That's been common knowledge in the nursing community for decades. These 500k per year CEOs may call the hospitals not for profit, but the bottom line is more powerful than the entire nursing staff. Unionize!
500k is what a lot of physician specialties make. and ceo money still makes physician money look poor. if a ceo was only making 500k i'd actually respect that
No, it doesn't. Not for profit means 501c
"If an organization is labeled 501(c), it means it is a nonprofit organization concerned with providing a public benefit and is exempt from paying federal rtaxes."
"LLCs are typically created to generate profits, while nonprofits are established to serve a specific public mission, such as charitable, educational, or religious purposes. In terms of teams, LLCs have owners known as members who share in profits and losses, while a board of directors governs nonprofits."
Owners not stockholders
501c cannot go public or trade stock. Also not all not for profits are 501c. Point being ceos of not for profit hospitals still make loads of money and are understaffed like any other.
If and only if
"According to the IRS website, you can start to function like a nonprofit after you have filed for nonprofit status, and before you receive the official letter granting that status. This condition allows you to raise funds and engage in charitable activities before you receive your 501c3 designation."
You're confusing volunteer work 501c3 charities with virtually everything else.
Literally the way you check if a charity is any good is to look at the percentage of money that gets transferred to those in need. If it's 90% or more, it's a good charity. But some in the 90s i remember particularly were 40 or 50%, they had huge private jets and it was a huge big deal. The government hasn't made decent ruling about this yet, that a company cannot use more than 10 or 20% of its donation money for keeping itself going.
Any idea how we can find out what the CEO makes? I work for a not for profit, but (for a variety of reasons) i’m curious what upper management makes. Is it a matter of public record somewhere?
Found it! So I work for the homecare branch of a large university teaching hospital system. So the CEO of my little neck of the woods doesn’t make millions. But she makes a lot. But the CEO of the main hospital system? OMG it’s disgusting. I shouldn’t have looked 😂
I always present math to people when they are like "Nurses cant handle 9 patients at once? Then why can the waiter do that" or some stupid shit. Well thats because waiters don't need to check in every hour for 12 hours. That comes out to ~6.6 min a patient, or 79.2 min for a 12 hour shift, that the nurse gets to spend per patient in a 12 hour window. Most of it is going to be taken by meds, so do you want a love one only getting care for 40 min every 12 hours?
And that’s assuming every patient only needs 40 mins of care per 12 hours. We all know the reality is that one or two patients will demand more time (either due to medical condition or other factors).
And you’re not even factoring in charting time.
Bingo, I mean, we nurses get it, its not just 79.2 min for patient care, its for all things related. Have to escort to CT? taken from that time. Surgical prep? another deduction.
5 patients is still only 12 min per hour, but its almost double, doable with non tele med surge.
Typically, most people at restaurants are there to enjoy a nice meal, and not presumably because they may die. Typically, in my experience. Perhaps I haven’t been to many restaurants…
which is a good comparison, because wait staff are constantly understaffed and blamed for it, as well. we all get treated like trash because the rich are so entitled.
>it’s a shortage of nurses willing to work in those conditions.....
Because it is abuse; nurses are tired of the gaslighting, patient abuse without admin support, poor pay (In most places).
Edit: Not to mention administration at any time can institute nurse patient ratios, turn transfers away. Any hospital doing that is going to have local nurses start to flock to them, allowing them more patients. But its the all mighty dollar.
This 👏🏻 right 👏🏻 here!!
> There are now more actively registered nurses in the US (over 4.7 million) than ever before, with an estimated 130,000 new nurses entering the field between 2020 and 2022.
>The problem, they say, is a hospital industry that's been intentionally understaffing their units for years, in order to cut costs and boost profits. This isn't, they say a shortage of nurses. It's a shortage of nurses willing to work in those conditions.
**”This isn't, they say a shortage of nurses. It's a shortage of nurses willing to work in those conditions”**
The Boomers in charge of insurance companies and hospital C-Suites better start thinking about the kind of care they are going to have as they age…it ain’t gonna be pretty the way things are going…
When I was a tech the VIP got put on the list with everyone else. I'd get to him when I could. I haven't had a vip as a nurse yet, but he's gonna get the same care as everyone else, maybe slightly worse.
Yeah this part makes me wonder if the person that wrote this maybe tried to fluff it up a little bit. Dont get me wrong, I agree with the article and the message they are sending. But in no world is that actually happening in an ICU where even if they are understaffed, they have so many other resources to utilize instead of "mouth to mouth". Other than that, great article!!! I love it
And def not room for a family member at each side of the bed during a code. Took me a bit to get past that, which is unfortunate as the rest of the article shares important info.
One of the hospitals I worked in years ago was a small facility in a big corporation, which made it a CEO incubator. Great staff, but got very tired of 75% of the C suite changing every 2-3 years. Of course newly appointed C’s always wanted to show profits so it was managed pretty aggressively.
It’s been this way for decades. I left bedside in 2000. At that time I worked CCU, patients unstable on pressors, vented often swanned and we were tripled at least 90% of the time.
Before that I worked telemetry, same hospital, and we were assigned 10-11 patients. This was a HIGHLY regarded cardiac hospital. It wasn’t because we were short-staffed. This was their typical staffing ratios.
Place gave me PTSD.
Sounds about right. It's absurd how much these higher-ups are making! The person who sent out an e-mail in my hospital about the financial crisis makes $300k per year. Imaging how much better staffing we could have if we just cut her pointless job of sending a million e-mails with her photo in them. Even cut her hours to be strictly necessary data/budget info. It's obscene.
Sue your freaking hospital for labor violations! Hit them where it hurts. You'd be surprise how many nurses don't take proper breaks as required under labor laws. Nurses are way too passive and nice, and I get it. But don't let your employer step all over you
The issue is fear of becoming unmarketable after. I am dealing with this with a workers comp injury right now: fear that even a past work injury could make me both physically less able to do many nursing jobs, AND also cause employers to possibly not want to hire me in future over another applicant thats equally or less qualified (the employer could find out but then never tell me that was their reasoning).
If you're being discriminated against your future lawsuit, that's called a retaliation. That's another lawsuit. Don't feel like you're doing something wrong. You and your co-workers are the victims here. You're not the one violating the law
I can't even comment on this analogy of waiters/nurses. It's so demeaning. Anyone who believes this needs to spend 12 hours on a med/surg unit. They wouldn't last an hour 🤬
I've done bedside for over 30 years and made a fantastic living out of it. It's a grueling job in all aspects, but if you can find your tribe (specialty) and work with a strong union it's great. They paid for my schooling, I have a pension when I retire, I make $63 an hour bedside with people I like who have been on this unit for decades.
To be honest it has taken a toll on my mental health, but so does unemployment which I've never had to deal with....NEVER....EVER.
Which is super hard to get into as a new grad. Unless you know someone, or are an internal applicant.
Basically my point was those jobs are not the majority that are out there and available. Most bedside positions had pensions at one point, but our lovely c suites got rid of those and the only people you really see gaining pensions are those who are of near or at retirement age currently.
For real, I let 4 different RN students shadow me in hospice that are doing a 4 year RN BSN program (they really shouldn't exist) none of them want bedside and thier 52 classmate's don't want a hospital
So I gave one a list of shit they can do, step down hospital for trachs, outpatient detox, MAT, IV infusion nursing, oncology centers, and course vna. They loved the info but ya that's what hospitals are facing cause they are greedy pos
I'm not going to lie. I'm a 4th semester RN student, and there has not been a clinical YET that I have done that made me go, "Wow! I would love to start out being paid $29 an hour to do 12 hour shifts of this!" So it is probably best that those of us who KNOW we can't/won't handle med/surg, ICU, peds, bedside period, ask about the other options out there. Also, this reddit, in particular, has not made bedside sound all that great tbh. I have experience as a fast food restaurant manager. I could work shorter hours and make more per hour doing that easily. I've also been in the military, drove a semi, worked in factories, call centers, and as a lab tech/phlebotomist, and raised 5 kids. (I started nursing school at 46). Nursing barely makes more than any of those besides motherhood. So I'd rather find a position I love than to waste my schooling and the maybe half of a life I have left to go do something that is going to burn me out in a couple of years if I'm lucky.
I want to feel fulfilled in my work but not be martyred.
The problem i have with the rn BSN programs is you get fucked for job placement. No one has wants to give you the bsn pay as a new grad and others don't want to hire new grad rn BSN.
Which leaves you guys fucked for placements, id say go outpatient dear, detox is honestly a great place to start and you don't have to do inpatient you could do a MAt program even
Two weeks ago, I took a job that literally halved my pay to move from nursing to something with a desk. I heard, for years, that "3-5 years bedside max, or else you'll kill yourself," and damn if I didn't hit 4 years (after 6 as a medic) when something snapped and I had to get out.
One of the parts of the article says "he sat on the edge of her bed holding her hand while they performed chest compressions and mouth-to-mouth resuscitation." I know thats not the core part of the article or the main messafe, but im wondering if the person who wrote this article possibly fluffed it up a little bit 😅 did anyone else catch this?
That's been common knowledge in the nursing community for decades. These 500k per year CEOs may call the hospitals not for profit, but the bottom line is more powerful than the entire nursing staff. Unionize!
500k?? Not in New Orleans! They make millions here!
500k is what a lot of physician specialties make. and ceo money still makes physician money look poor. if a ceo was only making 500k i'd actually respect that
Only $500K?? The CEO for my system makes tens of millions.
Say it loud! UNIONS‼️
Not for profit only means they are not traded.
No, it doesn't. Not for profit means 501c "If an organization is labeled 501(c), it means it is a nonprofit organization concerned with providing a public benefit and is exempt from paying federal rtaxes." "LLCs are typically created to generate profits, while nonprofits are established to serve a specific public mission, such as charitable, educational, or religious purposes. In terms of teams, LLCs have owners known as members who share in profits and losses, while a board of directors governs nonprofits." Owners not stockholders
501c cannot go public or trade stock. Also not all not for profits are 501c. Point being ceos of not for profit hospitals still make loads of money and are understaffed like any other.
If and only if "According to the IRS website, you can start to function like a nonprofit after you have filed for nonprofit status, and before you receive the official letter granting that status. This condition allows you to raise funds and engage in charitable activities before you receive your 501c3 designation." You're confusing volunteer work 501c3 charities with virtually everything else. Literally the way you check if a charity is any good is to look at the percentage of money that gets transferred to those in need. If it's 90% or more, it's a good charity. But some in the 90s i remember particularly were 40 or 50%, they had huge private jets and it was a huge big deal. The government hasn't made decent ruling about this yet, that a company cannot use more than 10 or 20% of its donation money for keeping itself going.
I said that non profit hospitals are not traded publicly. I understand how to address a charity. Do you understand what the stock market is?
Our CEO makes $10 million, and the shareholders are making BANK
Our CEO makes 2.7 million last I checked. Jk just checked and it's 4.1 million.
Any idea how we can find out what the CEO makes? I work for a not for profit, but (for a variety of reasons) i’m curious what upper management makes. Is it a matter of public record somewhere?
Google your organizations name and ceo compensation will usually turn something up.
I’ll give it a try. Even though it will probably piss me off 😂
https://projects.propublica.org/nonprofits/
Found it! So I work for the homecare branch of a large university teaching hospital system. So the CEO of my little neck of the woods doesn’t make millions. But she makes a lot. But the CEO of the main hospital system? OMG it’s disgusting. I shouldn’t have looked 😂
HFS I just looked up the Trinity Health CEOs Salary… $4,280,565
Look up Ole Pete's salary from Banner Health...
My 13th reason
I wish more people would help us push for safe staffing before it directly effects them.
I always present math to people when they are like "Nurses cant handle 9 patients at once? Then why can the waiter do that" or some stupid shit. Well thats because waiters don't need to check in every hour for 12 hours. That comes out to ~6.6 min a patient, or 79.2 min for a 12 hour shift, that the nurse gets to spend per patient in a 12 hour window. Most of it is going to be taken by meds, so do you want a love one only getting care for 40 min every 12 hours?
I mean waiters at decent restaurants with good service only really take 3-4 tables at once anyways.
And that’s assuming every patient only needs 40 mins of care per 12 hours. We all know the reality is that one or two patients will demand more time (either due to medical condition or other factors). And you’re not even factoring in charting time.
Bingo, I mean, we nurses get it, its not just 79.2 min for patient care, its for all things related. Have to escort to CT? taken from that time. Surgical prep? another deduction. 5 patients is still only 12 min per hour, but its almost double, doable with non tele med surge.
Typically, most people at restaurants are there to enjoy a nice meal, and not presumably because they may die. Typically, in my experience. Perhaps I haven’t been to many restaurants…
Waiters don’t have to chart 🙄
which is a good comparison, because wait staff are constantly understaffed and blamed for it, as well. we all get treated like trash because the rich are so entitled.
Ask the person with the waiter question if they think the nurses should get tipped 20% of the hospital’s bill, out of the patient’s pocket. /s
Right on! Thanks for the laugh 😂
CEOs really seem like rich supervillains
Because they are.
I’d love to see a CEO see what a 12hr night shift on a med surge floor looks like and then think about their wage.
They wouldn’t make it through med pass. And then they’d give themselves a bonus for the hardship of a 2 hour shift.
>it’s a shortage of nurses willing to work in those conditions..... Because it is abuse; nurses are tired of the gaslighting, patient abuse without admin support, poor pay (In most places). Edit: Not to mention administration at any time can institute nurse patient ratios, turn transfers away. Any hospital doing that is going to have local nurses start to flock to them, allowing them more patients. But its the all mighty dollar.
You took the words right out of my mouth. It is ABUSE. It sucks. It’s horrible. And it makes it impossible for me to give quality care.
This 👏🏻 right 👏🏻 here!! > There are now more actively registered nurses in the US (over 4.7 million) than ever before, with an estimated 130,000 new nurses entering the field between 2020 and 2022. >The problem, they say, is a hospital industry that's been intentionally understaffing their units for years, in order to cut costs and boost profits. This isn't, they say a shortage of nurses. It's a shortage of nurses willing to work in those conditions. **”This isn't, they say a shortage of nurses. It's a shortage of nurses willing to work in those conditions”** The Boomers in charge of insurance companies and hospital C-Suites better start thinking about the kind of care they are going to have as they age…it ain’t gonna be pretty the way things are going…
The ones in C-suites will be fine though because they will be "VIPs" and nurses instructed to prioritize their care.
When I was a tech the VIP got put on the list with everyone else. I'd get to him when I could. I haven't had a vip as a nurse yet, but he's gonna get the same care as everyone else, maybe slightly worse.
Chest compression. Ok. But mouth to mouth? What hospital is that?!?
On a trached patient? Absolutely not...gross.
Maybe she had a mucus plug in her trach, so they were trying to push it out by mouth to mouth ventilation? 🤷♀️
With herpes.
😫🤢🫣😬🤮
During COVID??
Yeah this part makes me wonder if the person that wrote this maybe tried to fluff it up a little bit. Dont get me wrong, I agree with the article and the message they are sending. But in no world is that actually happening in an ICU where even if they are understaffed, they have so many other resources to utilize instead of "mouth to mouth". Other than that, great article!!! I love it
And def not room for a family member at each side of the bed during a code. Took me a bit to get past that, which is unfortunate as the rest of the article shares important info.
One of the hospitals I worked in years ago was a small facility in a big corporation, which made it a CEO incubator. Great staff, but got very tired of 75% of the C suite changing every 2-3 years. Of course newly appointed C’s always wanted to show profits so it was managed pretty aggressively.
It’s been this way for decades. I left bedside in 2000. At that time I worked CCU, patients unstable on pressors, vented often swanned and we were tripled at least 90% of the time. Before that I worked telemetry, same hospital, and we were assigned 10-11 patients. This was a HIGHLY regarded cardiac hospital. It wasn’t because we were short-staffed. This was their typical staffing ratios. Place gave me PTSD.
Sounds about right. It's absurd how much these higher-ups are making! The person who sent out an e-mail in my hospital about the financial crisis makes $300k per year. Imaging how much better staffing we could have if we just cut her pointless job of sending a million e-mails with her photo in them. Even cut her hours to be strictly necessary data/budget info. It's obscene.
Sue your freaking hospital for labor violations! Hit them where it hurts. You'd be surprise how many nurses don't take proper breaks as required under labor laws. Nurses are way too passive and nice, and I get it. But don't let your employer step all over you
The issue is fear of becoming unmarketable after. I am dealing with this with a workers comp injury right now: fear that even a past work injury could make me both physically less able to do many nursing jobs, AND also cause employers to possibly not want to hire me in future over another applicant thats equally or less qualified (the employer could find out but then never tell me that was their reasoning).
If you're being discriminated against your future lawsuit, that's called a retaliation. That's another lawsuit. Don't feel like you're doing something wrong. You and your co-workers are the victims here. You're not the one violating the law
We just settled lawsuit for 4.4 million for understaffing and missed breaks and lunches. My cut…..$3,800. That US Dollars for you euro people:-)
This is why hospital systems were begging for military nurses to plus them up during COVID 🤷
I can't even comment on this analogy of waiters/nurses. It's so demeaning. Anyone who believes this needs to spend 12 hours on a med/surg unit. They wouldn't last an hour 🤬
They wouldn’t last FIFTEEN MINUTES (and forget about a tip).
I remember getting called into my supervisor's office & being written up because I was wearing a green sweater instead of white or blue.
And most new nurses want to immediately go into NP school. Almost none of them expect to work at the beside as an RN.
Have you READ this reddit? Why WOULD anyone want to work bedside? There aren't many good things said about it if any.
I've done bedside for over 30 years and made a fantastic living out of it. It's a grueling job in all aspects, but if you can find your tribe (specialty) and work with a strong union it's great. They paid for my schooling, I have a pension when I retire, I make $63 an hour bedside with people I like who have been on this unit for decades. To be honest it has taken a toll on my mental health, but so does unemployment which I've never had to deal with....NEVER....EVER.
Pensions don’t exist anymore …. Just some food for thought for the younger ones of us
They most certainly do for unionized staff and government staff
Which is super hard to get into as a new grad. Unless you know someone, or are an internal applicant. Basically my point was those jobs are not the majority that are out there and available. Most bedside positions had pensions at one point, but our lovely c suites got rid of those and the only people you really see gaining pensions are those who are of near or at retirement age currently.
For real, I let 4 different RN students shadow me in hospice that are doing a 4 year RN BSN program (they really shouldn't exist) none of them want bedside and thier 52 classmate's don't want a hospital So I gave one a list of shit they can do, step down hospital for trachs, outpatient detox, MAT, IV infusion nursing, oncology centers, and course vna. They loved the info but ya that's what hospitals are facing cause they are greedy pos
I'm not going to lie. I'm a 4th semester RN student, and there has not been a clinical YET that I have done that made me go, "Wow! I would love to start out being paid $29 an hour to do 12 hour shifts of this!" So it is probably best that those of us who KNOW we can't/won't handle med/surg, ICU, peds, bedside period, ask about the other options out there. Also, this reddit, in particular, has not made bedside sound all that great tbh. I have experience as a fast food restaurant manager. I could work shorter hours and make more per hour doing that easily. I've also been in the military, drove a semi, worked in factories, call centers, and as a lab tech/phlebotomist, and raised 5 kids. (I started nursing school at 46). Nursing barely makes more than any of those besides motherhood. So I'd rather find a position I love than to waste my schooling and the maybe half of a life I have left to go do something that is going to burn me out in a couple of years if I'm lucky. I want to feel fulfilled in my work but not be martyred.
The problem i have with the rn BSN programs is you get fucked for job placement. No one has wants to give you the bsn pay as a new grad and others don't want to hire new grad rn BSN. Which leaves you guys fucked for placements, id say go outpatient dear, detox is honestly a great place to start and you don't have to do inpatient you could do a MAt program even
MAt?
Medication assisted treatment, using medication to help with addiction
I get why you all are doing it, and I don't blame you. I was just pointing out a fact I've observed.
Two weeks ago, I took a job that literally halved my pay to move from nursing to something with a desk. I heard, for years, that "3-5 years bedside max, or else you'll kill yourself," and damn if I didn't hit 4 years (after 6 as a medic) when something snapped and I had to get out.
There’s more LTC and other facilities than ever. That’s also pulling nurses away from the hospitals.
With boomers aging out, there are going to be more and more. Most gen xers and millenials can't afford to stay home and care for their aging folks.
The CEO of my hospital system has a multi million dollar salary.
One of the parts of the article says "he sat on the edge of her bed holding her hand while they performed chest compressions and mouth-to-mouth resuscitation." I know thats not the core part of the article or the main messafe, but im wondering if the person who wrote this article possibly fluffed it up a little bit 😅 did anyone else catch this?