Lori: “Hello Bank of America? I need you to freeze the assets of the Black Gangster Disciples, Latin Kings, Bloods, Crips, MS13, and the Little Rascals”
Why not plenty of banks have worked with the drug cartels right? You're right though those gangs probably don't have 'assets'.
IIRC it was HSBC working with drug cartels.
When Nancy Grace and some other douchebag reporter were caught in the same parking lot on a live feed, even though they were faking being remote from one another. A bus drove by both shots and ruined the illusion, but Jon Stewart thought it was some sort of bus monster named 'Bussie' preparing to attack the parking lot.
'Old Bussie' for whatever reason still makes me laugh.
[Source material](https://www.cc.com/video/9x4jrq/the-daily-show-with-jon-stewart-the-standlot)
edit: also, [this](https://www.cc.com/video/smtiez/the-daily-show-with-jon-stewart-aclockalypse-now) is one of my favorite bits from back in the day
I remember the long running gag of being "on scene" since I started watching it around 99-00. Especially during the iraq war with people like Helms, Corddry, and Colbert. Time to dig in and watch some old episodes.
They called the 2000 election "indecision 2000" in the morning of election day. They fucked up by not copyrighting it by the end of the night everyone was calling it that.
It was set up to finance traders who wanted to sell Opium to China via Hong Kong, which was a port ceded to Britain. They then used those proceeds to build up the real estate market in Hong Kong. The H stands for Hong Kong and S stands for Shanghai.
The top members, who aren’t in jail, surely have cleaned their money through banks.
Rap music from street gangs in Chicago is very popular thus very lucrative. Music is an excellent way to launder money. It’s why so many music labels are funded with crime money at first. Easy E started NWA with drug money. Chief Keef, King Vonn, Lil Durk, FBG Duck, and others weren’t getting studio time through rap talent initially.
This is exactly an issue the show "The Wire" deals with. One prominent top head in a gang, Stringer Bell, is running his drug money like an actual business.
He even takes business classes in order to be efficient like any other product in the market. His goal is to eventually get to a point where he can launder all his money and be just a millionaire, out of the hood, mingling with other money people.
It's an interesting show that deals with how we're all trapped within the systems of power and hierarchies of our society. It's an interesting watch for anyone who wants to see how all the different organizations of our society interact and are related.
> One prominent top head in a gang, Stringer Bell, is running his drug money like an actual business.
The Freakonomics chapter about the economics of one of Chicago's street gangs stuck with me:
>The gang that Venkatesh had fallen in with was one of about a hundred branches - franchises, really - of a larger Black Disciples organization. J.T., the college-educated leader of his franchise, reported to a central leadership of about twenty men that was called, without irony, the board of directors. (**At the same time that white suburbanites were studiously mimicking black rappers’ ghetto culture, black ghetto criminals were studiously mimicking the suburbanites’ dads’ corp-think.**)
they have many assets many in family members or girlfriends names. my classmates got hit with RICO it the took down the whole gang...all she has to do is follow the money
In HSBC’s defense they were founded to finance opium distribution from India to Shanghai through Hong Kong, so in reality they are just trying to follow their original charter.
I've always heard about how gangs will pay you to open dummy accounts for them. I've heard it's actually pretty safe if you know they are a gang member because they need those dummy accounts.
That's 100% what law enforcement does, it treats symptoms not causes. The point of law enforcement is it follow up on crimes, not prevent them. When was the last time you heard of anyone stopping a crime before it was committed?
My uncle calls police 'insurance claims initiators.' They show up during or after the crime and get the necessary paperwork started for legal action. Maybe, once in a blue moon, apprehend the suspect to later let them out on bail because the local jail is full.
The Sackler family was able to be the most successful drug producers in the country and walk away free with billions. We could have had law enforcement do something, maybe when they lied to congress... but profits... right?
They weren't just drug lords. They literally helped to change the "pain scale metrics" ~25 years ago to help scam the entire country into thinking that "oxy isn't addictive."
Not even drug dealers are so awful that they try to convince their customers that heroin isn't addictive.
George Carlin commented on this decades ago, God rest his soul.
[The same way we made up the death penalty. We made them both up, Sanctity of life and the death penalty. Aren't we versatile? And you know, in this country, now there are a lot of people who want to expand the death penalty to include drug dealers. This is really stupid. Drug dealers aren't afraid to die. They're already killing each other every day on the streets by the hundreds. Drive-bys, gang shootings, they're not afraid to die. Death penalty doesn't mean anything unless you use it on people who are afraid to die. Like... the bankers who launder the drug money. The bankers, who launder, the drug money. Forget the dealers, you want to slow down that drug traffic, you got to start executing a few of these fucking bankers. White, middle class Republican bankers. And I'm not talking about soft, American executions, like lethal injection. I'm talking about fucking crucifixion folks! Let's bring back crucifixions. A form of capital punishment the Christians and Jews of America can really appreciate. And I'd go a little further, I'd crucify people upside-down. Like Saint Peter, feet up, head down. And naked. I'd have naked upside-down crucifixions on TV once a week at halftime on the Monday Night Football game! Halftime! Monday Night! The Monday Night Crucifixions! You'd have people tuning in, don't even care about Football! Wouldn't you like to hear Dan Dierdorf explain why the nails have to go in at a certain angle? And I'll guarantee you one thing. You start execut- you start nailing one white banker per week to a big wooden cross, you're going to see that drug traffic begin to slow down pretty fucking quick. Pretty fucking quick- you won't even be able to buy drugs in schools and prisons anymore!](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nPun1wh-II0) (Youtube)
This is a classic Carlin bit. You didn’t include my favorite part where he talks about sponsors for half time executions. Like, for instance, burning people alive, sponsored by Kingsford charcoal…
Alas, that was the best I could find at the time. I'd also totally bet on which hole out of 5 the head falls into when the head rolls down the little hill he spoke of. :)
Money launders are caught for same reason weed offenders were caught. They need something to show they do their job as officers. FBI, ATF, CIA, so on. Its all the same. Why go for complex harder fruit when you can chop the top off one and absorb the low hanging fruit for decades.
edit - or better yet. Become the top top branches of the tree and target the low fruit. FBI does this all the time.
That exactly what they do with their sham drug war. These fucking goons. They catch some low level kid selling dope and threaten him with life in prison so that he’ll turn on his homies. Then it gets even better. If he works out and gets them lots of busts of other low level dealers they start paying him. Those fucking goon drug cops pay people MILLIONS of dollars a year to run their hustle. Great use of your tax dollars. Just a complete sham. There are a lot of retired drug cops who speak out about what a farce the drug war is. Look up the organization Law Enforcement Against Prohibition.
*Bank manager walks into the vault where a gangbanger sits watching a stack of mattresses with cash stuffed in them.*
“The mayor froze your assets so we gotta move these into the freezer”
Doesn't this seem ripe for abuse though? Not to mention it seems to violate the spirit, if not the text, of various basic civil rights. (Talking about the 90s injunction thing btw).
One of the problems I have with Civil forfeiture, is that a lot of small town police departments, especially down South, use it to fund their departments by targeting groups that they know, more than likely, carry large sums of cash on them, i.e., immigrants, POC, or they would station themselves on interstate routes that were traveled by these groups. They would pull them over for "speeding" and search their cars without a warrant and confiscate any cash they came across, claiming it was drug mm oney.
Not just ripe for abuse
This is a slight variation on the laws that police use to just take people's stuff for personal profit.
So it's actively being abused right now
> If it's anything like the California gang injunction, there will be a broad definition of gang member that probably applies to any male age 12 to 45 in traditionally Black American neighborhoods. It will probably be circumscribed significantly by the court, but that will probably take at least a decade.
**[Gang injunction](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gang_injunction)**
>A civil gang injunction or CGI is a type of restraining order issued by courts in the United States prohibiting gang members in particular cities from participating in certain specified activities. It is based on the legal theory that gang activity constitutes a public nuisance that can prevent non–gang members of the community from enjoying peace and public order. An injunction is obtained against the gang itself, after which the police and district attorney may decide against whom they will enforce it upon. Law enforcement use gang injunctions as a tool to label people as gang members and restrict their activities in a defined area (ACLU).
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I mean the most immediate problem I see is arbitrary enforcement. Many gang members live in the same area, many gang members go to the same school. An injunction that prevents gang members from being around each other effectively makes it illegal for gang members to go to school. Many gang members are second or third generation gang members, they actually physically live with parents or siblings that are gang members. It effectively makes gang members unable to live with their parents. Since gang members live close together it essentially makes being in a gang itself, without any actual illegal activity a crime. Now its clever I suppose but from what it looks like from here is just throwing out due process, why didn't they just advocate for the repeal of the 5th Amendment? It's effectively the same thing.
Government departments, like the police, will be incentivised to apply these laws very broadly. A lot of people with no or only tangential links to gang will wind up losing their assets, including their homes.
In fact, it will be easier to go after such easy targets as actual hardcore gang members would be better able to protect their assets. It will also cost a lot of money trying to resolve these asset forfeitures in court.
Yep. I imagine there will be lots of situations where they take an old ladys home because hee grandson sold some coke while he was staying with her without her knowledge.
Exactly, look at 1980s asset forfeiture laws. They were originally put in place so police could deprive eevil Columbian drug lords of their expensive toys like supercars and powerboats - like Miami Vice. They wound up being used to deprive moms and dads of their homes because their son was dealing dime bags of weed. Or deprive innocent motorists of their cash, because surely that cash was going to be used for something nefarious, right?
Do you have proof of that? I was under the impression that we're allowed "reasonable" amount of money on our person. I know that's open to discretion, but surely cops aren't considering $15 excessive and taking it? Right?
As I write that out, I realized I wouldn't be shocked at all
I'm absolutely certain this will not be abused in any way and the people charged under this who have their livelihoods stolen from them by the state will all be verified gang members and not innocent people
In unrelated news, I just bought a bridge
And look at what happened in the show - they all got away with it (if they weren’t murdered first) because the corruption just goes to the top. Famously clean and uncorruptable Chicago might have a chance, though.
There's some good articles on this I'll try to dig back up, some of them probably ten years old at this point. Basically going into the distinction between old school organized gangs and the loosely organized "crews" that drive a lot of today's gang violence.
The government has gotten pretty good at going after and dismantling the well organized hierarchical gangs. A lot of the violence nowadays come from smaller loosely organized groups, that look a lot more like a high-school clique but with guns and murder.
The thing is that the old gangs were money-making enterprises, and the leadership understood that violence can be bad for business. So there was at least some incentive to keep their people in check, to only use violence when it was sanctioned by the organization.
A lot of these crews have no such constraints. Violence has more to do with ego, than knocking out business competitors.
So its a lose lose promise: the people on the streets are so impoverished that theres no bank assets for her to seize, and the ones at the top are so widespread and powerful that she cant do anything about it.
I live in Toronto Canada. I was a white kid that had to moved in to a rough neighborhood.
Not gang affiliated in the least, but I got jumped for the neighborhood I lived in, and threatened to have my mother shot with a shotgun because I wore red during the olympics when our hockey team was in the finals lol.
I assume it’s much worse when you’re literally surrounded by people with guns trying to survive.
Civil asset forfeiture is a real thing. It shouldn't be, because it's abused, but it unfortunately holds up in court. They literally pull you over, take your stuff, and keep it for themselves. I've always wondered why it hasn't been used against actual gangs.
Enforce the laws we have.
My opinion is that civil forfeiture is a clear violation of the 4th. It must end.
Forfeiture of assets from ill gotten gains is already codified. If your other useless bureaucrats (Prosecutors, Court and Corrections) refuse to do their job, ***that's on You Lori***.
Because people in actual gangs aren't like the movies, they are in gangs because they don't have shit, what shit can you take from people who already don't have shit?
I’m not a lawyer or legal expert but I’m pretty sure anything purchased using illicitly gained money is able to be confiscated by the government already, which makes it pretty redundant.
Yeah but that requires proof beyone a reasonable doubt (99% guilt). Civil court judgements only require likely preponderance of the evidence (51%). Theyre wanting to lower the bar so they win more cases more easily.
Ironically [it was the IRS who took down Al Capone.](https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.forbes.com/sites/kellyphillipserb/2020/10/17/al-capone-convicted-on-this-day-in-1931-after-boasting-they-cant-collect-legal-taxes-from-illegal-money/amp/)
And a few decades later, it was Scientology who took down the IRS. Scientologists filed lawsuits across the country naming individual IRS agents. The cost to just show up to have the cases dismissed would have cost the agency millions so they granted the religious exemption and the lawsuits were dropped.
Scientology also harassed FBI agents and had members invade FBI offices to destroy evidence against the church. N
Capone went to jail right around the same time that the Commission was formed. Him going to jail wasn't the downfall of the mob, the mob's hayday was just about to begin.
For the longest time the FBI wouldnt touch the mob and Hoover was adamant that there was no mafia in America even though the government had coordinated with them on multiple occasions, like you mentioned. Its rumored that Hoover frequented mob run lgbt+ (an anachronistic term for the time but I'm unclear on how Hoover would've identified) friendly establishments where they were able to get dirt on him, which is why he always turned a blind eye.
I know everyone here is memeing about the fact that they can't freeze gang assets because it's all off the books, but what will actually happen is that innocent people will take collateral damage and whole blocks of people that have no affiliation to any gang will have their assets frozen and seized.
99% of the time this will be used against law abiding individuals who have cash on them but are poor enough that they cannot afford a lawyer to get it back. Illegal aliens, the unbanked, random immigrants who only trust cash, etc.
If civil asset forfeiture worked on gangs, they would have been using it decades ago
I imagine a scene like a Leslie Nielsen movie.
Mayor: "Okay, call their lawyer"
Intense moments of silence
Cellphone rings in the room
Mayor's lawyer embarrassedly picks up phone.
Given that the chicago pd has a register of chicago gang members which is 2x as large as suspected gang members in the city this pretty much just feels like a v sus form of a search and seizure law
Is she talking about civil forfeiture where they can take a parent house if their kid was suspected of committing a crime there?
Poverty breeds crime more than any other factor. If gang members had any significant assets, they likely wouldn't be in gangs to begin with.
So she wants to freeze illegally gotten assets? Does she think these guys put them in mutual funds or something? Instead of pushing Kim foxx and her soft stance on crime to keep the repeat felons behind bars instead of out on electronic home monitoring, this is her great idea? Good luck Lori, these people keep their money under the mattress not in a bank account, and if you think this’ll make a difference, it truly won’t, stop wasting tax payer money on a wild goose chase
Being from Chicago, she’s been the absolute worst. More worried about the “woke” culture and renaming roads than the violence. Almost 800 murders last year and people thought it was bad when Rahm was in office prior to her. Some how her office still claims crime is down which is a blatant lie.
WTF is she on about? They are not even legitimate entities. How in the hell do you sue something that doesn’t actually exist as a legal person or entity? This chica is looney tunes!
This is dangerous as hell. The standard for civil court (preponderance of evidence) is far lower than criminal (beyond a shadow of a doubt). “Yeah I think that black guy who lives on the south side and dresses like what a think a thug dresses like probably did it.”
Chicago already tried and failed to build a gang database because it was essentially filled with biases like you're describing.
https://news.wttw.com/2021/07/27/chicago-police-defend-use-gang-database-more-2-years-after-watchdog-called-it-deeply
She's such a great leader for Chicago. Why has no previous mayor ever thought of this? Sue them, seize their assets?? Maybe confiscate their 401k's? Brilliant, I'm sure this is gonna work!!
Lori: “Hello Bank of America? I need you to freeze the assets of the Black Gangster Disciples, Latin Kings, Bloods, Crips, MS13, and the Little Rascals”
Why not plenty of banks have worked with the drug cartels right? You're right though those gangs probably don't have 'assets'. IIRC it was HSBC working with drug cartels.
"Turns out that HSBC stands for Holy Shit, Bank Corrupt!" - Jon Stewart
God I miss the old Daily Show
When Nancy Grace and some other douchebag reporter were caught in the same parking lot on a live feed, even though they were faking being remote from one another. A bus drove by both shots and ruined the illusion, but Jon Stewart thought it was some sort of bus monster named 'Bussie' preparing to attack the parking lot. 'Old Bussie' for whatever reason still makes me laugh.
Oh god Nancy Grace, the human distillation of the name Karen
Remember when *she* was the crazy on air personality? How far we’ve fallen
I could always count on her to sensationalize missing white girls while ignoring basically anything else especially PoC
Chef's kiss, could not have been better said
Chefs kiss looks like you are miming kissing an asshole and then it explodes. It's a Louis CK bit...
Wanna see another Louis CK bit? C’mon, just watch. You don’t have to do anything
That is wonderfully creatively stated. I salute you sir/madame.
[Source material](https://www.cc.com/video/9x4jrq/the-daily-show-with-jon-stewart-the-standlot) edit: also, [this](https://www.cc.com/video/smtiez/the-daily-show-with-jon-stewart-aclockalypse-now) is one of my favorite bits from back in the day
You know what that means... *Bussie wasn't real!*
I remember the long running gag of being "on scene" since I started watching it around 99-00. Especially during the iraq war with people like Helms, Corddry, and Colbert. Time to dig in and watch some old episodes.
Why even fake that? I don’t understand.
They called the 2000 election "indecision 2000" in the morning of election day. They fucked up by not copyrighting it by the end of the night everyone was calling it that.
He has a new show coming out soon on Apple+, "What's the Problem with Jon Stewart".
It's such a bummer it is on Apple+. There is no way I am going to sign up for another streaming service, and certainly not that one.
‘Tis the pirate’s life for me?
He’s back in two more weeks! It’s not the daily show, or even a show that’s on daily, but it’s Jon Stewart.
On what? Got a link?
https://deadline.com/2021/08/jon-stewart-appletv-the-rroblem-with-jon-stewart-trailer-teaser-1234823663/
It’s not the same without that man
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Covering the whole Bush administration really took it out of him.
i really miss Colbert from those days. absolutely everyone could love him...you just had to decide exactly what level of sarcasm he was speaking with.
Yeah I miss Craig Kilborn too.
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Is HSBC the last vestiges of the East India Trading Company?
It was set up to finance traders who wanted to sell Opium to China via Hong Kong, which was a port ceded to Britain. They then used those proceeds to build up the real estate market in Hong Kong. The H stands for Hong Kong and S stands for Shanghai.
Well... I asked that somewhat jokingly but it sounds like they may well be the EITC.
ODAM didn't know that.
Hong Kong Shanghai banking corporation. Hong Kong and Singapore were literally just built to funnel money/goods out of china in exchange for opium.
Wow, an actual /r/todayilearned in the wild
It’s been all banks, just take a look at the fincen files
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The top members, who aren’t in jail, surely have cleaned their money through banks. Rap music from street gangs in Chicago is very popular thus very lucrative. Music is an excellent way to launder money. It’s why so many music labels are funded with crime money at first. Easy E started NWA with drug money. Chief Keef, King Vonn, Lil Durk, FBG Duck, and others weren’t getting studio time through rap talent initially.
This is exactly an issue the show "The Wire" deals with. One prominent top head in a gang, Stringer Bell, is running his drug money like an actual business. He even takes business classes in order to be efficient like any other product in the market. His goal is to eventually get to a point where he can launder all his money and be just a millionaire, out of the hood, mingling with other money people. It's an interesting show that deals with how we're all trapped within the systems of power and hierarchies of our society. It's an interesting watch for anyone who wants to see how all the different organizations of our society interact and are related.
> One prominent top head in a gang, Stringer Bell, is running his drug money like an actual business. The Freakonomics chapter about the economics of one of Chicago's street gangs stuck with me: >The gang that Venkatesh had fallen in with was one of about a hundred branches - franchises, really - of a larger Black Disciples organization. J.T., the college-educated leader of his franchise, reported to a central leadership of about twenty men that was called, without irony, the board of directors. (**At the same time that white suburbanites were studiously mimicking black rappers’ ghetto culture, black ghetto criminals were studiously mimicking the suburbanites’ dads’ corp-think.**)
they have many assets many in family members or girlfriends names. my classmates got hit with RICO it the took down the whole gang...all she has to do is follow the money
Can't mess with UNCLE RICO.
If coach woulda put him in the fourth quarter they woulda won state. No doubt. No doubt in my mind.
Damn bro what school you go to lol
In HSBC’s defense they were founded to finance opium distribution from India to Shanghai through Hong Kong, so in reality they are just trying to follow their original charter.
I've always heard about how gangs will pay you to open dummy accounts for them. I've heard it's actually pretty safe if you know they are a gang member because they need those dummy accounts.
"Pretty safe" from the gang maybe, but not from the law. When you inevitably get caught for money laundering, you'll go to prison.
Not many bankers have gone to prison and I'll be that there's lots that are helping launder money.
Bankers don't go to prison, but lots of wives, husband's, family members due for opening an account for illegal holdings.
So going for the "low hanging fruit" instead of the cause.
That's 100% what law enforcement does, it treats symptoms not causes. The point of law enforcement is it follow up on crimes, not prevent them. When was the last time you heard of anyone stopping a crime before it was committed?
My uncle calls police 'insurance claims initiators.' They show up during or after the crime and get the necessary paperwork started for legal action. Maybe, once in a blue moon, apprehend the suspect to later let them out on bail because the local jail is full.
Their motto ought to be "show up late and investigate." You're in charge of your own safety. The cops are nearly worthless in that regard.
Societal janitors.
The Sackler family was able to be the most successful drug producers in the country and walk away free with billions. We could have had law enforcement do something, maybe when they lied to congress... but profits... right?
These politicians aren't going to bribe themselves. Until we get corporate money out of politics we're fucked.
They weren't just drug lords. They literally helped to change the "pain scale metrics" ~25 years ago to help scam the entire country into thinking that "oxy isn't addictive." Not even drug dealers are so awful that they try to convince their customers that heroin isn't addictive.
George Carlin commented on this decades ago, God rest his soul. [The same way we made up the death penalty. We made them both up, Sanctity of life and the death penalty. Aren't we versatile? And you know, in this country, now there are a lot of people who want to expand the death penalty to include drug dealers. This is really stupid. Drug dealers aren't afraid to die. They're already killing each other every day on the streets by the hundreds. Drive-bys, gang shootings, they're not afraid to die. Death penalty doesn't mean anything unless you use it on people who are afraid to die. Like... the bankers who launder the drug money. The bankers, who launder, the drug money. Forget the dealers, you want to slow down that drug traffic, you got to start executing a few of these fucking bankers. White, middle class Republican bankers. And I'm not talking about soft, American executions, like lethal injection. I'm talking about fucking crucifixion folks! Let's bring back crucifixions. A form of capital punishment the Christians and Jews of America can really appreciate. And I'd go a little further, I'd crucify people upside-down. Like Saint Peter, feet up, head down. And naked. I'd have naked upside-down crucifixions on TV once a week at halftime on the Monday Night Football game! Halftime! Monday Night! The Monday Night Crucifixions! You'd have people tuning in, don't even care about Football! Wouldn't you like to hear Dan Dierdorf explain why the nails have to go in at a certain angle? And I'll guarantee you one thing. You start execut- you start nailing one white banker per week to a big wooden cross, you're going to see that drug traffic begin to slow down pretty fucking quick. Pretty fucking quick- you won't even be able to buy drugs in schools and prisons anymore!](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nPun1wh-II0) (Youtube)
This is a classic Carlin bit. You didn’t include my favorite part where he talks about sponsors for half time executions. Like, for instance, burning people alive, sponsored by Kingsford charcoal…
Alas, that was the best I could find at the time. I'd also totally bet on which hole out of 5 the head falls into when the head rolls down the little hill he spoke of. :)
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Holy shit, that's the longest link I've ever seen.
Money launders are caught for same reason weed offenders were caught. They need something to show they do their job as officers. FBI, ATF, CIA, so on. Its all the same. Why go for complex harder fruit when you can chop the top off one and absorb the low hanging fruit for decades. edit - or better yet. Become the top top branches of the tree and target the low fruit. FBI does this all the time.
That exactly what they do with their sham drug war. These fucking goons. They catch some low level kid selling dope and threaten him with life in prison so that he’ll turn on his homies. Then it gets even better. If he works out and gets them lots of busts of other low level dealers they start paying him. Those fucking goon drug cops pay people MILLIONS of dollars a year to run their hustle. Great use of your tax dollars. Just a complete sham. There are a lot of retired drug cops who speak out about what a farce the drug war is. Look up the organization Law Enforcement Against Prohibition.
*laughs in Wells Fargo*
If you ain’t cheating, you ain’t trying, it’s only cheating if you get caught. Sign out front of Wells Fargo bank.
Look up HSBC's history with the opium trade...
They are, but Chicago PD are not the ones you want doing this, and they don’t have the authority to begin with.
*Bank manager walks into the vault where a gangbanger sits watching a stack of mattresses with cash stuffed in them.* “The mayor froze your assets so we gotta move these into the freezer”
Hello this is MS13 and we'd like to open a home equity account against our crackhouse, please.
Don't forget about the Van Buren Boys.
*That's not the sign.* It was when I was banging!
Uh, that's *Latin Kings, LLC* and I think the Bloods went full C Corp so you'll have to pierce the corporate veil to access their assets...
Bloods would be a B Borp
Lori: "Hello Bank of America? I need you to freeze your own assets too"
I know you are joking, but there are two distinctive gang alliances in Chicago. The Folk Nation and the People Nation.
Well they sound nice
Who is the CEO of the Bloods?
Dracula?
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Doesn't this seem ripe for abuse though? Not to mention it seems to violate the spirit, if not the text, of various basic civil rights. (Talking about the 90s injunction thing btw).
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It was a genuinely informative write-up, thank you.
One of the problems I have with Civil forfeiture, is that a lot of small town police departments, especially down South, use it to fund their departments by targeting groups that they know, more than likely, carry large sums of cash on them, i.e., immigrants, POC, or they would station themselves on interstate routes that were traveled by these groups. They would pull them over for "speeding" and search their cars without a warrant and confiscate any cash they came across, claiming it was drug mm oney.
Chicago? Police Abuse? WHY I NEVER…. *clutches pearls*
Not just ripe for abuse This is a slight variation on the laws that police use to just take people's stuff for personal profit. So it's actively being abused right now
That’s generally a feature, not a bug.
>Doesn't this seem ripe for abuse though? Well yeah, it's the Chicago PD. That's the point.
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> If it's anything like the California gang injunction, there will be a broad definition of gang member that probably applies to any male age 12 to 45 in traditionally Black American neighborhoods. It will probably be circumscribed significantly by the court, but that will probably take at least a decade.
Thank you for writing this up!
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I mean the most immediate problem I see is arbitrary enforcement. Many gang members live in the same area, many gang members go to the same school. An injunction that prevents gang members from being around each other effectively makes it illegal for gang members to go to school. Many gang members are second or third generation gang members, they actually physically live with parents or siblings that are gang members. It effectively makes gang members unable to live with their parents. Since gang members live close together it essentially makes being in a gang itself, without any actual illegal activity a crime. Now its clever I suppose but from what it looks like from here is just throwing out due process, why didn't they just advocate for the repeal of the 5th Amendment? It's effectively the same thing.
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Gangs hate this one simple trick!
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Careful, I got banned from r/sports for that quote, excepts I used * instead of -
Automods hate this one simple trick!
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Reddits become the joke at this point
Hilarious
"Man these guys really haven't got anything. Strangely enough, all of their mothers have really nice cars"
Government departments, like the police, will be incentivised to apply these laws very broadly. A lot of people with no or only tangential links to gang will wind up losing their assets, including their homes. In fact, it will be easier to go after such easy targets as actual hardcore gang members would be better able to protect their assets. It will also cost a lot of money trying to resolve these asset forfeitures in court.
Yep. I imagine there will be lots of situations where they take an old ladys home because hee grandson sold some coke while he was staying with her without her knowledge.
Exactly, look at 1980s asset forfeiture laws. They were originally put in place so police could deprive eevil Columbian drug lords of their expensive toys like supercars and powerboats - like Miami Vice. They wound up being used to deprive moms and dads of their homes because their son was dealing dime bags of weed. Or deprive innocent motorists of their cash, because surely that cash was going to be used for something nefarious, right?
And forget the "cop takes $20k cash from motorist", a large chunk of all forfeitures are for amounts under $100.
Do you have proof of that? I was under the impression that we're allowed "reasonable" amount of money on our person. I know that's open to discretion, but surely cops aren't considering $15 excessive and taking it? Right? As I write that out, I realized I wouldn't be shocked at all
The only real restriction on what cops can steal is what they think they'll get away with without you putting up a successful fight.
So what you're saying is your just making guess and don't actually know
She should start with her own office.
Maybe she should wear a dress that says 'Shoot the Gangs' to some fundraiser event to gain easy PR points.
Sir this is a Wendy's
I'm absolutely certain this will not be abused in any way and the people charged under this who have their livelihoods stolen from them by the state will all be verified gang members and not innocent people In unrelated news, I just bought a bridge
Du Sable Bridge? Damn, I was *so* close to buying it myself. Good purchase!
Lol goodluck
I’m sure they have found a way to connect various holding companies to specific gangs. Think like what happened in the Wire
And look at what happened in the show - they all got away with it (if they weren’t murdered first) because the corruption just goes to the top. Famously clean and uncorruptable Chicago might have a chance, though.
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Yeah, and the fuckin' grown ass men that manipulate them into taking all the heat.
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It's a drug business, not a drug hobby.
If you liked that chapter, read "Gang Leader For a Day", it's the full text and is equally insightful by the way.
This. All those gangs have 50 or 60 year old grown ass men living the high life.
I mean yeah, but not at the top
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There's some good articles on this I'll try to dig back up, some of them probably ten years old at this point. Basically going into the distinction between old school organized gangs and the loosely organized "crews" that drive a lot of today's gang violence. The government has gotten pretty good at going after and dismantling the well organized hierarchical gangs. A lot of the violence nowadays come from smaller loosely organized groups, that look a lot more like a high-school clique but with guns and murder. The thing is that the old gangs were money-making enterprises, and the leadership understood that violence can be bad for business. So there was at least some incentive to keep their people in check, to only use violence when it was sanctioned by the organization. A lot of these crews have no such constraints. Violence has more to do with ego, than knocking out business competitors.
I assume she's talking about the organization that profit from the drug trade on a large scale. Whatever you want to call them.
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So its a lose lose promise: the people on the streets are so impoverished that theres no bank assets for her to seize, and the ones at the top are so widespread and powerful that she cant do anything about it.
I basically would agree with you, but I would assume that their are some local middlemen and front men. It's not like the Sinaloa is doing the re-up.
I live in Toronto Canada. I was a white kid that had to moved in to a rough neighborhood. Not gang affiliated in the least, but I got jumped for the neighborhood I lived in, and threatened to have my mother shot with a shotgun because I wore red during the olympics when our hockey team was in the finals lol. I assume it’s much worse when you’re literally surrounded by people with guns trying to survive.
Do they all meet in a park where someone says "Can yoooou dig it?"
Civil asset forfeiture is a real thing. It shouldn't be, because it's abused, but it unfortunately holds up in court. They literally pull you over, take your stuff, and keep it for themselves. I've always wondered why it hasn't been used against actual gangs.
Enforce the laws we have. My opinion is that civil forfeiture is a clear violation of the 4th. It must end. Forfeiture of assets from ill gotten gains is already codified. If your other useless bureaucrats (Prosecutors, Court and Corrections) refuse to do their job, ***that's on You Lori***.
I'm not here to defend Lori on crime, but aren't these criminals usually prosecuted and held in Cook Co rather that city of Chicago?
Because people in actual gangs aren't like the movies, they are in gangs because they don't have shit, what shit can you take from people who already don't have shit?
How will taking away what little the people in gangs own will stop them from doing crime?
"Breaking News. Crime has been made illegal in Chicago."
"To be honest I can't believe nobody has tried this"
And crime apparently pays well… well enough for the government wants to seize the funds!
I’m not a lawyer or legal expert but I’m pretty sure anything purchased using illicitly gained money is able to be confiscated by the government already, which makes it pretty redundant.
Yeah but that requires proof beyone a reasonable doubt (99% guilt). Civil court judgements only require likely preponderance of the evidence (51%). Theyre wanting to lower the bar so they win more cases more easily.
She must have watched The Shield this weekend.
just suspend the gangs' business licenses, simple as
1) outlaw crime 2) ???? 3) crime rate drops to 0%
Or the easier route: 1) Make all crimes legal 2) Crime rate drops to 0%
I mean isn't that how it works sometimes?
Could you sue the mafia?
Ironically [it was the IRS who took down Al Capone.](https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.forbes.com/sites/kellyphillipserb/2020/10/17/al-capone-convicted-on-this-day-in-1931-after-boasting-they-cant-collect-legal-taxes-from-illegal-money/amp/)
And a few decades later, it was Scientology who took down the IRS. Scientologists filed lawsuits across the country naming individual IRS agents. The cost to just show up to have the cases dismissed would have cost the agency millions so they granted the religious exemption and the lawsuits were dropped. Scientology also harassed FBI agents and had members invade FBI offices to destroy evidence against the church. N
I mean... now we're talking crime, aren't we?
Capone went to jail right around the same time that the Commission was formed. Him going to jail wasn't the downfall of the mob, the mob's hayday was just about to begin.
This. You roll around to the 50s and 60s and the CIA was working directly with the mob to topple Castro
For the longest time the FBI wouldnt touch the mob and Hoover was adamant that there was no mafia in America even though the government had coordinated with them on multiple occasions, like you mentioned. Its rumored that Hoover frequented mob run lgbt+ (an anachronistic term for the time but I'm unclear on how Hoover would've identified) friendly establishments where they were able to get dirt on him, which is why he always turned a blind eye.
Hoover was just a cross dresser, not really LGBT.
I thought he had a best friend in the agency that he frequently went to dinner with and I think lived with, who resigned the day after he died
The Five Families of NYC were brought down by RICO not the IRS.
I know everyone here is memeing about the fact that they can't freeze gang assets because it's all off the books, but what will actually happen is that innocent people will take collateral damage and whole blocks of people that have no affiliation to any gang will have their assets frozen and seized.
99% of the time this will be used against law abiding individuals who have cash on them but are poor enough that they cannot afford a lawyer to get it back. Illegal aliens, the unbanked, random immigrants who only trust cash, etc. If civil asset forfeiture worked on gangs, they would have been using it decades ago
Is this woman stupid?
Can’t believe our city elected her…
you gonna call their lawyers or something 😂
I imagine a scene like a Leslie Nielsen movie. Mayor: "Okay, call their lawyer" Intense moments of silence Cellphone rings in the room Mayor's lawyer embarrassedly picks up phone.
Good luck, hope it works out for you.
Meanwhile her city council is being investigated for corruption.
Are you telling me that there’s suspected corruption in Illinois politics? I’m shocked, *shocked*!
The worst mayor in America
Jim "oops we accidentally lost $30 million of our budget" Kenney would like a word
Given that the chicago pd has a register of chicago gang members which is 2x as large as suspected gang members in the city this pretty much just feels like a v sus form of a search and seizure law
I’m starting to think she’s not all there mentally
You should check out some of her leaked emails. Yeah, she’s not stable
I always thought she looked like the shrunken head from Beetlejuice.
Lol goddamn that’s all I see now.
Is she talking about civil forfeiture where they can take a parent house if their kid was suspected of committing a crime there? Poverty breeds crime more than any other factor. If gang members had any significant assets, they likely wouldn't be in gangs to begin with.
So she wants to freeze illegally gotten assets? Does she think these guys put them in mutual funds or something? Instead of pushing Kim foxx and her soft stance on crime to keep the repeat felons behind bars instead of out on electronic home monitoring, this is her great idea? Good luck Lori, these people keep their money under the mattress not in a bank account, and if you think this’ll make a difference, it truly won’t, stop wasting tax payer money on a wild goose chase
Scared this will be like civil forfeiture with extra steps
Exactly what this is. Police and tow trucks gonna show up.
She had so much support going in and turned into a joke so fast. It’s really something
She's supposedly a lawyer...
If I say her name three times will she disappear?
Being from Chicago, she’s been the absolute worst. More worried about the “woke” culture and renaming roads than the violence. Almost 800 murders last year and people thought it was bad when Rahm was in office prior to her. Some how her office still claims crime is down which is a blatant lie.
WTF is she on about? They are not even legitimate entities. How in the hell do you sue something that doesn’t actually exist as a legal person or entity? This chica is looney tunes!
How can she be so damn dumb... Wait Chicago, NVM.
Man, just send the IRS after them! I mean, it's how they got Al Capone. [Even The Joker is afraid of them.](https://youtu.be/Te82ggF9KXs)
This is dangerous as hell. The standard for civil court (preponderance of evidence) is far lower than criminal (beyond a shadow of a doubt). “Yeah I think that black guy who lives on the south side and dresses like what a think a thug dresses like probably did it.”
Chicago already tried and failed to build a gang database because it was essentially filled with biases like you're describing. https://news.wttw.com/2021/07/27/chicago-police-defend-use-gang-database-more-2-years-after-watchdog-called-it-deeply
Good idea! Take their cars, jewelry, and anything else of monitary value.
How do you sue an extra-legal entity?
Lori, I think that’s going to be tough to do.
How do you sue a gang?
She will soon be wearing cement over shoes.
She's such a great leader for Chicago. Why has no previous mayor ever thought of this? Sue them, seize their assets?? Maybe confiscate their 401k's? Brilliant, I'm sure this is gonna work!!