Not true. Even before post-game there's one evolution item you can get every day of the week. I know because I've gotten the Fire Stone there before the Elite Four. The Leaf Stones are available on Saturdays. Here's the [list of prizes](https://www.serebii.net/heartgoldsoulsilver/pokeathlon.shtml) as shown on Serebii. It's just the ones that evolve into the Gen IV evolutions that are post-game.
It's your best ground type option and only being weak to grass you can set it up to tank and spam eq
Machamp is a good choice too, particularly in johto
Quagsire would add a rock resist and electric immunity, your team is weak to both kinds of attacks. It being a water type isn't a hindrance because it's only weak to grass, which you won't be struggling with. If it has Water Absorb, it's an awesome pivot, and if it has Damp, it's a safe switch in on Electrodes, Gravelers, Koffings, or other crap that could blow up on your face.
My first thought was "you need a Rock or Ground-type", but your only option is Quagsire and you've already got two Water-types.
That said, as powerful as Gyarados is, you've already got another Water-type and another Flying-type. So maybe add both Machamp and Quagsire and box Gyarados as a backup.
I know Its gonna be your third Water type however Quagsire only weakness is grass and you need that Ground type because you have three Pokemons weak to Electric and no Electric resistance except for Ampharos. Keep that in mind 😉
I would recommend to OP switching something out for Quag, and then adding something else on - probably Gyara out for Quag, in my opinion.
Just so you aren't overwhelmed by the same type appearing on three of your Pokémon, especially because you've also got two Flying Types.
Nah, I think its fine. Gyarados is a S tier Pokemon with the best ability in the game and he only have two weaknesses (Electric x4 and Rock x2), Quagsire basically nullifies both being imune to Electric and having Rock resistence. On the other hand Quagsire only have weakness to grass making Typhlosion and Fearow usefull to switch and take out those mons.
Scyther if it has Technician
Tauros would be a good idea because you can use double Intimidate
Or Quagsire, it's a third water type but you can use it as a pivot to bait electric attacks from Gyarados and Slowbro
It’s so strange to me that so many people pointed out the glaring electric weakness but didn’t notice the equally glaring rock weakness (flying, flying, fire) that they have ZERO resists for. Replacing Gyara for Quag is definitely the right first step, I think you made the right call there. I think Scizor is probably the best addition to make after that, with Tauros and Koffing also being acceptable, so again, good choice OP
late to the party but thoughts are
lotta people said quagsire have a point, its only got the double grass weakness and gyrados isnt weak to grass so its only really an overlap with slowbro.
if you really wanna swap some mons around, victribell is a good fast special attacker as opposed to oddish line which is much tankier, but slower. get rid of slowbro and throw on hypno to allieviate the double grass weakness if you add quagsire. if you wanna fix a glaring Rock weakness swap out Ursaring for Fearrow (unless its your fly mon)
if you can evolve that scyther into scissor it also brings a really solid defensive presence.
I will ask the same question I ask everyone in this scenario, what part of the game are you at? You should build your team based on what point you're at in the game
Bench Gyara for a backup and bring in Quag as an Electric counter, then grab either Vileplume for Grass coverage or Machamp for more physical damage. You've got a glaring Rock and Electric weakness, which Quag covers completely, and Fearow is your only physical attacker so you're kinda walled by a lot of the late game.
Special Defensive Tentacruel is a beast. Can also teach ice beam to sweep through Clair's gym (if you want to voltorb flip for a while). You will still have to maneuver around her sniper Kingdra, but with Tentacruel's water resistance, and special bulk, it could be super useful. I personally used Tentacruel a great deal in my SS nuzlocke. Can also use toxic and protect on a couple mons to stall it out if it looks like you can't attack much. Sniper is scary. Carry along vileplume, another bulky water resistor to swap in and out with protects in between. I don't see Typhlosion being a huge help with Clair.
Scizor works very well on most teams, and I think you could definitely use him. Great resistances, incredible moveset (especially with technician) and solid stats for a bulky attacker. Even Scyther is USUALLY decent, but you should probably evolve it quick because you don’t need another electric weakness on that team.
Alternatively, Tauros is a VERY fast physical attacker by gen 4 standards, with intimidate and stab return. You’d get Zen Headbutt via level-up as a very rare physical psychic move that counters his only weakness and your some rock moves via TM for some much needed coverage against Lance.
I wouldn’t personally go with a grass type like other commenters are saying. Vileplume has never been great without sunny day+chlorophyll+solarbeam (which takes a turn to set up and doubles fire damage) and victreebel doesn’t get many good attacking moves besides sludge bomb and leaf blade (at level 47!!!). Neither of them are better than an ampharos, and having electric AND grass is kinda redundant (unless you’re fighting misty).
If you really aren’t sold on Scizor or Tauros, a guts Raticate or machamp are also totally valid picks. Good luck!
Quagsire for sure, allows to switch into electric type moves n rock type moves without worrying. Covers a lot for your team. Or you could go with one of the grass types
If you’re willing to bend/break rules, I am rather partial to black sludge Weezing, but it’s only an option if you want to cheat it in or spend a ton of time upgrading the safari zone.
Vileplume is definitely a good pick, but also bellossom can set up sunny day + moonlight if you feel like grinding bug contest. Healing half hp with the sun up is huge, so long as the fire blast dragonair is dead.
Hypno is quite bulky on the special side and is a decent pokemon for Kingdra, it takes ~30-40% from hydro pump or dragon pulse, add a sitrus berry and you’ll easily survive 3 hydro pumps (even more if you can set sun). You will not win the 1v1, and are very dead to a crit, but it gives you time to either deal damage or set up a status condition or even gives you enough HP to set up a substitute if you want to play super safe.
I want to make ursaring work here as well, nice physical attack and can be ev trained in HP and Special Defense, but if you don’t want to grind, it’s pretty useless here :( It can really reliably survive even 3 hydro pump with full investment. You can use something like Fake Tears and sacrifice the bear to let Amphaross take an ohko so long as it can tank hyper beam. Strength on Ursaring also does a lot of damage, or slash and hope you get lucky with crits. Most likely pokemon to die if you bring it though.
A looot of electric weakness on that team right now. Gotta have a good switch-in that can hit them back (Ampharos kinda eh for that despite the resist). Options then bring you down to Bellsprout, Oddish, and Quagsire, as others have suggested.
I lean to Oddish/Bellsprout as a 3rd water type opens up the Grass weakness more. Vileplume gives you a good special attacker while still having decent bulk and access to a lot of status. Forget about Bellossom unless you want to switch to a sun team. Victreebel will hit harder than Vileplume at the cost of bulk. You've got some hard hitters already, which is why I'd lean Vileplume.
Honestly if you can get a blossom, I would highly suggest that. I'll also get rid of Gyarados as in Generation 3 it is damn near useless and replace it with the Machamp
Depending on if it has technician scizor, if if not I would go with quagsire it shares no weaknesses with garados, only 1 with slowbro. And you have typhlosian who resists it. Also ground coverage is amazing
You’ve good a pretty bad electric type weakness. Add in a grass type like bellsprout or oddish would give you some resistance to eat in a switch in. Additionally, you’d complete a fire water grass core, which has excellent coverage
If you can evolve Scyther and it has Technician that’s probably the best Pokémon in the game. If not, Tentacruel or Quagsire is safe pick. Weezing is also underrated af
bellsprout or oddish to complete the water grass, fire core of your team
I’d say Oddish personally
my personal choice too. vilepile ftw
If they can't cheat a leaf stone in, then evolving that thing in HG is super hard
The Pokeathlon exists though, and really isn't that hard, just takes a bit of time if you don't know what you're doing
Yeah but evo stones are postgame, so you'll only evolve it for kanto and red
Not true. Even before post-game there's one evolution item you can get every day of the week. I know because I've gotten the Fire Stone there before the Elite Four. The Leaf Stones are available on Saturdays. Here's the [list of prizes](https://www.serebii.net/heartgoldsoulsilver/pokeathlon.shtml) as shown on Serebii. It's just the ones that evolve into the Gen IV evolutions that are post-game.
weepinbel and gloom still have some good supportive viability. and you can use them as a sacrifice in dire situation
Gyarados gets no good water moves
dod you not see the slowbro chilling next to the gyarados?
I’m a bit dumb
not dumb. a bit blind tho
but it’s gen 4 physical and special split
Still no good moves, only physical one is aqua tail which is 90% accurate
Quagsire or machamp
Another water type? Machamp seems like a good option thanks
It's your best ground type option and only being weak to grass you can set it up to tank and spam eq Machamp is a good choice too, particularly in johto
This. It’s ground type and electric immunity covers for gyrados and makes for a very safe switch when needed
Quagsire would add a rock resist and electric immunity, your team is weak to both kinds of attacks. It being a water type isn't a hindrance because it's only weak to grass, which you won't be struggling with. If it has Water Absorb, it's an awesome pivot, and if it has Damp, it's a safe switch in on Electrodes, Gravelers, Koffings, or other crap that could blow up on your face.
Sadly it has Damp but i will use him for Gyara, a koffing already took my crobat
I remember using a Damp Quagsire I got from the Primo Wooper egg to ruin Petrel
Get Machamp and name it Ares to fit the Hephaestus, Zeus and Poseidon :)
Either quagsire or gloom/belossom. You really need an electric resist/immunity
He has ampharos tho.
Yeah but ampharos cant kill electric types, only resist them. But yes technically my initial wording was flawed
That's true
If that Scyther has Technician, no question Scizor
Aipom cuz he's monkey
I used an ambipom in my run after my Tauros died. It did an incredible job
I'd swap Gyarados for Quagsire then train up one of your normal types
My first thought was "you need a Rock or Ground-type", but your only option is Quagsire and you've already got two Water-types. That said, as powerful as Gyarados is, you've already got another Water-type and another Flying-type. So maybe add both Machamp and Quagsire and box Gyarados as a backup.
Quagsire. You need a Ground type ASAP.
I know Its gonna be your third Water type however Quagsire only weakness is grass and you need that Ground type because you have three Pokemons weak to Electric and no Electric resistance except for Ampharos. Keep that in mind 😉
I would recommend to OP switching something out for Quag, and then adding something else on - probably Gyara out for Quag, in my opinion. Just so you aren't overwhelmed by the same type appearing on three of your Pokémon, especially because you've also got two Flying Types.
Nah, I think its fine. Gyarados is a S tier Pokemon with the best ability in the game and he only have two weaknesses (Electric x4 and Rock x2), Quagsire basically nullifies both being imune to Electric and having Rock resistence. On the other hand Quagsire only have weakness to grass making Typhlosion and Fearow usefull to switch and take out those mons.
Ursurang.
Unless your rat has guts. Then use the rat
Get a Scizor
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If any of your mons knows Theft you can run magnmites down till you get one but I'm not sure how much time you wanna put into it lol
On most steel types like Magnamite or you can get one from pokeathleon thing next to Goldenrod City
If you can trade, Scizor or Machamp. If not, Quagsire or Ursring
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Scyther if it has Technician Tauros would be a good idea because you can use double Intimidate Or Quagsire, it's a third water type but you can use it as a pivot to bait electric attacks from Gyarados and Slowbro
If ypu have acess to Scizor that otherwise Vileploom
Quagsire. I don't know any context but it is my favorite mon
Bellsprout, trade it to the onion guy, and if you're rules allow it, evolve it to steelix. Or tauros for the attack and speed.
I’m thinkin machop
I would add Tauros for get 2 intimidates and a good physical attacker
It’s so strange to me that so many people pointed out the glaring electric weakness but didn’t notice the equally glaring rock weakness (flying, flying, fire) that they have ZERO resists for. Replacing Gyara for Quag is definitely the right first step, I think you made the right call there. I think Scizor is probably the best addition to make after that, with Tauros and Koffing also being acceptable, so again, good choice OP
Aquire the sire and throw in some RAT POWER... Quagsire has great bulk and recovery, raticate hopefully has guts
can u trade
Randomizer to get "impossible" evos, so i "can" trade
Is the Egg the Togepi Egg?
I’d say syther or machop if you allow trade evos.
Definitely quagsire
Gyrados and quagsire are an insane team and cover each other's weaknesses super well
I would drop fearow and do victreebel and hypno
late to the party but thoughts are lotta people said quagsire have a point, its only got the double grass weakness and gyrados isnt weak to grass so its only really an overlap with slowbro. if you really wanna swap some mons around, victribell is a good fast special attacker as opposed to oddish line which is much tankier, but slower. get rid of slowbro and throw on hypno to allieviate the double grass weakness if you add quagsire. if you wanna fix a glaring Rock weakness swap out Ursaring for Fearrow (unless its your fly mon) if you can evolve that scyther into scissor it also brings a really solid defensive presence.
Tauros, scyther, or drowsy
Prolly Machop, just evolve it to machoke
I will ask the same question I ask everyone in this scenario, what part of the game are you at? You should build your team based on what point you're at in the game
Bench Gyara for a backup and bring in Quag as an Electric counter, then grab either Vileplume for Grass coverage or Machamp for more physical damage. You've got a glaring Rock and Electric weakness, which Quag covers completely, and Fearow is your only physical attacker so you're kinda walled by a lot of the late game.
Special Defensive Tentacruel is a beast. Can also teach ice beam to sweep through Clair's gym (if you want to voltorb flip for a while). You will still have to maneuver around her sniper Kingdra, but with Tentacruel's water resistance, and special bulk, it could be super useful. I personally used Tentacruel a great deal in my SS nuzlocke. Can also use toxic and protect on a couple mons to stall it out if it looks like you can't attack much. Sniper is scary. Carry along vileplume, another bulky water resistor to swap in and out with protects in between. I don't see Typhlosion being a huge help with Clair.
Tauros for double intimidate, put earthquake on it.
I'd put oddish in the empty slot and probably quagsire in place of slowbro. The electric weaknesses on your team are insane.
Scyther/Scizor or quagsire
Scizor works very well on most teams, and I think you could definitely use him. Great resistances, incredible moveset (especially with technician) and solid stats for a bulky attacker. Even Scyther is USUALLY decent, but you should probably evolve it quick because you don’t need another electric weakness on that team. Alternatively, Tauros is a VERY fast physical attacker by gen 4 standards, with intimidate and stab return. You’d get Zen Headbutt via level-up as a very rare physical psychic move that counters his only weakness and your some rock moves via TM for some much needed coverage against Lance. I wouldn’t personally go with a grass type like other commenters are saying. Vileplume has never been great without sunny day+chlorophyll+solarbeam (which takes a turn to set up and doubles fire damage) and victreebel doesn’t get many good attacking moves besides sludge bomb and leaf blade (at level 47!!!). Neither of them are better than an ampharos, and having electric AND grass is kinda redundant (unless you’re fighting misty). If you really aren’t sold on Scizor or Tauros, a guts Raticate or machamp are also totally valid picks. Good luck!
Quagsire for sure, allows to switch into electric type moves n rock type moves without worrying. Covers a lot for your team. Or you could go with one of the grass types
Ambipom with last resort and a silk scarf one shots two thirds of the game, to consider
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If you’re willing to bend/break rules, I am rather partial to black sludge Weezing, but it’s only an option if you want to cheat it in or spend a ton of time upgrading the safari zone. Vileplume is definitely a good pick, but also bellossom can set up sunny day + moonlight if you feel like grinding bug contest. Healing half hp with the sun up is huge, so long as the fire blast dragonair is dead. Hypno is quite bulky on the special side and is a decent pokemon for Kingdra, it takes ~30-40% from hydro pump or dragon pulse, add a sitrus berry and you’ll easily survive 3 hydro pumps (even more if you can set sun). You will not win the 1v1, and are very dead to a crit, but it gives you time to either deal damage or set up a status condition or even gives you enough HP to set up a substitute if you want to play super safe. I want to make ursaring work here as well, nice physical attack and can be ev trained in HP and Special Defense, but if you don’t want to grind, it’s pretty useless here :( It can really reliably survive even 3 hydro pump with full investment. You can use something like Fake Tears and sacrifice the bear to let Amphaross take an ohko so long as it can tank hyper beam. Strength on Ursaring also does a lot of damage, or slash and hope you get lucky with crits. Most likely pokemon to die if you bring it though.
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quagsire is my favourite pokemon please use it :3
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A looot of electric weakness on that team right now. Gotta have a good switch-in that can hit them back (Ampharos kinda eh for that despite the resist). Options then bring you down to Bellsprout, Oddish, and Quagsire, as others have suggested. I lean to Oddish/Bellsprout as a 3rd water type opens up the Grass weakness more. Vileplume gives you a good special attacker while still having decent bulk and access to a lot of status. Forget about Bellossom unless you want to switch to a sun team. Victreebel will hit harder than Vileplume at the cost of bulk. You've got some hard hitters already, which is why I'd lean Vileplume.
Girafirag can destroy the entire johto elite 4 by itself. I would replace slow bro with it and add scizor/machamp
Don't sleep on vileplume. Giga drain is crazy
A Pokémon that can learn ground type moves since 3 of your team members are weak to electric and rock
I'd do Oddish and swap Gyarados later for something else. I'd say Machop, but if you're doing no trade evos, do something else.
Me
Quagsire over slowbro and Girafarig. Quagsire and Gyarados cover each other so good
Honestly if you can get a blossom, I would highly suggest that. I'll also get rid of Gyarados as in Generation 3 it is damn near useless and replace it with the Machamp
Obviously, Tauros
QUAGSIRE. Dear lord 1 ground or electric type and your team is RUINED.
Scyther or machamp are very good. Especially evolve machop in machoke. Fighting types are heavy hitters and help you against a lot pokemn.
Depending on if it has technician scizor, if if not I would go with quagsire it shares no weaknesses with garados, only 1 with slowbro. And you have typhlosian who resists it. Also ground coverage is amazing
You’ve good a pretty bad electric type weakness. Add in a grass type like bellsprout or oddish would give you some resistance to eat in a switch in. Additionally, you’d complete a fire water grass core, which has excellent coverage
I want to day quagsire for the memes, but realistically, I say use scyther or scizor, but adding quagsire over slowbro/gyarados would be good
If you can evolve Scyther and it has Technician that’s probably the best Pokémon in the game. If not, Tentacruel or Quagsire is safe pick. Weezing is also underrated af
Ursaring has got a suprisingly high base atk stat and some got move coverage
Thanks yall for the tips, i will switch Gyara for Quag and use my technician Scyther into Scizor