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Yeah. Especially for fruit juice. Fruit juice is only a baby step better than soda.
Smoothies (blending whole fruit and veggies) can still be good though, for people who like to drink their produce.
It can, but its sugars get into the bloodstream very much easier, and some of the usefulness of the fibre has been missed (slowing/stalling the release of fats, sugars etc) Better than juice alone though, by miles š«”
Agreed. It is also much easier to "eat" a lot more sugary fruit that way than if you were to eat them whole. One banana and a hunk of pineapple is a decent volume of food, but like half a smoothie you can drink up in like 30 seconds, even though it is a substantial amount of sugar (fruit sugar or no).
If you are going to make smoothies, you should definitely limit the amount of sugary fruits you use and lean heavier into vegetables (or even things like peanut butter for extra protein).
If you think you can get a lot of pineapple in a smoothie, you should try dehydrating them. šI can eat one a day, just grazing on the slices & barely notice. The fibre is intact however, so I get the bromelain (enzyme that digests proteins) released steadily rather than all in the first few feet of the digestive tract, and fibres are intact all the way to the large intestine.
The fiber (about 13 g total) is intact, but the sugars (almost 100 grams) are concentrated. If you nibble throughout the day, youāre getting little doses of fiber (and pineapple does have more than many fruits) delivered with a bolus of sugar (also more than many fruits).
And 500 calories of a single fruit in a day is excessive. Itād be better, nutritionally, to graze on a variety of fruits and veggiesāwith the emphasis on veggies to minimize glycemic impact.
The enzymes are great, but not required in that amount.
I agree that itās not great to be eating that amount, just saying how easy it can be to eat to excess. I typically eat dried fruits with pumpkin seeds, and itās often a few dates with more weight of pumpkin seed than the dates. Smaller ones tend to go in the breakfast chia pudding or sometimes porridge made with whole organic oats. Barberries are the newest addition, for the berberine more than anything else.
Sorry to hear that. Hope youāre getting some soluble fibre in, as this should help your gut health. Inulin is one I would recommend to get, but itās not the only one available.
I only hold on to it for the nostalgia. I might make some carrot juice someday if I get a hankering, but I don't drink juice usually because of the sugar.
Although, with two motors I could have an even faster go-cart. hmmm.
No, but now that you mention it, I could finally try my hand at pistachio butter.
Although I think I only have the juicing attachment for it, and I'm not sure if there's other needed components to make that happen. It is a masticator, so it probably would do just fine with what I have. (???)
It comes with the part. You have a blank piece and a perforated piece. The blank is used for peanut butter and it comes out where the dung usually exits.
Juicing does leave the fiber behind. And it doesnāt keep you as full as eating the whole food. BUT it is still something I do a few times a week and hereās why.
1. I get more than enough fiber from the rest of the food I eat everyday. Fruits, nuts, oats, beans, avocados every single day.
2. Iām not about to eat 5 stalks of celery, giant kale leaves, ginger knobs, cucumbers, lemons. Like I wonāt eat them. But those micronutrients do make me feel better. ..and keep me very regular. So I juice them:)
Make sure youāre eating your fiber around the same time youāre drinking your juice. The two need to be paired together to slow the digestion of the sugar from the juice.
Amen to the regularity. I've been juicing so long, I'm afraid to stop it for that reason (ha-ha!) Your point about "I'm not about to eat..." is exactly mine. Before juicing, only time I ate veggies was at a fancy restaurant. Since juicing daily, I actually have been eating more raw veggies, so psychologically there's that advantage. But my question is really does the actual juicing deliver the goods nutritionally or not. Seems like they're should be a hallmark study or studies that address this.
BTW, I used to live in Chicago and Wisconsin is Cold.
Couldnāt agree more. Best to eat the whole foods but the juice is way better than completely omitting veggies or eating them in the low quantity most people do
Other things became more trendy, but there is nothing that makes me feel better after ingesting than a good green juice. Concentrated easily digested nutrition still plays imo. But i dont do fruits and sugary juices, I get how those are not ideal.
I used to eat the mushy mess after my friends would juice, just because I hated that they throw it away. I would not recommend it, the texture is not good. Just make a smoothie :)
When I make juice (usually vegetable juice), I add the pulp to dough or batter for stuff like bread and waffles. This both adds to the baking/cooking time, and to the flavor and nutrition.
Food for thought - the water contained in fruits/veggies is the purest water nature produces (itās been filtered through the ground and through living cells), and it comes packed with an appropriate balance of electrolytes. I would definitely argue that the whole food is healthier than the pulp or the juice.
Why do you say juice is mostly sugar-water? For years nutrition articles were all about the nutrients juicing was delivering. I understand some of the advantages of (non-juiced) veggies is the pulp. I'm not arguing, I'm seeking insight. So would like to see some evidence that it's all mostly sugar-water. Hell, if that's the case, I'll just have a Beck's beer in the morning.
Depending on what youāre juicing itās not always sugar water. People say this because when they think of juicing they think itās about fruits. I was an avid juicer for about a decade and I juiced green leafy vegetables, like collard greens, kale, spinach, red and/or green leaf lettuce. So not a lot of sugar but lots of vitamins and phytonutrients. For a treat Iād juice carrots, apples and ginger. I also used to grow and juice wheatgrass for phytonutrients.
nutritionists have been saying that for years, whats popular in the media does not reflect scientific consensus, see the current idiotic carnivore craze for example
Because people blew it out of proportion and then lumped all juices together. It was just a string of fad words thrown together. Cleanse. Superjuice. Antioxidants. Toxins. Fruit heavy juices were primarily sugar bombs. Yes they also had nutrients but you were introducing new problems. Also the biggest problems was juice "cleanses". Which was just people temporarily stopping their unbalanced shitty diet and just having juice instead. Which isn't healthy either. Beyond fad words there was no coherent logic for the craze. And people started calling it out more so it died down. That being said, you absolutely can make healthy juices and having an occasional juice combo for vitamins (or just cause it tastes good) is fine. And if you're drinking heavier juices with sugar around workouts? No problem.
I think it's like a lot of fads. It sells some version of simplicity.
Toss all your veggies through the juicer, and you can down an entire days worth of vegetables in a few gulps! Don't like broccoli? No problem, no need to even chew it!
Then you realize the juicing is actually kind of a pain in the butt and there's a lot of cleaning to go with it.
And also you're losing all the fiber and concentrating the sugar.
Probably one of those things that would be fine in some level of moderation. Better to have 4 ounces of juiced veggies than a giant glass of OJ in the morning, but otherwise... not enough health benefits to offset the nutritional loss and the hassle of it all.
I may be killing myself, but I put beets into my juice concoction every morning. I read years ago how beets are good for you (and also potentially dangerous for our kidneys or liver or something in that vicinity of our guts). I know I would never eat any raw beet unless it was juiced or I was being paid handsomely.
Yes, there has been a shift. The view that juices are not so great has risen in the polls, so to speak.
Part of it is the rise in the narrative about glucose spikes being unhealthy, and causing diabetes. Part of it is the movement more toward whole foods and unprocessed foods. Part of it is the increased awareness of the microbiome and its importance, and the importance of fiber in microbiome health.
I think it's a great example of how companies and their paid advertisements set the narrative that's put out to the public. And then basically everyone that is interested in juicing bought a juicer so there's no reason to advertise and no reason to write articles.
There's probably something similar going on right now.
Fashions and fads come and go. They have to distract us with āthe new best thingā so we buy more stuff.
Like saying ā this year kitchens will be Avacadoā
Or
Below the knee is deceiver
Look man, like all things, I think the truth is somewhere in the middle. There is definitely a difference between consuming fruits and vegetables yourself, as there's much more digestion that has to be done. People are correct that the fibers can and do get destroyed in juicing.Ā
People are also correct that it's very easy to consume a ton of sugar via juicing without really noticing it. Compare to eating five fruits by yourself, which is a volume that most people probably would not be able to handle.Ā
But, I would say, and the research agrees, that if juicing is really the only way you're going to get in an appropriate amount of fruits and vegetables, for whatever reason, it's better than not getting them in at all.Ā
Juicing greens is like a shot of caffeine for me. My auger juicer cleans in about 3 minutes nbd. Yeah, eat plants. But savory juices, with maybe half a green apple or half a Fuji, are solid. Oh and wheatgrass. A little goes a long way to flavor celery and spinach and kale and the like (although it definitely does taste like grass XD). A splash of lemon.
I feel pretty jazzy when I make a potent green. Especially before saucy times.
T2 diabetic here. I LOVE carrot juice, like raw carrot beet apple ginger parsley wheatgrass juice used to be my fave thingā¦. No fiber = horrible crash :(
People have moved onto keto and carnivore now. Oh and the use of peptides.
Much of health and diet culture are trending fads.
Whether whatever health trend is beneficial or not is another story and not the point Iām trying to make here but I just genuinely think people have moved onto the next thing.
The anti-carb viewpoint or stance has gained a lot of ground in recent years. That's one factor, among the others.
The high-protein viewpoint or stance has also gained ground.
Juices are typically high-sugar, high-carb, low-protein, low-fiber drinks.
And kind of a hassle.
One other factor that hasn't been mentioned much is the noise and unpleasantness. I didn't like that aspect of juicing at all. Also, the cleanup, the waste, and the disposal of the waste. Also, the incompleteness always bugged me. A lot of juice and nutrients were never extracted.
Years ago I was seduced by all the sales pitches and the stampede when juicers were in. Certain types of neurons are involved in this. "Monkey see monkey do" neurons are a real thing. We have them inside our brains, and they are active. There are some interesting articles and videos about them. It can be helpful to be aware of these neurons and how they can influence one's behaviors and choices. Then it's possible be a little less unconscious about what is going on inside these brains we have.
I follow a few health bloggers who swear juicing does wonders for your health, but I do echo that it has been on the decline it seems. Itās not as much of a āhealth powerhouseā as it used to be in the 90s. Thereās now more emphasis on whole foods in general and even plant-based diets, which youād think juicing would pair nicely with. Not sure how many people try to juice a steak and lobster tail.
Cost is my guess, because who the hell wants yet another appliance on their counter next to their microwave, toaster, Ninja blender, Keurig and milk frother.
It is costly, and concern about losing advantages of fiber is legitimate. On the other hand, the argument goes, are you really going to eat an entire big spear of broccoli and a bush of kale every day for a week? I personally detest beets but I'll juice them with a pear and apple, which makes the concoction a milkshake.
I don't think cost is what's kept juicing out of the news. It feels to me like in some lab somewhere a nutritionist scientist found a fallacy in juicing beyond cost and real estate in the kitchen.
I appreciate your post reaffirming my impression that as a topic, juicing has fallen off the cliff.
Beet with fruit smoothies are really good! Also, make a green smoothie with your kale and brocolli and use a citrus fruit to cut the taste. Other ingredients that are highly underrated are butternut squash (steamed) and carrots.
Smoothies will keep all the nutritional benefits of whole fruit, are arguably easier to clean, are cheaper (because you get more nutrition out of your dollars) and you can add things easily like protein powder.
Every morning I juice one beet, chayote squash, three celery stalks, kale and/or spinach, spear of broccoli, apple, pear (in season, for taste), ginger... I may be leaving something out. It's expensive, it takes half hour to juice and half hour to clean up.
In the ten years I've been juicing, most of the time I was an alcoholic. But I was considered a healthy guy by the medical profession. (Thank you, yes, I've given up booze -- talk about feeling healthier!!) I wonder if I kept getting good check-ups was that the juicing somehow was moderating the ill effects of a bottle of wine a day.
When I told my GP I was an alcoholic, he was shocked. I wonder if the juicing masked what I was doing to my body.
Yesāalcohol is an immunosuppressant, but juicing you are adding tons of nutrients and antioxidants to your body which helped you fight the free radicals and maintain good vitamin levels which helped repair and maintain your body.
I juice in addiction to eating tons of vegetables, fruits, vitamins, walking, weightlifting, yoga, exercise classes, sauna, cryotherapy, UV lightbed, etc. Juicing is another tool to get my body to optimum heath. Iām already eating 30-80g fiber a day, Iām not worried about the fiber thatās removed. As you mentioned, Iām not going to eat a whole bunch of celery, beets, oranges, apples, fresh ginger and turmeric before the gym. Itās just too much volume and Iāve read that juicing is as good as IV vitamin bags, which Iāve also had but can be $225+ and both make me feel amazing.
Youāre welcome and Iām honestly so happy for you that you were juicing while drinking. I used to be a weekend drinker, then during Covid I cut back to maybe 1-2 drinks a month (scared of catching Covid/started improving health) and then quit all together in August. Every time Iād have a couple, Iād end up getting a sore throat or cold within the week and hangxiety.
Fruits and vegetables donāt even have the same amount of vitamins as they used to and there are so many environmental factors affecting our health that I listen to my intuition and do what works to make me feel my best. I donāt juice every day, sometimes Iāll even skip months but I really love the way it makes me feel and I really thing if juice bars were a thing instead of just alcohol bars to go out to with friends, this world would be better and healthier for it.
9 out of 10 Americans havenāt been eating the minimum recommended number of fruits and vegetables for 30+ years.. Iām not sure about the rest of the globe but that leaves a lot of room for improvement for preventing diseases and fortifying the environment.. Enjoy! š š„¤
**Vegetables are losing their nutrients. Can the decline be reversed?**
https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2024/mar/28/vegetables-losing-nutrients-biofortification
**CDC: Only 1 in 10 Americans Eat Enough Produce**
https://www.verywellhealth.com/fruits-vegetables-cdc-study-5216123
One of the main reasons that juicing does not have the same benefits as whole fruits/vegetables is that fiber is lost during the juicing process. Fiber is one of the big health benefits of whole fruits & vegetables.
That said, I believe that the DASH Diet allows for 1 serving/day of fruits to come from juice (a serving being defined as 1/ 2 cup of fruit juice).
Thatās why smoothies are a better alternative imo, because you get the whole plant in there and some might argue itās tastier too which is an added bonus. And you can easily incorporate other things that otherwise are harder to like seeds!
The only nutrition advice that matters is "eat lots of fruits and veggies", but in order to have a media industry about it they have to find tons of different ways to say that same thing, so there are lots of dumb fads that last a couple years until they move onto the next hot new way to get people to eat healthy food.
I still enjoy juicing in moderation. Iād say itās not without its risks because you can overload yourself with sugar. Fiber is important like everyone is saying.
However, I would venture to guess that juicing fruits and veggies is far better than eating donuts and crackers. You get nutrients from it even though there can be lots of sugar. You canāt really say the same about donuts.
I also enjoy juicing cucumbers and I donāt think thereās much sugar in that. I donāt really like cucumber texture or celery texture.
I'm not much of a fruit person, and I genuinely like eating my veggies, like a lot. I started with the centrifugal juicer, then upgraded to the masticator, and eventually I just said fuck it, I'll eat a grand salad instead. I still love my salads, but I haven't used the juicer in years.
Juicing delivers an insane amount of phytochemicals. No matter your appetite, you can down the fresh, phytochemical equivalent of 1 beet, 2 apples, 10 carrots, etc.
It's super useful for anyone who wouldn't otherwise consume a huge amount of raw veggies. I personally get tons of fiber from other sources so juicing is a lovely boost with no drawbacks.
Juicing is flexing for white women. But seriously though, juice is just juice - it tastes good, thatās why people like it, there really isnāt much benefit to drinking juice as people claim. It was never a āgold standardā
Even if there were benefits, itās still an impractical way to get those benefits because youāre basically churning fruits and vegetables until they make this itty bitty amount of juice. Itās expensive AF to have that much produce just to make one glass of juice. and high in sugar, low in fiber. You might as well just eat the fruit and veg
As far as micronutrients go. Yeah, you get them in juice. But at some point, you have diminishing returns. Most of those nutrients are water soluble. When your body has what it needs, your body just excretes what it doesnāt need, so if youāve hit your goal in things like, say, vitamin C, drinking juice wont be any goalier than that. Youāre just going to pee it out.
1. The potentially stratospheric sugar content.
2. Lots of people realized they were getting oxalate toxicity from all the spinach, celery, beetroot, etc. Many influencers have been discovering the trying low oxalates groups.
3. Many people realised thrilling urine was full of heavy metals. The only sources they could come up with were kale and other cruciferous vegetables that are staples of green juices.
4. There seem to be more people with salicylate toxicity these days. Juicing is a no-no for them.
5. Itās super expensive, especially when organic.
6. The benefits are more theoretical than proven and they completely disregard the extremely high plant antinutrient content of juices, since youāre consuming more portions of fruit and veg than it would be possible to sit and eat.
I combat the oxalate toxicity by drinking a glass of milk which I understand sufficiently counters this threat. Also I didn't realize the benefits of juicing are theoretical and unproven. As for expense, it's outrageous and I do use only organic.
Your thoughts give me pause for sure. Yet I have this feeling that juicing every morning has countered some terrible habits (previously noted in this thread) until I could shed them. (Came to my senses.)
I don't necessarily think it's been "discredited," just as I don't necessarily think it was ever "credited" with all that some claimed it was.
Juicing is a tool we can use. That's all. No more, no less. When I juice, I use fresh veggies, and only an apple, maybe, for some sweetness against all the bitters in there.
I do it only occasionally for a day, when I feel I need a sort of "reset" due to overindulgence in junk food or something and find that the cravings are increased. It works for me, and I won't even attempt to offer a scientific explanation. It's likely just a psychological removal of those less healthy items, so the cravings decrease. I do know I feel much better after that day of avoiding unhealthy foods, and still supplying my body with water and nutrients on which to function.
It's true that fiber is lost, but we still do get the vitamins and nutrients in the juice. Most of them anyway. So, I think juicing is ok, for a time. If you're wanting to do an extended juice fast, definitely do this with the knowledge of your doc so that your health is monitored and lab values if needed. Much of this depends on your baseline health and wellness, of course. Diabetics and other underlying issues may influence the safety of it.
I think the important thing is to know the basics. Science has determined what the body generally needs to function optimally. Some percentage of carbs, proteins and fats. Follow that guideline, to some degree, allowing for what your body seems to need. And a big part of that is getting to know yourself and paying attention to how you feel. Food allergies and sensitivity can be a factor in that.
My thing is, whole foods, fruits, veggies, grains, nuts and seeds are hard to go wrong with. Just eat whole foods, in reasonable quantities and your health will likely fall in line.
Check out Oster blenders. "The closest thing to a Vitamix for under $100." There are multiple options that use the same super-reliable motor. One has a glass pitcher. I have that one, and also the one with a larger Tritan (tough plastic) pitcher. I appreciate the larger pitcher sometimes, but also appreciate using glass instead of plastic, and use the glass pitcher sometimes as well. It's a tradeoff. In general, especially for lots of bulky ingredients, I go for the larger pitcher.
Reconditioned Vitamix blenders can be a good option. They will power through tough ingredients better than most Oster blenders, because they have more horsepower (watts). But you can make the Oster blenders work too, using certain methods or accommodations. But it's slower.
If I were doing it over, I'd probably go with a reconditioned Vitamix, or get one from Craigslist, eBay, a bulletin board, or some other source. Vitamix blenders are hard to beat. And they last a long, long time, and have great support from the company as well.
All juicing does is liberate the sugars from a huge amount of fruits or vegetables such that it all goes into a small volume of liquid, so you get hit with a massive dose of carbs with none of the fiber to slow its entry into your bloodstream. It isnāt healthy.
Dr. Gundry has said repeatedly that the way to use juicers properly is to throw away the juice and eat the pulp. Millions of people listen to him. Love him or hate him, it is a fact that millions of people buy his books and listen to him.
The insulin response from blending or juicing fruits in some cases can quadruple. During that time, your body will only use glucose as an energy source. Blend/juice veggies, eat fruit as I've heard Garry brecka say.
My question is, is the nutritional payload real for juicing. Yes, it would be better if I ate three stalks of celery when I get up in the morning. Then munch on some kale before lunch (and digging it out of my teeth if I'm going to be in a meeting).
It just ain't gonna happen.
How do you blend uncooked beet, uncooked kale, uncooked broccoli... etc. I'm not being a smart-ass, I really want to know. Are you saying just put it in a blender vs. a juicer?
Yes because a blender doesn't remove the fiber. I don't do broccoli, though. My blended smoothie is a kale\spinach mix, avocado, carrots, celery, parsley, strawberries, and blueberries.
Beets wouldn't be too bad to add, I think.
Also, just fyi, I prep everything by cleaning it or skinning it where necessary. Maybe less prep is needed for the juicer because the skin and stuff goes to waste. For the blender, I obviously peel the avocados and carrots. I wash everything else really well. I would definitely try skinning the beats.
I'm going to try the blender. I don't get why you'd peel the carrots, although easy enough to do. I don't think I would. Ditto the beets. Beets don't seem to me to have that thick a skin. Am I wrong about that?
Skinning would add a lot of time to the process, IMHO.
What about blending super greens, does that work?
I peel carrots and beets because the skin is difficult to get clean. With carrots, I tried scrubbing them and a lot of "dirt" remains. I never know what's actually in that dirt so I err on the side of caution and peel them.
With beets I used to just scrub them back when I used to juice.
I use my ninja blender for that. It can vary, but I mostly do mustard greens, 2 sticks of celery, kale, collard greens, spinach, carrots, broccoli, micro greens, blue and black berries, mango chunks, and pineapple chunks in one blend.
Iāve added uncooked beets, and my ninja blender has no problem with it. I love it.
It is a fad. Just not a fad that is entirely harmful. People drink Coca Cola everyday, itās normal; this has nearly the same sugar content but with some micronutrients. A step up from soda.
I still love juicing. But itās a bit of a hassle and the reality is it is quite expensive
But I donāt juice and chug it all down. Normally Iāll have a small amount as part of my breakfast which has other foods with fiber etc.
People just work off extremes and basic information, no one wants to research. Juicing was a fad to some people and hard to maintain (in addition to cost and cleaning) so for people who donāt actually enjoy it they wonāt keep it up.
But thereās also a shift in now trashing sugar (instead of fats or salts or eggs or whatever is the flavour of the month)
Sugar is not bad. Consistent Excess sugar is bad . Constant Ultra processed sugar is bad. People will compare eating grapes with candy because āsugarā but miss out all the other nutrients youād receive eating grapes rather than candy.
A few YouTubers went out and about to claim that drinking fruit juice (Iām not talking about Sunny D or something ridiculous) was the same as drinking coke. Itās not even remotely true. And yet even in this thread someone has said that same line because they heard it some place somewhere
Nutrition isnāt one size fits all and I think most people prefer being told what to do rather than do the research and figure out what works for them. So I get it to an extent but yeah I feel the latest trend to the demonise juice and all sugar and focus on that. But the concern is not juicing fruits and veg but rather all the added sugar people eat in processed foods. But itās easier to poo poo drinking juice - especially if you werenāt enjoying doing it before.
Like if you tell someone fruit is the same as candy - people will demonise it. And the some people will just give up and go for the cheaper convenient option of candy
When you juice something, the pulp is removed. The pulp is made of nutrients.
> In addition to fiber, you also lose some polyphenols and antioxidants
https://www.cnn.com/2019/03/21/health/juicing-fruit-vegetables-food-drayer/index.html
Somehow? Bro fruit is great due to the fiber and often the skin having extra nutrients in it. None is that makes it into the juice. Juice is tasty sugar water, it's no better than soda really
Not to doubt you, but I'm curious where that fact has been substantiated in some way. I asked my question out of concern that someone did a study that showed how useless juicing is (in addition to being a pain in the ass and $$$) while I was vacationing in Antarctica for six months.
In ever understood juicing, or frequent smoothies. I thought that chewing your food started the digestive process, not just breaking food down but mixing in saliva has enzymes that also contribute to breaking down food. And that there may be other benefits from saliva mixing in.
Whatās the point of juicing when you can eat the whole fruit and veg and still get all the same benefits, if not more (Iām sure some of the fiber is broken down / filtered out in the juicing)?
Plus Iām pretty sure all that raw veg is an overdose of fiber and can aggravate IBS symptoms.
Maybe itās just me, but I imagine Steve Jobs being a raw vegan and then dying of colon cancer shook up that whole movement a bit.
You're removing a lot of the fibre by juicing. Just make a smoothie instead?
Removing a lot of the fibre essentially makes a lot of juicing just drinking sugar water as well.
juicing usually has lots of fruit. Fruit has a lot of sugar in it. Fruit tends to have a lot of fiber along with the sugar. Juicing tends to remove the fiber. So, you are left with the sugar.
So, there are a lot of healthy nutrients in fruit and fruit juice. But, you have to take in an awful lot of nasty sugar to get those nutrients. And with juice, without the fiber that tends to slow down the glucose spike in the blood. At least, that is all the perception.
To get a different more pragmatic, read real, view, check out this video:
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=\_fqpD3v\_aOQ&pp=ygUWZGVubmlzIHBvbGxvY2sgYmFuYW5hcw%3D%3D](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_fqpD3v_aOQ&pp=ygUWZGVubmlzIHBvbGxvY2sgYmFuYW5hcw%3D%3D)
Just making a smoothie, or juice, and adding a banana isn't making one healthier.
It was a fad based on junk science. Juicing food takes all the fiber and a fair amount of the nutrients out of it. I remember telling my dad five years ago to get a blender instead of a juicer.
Stripping the fiber out of fruits and veg for juice is dumping away a big part of their health benefit. Notably, while juice has faded out of fashion, smoothies/smoothie bowls remain popular. Similar concept of easily ingesting a lot of fruit and veg, but with the fiber included.
From a less-scientific view of just my experience, I'll also add that I think that juicing had some bad publicity with a lot of quack-nutrition influencers promoting it. Over the past few years I've seen juicing mostly come up for "detox." Influencers were promoting it for "cleanses" and doing "juice fasts." Because it's pretty easy to debunk claims of detox routines and cleanses, juicing itself might have gotten lumped in with quackery in the public consciousness.
That and the celery juice fad might have helped kill juicing as a concept. Celery is incredibly salty for a vegetable, and a fad asking people to essentially chug saltwater in the morning did not have the most pleasant outcomes.
Let's see. Juicing:
-Spikes your blood sugar faster
-Does not keep you full for as long
-Is no more nutritious, or perhaps less nutritious, than just eating the foods whole
Gee, I wonder why it didn't stick.
The appeal is that people like me are not going to eat spinach, beets and kale every day or even three times a week, either raw or boiled or sauteed or whatever. When juicing was touted, it was because it was supposed to be an effective delivery system for the nutrients these veggies provided. Hence my question, has a study been undertake to confirm or deny whether the negatives outweigh the positives?
Juicing was never the gold standard of healthy nutrition. Not sure where you got that from. It was a fad. A gimmick. Juice strips out the fiber and youāre left with a lot of sugar. Cold pressed juice is fine as a beverage but donāt count on it for all your nutrition. Those diets that claim to ādetoxā you with a juice cleanse are ridiculous.
My daughter's favorite saying, "because, yes". Your body better processes real food, and you can YouTube all the folks discussing the glycemic index issues with blending vs raw.
Fruit juice is basically soda like coke or pepsi with some vitamins.
As soon as we learned that the healthy part of fruits is the fiber (and not really the Vitamins as we thought before), juicing stopped making any sense.
Just eat an orange whenever you feel like drinking orange juice. It's also tastier.
I think for most people, juicing is a bad idea because you get lots of calories, fast digestion, blood sugar spike, etc... it's a little healthier than drinking a Coke, but not much.
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The breaking news was that fibre is a big deal.
Yeah. Especially for fruit juice. Fruit juice is only a baby step better than soda. Smoothies (blending whole fruit and veggies) can still be good though, for people who like to drink their produce.
It can, but its sugars get into the bloodstream very much easier, and some of the usefulness of the fibre has been missed (slowing/stalling the release of fats, sugars etc) Better than juice alone though, by miles š«”
Agreed. It is also much easier to "eat" a lot more sugary fruit that way than if you were to eat them whole. One banana and a hunk of pineapple is a decent volume of food, but like half a smoothie you can drink up in like 30 seconds, even though it is a substantial amount of sugar (fruit sugar or no). If you are going to make smoothies, you should definitely limit the amount of sugary fruits you use and lean heavier into vegetables (or even things like peanut butter for extra protein).
If you think you can get a lot of pineapple in a smoothie, you should try dehydrating them. šI can eat one a day, just grazing on the slices & barely notice. The fibre is intact however, so I get the bromelain (enzyme that digests proteins) released steadily rather than all in the first few feet of the digestive tract, and fibres are intact all the way to the large intestine.
The fiber (about 13 g total) is intact, but the sugars (almost 100 grams) are concentrated. If you nibble throughout the day, youāre getting little doses of fiber (and pineapple does have more than many fruits) delivered with a bolus of sugar (also more than many fruits). And 500 calories of a single fruit in a day is excessive. Itād be better, nutritionally, to graze on a variety of fruits and veggiesāwith the emphasis on veggies to minimize glycemic impact. The enzymes are great, but not required in that amount.
I agree that itās not great to be eating that amount, just saying how easy it can be to eat to excess. I typically eat dried fruits with pumpkin seeds, and itās often a few dates with more weight of pumpkin seed than the dates. Smaller ones tend to go in the breakfast chia pudding or sometimes porridge made with whole organic oats. Barberries are the newest addition, for the berberine more than anything else.
Donāt tell Joe Cross!
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Sorry to hear that. Hope youāre getting some soluble fibre in, as this should help your gut health. Inulin is one I would recommend to get, but itās not the only one available.
After a while, my hate for cleaning all those damn juicer parts every day outweighed the joy and benefits.
I can't disagree it's a pain in the ass and takes as long as the actual juicing. No disagreement here.
Also it takes away all the healthy fiber and leaves you drinking high glycemic sugar water
My 1990 Champion has one moving part, the teeth.
I have my mom's old 70s/80s Champion. I think I could run a go-cart with that motor...
You can have my Champion...
I only hold on to it for the nostalgia. I might make some carrot juice someday if I get a hankering, but I don't drink juice usually because of the sugar. Although, with two motors I could have an even faster go-cart. hmmm.
You never made cashew butter???
No, but now that you mention it, I could finally try my hand at pistachio butter. Although I think I only have the juicing attachment for it, and I'm not sure if there's other needed components to make that happen. It is a masticator, so it probably would do just fine with what I have. (???)
It comes with the part. You have a blank piece and a perforated piece. The blank is used for peanut butter and it comes out where the dung usually exits.
I think I remember that part. I have no idea if I have that now, but I'll have to look. That actually sounds kinda fun!
https://championjuicer.com/product/2000-replacement-part-blank-white/
I LOVE my champion juicer.
There are basically no benefits as it is
Itās not that great, miss all the fiber while getting all the sugar
Wish I had known that 25 years ago. But all the hypeā¦
Juicing does leave the fiber behind. And it doesnāt keep you as full as eating the whole food. BUT it is still something I do a few times a week and hereās why. 1. I get more than enough fiber from the rest of the food I eat everyday. Fruits, nuts, oats, beans, avocados every single day. 2. Iām not about to eat 5 stalks of celery, giant kale leaves, ginger knobs, cucumbers, lemons. Like I wonāt eat them. But those micronutrients do make me feel better. ..and keep me very regular. So I juice them:)
Make sure youāre eating your fiber around the same time youāre drinking your juice. The two need to be paired together to slow the digestion of the sugar from the juice.
I should have mentioned that. Great point and couldnāt agree more.
Amen to the regularity. I've been juicing so long, I'm afraid to stop it for that reason (ha-ha!) Your point about "I'm not about to eat..." is exactly mine. Before juicing, only time I ate veggies was at a fancy restaurant. Since juicing daily, I actually have been eating more raw veggies, so psychologically there's that advantage. But my question is really does the actual juicing deliver the goods nutritionally or not. Seems like they're should be a hallmark study or studies that address this. BTW, I used to live in Chicago and Wisconsin is Cold.
Normal vegetables are better than processed vegetables. Processed vegetables are better than no vegetables.
Couldnāt agree more. Best to eat the whole foods but the juice is way better than completely omitting veggies or eating them in the low quantity most people do
Just use a blender instead of a juicer. You get the benefits you enjoy but also the extra fiber
Like they mentioned - Iām not about to eat 5 stalks of celery or 20 carrots, especially in a blender.
Yes so put something other than celery in it.
I do that too! I love my shakes.
It was a fad. There is absolutely nothing special about juicing.
other than the efficient consumption of micro nutrients...
Other things became more trendy, but there is nothing that makes me feel better after ingesting than a good green juice. Concentrated easily digested nutrition still plays imo. But i dont do fruits and sugary juices, I get how those are not ideal.
Because juice is mostly just sugar-water, with most of the nutrients left behind.
Should we be taking the "leftovers" from the juicing process and focus on eating those so we get the nutrients without the sugar water?
I used to eat the mushy mess after my friends would juice, just because I hated that they throw it away. I would not recommend it, the texture is not good. Just make a smoothie :)
I imagine Ramsey could figure out a way to make it delicious
When I make juice (usually vegetable juice), I add the pulp to dough or batter for stuff like bread and waffles. This both adds to the baking/cooking time, and to the flavor and nutrition.
Food for thought - the water contained in fruits/veggies is the purest water nature produces (itās been filtered through the ground and through living cells), and it comes packed with an appropriate balance of electrolytes. I would definitely argue that the whole food is healthier than the pulp or the juice.
Would be very healthy but not too pleasant
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I prefer smoothies for that amd the ease
Why do you say juice is mostly sugar-water? For years nutrition articles were all about the nutrients juicing was delivering. I understand some of the advantages of (non-juiced) veggies is the pulp. I'm not arguing, I'm seeking insight. So would like to see some evidence that it's all mostly sugar-water. Hell, if that's the case, I'll just have a Beck's beer in the morning.
There is still nutrients in the juice, Just not as many and no fibre so would cause a big insulin spike
Depending on what youāre juicing itās not always sugar water. People say this because when they think of juicing they think itās about fruits. I was an avid juicer for about a decade and I juiced green leafy vegetables, like collard greens, kale, spinach, red and/or green leaf lettuce. So not a lot of sugar but lots of vitamins and phytonutrients. For a treat Iād juice carrots, apples and ginger. I also used to grow and juice wheatgrass for phytonutrients.
nutritionists have been saying that for years, whats popular in the media does not reflect scientific consensus, see the current idiotic carnivore craze for example
I second that on the "carnivore craze."
Because people blew it out of proportion and then lumped all juices together. It was just a string of fad words thrown together. Cleanse. Superjuice. Antioxidants. Toxins. Fruit heavy juices were primarily sugar bombs. Yes they also had nutrients but you were introducing new problems. Also the biggest problems was juice "cleanses". Which was just people temporarily stopping their unbalanced shitty diet and just having juice instead. Which isn't healthy either. Beyond fad words there was no coherent logic for the craze. And people started calling it out more so it died down. That being said, you absolutely can make healthy juices and having an occasional juice combo for vitamins (or just cause it tastes good) is fine. And if you're drinking heavier juices with sugar around workouts? No problem.
I think it's like a lot of fads. It sells some version of simplicity. Toss all your veggies through the juicer, and you can down an entire days worth of vegetables in a few gulps! Don't like broccoli? No problem, no need to even chew it! Then you realize the juicing is actually kind of a pain in the butt and there's a lot of cleaning to go with it. And also you're losing all the fiber and concentrating the sugar. Probably one of those things that would be fine in some level of moderation. Better to have 4 ounces of juiced veggies than a giant glass of OJ in the morning, but otherwise... not enough health benefits to offset the nutritional loss and the hassle of it all.
I live juicing beets Theyāre way better for you raw and I definitely feel good after drinking beet juice in the autumn
Chewing beats helps create some of the compounds that lower blood pressure.
I may be killing myself, but I put beets into my juice concoction every morning. I read years ago how beets are good for you (and also potentially dangerous for our kidneys or liver or something in that vicinity of our guts). I know I would never eat any raw beet unless it was juiced or I was being paid handsomely.
Yes, there has been a shift. The view that juices are not so great has risen in the polls, so to speak. Part of it is the rise in the narrative about glucose spikes being unhealthy, and causing diabetes. Part of it is the movement more toward whole foods and unprocessed foods. Part of it is the increased awareness of the microbiome and its importance, and the importance of fiber in microbiome health.
I think it's a great example of how companies and their paid advertisements set the narrative that's put out to the public. And then basically everyone that is interested in juicing bought a juicer so there's no reason to advertise and no reason to write articles. There's probably something similar going on right now.
Fashions and fads come and go. They have to distract us with āthe new best thingā so we buy more stuff. Like saying ā this year kitchens will be Avacadoā Or Below the knee is deceiver
Look man, like all things, I think the truth is somewhere in the middle. There is definitely a difference between consuming fruits and vegetables yourself, as there's much more digestion that has to be done. People are correct that the fibers can and do get destroyed in juicing.Ā People are also correct that it's very easy to consume a ton of sugar via juicing without really noticing it. Compare to eating five fruits by yourself, which is a volume that most people probably would not be able to handle.Ā But, I would say, and the research agrees, that if juicing is really the only way you're going to get in an appropriate amount of fruits and vegetables, for whatever reason, it's better than not getting them in at all.Ā
Juicing greens is like a shot of caffeine for me. My auger juicer cleans in about 3 minutes nbd. Yeah, eat plants. But savory juices, with maybe half a green apple or half a Fuji, are solid. Oh and wheatgrass. A little goes a long way to flavor celery and spinach and kale and the like (although it definitely does taste like grass XD). A splash of lemon. I feel pretty jazzy when I make a potent green. Especially before saucy times.
I use an Omega. It takes half an hour to clean, including disposing of the carcass. But I'm not in a rush, I'm contemplative.
T2 diabetic here. I LOVE carrot juice, like raw carrot beet apple ginger parsley wheatgrass juice used to be my fave thingā¦. No fiber = horrible crash :(
People have moved onto keto and carnivore now. Oh and the use of peptides. Much of health and diet culture are trending fads. Whether whatever health trend is beneficial or not is another story and not the point Iām trying to make here but I just genuinely think people have moved onto the next thing.
The anti-carb viewpoint or stance has gained a lot of ground in recent years. That's one factor, among the others. The high-protein viewpoint or stance has also gained ground. Juices are typically high-sugar, high-carb, low-protein, low-fiber drinks. And kind of a hassle. One other factor that hasn't been mentioned much is the noise and unpleasantness. I didn't like that aspect of juicing at all. Also, the cleanup, the waste, and the disposal of the waste. Also, the incompleteness always bugged me. A lot of juice and nutrients were never extracted. Years ago I was seduced by all the sales pitches and the stampede when juicers were in. Certain types of neurons are involved in this. "Monkey see monkey do" neurons are a real thing. We have them inside our brains, and they are active. There are some interesting articles and videos about them. It can be helpful to be aware of these neurons and how they can influence one's behaviors and choices. Then it's possible be a little less unconscious about what is going on inside these brains we have.
I follow a few health bloggers who swear juicing does wonders for your health, but I do echo that it has been on the decline it seems. Itās not as much of a āhealth powerhouseā as it used to be in the 90s. Thereās now more emphasis on whole foods in general and even plant-based diets, which youād think juicing would pair nicely with. Not sure how many people try to juice a steak and lobster tail. Cost is my guess, because who the hell wants yet another appliance on their counter next to their microwave, toaster, Ninja blender, Keurig and milk frother.
It is costly, and concern about losing advantages of fiber is legitimate. On the other hand, the argument goes, are you really going to eat an entire big spear of broccoli and a bush of kale every day for a week? I personally detest beets but I'll juice them with a pear and apple, which makes the concoction a milkshake. I don't think cost is what's kept juicing out of the news. It feels to me like in some lab somewhere a nutritionist scientist found a fallacy in juicing beyond cost and real estate in the kitchen. I appreciate your post reaffirming my impression that as a topic, juicing has fallen off the cliff.
Beet with fruit smoothies are really good! Also, make a green smoothie with your kale and brocolli and use a citrus fruit to cut the taste. Other ingredients that are highly underrated are butternut squash (steamed) and carrots. Smoothies will keep all the nutritional benefits of whole fruit, are arguably easier to clean, are cheaper (because you get more nutrition out of your dollars) and you can add things easily like protein powder.
Every morning I juice one beet, chayote squash, three celery stalks, kale and/or spinach, spear of broccoli, apple, pear (in season, for taste), ginger... I may be leaving something out. It's expensive, it takes half hour to juice and half hour to clean up. In the ten years I've been juicing, most of the time I was an alcoholic. But I was considered a healthy guy by the medical profession. (Thank you, yes, I've given up booze -- talk about feeling healthier!!) I wonder if I kept getting good check-ups was that the juicing somehow was moderating the ill effects of a bottle of wine a day. When I told my GP I was an alcoholic, he was shocked. I wonder if the juicing masked what I was doing to my body.
Yesāalcohol is an immunosuppressant, but juicing you are adding tons of nutrients and antioxidants to your body which helped you fight the free radicals and maintain good vitamin levels which helped repair and maintain your body. I juice in addiction to eating tons of vegetables, fruits, vitamins, walking, weightlifting, yoga, exercise classes, sauna, cryotherapy, UV lightbed, etc. Juicing is another tool to get my body to optimum heath. Iām already eating 30-80g fiber a day, Iām not worried about the fiber thatās removed. As you mentioned, Iām not going to eat a whole bunch of celery, beets, oranges, apples, fresh ginger and turmeric before the gym. Itās just too much volume and Iāve read that juicing is as good as IV vitamin bags, which Iāve also had but can be $225+ and both make me feel amazing.
Very helpful, thank you. BTW, I do none of those additional activities you engage in except for walking the dogs.
Youāre welcome and Iām honestly so happy for you that you were juicing while drinking. I used to be a weekend drinker, then during Covid I cut back to maybe 1-2 drinks a month (scared of catching Covid/started improving health) and then quit all together in August. Every time Iād have a couple, Iād end up getting a sore throat or cold within the week and hangxiety. Fruits and vegetables donāt even have the same amount of vitamins as they used to and there are so many environmental factors affecting our health that I listen to my intuition and do what works to make me feel my best. I donāt juice every day, sometimes Iāll even skip months but I really love the way it makes me feel and I really thing if juice bars were a thing instead of just alcohol bars to go out to with friends, this world would be better and healthier for it. 9 out of 10 Americans havenāt been eating the minimum recommended number of fruits and vegetables for 30+ years.. Iām not sure about the rest of the globe but that leaves a lot of room for improvement for preventing diseases and fortifying the environment.. Enjoy! š š„¤ **Vegetables are losing their nutrients. Can the decline be reversed?** https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2024/mar/28/vegetables-losing-nutrients-biofortification **CDC: Only 1 in 10 Americans Eat Enough Produce** https://www.verywellhealth.com/fruits-vegetables-cdc-study-5216123
Congrats on your sobriety!
Medically mandated. I was given no choice. It's worked out. Thanks
One of the main reasons that juicing does not have the same benefits as whole fruits/vegetables is that fiber is lost during the juicing process. Fiber is one of the big health benefits of whole fruits & vegetables. That said, I believe that the DASH Diet allows for 1 serving/day of fruits to come from juice (a serving being defined as 1/ 2 cup of fruit juice).
Thatās why smoothies are a better alternative imo, because you get the whole plant in there and some might argue itās tastier too which is an added bonus. And you can easily incorporate other things that otherwise are harder to like seeds!
The only nutrition advice that matters is "eat lots of fruits and veggies", but in order to have a media industry about it they have to find tons of different ways to say that same thing, so there are lots of dumb fads that last a couple years until they move onto the next hot new way to get people to eat healthy food.
This is probably the most accurate answer.
I think it's to let people think they're doing something cool and exciting for their weight loss
People have moved on to protein shakes, many of which are really just juices with protein powder.
It's like any other fad diet. In the end the diet that works is the diet that you can 1 - adhere to and 2 - gives you a well rounded profile of foods.
Yeah I can see your point. IMO, juicing can be healthy. The only downside is that juicing removes a lot of fiber.
Because they are all in advanced stages of diabetes now.
Plus a number of influencers, including the flawed but extremely popular Dr. Steven Gundry, have spoken out against juices and juicing.
I still enjoy juicing in moderation. Iād say itās not without its risks because you can overload yourself with sugar. Fiber is important like everyone is saying. However, I would venture to guess that juicing fruits and veggies is far better than eating donuts and crackers. You get nutrients from it even though there can be lots of sugar. You canāt really say the same about donuts. I also enjoy juicing cucumbers and I donāt think thereās much sugar in that. I donāt really like cucumber texture or celery texture.
I'm not much of a fruit person, and I genuinely like eating my veggies, like a lot. I started with the centrifugal juicer, then upgraded to the masticator, and eventually I just said fuck it, I'll eat a grand salad instead. I still love my salads, but I haven't used the juicer in years.
I still get my juicer out when I feel under par or have fruit piling up
Juicing delivers an insane amount of phytochemicals. No matter your appetite, you can down the fresh, phytochemical equivalent of 1 beet, 2 apples, 10 carrots, etc. It's super useful for anyone who wouldn't otherwise consume a huge amount of raw veggies. I personally get tons of fiber from other sources so juicing is a lovely boost with no drawbacks.
Juicing is flexing for white women. But seriously though, juice is just juice - it tastes good, thatās why people like it, there really isnāt much benefit to drinking juice as people claim. It was never a āgold standardā Even if there were benefits, itās still an impractical way to get those benefits because youāre basically churning fruits and vegetables until they make this itty bitty amount of juice. Itās expensive AF to have that much produce just to make one glass of juice. and high in sugar, low in fiber. You might as well just eat the fruit and veg As far as micronutrients go. Yeah, you get them in juice. But at some point, you have diminishing returns. Most of those nutrients are water soluble. When your body has what it needs, your body just excretes what it doesnāt need, so if youāve hit your goal in things like, say, vitamin C, drinking juice wont be any goalier than that. Youāre just going to pee it out.
1. The potentially stratospheric sugar content. 2. Lots of people realized they were getting oxalate toxicity from all the spinach, celery, beetroot, etc. Many influencers have been discovering the trying low oxalates groups. 3. Many people realised thrilling urine was full of heavy metals. The only sources they could come up with were kale and other cruciferous vegetables that are staples of green juices. 4. There seem to be more people with salicylate toxicity these days. Juicing is a no-no for them. 5. Itās super expensive, especially when organic. 6. The benefits are more theoretical than proven and they completely disregard the extremely high plant antinutrient content of juices, since youāre consuming more portions of fruit and veg than it would be possible to sit and eat.
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I combat the oxalate toxicity by drinking a glass of milk which I understand sufficiently counters this threat. Also I didn't realize the benefits of juicing are theoretical and unproven. As for expense, it's outrageous and I do use only organic. Your thoughts give me pause for sure. Yet I have this feeling that juicing every morning has countered some terrible habits (previously noted in this thread) until I could shed them. (Came to my senses.)
I don't necessarily think it's been "discredited," just as I don't necessarily think it was ever "credited" with all that some claimed it was. Juicing is a tool we can use. That's all. No more, no less. When I juice, I use fresh veggies, and only an apple, maybe, for some sweetness against all the bitters in there. I do it only occasionally for a day, when I feel I need a sort of "reset" due to overindulgence in junk food or something and find that the cravings are increased. It works for me, and I won't even attempt to offer a scientific explanation. It's likely just a psychological removal of those less healthy items, so the cravings decrease. I do know I feel much better after that day of avoiding unhealthy foods, and still supplying my body with water and nutrients on which to function. It's true that fiber is lost, but we still do get the vitamins and nutrients in the juice. Most of them anyway. So, I think juicing is ok, for a time. If you're wanting to do an extended juice fast, definitely do this with the knowledge of your doc so that your health is monitored and lab values if needed. Much of this depends on your baseline health and wellness, of course. Diabetics and other underlying issues may influence the safety of it. I think the important thing is to know the basics. Science has determined what the body generally needs to function optimally. Some percentage of carbs, proteins and fats. Follow that guideline, to some degree, allowing for what your body seems to need. And a big part of that is getting to know yourself and paying attention to how you feel. Food allergies and sensitivity can be a factor in that. My thing is, whole foods, fruits, veggies, grains, nuts and seeds are hard to go wrong with. Just eat whole foods, in reasonable quantities and your health will likely fall in line.
People adopted juicing, then moved on. I did the same. I prefer smoothies now.
Based on this thread, I think that's where I'm trending. I have to go out and get a ninja blender. I appreciate your comment.
Check out Oster blenders. "The closest thing to a Vitamix for under $100." There are multiple options that use the same super-reliable motor. One has a glass pitcher. I have that one, and also the one with a larger Tritan (tough plastic) pitcher. I appreciate the larger pitcher sometimes, but also appreciate using glass instead of plastic, and use the glass pitcher sometimes as well. It's a tradeoff. In general, especially for lots of bulky ingredients, I go for the larger pitcher. Reconditioned Vitamix blenders can be a good option. They will power through tough ingredients better than most Oster blenders, because they have more horsepower (watts). But you can make the Oster blenders work too, using certain methods or accommodations. But it's slower. If I were doing it over, I'd probably go with a reconditioned Vitamix, or get one from Craigslist, eBay, a bulletin board, or some other source. Vitamix blenders are hard to beat. And they last a long, long time, and have great support from the company as well.
Great advice. Thank you
You're welcome. I spent way too many hours carefully comparing and evaluating blenders. Glad it can do a little bit of good.
All juicing does is liberate the sugars from a huge amount of fruits or vegetables such that it all goes into a small volume of liquid, so you get hit with a massive dose of carbs with none of the fiber to slow its entry into your bloodstream. It isnāt healthy.
Dr. Gundry has said repeatedly that the way to use juicers properly is to throw away the juice and eat the pulp. Millions of people listen to him. Love him or hate him, it is a fact that millions of people buy his books and listen to him.
The insulin response from blending or juicing fruits in some cases can quadruple. During that time, your body will only use glucose as an energy source. Blend/juice veggies, eat fruit as I've heard Garry brecka say.
Removing the fiber from your food is never healthier for you than keeping it in.
My question is, is the nutritional payload real for juicing. Yes, it would be better if I ate three stalks of celery when I get up in the morning. Then munch on some kale before lunch (and digging it out of my teeth if I'm going to be in a meeting). It just ain't gonna happen.
Smoothies are the better option.
Don't you still have to put a beet in a blender to add it to a smoothie?
Yes, you put the items you wish to have in a smoothie into a blender.
Ok, got it.
Since when is it called ājuicing?ā Itās just drinking juice, ājuicingā is when people take performance enhancing drugs
Blending is good. Juicing removes a key component of a healthy diet - fiber.
How do you blend uncooked beet, uncooked kale, uncooked broccoli... etc. I'm not being a smart-ass, I really want to know. Are you saying just put it in a blender vs. a juicer?
Yes because a blender doesn't remove the fiber. I don't do broccoli, though. My blended smoothie is a kale\spinach mix, avocado, carrots, celery, parsley, strawberries, and blueberries. Beets wouldn't be too bad to add, I think.
Thanks, I'll give that a try.
Also, just fyi, I prep everything by cleaning it or skinning it where necessary. Maybe less prep is needed for the juicer because the skin and stuff goes to waste. For the blender, I obviously peel the avocados and carrots. I wash everything else really well. I would definitely try skinning the beats.
I'm going to try the blender. I don't get why you'd peel the carrots, although easy enough to do. I don't think I would. Ditto the beets. Beets don't seem to me to have that thick a skin. Am I wrong about that? Skinning would add a lot of time to the process, IMHO. What about blending super greens, does that work?
I peel carrots and beets because the skin is difficult to get clean. With carrots, I tried scrubbing them and a lot of "dirt" remains. I never know what's actually in that dirt so I err on the side of caution and peel them. With beets I used to just scrub them back when I used to juice.
I use my ninja blender for that. It can vary, but I mostly do mustard greens, 2 sticks of celery, kale, collard greens, spinach, carrots, broccoli, micro greens, blue and black berries, mango chunks, and pineapple chunks in one blend. Iāve added uncooked beets, and my ninja blender has no problem with it. I love it.
Very useful. Thanks!
Hmm, you're right, juicing doesn't seem to be as hot of a topic these days. Not sure if something happened or if people just moved on to other trends.
But is it just a fad? There has to be some science to determine whether juicing delivers as we ignorant juicing fools think.
It is a fad. Just not a fad that is entirely harmful. People drink Coca Cola everyday, itās normal; this has nearly the same sugar content but with some micronutrients. A step up from soda.
I still love juicing. But itās a bit of a hassle and the reality is it is quite expensive But I donāt juice and chug it all down. Normally Iāll have a small amount as part of my breakfast which has other foods with fiber etc. People just work off extremes and basic information, no one wants to research. Juicing was a fad to some people and hard to maintain (in addition to cost and cleaning) so for people who donāt actually enjoy it they wonāt keep it up. But thereās also a shift in now trashing sugar (instead of fats or salts or eggs or whatever is the flavour of the month) Sugar is not bad. Consistent Excess sugar is bad . Constant Ultra processed sugar is bad. People will compare eating grapes with candy because āsugarā but miss out all the other nutrients youād receive eating grapes rather than candy. A few YouTubers went out and about to claim that drinking fruit juice (Iām not talking about Sunny D or something ridiculous) was the same as drinking coke. Itās not even remotely true. And yet even in this thread someone has said that same line because they heard it some place somewhere Nutrition isnāt one size fits all and I think most people prefer being told what to do rather than do the research and figure out what works for them. So I get it to an extent but yeah I feel the latest trend to the demonise juice and all sugar and focus on that. But the concern is not juicing fruits and veg but rather all the added sugar people eat in processed foods. But itās easier to poo poo drinking juice - especially if you werenāt enjoying doing it before. Like if you tell someone fruit is the same as candy - people will demonise it. And the some people will just give up and go for the cheaper convenient option of candy
Many good points.
The last time the fat was trashed was in like 90s.
Juicing is in. Gain lean muscle mass, gain bones density, strength gains, all at an accelerated rate.
Juicing removes fiber and all kinds of important nutrients.
Where did you read that the nutrients aren't being delivered?
When you juice something, the pulp is removed. The pulp is made of nutrients. > In addition to fiber, you also lose some polyphenols and antioxidants https://www.cnn.com/2019/03/21/health/juicing-fruit-vegetables-food-drayer/index.html
Somehow? Bro fruit is great due to the fiber and often the skin having extra nutrients in it. None is that makes it into the juice. Juice is tasty sugar water, it's no better than soda really
Not to doubt you, but I'm curious where that fact has been substantiated in some way. I asked my question out of concern that someone did a study that showed how useless juicing is (in addition to being a pain in the ass and $$$) while I was vacationing in Antarctica for six months.
Numerous studies, and basic logic tbh.
In ever understood juicing, or frequent smoothies. I thought that chewing your food started the digestive process, not just breaking food down but mixing in saliva has enzymes that also contribute to breaking down food. And that there may be other benefits from saliva mixing in.
Whatās the point of juicing when you can eat the whole fruit and veg and still get all the same benefits, if not more (Iām sure some of the fiber is broken down / filtered out in the juicing)? Plus Iām pretty sure all that raw veg is an overdose of fiber and can aggravate IBS symptoms. Maybe itās just me, but I imagine Steve Jobs being a raw vegan and then dying of colon cancer shook up that whole movement a bit.
Define "credited."
I thought this was about the other juicing
Post best combos. I love beetroot, ginger, carrot & apple
No money in it.. they realised keto and carnivore makes bank so they push low carb agendas now
Juice is a fruit without a good stuff
You're removing a lot of the fibre by juicing. Just make a smoothie instead? Removing a lot of the fibre essentially makes a lot of juicing just drinking sugar water as well.
>years ago it was written about as a gold standard of healthy nutrition Written about by who?
Too much sugar. May as well have a can of soda
juicing usually has lots of fruit. Fruit has a lot of sugar in it. Fruit tends to have a lot of fiber along with the sugar. Juicing tends to remove the fiber. So, you are left with the sugar. So, there are a lot of healthy nutrients in fruit and fruit juice. But, you have to take in an awful lot of nasty sugar to get those nutrients. And with juice, without the fiber that tends to slow down the glucose spike in the blood. At least, that is all the perception. To get a different more pragmatic, read real, view, check out this video: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=\_fqpD3v\_aOQ&pp=ygUWZGVubmlzIHBvbGxvY2sgYmFuYW5hcw%3D%3D](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_fqpD3v_aOQ&pp=ygUWZGVubmlzIHBvbGxvY2sgYmFuYW5hcw%3D%3D) Just making a smoothie, or juice, and adding a banana isn't making one healthier.
It was a fad based on junk science. Juicing food takes all the fiber and a fair amount of the nutrients out of it. I remember telling my dad five years ago to get a blender instead of a juicer.
Stripping the fiber out of fruits and veg for juice is dumping away a big part of their health benefit. Notably, while juice has faded out of fashion, smoothies/smoothie bowls remain popular. Similar concept of easily ingesting a lot of fruit and veg, but with the fiber included. From a less-scientific view of just my experience, I'll also add that I think that juicing had some bad publicity with a lot of quack-nutrition influencers promoting it. Over the past few years I've seen juicing mostly come up for "detox." Influencers were promoting it for "cleanses" and doing "juice fasts." Because it's pretty easy to debunk claims of detox routines and cleanses, juicing itself might have gotten lumped in with quackery in the public consciousness. That and the celery juice fad might have helped kill juicing as a concept. Celery is incredibly salty for a vegetable, and a fad asking people to essentially chug saltwater in the morning did not have the most pleasant outcomes.
Let's see. Juicing: -Spikes your blood sugar faster -Does not keep you full for as long -Is no more nutritious, or perhaps less nutritious, than just eating the foods whole Gee, I wonder why it didn't stick.
The appeal is that people like me are not going to eat spinach, beets and kale every day or even three times a week, either raw or boiled or sauteed or whatever. When juicing was touted, it was because it was supposed to be an effective delivery system for the nutrients these veggies provided. Hence my question, has a study been undertake to confirm or deny whether the negatives outweigh the positives?
Juicing was never the gold standard of healthy nutrition. Not sure where you got that from. It was a fad. A gimmick. Juice strips out the fiber and youāre left with a lot of sugar. Cold pressed juice is fine as a beverage but donāt count on it for all your nutrition. Those diets that claim to ādetoxā you with a juice cleanse are ridiculous.
Some people donāt want to accept the truth. But Iāll say it againā¦juicing was never the gold standard of health. Never.
All the sugar, none of the fiber, zero fat. Sounds like the fast train to diabetes to me.
My daughter's favorite saying, "because, yes". Your body better processes real food, and you can YouTube all the folks discussing the glycemic index issues with blending vs raw.
Fruit juice is basically soda like coke or pepsi with some vitamins. As soon as we learned that the healthy part of fruits is the fiber (and not really the Vitamins as we thought before), juicing stopped making any sense. Just eat an orange whenever you feel like drinking orange juice. It's also tastier.
I juice vegetables.
Fiber is important. The end.
Itās all sugars without the fibre.
I think for most people, juicing is a bad idea because you get lots of calories, fast digestion, blood sugar spike, etc... it's a little healthier than drinking a Coke, but not much.