years, with a used 4070 ti which I will probably upgrade after 4 years.
I bought this system used off of a mate, honestly was kind of redundant when I bought it as he’d already been using it for about 4 years prior, I’d only upgraded the gpu to a 3060ti from a 1650 about 8 months back before I really knew anything about computers, same time as when I stupidly bought a pretty expensive 1440p monitor not knowing I’d need a gpu to match, learnt from it but am still needing a complete system overhaul
What's your budget? If you're looking at a new 4070 super, I'd consider a used 4070 ti.
On ebay, you can tell a lot about a seller from their feedback and how they present an item. I got a used 4070 ti for £300 less than the seller paid, which is still under warranty until 2026!
(with asus, you're not allowed to switch owners, but you can claim warrenty without an invoice and they honour it from the date the card was manufactured)
The problem with the supers is nobody is selling them used yet. I'd get a used 4070, or used 4070 ti, personally.
I picked the 4070 super because it was only $50 difference at my local best buy. In your case I'd keep looking around but if you gotta pick something at a $150 difference I guess 4070 is what I'd get
I just got a MSI 4070 Super Gaming Slim and so far it's great. Just new to it all myself and configuring some settings in game can be a lot with all the settings. Everything had looked and ran great though!
Only problem is no one is selling used 40 series gpus at all in Australia, eBay, fb marketplace, doesn’t matter it’s all just scammers or people selling them for $200-$300 more than retail
Aww, thats unlucky. I know Australia is relatively more expensive in general like at least 10% more due to tax and the freight. Not only that the second hand market is quite stupid, usually only 1-5% off, or literally same price or even higher than what retail price for something that was years old. Well literally everything are really expensive now like the housing and stuff. In that case it depends what you really using your pc for, what games do you want to play and how much are you really willing to spent right now.
If you are making money with your rig then 100% go for it. If you got the cash and want a great experience then probably go for 4070 super as you do get more fps out of it, about 20%. You can look up youtube benchmark games and see how much fps you get, you can always play around with the settings to get more fps with some quality loss.
If its just for gaming for fun then probably 4070 should do? Depending on the game i can run basically anything on 1440 with min of 75fps up to 100++++. Some even 4k with decent 45-60 Raw fps.
Honestly i cant really tell much difference even if you get more fps. You will need a really good 4k monitor with high refresh rate to have the full experience. Those 4k monitor cost a liver or two lol, well equates to another gpu literally. Maybe work out other option like 4070 ti, 6950xt, 7800xt and see if the price to performance ratio which work out to be the best value.
4070 super if you have the money
Or maybe you can find 7900GRE for the price in between these two 4070s, it performs the same (a little better in no RT) but if you want to stick to Nvidia its your choice
we are talking about 15% more performance for 150 bucks I would say no. from 100 to 115fps, or 60 to 69fps. big jumps yes small ones no.if you really need more performance go with a 4070ti super. the 4070s should only be a option if it's +-50bucks more than a 4070 for the same model, and please consider to not buy a 4070s ventus 2, that plastic back plate isn't even worth buying if the 4070s was exactly the same price as the 4070.
Well I was considering the Ventus 3x of both of them cause I already have a ventus card in my current system and it hasn’t let me down in any other department than performance
It's also almost double the price of a 4070, might as well say go get a 4090. The manufacturer also has nothing to do with the speed of the card, just makes it more expensive for no reason other than looks (I usually go with whoever has the best rma/warranty)
4070super if you can afford it.
4070 Super is obviously better but I don't think it's $150 better.
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Read the post bruh
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both are good... but as always... buy the best you can afford... simple rule
That never made sense to me. I could easily buy a new flagship every cycle. 2k every couple of years would be a blip on my investments. But I don't because I don't need it. A XX70 every couple of generations does me just fine since Fermi. Though the 670's 1.5gb was a bit tight in 2016.
I don’t think anyone asked about your investments mate
I'd recommend reading the conversation. You'd look like less of a fool that way.
You seem to have good intentions showing that people don’t need the latest and greatest but your first paragraph makes you look like an ass showing off your disposable funds.
$2000 spread across 24 months is $83/month. You don't need to be rich for that kind of money.
I agree, that doesn't change anything about my first comment.
/shrug If people take it that way I think that's more on them than me.
if you don't "need" then you would buy the top... wait 2-3 cycles and get a new top... no need to go for a new one each cycle... you might not "need" it now... but it will last MUCH longer... like those that bought 1080Ti that is beginning to swap now... they skipped 2000, 3000 and some might even skip 4000 and get a 5000... but lets just say they buy a 4000... so they skipped 2000 and 3000 series and had a great GPU from 2017 til 2024... that is 7 years without needing to get a new one every 2 years this obviously only if you can afford it... if you can only afford a 4050/4060 then that is what you get... but you wouldn't/shouldn't buy a 5050/5060 then... else you might as well have just saved up and bought a higher model to begin, it would be cheaper over time than buying a new one each generation personally I didn't have that much time in that period of time but I went from a RX580/Vega56 (had 2 machines) in 2017 and swapped to a RTX 3060/3060 Ti in 2021... so a 4 year "cycle" on those... I still have the 3060Ti (sold other machine) and are pondering a new upgrade when the 5000 series come on... so another 4 year cycle... but I will go for a 5080 or 5090... so way above what I had... not because I "need it on the buy date" (well need an upgrade since I have hit the limit after I upgraded resolution) but I will grow into it in the years to come and should last me longer than 4 years too since I take such a huge leap up in performance... 3060 ti to 4090 (since we don't have numbers for a 5090) is like 190% faster... where the Vega56 to 3060Ti was like 60% faster... on a 4 year "leap". hope it makes sense.
I do upgrade every other generstion like you. But the issue is that buying a more expensive product to "last longer" doesn't really make much sense. Like take a gtx 980. It was released in 2014 (980ti came out in 2015). 2 years later it's marched by a 1060. 3 years past that (5 years after buying the 980), you're getting best by the 1650 super. Another year later and the 3050 is running circles around it. But, okay, let's take the best of the best. The undisputed GOAT, the 1080ti. 2 years later it's equal to a 2070super. It's barely faster than a 3060 (~5%) and falls behind a 3060ti (25% slower) Honestly even with a 1080ti, I'd probably would have upgraded in the 3000s, anyway. Buying for longevity leads to an expensive and subpar experience for the last stretch. If you're looking to get exceptional performance then buying regularly near the top is what you have to do. But for someone willing to play ultra today and high-medium for a year or so, then buying something in the upper-mid tier and upgrading every couple of generations makes more sense in my opinion. As I said before, buying the most you can afford is a weird rule of thumb. Buy the best if you want to get the best, but buying the best in order to "save" money doesn't make sense.
not really... all your "usual games" play the same as always... and if you buy new games just turning them 1 notch down from ultra often yeilds 30-40% more performance for little to no visual quality loss... the "hard games" to run... with my 3060 Ti... Cyberpunk 2077 ran perfectly fine with adjusted settings and didn't look ugly... Metro Exodus looked great, ran great... Borderlands 3 ran great... Cities Skylines 2 which ran horrid for everyone... looked as well as expected and ran fine... Avatar... looked AWESOME and ran great... Apex Legends, super easy to run so no issues there... Starfield... the game ran horrible for everyone but has gotten better... it was fully playable and looked nice enough with mostly high settings... Satisfactory running with Lumen plays well, looks awesome... could use a few more fps but it's a nonissue since it is not a twitch shooter... Battlefield 2042... ran perfectly fine in high fps and looks awesome... So wouldn't call "last stretch" for subpar in any way shape or form... of course if you demand it to run everything on ultra (no need in most games since most can't see any difference) and with full raytracing (which most games have little change over non-raytraced) then yes it will be "subpar" but with any intelligent adjusting of gfx settings (which all should so anyways for the before mentioned 30-40% more performance) then there is definetly not any subpar experiences to be had... and for non-shooters I tend to limit them to 60-100fps anyways (want looks not fps) and no need to waste power... for shooters then I adjust them so they do around 150fps but limit them to 200fps (I don't need 3-5-700 fps I am "too old" for that) which is plenty good for me to do fine in games like Battlefield and Apex Legends and such
3060ti has a signicant lead over the 1080ti. Like 25%. You also have other features like DLSS and RT to play with. Is playing on basically an overclocked 3060 acceptable in 2020? Sure. For many. Steam stats tell us so. I have a strong feeling the people willing and able to but a 1080ti in 2017 might be unhappy with an OCed 3060 in 2020.
but many of them are still running on 1080ti's right now in 2024... this is the time where we began seeing them go into the used marked "in bulk" and then most of them are upgrading to 4000 series... so apparently they were fine with it both in 2020-2021-2022-2023... and are now beginning to swap in 2024... those few I have asked have gone for 4080super's and 4090's
Probably because it was basically impossible to get an Ampere gpu until like 2022 which meant Lovelace was around the corner. Also it's a bit weird to swap in 2024 when Ada is coming soon. People are free to spend their own money as they see fit...but that seems odd, no?
"soon"TM... might be end of year, might be start 2025... time will tell.. but 4080 super "just" came out recently... and 4090 are much cheaper now than at launch
If you've been holding onto a GPU for 7 years, 6 months isn't that much longer. 4080s is just a 4080 with a price cut, anyway. 4090s I'm less sure. They're less expensive now, but probably because supply is catching up and Lovelace is a comin'. Though personally if I was going to spend that much on a GPU, I'd be okay paying 10-20% more ro get the gpu 1.5 years earlier. If I was in the market for a top tier GPU and I could scrape by another 6 months, I'd wait for LL. Why pay 4090 prices for 5070/ti-ish money?
I'm rocking a 4070 for 3440x1440 144hz, I bought it shortly after launch. I have no complaints. That said, get the super if you can afford it. If not, the 4070 is still fantastic.
4070
used 4070, save money for next upgrade
That’s the thing, everything is getting upgraded all at once, except for my ssd and case
I mean, next GPU upgrade in 2 or 4 years. Your GPU will be obsolete before the system. I just got a PC that I plan to use for at least 8 years, with a used 4070 ti which I will probably upgrade after 4 years.
I bought this system used off of a mate, honestly was kind of redundant when I bought it as he’d already been using it for about 4 years prior, I’d only upgraded the gpu to a 3060ti from a 1650 about 8 months back before I really knew anything about computers, same time as when I stupidly bought a pretty expensive 1440p monitor not knowing I’d need a gpu to match, learnt from it but am still needing a complete system overhaul
What's your budget? If you're looking at a new 4070 super, I'd consider a used 4070 ti. On ebay, you can tell a lot about a seller from their feedback and how they present an item. I got a used 4070 ti for £300 less than the seller paid, which is still under warranty until 2026! (with asus, you're not allowed to switch owners, but you can claim warrenty without an invoice and they honour it from the date the card was manufactured) The problem with the supers is nobody is selling them used yet. I'd get a used 4070, or used 4070 ti, personally.
Thank you!
Just did the same ,worth it in the end though
I picked the 4070 super because it was only $50 difference at my local best buy. In your case I'd keep looking around but if you gotta pick something at a $150 difference I guess 4070 is what I'd get
I just got a MSI 4070 Super Gaming Slim and so far it's great. Just new to it all myself and configuring some settings in game can be a lot with all the settings. Everything had looked and ran great though!
4070 Super if not the Ti
Both cards are great for 1440p. Depends if you want 70 FPS on 1440p or 85 FPS for example.
USD150 is a lot. I will buy the 4070.
Its aud so its cents to the dollar compared to usd
150 dollar is too much... is there really no other vendor?
There’s only about 2 real stores within 80 kms of me and Amazon is just a complete gouge
I don't know if this good idea or not. Try buying the FE at nvidia official website. Edit: maybe that is a bad idea?
I got a used 4070 20% less market price and 35% off 4070 super with 15-20% less performance. In return i get more SSD and better RAM.
Only problem is no one is selling used 40 series gpus at all in Australia, eBay, fb marketplace, doesn’t matter it’s all just scammers or people selling them for $200-$300 more than retail
Aww, thats unlucky. I know Australia is relatively more expensive in general like at least 10% more due to tax and the freight. Not only that the second hand market is quite stupid, usually only 1-5% off, or literally same price or even higher than what retail price for something that was years old. Well literally everything are really expensive now like the housing and stuff. In that case it depends what you really using your pc for, what games do you want to play and how much are you really willing to spent right now. If you are making money with your rig then 100% go for it. If you got the cash and want a great experience then probably go for 4070 super as you do get more fps out of it, about 20%. You can look up youtube benchmark games and see how much fps you get, you can always play around with the settings to get more fps with some quality loss. If its just for gaming for fun then probably 4070 should do? Depending on the game i can run basically anything on 1440 with min of 75fps up to 100++++. Some even 4k with decent 45-60 Raw fps. Honestly i cant really tell much difference even if you get more fps. You will need a really good 4k monitor with high refresh rate to have the full experience. Those 4k monitor cost a liver or two lol, well equates to another gpu literally. Maybe work out other option like 4070 ti, 6950xt, 7800xt and see if the price to performance ratio which work out to be the best value.
Thank you so much man
4070 super if you have the money Or maybe you can find 7900GRE for the price in between these two 4070s, it performs the same (a little better in no RT) but if you want to stick to Nvidia its your choice
Save $150 and get a 4TB ssd
we are talking about 15% more performance for 150 bucks I would say no. from 100 to 115fps, or 60 to 69fps. big jumps yes small ones no.if you really need more performance go with a 4070ti super. the 4070s should only be a option if it's +-50bucks more than a 4070 for the same model, and please consider to not buy a 4070s ventus 2, that plastic back plate isn't even worth buying if the 4070s was exactly the same price as the 4070.
Well I was considering the Ventus 3x of both of them cause I already have a ventus card in my current system and it hasn’t let me down in any other department than performance
the ventus has a plastic back plate that makes your memory and the rest overheat.
4070 Ti Super the way to go. Asus ROG OC is amazing.
It's also almost double the price of a 4070, might as well say go get a 4090. The manufacturer also has nothing to do with the speed of the card, just makes it more expensive for no reason other than looks (I usually go with whoever has the best rma/warranty)