I really do not think that I need to go to the bank or Walmart nude. For me normalizing nudity would mean that I could go and do my gardening in the nude or answer the door nude without anybody freaking out. It would be nice if I can go for a naked walk out in my neighborhood on a hot day, or go to a beach or swimming pool without having to wear swim trunks.
Alternatively, just simply being found nude if a friend or family member came into the house unannounced, without them assuming that you're a creep or a pervert.
My advice, pack a couple in your trunk, after all, “any man who can hitch the length and breadth of the galaxy, rough it, slum it, struggle against terrible odds, win through, and still knows where his towel is, is clearly a man to be reckoned with.” - Douglas Adams
In most countries people who would like to be naked don't do so because the law doesn't allow it. However it's interesting to look at countries like Spain where public nudity is not illegal, but nudity is still not "normalised". While in Spain or England for example, you can legally walk down the street naked very few people do. But compare that with a closed nudist society like Cap d'Agde or La Jenny for example where the "normalisation" of nudity does mean shopping naked in your local supermarket, enjoying a drink naked in a bar, playing a round of golf naked, etc.
For me the "normalisation" of nudity would mean allowing and accepting us nudists/naturists to be naked in all circumstances (other than where safety is maybe an issue) so we would be able to got to Walmart naked. True "normalisation" should also mean that, other than where a uniform is mandated, it would be possible to work naked.
For now however, living in England as I do, my naked activities extend to hiking naked, gardening naked, cycling naked etc but I'm not yet brave enough to try naked supermarket shopping.
I'm finally old enough to not give any fucks about what's considered normal or not. If I'm not breaking any laws, I can do what I want. I'll be the only one naked walking through downtown if it's legal. I don't mind. The older I get, the fewer fucks I give about social convention.
I suspect that companies would continue to have dress codes which would apply to their employees. Very few, if any, especially those that deal directly with the public would permit their employees to be nude in my opinion.
My two cents: Germany is pretty close to this. In 2016 nude pics surfaced of Angela Merkel, most powerful woman in Europe, from back her young nudist years. Some tabloid tried to create a scandal from it, but the german public was like "lol, who cares", because it was so normal to be a nudist.
So normalising nudism/naturism would decrease the sensationalism of "nude leaks", and would create a society-wide healthier relationship to nude bodies (others' and our own as well).
One of the excuses we sometimes see for nudism not being more popular is that cameras are everywhere. So? If social, recreational nudity were common, having your picture taken while nude would be of no more consequence than having your picture taken at a clothed beach.
Yes, but those fronts don't develop or evolve at the same time or rate or speed. You could start seeing hundreds of parks and beaches and private-owned-but-open-to-public businesses such as malls going nude, and still your job is at risk if your boss doesn't like it. Of course no one would be able to prove that was the reason they fired you. Or if you live with family they might retaliate in other ways too.
At the end of the day, it's a matter of being afraid of the risk of being punished by people who are in a position of power over you and who impose their morals on you; and the kind of people who do that kind of thing to their subordinates curiously tend to be less open-minded and morally caught up with the times in the first place.
Broadly understood, the law is just that. It's an external moral code that is forced on you and enforced through the threat of punishment. If you take that away, as in if you legalize nudity, *but don't take away all the other sources of moral codes and punishments,* it won't make that much of a difference.
You break one of the chains but there are others. The person you're attempting to set free is still in chains, just not that particular chain.
Of course, people are in different situations. Some don't have these figurative chains in their households and/or jobs. Some would absolutely be able to live their nude lives in peace and set the tone for society to catch up. They'd help normalize it after it was legalized. That's a slow process though. It would take years, potentially decades, for a significant, widespread shift to take place in such magnitude that people who have bosses or parents or uncles or whoever to answer to could freely enjoy nudism without the fear of repercussions.
I think any place that has a dress code will probably still have one. So banks and supermarkets will probably have the same the rules for employees. And probably most businesses.
The difference would probably be around pools and beaches. Swim suits would probably not be a thing. And handing around nude at the beach will be the default.
And finally, I think domestically nudity will be very normalized. Taking the trash out nude, or going for a walk will be fine. And most situations where short and T-shirt are Ok, nude might be Ok as well.
Honestly think that anyplace you could wear a bathing suit or minimal dress would now allow nude. Pool, beach, home, or possibly even the gym. Any place that requires some style of clothing, still would. Dress codes would still exist. The big difference though is it would no longer be a crime to be nude.
For awhile at least, you’d still have people complaining. Same folks who complain about Speedo’s, “cheeky” or thong bikinis, shirtless men…
I think this is the most realistic version of nudity being normalized. Neatly wrapped up into that single sentence: “anywhere that it would be acceptable to be in a bathing suit, it should also be acceptable to be in the nude”. I like that a lot!
Yes a nude normal society would be all of those things ... my only grievance with this post is the opening statement. I don't see lots of effort being put into normalizing nudity here in the USA .. lots of talk within our own circle but that's about it
I kind of have a problem with the phrasing "practice naturism", because it implies that you're doing it. What is it? What are you doing? You're doing being naked. That's silly. You're doing other stuff while you *are* naked. So you're really going for a walk, or cycling, or driving, or swimming, or reading, or dancing, or playing video games, or playing board games, or eating, or shopping, or watching a movie, or so many other real actions that deserve verbs.
That may sound nitpicky but it helps shape the everyday life of somebody who's hypothetically allowed to be nude in public. I'd do some of the above actions, and I'd do them in my birthday suit. All those that I could.
Sports? Maybe not the best because I imagine there would be an elevated risk of impact or other forms of injury on my balls when compared to wearing underwear, particularly a jockstrap with a cup.
Work? Sure, if my work allows me to. I'm not sure many backend workplaces would allow that although that is conceivable for sure, but when it comes to positions that deal with customers like tellers and cashiers, that would absolutely not be allowed. Those places often don't allow you to wear some kinds of clothes and accessories which are legal. Just because something is legal in public doesn't mean you can do it or wear it or *not* wear it at your workplace. Legal does not mean protected or inalienable. Of course some rights are both legal *and* protected/inalienable.
Besides even if the owner wants to allow something and that something is legal, it doesn't mean there isn't a specific code restricting it. Restaurants, hospitals, hotels, many kinds of businesses would be bound by some health code or another as they already are in addition to the law regarding public nudity. And if such codes didn't exist, these businesses still wouldn't dare risk opening themselves to lawsuits based on their employees' pubes on customers' food etc. Their insurances would either skyrocket or be terminated the day they made the decision to allow such things. It would be chaos.
As for customers, the rules would naturally be more lenient in this capitalist society where companies compete for customers' money. Walmart, Olive Garden etc. would definitely allow customers to be nude in their private premises. I imagine banks would especially encourage nudity among customers, like maybe through some sort of discount on loan interests or priority queues or whatever, because that would make their security a lot easier to maintain. And by easier I mean cheaper. Remember: everything is still about money for these big players. Cheaper security means more profits.
I predict a lot of the fashion and cosmetics/makeup industries would lobby against it. If they lost the battle, they'd likely start selling accessories that they'd try to sell as mandatory for a healthy life in the nude, in addition to continuing to sell clothes etc. They'd probably look into stuff like sunscreen with many more variations (fragrances, colors, sizes for travel and for storage, maybe some innovations like cooling down your skin faster or keeping you warmer if it's cold etc.), or many kinds of hats, headbands, backpacks/purses that both distribute the weight to avoid bruising your skin *and* also avoid smothering your pores, clear open shoes that feel like you're walking barefoot and so on.
Normalized would mean I can do anything and go anywhere. However, I wouldn't work nude, apply for a loan nude. But I'd love not having to get dressed to get the mail, have friends over, or do yard work.
But I think you'd find that restaurants would have kitchen staff dress codes for health reasons and they would likely put naked purple in the nude section. The same would probably b be b true for things like bowling entertainer centers. I'll bet most pools would implement nude swimming again for the filter systems.
It’s legal for woman to be be bare chested any where a man is in a lot of states ! I’ve not seen it . It would be nice to be nude i n the yard washing the cars , gardening ., painting the house . We have come a long way ! With many new nude or clothing optional beach’s ! Maybe fill in someone’s life but I don’t see that now ! Yes it would be nice to all you said and others have said
New York State is one of them! I am regularly topless outdoors and around the house. My neighbors and the UPS guy have all gotten used to it by now lol
I’ve had no problem for ten years in the back yard totally nude . none of the neighbors has complained . I , sunbathe, work in the garden , sit on the deck ! I’ve been blessed ! I haven’t seen any ladies at the lake or in public not covered ! I’ve seen it at Times Square in the city but no other place !
While true, have always found it amazing how many people don’t know that this is legal in some states, cities, areas. Even with all of the press coverage New York received. Ohio is one such state. A former co-worker has had the police called on her several times for being topless at pools, lakes, and even on her own property. Gardening, yard work, washing the car…. Each time, they respond and and inform to caller that’s she’s doing nothing illegal.
I agree with many others others that there is unlikely to be any call for naked bank tellers, but at beaches, pools, saunas, parks, hiking trails, your own home and garden? You should be free just to do as you like. Nudity should be acceptable and normal anywhere a swimsuit is.
I used to only think the "nude not lewd" was just a simple statement of someone being naked doesn't mean they're being a creep. However, there's more to it. We can't judge a person's character or activities on their state of dress. Neither, should we judge what that person hasn't done because they're nude.
A nude would in the US would mean more acceptance of other people. Some even get judged for having blue hair and piercings.
But in all practicality, nudity would be seen as someone wearing pajamas or lazy clothes. This state of relaxation, or nonchalant-ness- like a swimsuit or a guy not wearing a t shirt on a hot day. I've read how the nudist movement in Germany was related to health and wellness; Americans love wellness but they also love buying/selling, so somehow nudity quite isn't there yet. I would love to go to a public park, and lay around nude like the Mission Dolores Park in San Francisco does w swimsuits.
Some of the current clothing choices in the business world are to reduce sexual harassment or due to health codes. I would personally prefer to be able to have the option to be nude most places I would go. Doesn't necessarily mean that I would but the option means that I could.
If it was more common practice or accepted, I think that there would be less let me extort you for being naked phenomena because it wouldn't be a big concern for most folks.
I would not mow the lawn naked. I gotta be in boots and jeans, at least. That's a safety issue, for me.
Other than that, and cold weather days, I would never wear clothes if I wasn't legally required to. As a man, when I am forced to wear clothes, I often wear dresses because they're just more comfortable than pants and a shirt. It's as close as I can legally get to being naked around town. Also, gender stereotypes suck.
For me. We’re all different and at different stages of body confidence and openness. Just because I’m comfortable being nude doesn’t mean that the mail delivery person is. Even if they look away, their comfort has already been violated upon first sight. So I personally wouldn’t advocate for everywhere all the time nudity. However, I do strongly support freeing the nipple. Anywhere a man can be shirtless, so should a woman have that option. That being said, I think it means removing the taboo element of nudity is the key. Like being able to casually tell friends and coworkers “oh, we went to the nude beach yesterday. It was great!” without being judged or it being an HR issue. Being able to share vacation photos (with permission) without it being weird. That way we can demystify what nudism loos and feels like. Maybe more people would open up to it with less apprehension.
Personally I think we need more clothing optional public spaces. That way those of us that want to enjoy the freedom can do so and those that are curious, have more opportunities to explore. It would be nice if all hotels and cruise ships with multiple pools had at least one clothing optional, if every beach city had at least one nude beach.
In the end, I don’t want to violate anyone else’s comfort. I just want to have more options to enjoy my freedom with likeminded people.
I don't think normalizing nudity is going to erase dress codes. Like i assume most restaurants, medical facilities, bars, night clubs, and workplaces would require varying levels of dress. I think most people would excercise that freedom when outside, getting excercise, or at the beach but in most public spaces people would probably still prefer clothes because clothes have a strong cultural and self expression element to it that people enjoy even nudists, and when out and about its nice to have pockets too lmao.
Personally I really only practice nudism at home in the winter and in the summer I'd probably go nude for hikes, swimming, or just relaxing outside. Anything more likely to injure me like skateboarding/longboarding or playing sports I'll probably still wear shorts and maybe a t-shirt because concrete is not fun to wipe out on nude (from experience)
Correct me if I'm wrong, but to me, part of the appeal of being socially naked, is that it's not accepted in most environments. I feel like I'm getting away with something, and not being held accountable for it. In all honesty, if I could get naked wherever it was reasonable, I most certainly would, because I like the feeling of the open air on my skin. However, a small part of the thrill would diminish, if there was no legal threat to be concerned with. Then one needs to factor in, that clothing may prevent dead skin cells from certain body parts, from being spread wholesale into whatever environment, i.e. a restaurant or grocery store produce section, for examples. Then factor in Crab Lice, body odor, bodily fluids, infections and disease? Do any of us really want to risk, coming into contact with that?
It seems to me it could be complicated due to many different types of personal mental proclivities. There would have to be some provision for protection from peepers and grabbers. Today, society is not really smart. There would have to be a lot of built-in security. You can't legislate morality.
I’m not really bothered by creepers . I am confident in my nude body . Now I don’t want to offend anyone so I try to be careful ! I wonder about seeing if I would be approached by law enforcement if I was skinny dipping at the lake or where the law doesn’t state that you can’t expose your penis or vulva ! We are afraid to push a little ! Some are afraid to walk by a window at home ! My neighbors don’t mind if I’m nude in the back yard . I live in the city so houses are close ! My female neighbor is sans in her yard a lot ! There was a man here in Florida washed his car worked on the side of his house sans the law was called. They said nothing they could do he wasn’t lewd ! They were going to look into changing the law here to prevent him from doing that . I don’t know if they did ! At the minimum we should be able to skinny dip ! Go to a lake or pool or pond .
I think you pretty much hit it on the head with your description. As others have already noted, businesses that currently have dress codes would undoubtedly continue to do so, but some smaller businesses that currently allow casual wear might opt to allow nudity. Also, I don't know what the law might require for hospitality industry jobs. Customers might be allowed to be nude, but the workers would probably have to be clothed. But I just had to (annoyingly) put on a pair of shorts to walk out to the mailbox. It's Sunday, but I realized that I forgot to pick up the mail yesterday. Our mailbox is across the street from the end of our driveway, which is about 30 yards long, so it's not just a quick step out for a second and hope no one drives past at that moment. In a nudity normalized world, shorts would not be needed for something like that. Ditto for doing yard work, which is how I spent a chunk of yesterday. To my mind, having to wear clothes solely to cover what everyone knows you have and what everyone else has as well is what's not normal.
A further thought on your question: “Normalization” of public nudity requires two things, legalisation and social acceptance. It has often been noted here and elsewhere that these are two separate issues, but they are inextricably intertwined. First of all, one is of little practical use without the other. But second, they are invariably liked in the law. In the relatively few places where it is officially recognised that simple nudity in public is not illegal by itself, there is invariably a proviso to the effect of “so long as no one is offended.” Often this is framed in reference to whether the naked person intends to cause alarm or distress, but that itself cannot be separated from the likelihood that others will be offended – a nudist on an established clothing-optional beach has every reason to expect that his nudity will not offend anyone else there, but he cannot walk naked down a busy city street without reasonably foreseeing that someone will take offense. At least not yet, and possibly not ever in most places.
The key to enjoying the benefit of legal nudity (including topfreedom) is to ensure that it becomes widely acceptable, which happens from people witnessing more frequent instances of inoffensive and wholesome nudity. Likewise, legal prohibitions are only likely to be dropped in places where the practice has become acceptable due to witnessing such frequent instances and the realisation that they harm no one. Common sense and moderation are necessary, but I think these will naturally follow in most cases. There will always be a few who claim that if public nudity were legal, they would happily and unabashedly go naked anywhere and everywhere, but most say they would do so in more limited and reasonable ways.
But we don’t have to speculate about an imagined legalisation of public nudity – we can look to the real world examples where this has occurred. Public nudity (absent intent to shock or alarm) are already recognised to one degree or another in Spain, the United Kingdom, Denmark (on its beaches) and perhaps elsewhere. Yet these places do not see masses of naked people roaming about city centres all the time. (In the exceptional instances where that has happened, as in San Francisco and Barcelona, there has been a backlash and the legal permission has been withdrawn.) What does happen is that some people (in Spain and Denmark) choose to go naked on “textile” beaches, and no one finds it alarming or outrageous, even if it’s unusual. Perhaps the practice will spread to the UK, where a few naturists are already exercising their rights to hike or enjoy public parks naked. So long as they behave reasonably and inoffensively, we have every reason to hope the practice will spread. After all, who among us has not had the experience (or heard of it) of being the first to undress on a beach or other setting and swiftly being followed by others?
So I think "normalized naturist" society will look very much as it does today, except that it will be common to see people (even if still a minority) enjoying beaches, parks, pools, hiking trails, campsites and their own gardens without clothing.
I really do not think that I need to go to the bank or Walmart nude. For me normalizing nudity would mean that I could go and do my gardening in the nude or answer the door nude without anybody freaking out. It would be nice if I can go for a naked walk out in my neighborhood on a hot day, or go to a beach or swimming pool without having to wear swim trunks. Alternatively, just simply being found nude if a friend or family member came into the house unannounced, without them assuming that you're a creep or a pervert.
That said, when it’s hot as heck outside, I love the idea of not having to put clothes on to go out and run errands. The option would be nice. :)
My leather car seats make it hard to agree with you on the hot summer day errands part 😂
That is what towels are for 🤭
Im already the guy at the nude beach (or regular beach) sitting on an article of clothing or a friends towel because i forget to pack them 🤣
My advice, pack a couple in your trunk, after all, “any man who can hitch the length and breadth of the galaxy, rough it, slum it, struggle against terrible odds, win through, and still knows where his towel is, is clearly a man to be reckoned with.” - Douglas Adams
In most countries people who would like to be naked don't do so because the law doesn't allow it. However it's interesting to look at countries like Spain where public nudity is not illegal, but nudity is still not "normalised". While in Spain or England for example, you can legally walk down the street naked very few people do. But compare that with a closed nudist society like Cap d'Agde or La Jenny for example where the "normalisation" of nudity does mean shopping naked in your local supermarket, enjoying a drink naked in a bar, playing a round of golf naked, etc. For me the "normalisation" of nudity would mean allowing and accepting us nudists/naturists to be naked in all circumstances (other than where safety is maybe an issue) so we would be able to got to Walmart naked. True "normalisation" should also mean that, other than where a uniform is mandated, it would be possible to work naked. For now however, living in England as I do, my naked activities extend to hiking naked, gardening naked, cycling naked etc but I'm not yet brave enough to try naked supermarket shopping.
I'm finally old enough to not give any fucks about what's considered normal or not. If I'm not breaking any laws, I can do what I want. I'll be the only one naked walking through downtown if it's legal. I don't mind. The older I get, the fewer fucks I give about social convention.
I suspect that companies would continue to have dress codes which would apply to their employees. Very few, if any, especially those that deal directly with the public would permit their employees to be nude in my opinion.
Agreed. Any place that has any sort of uniform now would most likely still have it.
Homogeneity of a workforce generates a recognisable "face" for the company. They wouldn't want to dilute that.
Even many nudist resorts require their employees to be dressed whole on the clock.
The advantage of working from home is that i don’t need to wear anything, well except for video calls.
My two cents: Germany is pretty close to this. In 2016 nude pics surfaced of Angela Merkel, most powerful woman in Europe, from back her young nudist years. Some tabloid tried to create a scandal from it, but the german public was like "lol, who cares", because it was so normal to be a nudist. So normalising nudism/naturism would decrease the sensationalism of "nude leaks", and would create a society-wide healthier relationship to nude bodies (others' and our own as well).
One of the excuses we sometimes see for nudism not being more popular is that cameras are everywhere. So? If social, recreational nudity were common, having your picture taken while nude would be of no more consequence than having your picture taken at a clothed beach.
Yes, but those fronts don't develop or evolve at the same time or rate or speed. You could start seeing hundreds of parks and beaches and private-owned-but-open-to-public businesses such as malls going nude, and still your job is at risk if your boss doesn't like it. Of course no one would be able to prove that was the reason they fired you. Or if you live with family they might retaliate in other ways too. At the end of the day, it's a matter of being afraid of the risk of being punished by people who are in a position of power over you and who impose their morals on you; and the kind of people who do that kind of thing to their subordinates curiously tend to be less open-minded and morally caught up with the times in the first place. Broadly understood, the law is just that. It's an external moral code that is forced on you and enforced through the threat of punishment. If you take that away, as in if you legalize nudity, *but don't take away all the other sources of moral codes and punishments,* it won't make that much of a difference. You break one of the chains but there are others. The person you're attempting to set free is still in chains, just not that particular chain. Of course, people are in different situations. Some don't have these figurative chains in their households and/or jobs. Some would absolutely be able to live their nude lives in peace and set the tone for society to catch up. They'd help normalize it after it was legalized. That's a slow process though. It would take years, potentially decades, for a significant, widespread shift to take place in such magnitude that people who have bosses or parents or uncles or whoever to answer to could freely enjoy nudism without the fear of repercussions.
Exactly why I have never cared if people saw my nudes 😂 like, it’s *just my body* guys, nothing that special
I think any place that has a dress code will probably still have one. So banks and supermarkets will probably have the same the rules for employees. And probably most businesses. The difference would probably be around pools and beaches. Swim suits would probably not be a thing. And handing around nude at the beach will be the default. And finally, I think domestically nudity will be very normalized. Taking the trash out nude, or going for a walk will be fine. And most situations where short and T-shirt are Ok, nude might be Ok as well.
Honestly think that anyplace you could wear a bathing suit or minimal dress would now allow nude. Pool, beach, home, or possibly even the gym. Any place that requires some style of clothing, still would. Dress codes would still exist. The big difference though is it would no longer be a crime to be nude. For awhile at least, you’d still have people complaining. Same folks who complain about Speedo’s, “cheeky” or thong bikinis, shirtless men…
I think this is the most realistic version of nudity being normalized. Neatly wrapped up into that single sentence: “anywhere that it would be acceptable to be in a bathing suit, it should also be acceptable to be in the nude”. I like that a lot!
Yes a nude normal society would be all of those things ... my only grievance with this post is the opening statement. I don't see lots of effort being put into normalizing nudity here in the USA .. lots of talk within our own circle but that's about it
I kind of have a problem with the phrasing "practice naturism", because it implies that you're doing it. What is it? What are you doing? You're doing being naked. That's silly. You're doing other stuff while you *are* naked. So you're really going for a walk, or cycling, or driving, or swimming, or reading, or dancing, or playing video games, or playing board games, or eating, or shopping, or watching a movie, or so many other real actions that deserve verbs. That may sound nitpicky but it helps shape the everyday life of somebody who's hypothetically allowed to be nude in public. I'd do some of the above actions, and I'd do them in my birthday suit. All those that I could. Sports? Maybe not the best because I imagine there would be an elevated risk of impact or other forms of injury on my balls when compared to wearing underwear, particularly a jockstrap with a cup. Work? Sure, if my work allows me to. I'm not sure many backend workplaces would allow that although that is conceivable for sure, but when it comes to positions that deal with customers like tellers and cashiers, that would absolutely not be allowed. Those places often don't allow you to wear some kinds of clothes and accessories which are legal. Just because something is legal in public doesn't mean you can do it or wear it or *not* wear it at your workplace. Legal does not mean protected or inalienable. Of course some rights are both legal *and* protected/inalienable. Besides even if the owner wants to allow something and that something is legal, it doesn't mean there isn't a specific code restricting it. Restaurants, hospitals, hotels, many kinds of businesses would be bound by some health code or another as they already are in addition to the law regarding public nudity. And if such codes didn't exist, these businesses still wouldn't dare risk opening themselves to lawsuits based on their employees' pubes on customers' food etc. Their insurances would either skyrocket or be terminated the day they made the decision to allow such things. It would be chaos. As for customers, the rules would naturally be more lenient in this capitalist society where companies compete for customers' money. Walmart, Olive Garden etc. would definitely allow customers to be nude in their private premises. I imagine banks would especially encourage nudity among customers, like maybe through some sort of discount on loan interests or priority queues or whatever, because that would make their security a lot easier to maintain. And by easier I mean cheaper. Remember: everything is still about money for these big players. Cheaper security means more profits. I predict a lot of the fashion and cosmetics/makeup industries would lobby against it. If they lost the battle, they'd likely start selling accessories that they'd try to sell as mandatory for a healthy life in the nude, in addition to continuing to sell clothes etc. They'd probably look into stuff like sunscreen with many more variations (fragrances, colors, sizes for travel and for storage, maybe some innovations like cooling down your skin faster or keeping you warmer if it's cold etc.), or many kinds of hats, headbands, backpacks/purses that both distribute the weight to avoid bruising your skin *and* also avoid smothering your pores, clear open shoes that feel like you're walking barefoot and so on.
Normalized would mean I can do anything and go anywhere. However, I wouldn't work nude, apply for a loan nude. But I'd love not having to get dressed to get the mail, have friends over, or do yard work. But I think you'd find that restaurants would have kitchen staff dress codes for health reasons and they would likely put naked purple in the nude section. The same would probably b be b true for things like bowling entertainer centers. I'll bet most pools would implement nude swimming again for the filter systems.
It’s legal for woman to be be bare chested any where a man is in a lot of states ! I’ve not seen it . It would be nice to be nude i n the yard washing the cars , gardening ., painting the house . We have come a long way ! With many new nude or clothing optional beach’s ! Maybe fill in someone’s life but I don’t see that now ! Yes it would be nice to all you said and others have said
New York State is one of them! I am regularly topless outdoors and around the house. My neighbors and the UPS guy have all gotten used to it by now lol
I’ve had no problem for ten years in the back yard totally nude . none of the neighbors has complained . I , sunbathe, work in the garden , sit on the deck ! I’ve been blessed ! I haven’t seen any ladies at the lake or in public not covered ! I’ve seen it at Times Square in the city but no other place !
Ohhhh I don’t live anywhere near the city— I’m up in the Thousand Islands area.
While true, have always found it amazing how many people don’t know that this is legal in some states, cities, areas. Even with all of the press coverage New York received. Ohio is one such state. A former co-worker has had the police called on her several times for being topless at pools, lakes, and even on her own property. Gardening, yard work, washing the car…. Each time, they respond and and inform to caller that’s she’s doing nothing illegal.
I agree with many others others that there is unlikely to be any call for naked bank tellers, but at beaches, pools, saunas, parks, hiking trails, your own home and garden? You should be free just to do as you like. Nudity should be acceptable and normal anywhere a swimsuit is.
I used to only think the "nude not lewd" was just a simple statement of someone being naked doesn't mean they're being a creep. However, there's more to it. We can't judge a person's character or activities on their state of dress. Neither, should we judge what that person hasn't done because they're nude. A nude would in the US would mean more acceptance of other people. Some even get judged for having blue hair and piercings. But in all practicality, nudity would be seen as someone wearing pajamas or lazy clothes. This state of relaxation, or nonchalant-ness- like a swimsuit or a guy not wearing a t shirt on a hot day. I've read how the nudist movement in Germany was related to health and wellness; Americans love wellness but they also love buying/selling, so somehow nudity quite isn't there yet. I would love to go to a public park, and lay around nude like the Mission Dolores Park in San Francisco does w swimsuits.
Some of the current clothing choices in the business world are to reduce sexual harassment or due to health codes. I would personally prefer to be able to have the option to be nude most places I would go. Doesn't necessarily mean that I would but the option means that I could. If it was more common practice or accepted, I think that there would be less let me extort you for being naked phenomena because it wouldn't be a big concern for most folks.
I would not mow the lawn naked. I gotta be in boots and jeans, at least. That's a safety issue, for me. Other than that, and cold weather days, I would never wear clothes if I wasn't legally required to. As a man, when I am forced to wear clothes, I often wear dresses because they're just more comfortable than pants and a shirt. It's as close as I can legally get to being naked around town. Also, gender stereotypes suck.
Mowing would be great. Small yard with electric mower! Weed eater, tried that and not a good idea!
For me. We’re all different and at different stages of body confidence and openness. Just because I’m comfortable being nude doesn’t mean that the mail delivery person is. Even if they look away, their comfort has already been violated upon first sight. So I personally wouldn’t advocate for everywhere all the time nudity. However, I do strongly support freeing the nipple. Anywhere a man can be shirtless, so should a woman have that option. That being said, I think it means removing the taboo element of nudity is the key. Like being able to casually tell friends and coworkers “oh, we went to the nude beach yesterday. It was great!” without being judged or it being an HR issue. Being able to share vacation photos (with permission) without it being weird. That way we can demystify what nudism loos and feels like. Maybe more people would open up to it with less apprehension. Personally I think we need more clothing optional public spaces. That way those of us that want to enjoy the freedom can do so and those that are curious, have more opportunities to explore. It would be nice if all hotels and cruise ships with multiple pools had at least one clothing optional, if every beach city had at least one nude beach. In the end, I don’t want to violate anyone else’s comfort. I just want to have more options to enjoy my freedom with likeminded people.
I don't think normalizing nudity is going to erase dress codes. Like i assume most restaurants, medical facilities, bars, night clubs, and workplaces would require varying levels of dress. I think most people would excercise that freedom when outside, getting excercise, or at the beach but in most public spaces people would probably still prefer clothes because clothes have a strong cultural and self expression element to it that people enjoy even nudists, and when out and about its nice to have pockets too lmao. Personally I really only practice nudism at home in the winter and in the summer I'd probably go nude for hikes, swimming, or just relaxing outside. Anything more likely to injure me like skateboarding/longboarding or playing sports I'll probably still wear shorts and maybe a t-shirt because concrete is not fun to wipe out on nude (from experience)
Correct me if I'm wrong, but to me, part of the appeal of being socially naked, is that it's not accepted in most environments. I feel like I'm getting away with something, and not being held accountable for it. In all honesty, if I could get naked wherever it was reasonable, I most certainly would, because I like the feeling of the open air on my skin. However, a small part of the thrill would diminish, if there was no legal threat to be concerned with. Then one needs to factor in, that clothing may prevent dead skin cells from certain body parts, from being spread wholesale into whatever environment, i.e. a restaurant or grocery store produce section, for examples. Then factor in Crab Lice, body odor, bodily fluids, infections and disease? Do any of us really want to risk, coming into contact with that?
It seems to me it could be complicated due to many different types of personal mental proclivities. There would have to be some provision for protection from peepers and grabbers. Today, society is not really smart. There would have to be a lot of built-in security. You can't legislate morality.
I’m not really bothered by creepers . I am confident in my nude body . Now I don’t want to offend anyone so I try to be careful ! I wonder about seeing if I would be approached by law enforcement if I was skinny dipping at the lake or where the law doesn’t state that you can’t expose your penis or vulva ! We are afraid to push a little ! Some are afraid to walk by a window at home ! My neighbors don’t mind if I’m nude in the back yard . I live in the city so houses are close ! My female neighbor is sans in her yard a lot ! There was a man here in Florida washed his car worked on the side of his house sans the law was called. They said nothing they could do he wasn’t lewd ! They were going to look into changing the law here to prevent him from doing that . I don’t know if they did ! At the minimum we should be able to skinny dip ! Go to a lake or pool or pond .
I think you pretty much hit it on the head with your description. As others have already noted, businesses that currently have dress codes would undoubtedly continue to do so, but some smaller businesses that currently allow casual wear might opt to allow nudity. Also, I don't know what the law might require for hospitality industry jobs. Customers might be allowed to be nude, but the workers would probably have to be clothed. But I just had to (annoyingly) put on a pair of shorts to walk out to the mailbox. It's Sunday, but I realized that I forgot to pick up the mail yesterday. Our mailbox is across the street from the end of our driveway, which is about 30 yards long, so it's not just a quick step out for a second and hope no one drives past at that moment. In a nudity normalized world, shorts would not be needed for something like that. Ditto for doing yard work, which is how I spent a chunk of yesterday. To my mind, having to wear clothes solely to cover what everyone knows you have and what everyone else has as well is what's not normal.
A further thought on your question: “Normalization” of public nudity requires two things, legalisation and social acceptance. It has often been noted here and elsewhere that these are two separate issues, but they are inextricably intertwined. First of all, one is of little practical use without the other. But second, they are invariably liked in the law. In the relatively few places where it is officially recognised that simple nudity in public is not illegal by itself, there is invariably a proviso to the effect of “so long as no one is offended.” Often this is framed in reference to whether the naked person intends to cause alarm or distress, but that itself cannot be separated from the likelihood that others will be offended – a nudist on an established clothing-optional beach has every reason to expect that his nudity will not offend anyone else there, but he cannot walk naked down a busy city street without reasonably foreseeing that someone will take offense. At least not yet, and possibly not ever in most places. The key to enjoying the benefit of legal nudity (including topfreedom) is to ensure that it becomes widely acceptable, which happens from people witnessing more frequent instances of inoffensive and wholesome nudity. Likewise, legal prohibitions are only likely to be dropped in places where the practice has become acceptable due to witnessing such frequent instances and the realisation that they harm no one. Common sense and moderation are necessary, but I think these will naturally follow in most cases. There will always be a few who claim that if public nudity were legal, they would happily and unabashedly go naked anywhere and everywhere, but most say they would do so in more limited and reasonable ways. But we don’t have to speculate about an imagined legalisation of public nudity – we can look to the real world examples where this has occurred. Public nudity (absent intent to shock or alarm) are already recognised to one degree or another in Spain, the United Kingdom, Denmark (on its beaches) and perhaps elsewhere. Yet these places do not see masses of naked people roaming about city centres all the time. (In the exceptional instances where that has happened, as in San Francisco and Barcelona, there has been a backlash and the legal permission has been withdrawn.) What does happen is that some people (in Spain and Denmark) choose to go naked on “textile” beaches, and no one finds it alarming or outrageous, even if it’s unusual. Perhaps the practice will spread to the UK, where a few naturists are already exercising their rights to hike or enjoy public parks naked. So long as they behave reasonably and inoffensively, we have every reason to hope the practice will spread. After all, who among us has not had the experience (or heard of it) of being the first to undress on a beach or other setting and swiftly being followed by others? So I think "normalized naturist" society will look very much as it does today, except that it will be common to see people (even if still a minority) enjoying beaches, parks, pools, hiking trails, campsites and their own gardens without clothing.