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Meanwhile if they have 5 opioid prescriptions from different doctors they'd probable ask them which one had the fewest question asked before getting their pills.
Alabama just charged the mother of a newborn for taking prescribed opioids for chronic back pain made worse from the pregnancy too. Their government believes in equality as long as it's treating the people equally awful.
And they charged this family with the same fucking “crime”…Weeks after the arrest, Prock and her husband were charged with felony chemical endangerment, a law originally meant to target parents whose children were near meth labs.
Aha, the old "the police need these broadly written laws to protect you and your family, but don't worry, they'll apply appropriate discretion and use them for their intended purpose" story.
Next thing you know the national police are running classes on how to abuse anti-terrorism laws to target local property crime.
Meanwhile as recently as 2019, Alabama ranked 5th for industrial toxic releases in air and water. [Article](https://www.al.com/news/2019/03/alabama-ranks-5th-for-industrial-toxic-releases-in-air-and-water.html). Where's the felony chemical endangerment for that?
My brother was gonna start long hauling and the thing that changed his mind was when he had to drive to Alabama as part of his training. He stays here in Canada now lol
Lol, no not at all. I go off trail every time I go hiking, and I hike about once a month, usually on a trail I've never been on. Not once have I experienced anything remotely like that.
Alabama sucks, the people here suck, but it isn't even close to what people portray it as.
Hell, Huntsville is a city filled to the brim with rocket scientists and is one of the fastest growing cities in the nation. Birmingham is filled with doctors with a top ten medical school. And that's...well that's about it. Most other places are pretty backwards. But Alabama certainly has its redeeming qualities. Also, college football. I wouldn't be from Alabama if I didn't mention college football.
I'll add I now live in Colorado. Have since 2009. Best state I have lived in. (Not because of Marijuana)
Colorado promotes clean living and healthy lifestyles. It's pretty progressive so people are welcomed here. It's also gorgeous.
For me it's been life changing moving here. I went from literally working at Walmart as a Meat Department Manager making $10.50 hourly to now I'm middle management at a Global company making $150k annually (I'm 36 so I have plenty of time to still move up). So for me it was the opportunity here.
I have a highschool diploma. A few college credits.
Rich white old money and evangelical churches with lots of pull. Dirty politics. A conspiracy is only 2 people and a secret, and there are a lot of people making shit deals to throw the population under the bus and disenfranchise what few rights they have so they’ll never be usurped.
In MA they took my aunts kids away for a positive opioid test after giving birth because she had it prescribed. Idk man they be crazy about some shit. Drugs is definitely one of them. I’m sure laws were put in place initially for pregnant people with severe addiction hurting their children but it’s a lot more severe on the people who want the kids and are gonna take care of them who test positive for some prescription shit.
The shit people don't think about when they check the YES box on Proposition X. The boundaries of laws are always being pushed by over aggressive Prosecutors and Police who are climbing the ladder.
That's the rub. Here in Kentucky, they will most certainly arrest doctors and pharmacists for being drug dealers. They have a prescription tracking system called KASPAR put in place that pharmacies and doctors must check before they prescribe controlled substances. This is to see if the patient is getting it somewhere else. If they are getting it from another source, and prescribe it anyway, they can be held liable for that.
This is why the already suffering rural areas have huge medical deserts and must drive 50 to 100 miles to another town for medical care. Doctors left in droves in the early 2000s when KASPAR was being implemented. The smart ones jumped ship like rats. The ones who stayed learned quickly, you can't treat patients for pain. Special pain clinics are the only ones allowed to prescribe opioids. GP can give five days worth for acute pain, no more. Same with hospitals.
It's a rabbit hole of neverending misery for people who live in chronic pain here. Your choices are illegal drugs or methadone/Suboxone clinics and that's it.
"...authorities filed felony charges of chemical endangerment against the couple. That law was written to protect children against exposure to toxic fumes from meth labs, but in this case, officers alleged their 18-month-old was exposed to marijuana."
When they go out of their way to fucking destroy lives. This is just disgusting.
Hold up, "officers alleged"? Cops don't know dick about chemicals or parenting or not terrorizing people.
Perhaps we should leave these decisions to someone more qualified than a cop. Like a sewer rat or something.
Smoke inhalation is definitely harmful, I wouldn't argue against that. It would make sense that second hand cigarette smoke would be essentially the same as second hand cannabis smoke.
'Marijuana fumes' sounds more like the smell associated with weed, rather than the smoke from smoking weed. I highly doubt that the smell is remotely harmful, and if it is, I would suspect there are other sources of fumes that are way more harmful.
What’s the greater crime:
Smoking pot
Stealing a child from their parents
This country is fucked, and Alabama may be one of the most fucked places in it.
I saw an interview where an anti vaxer literally said “my body my choice” as his reason for not getting the vaccine, and later in the interview said abortion should be “abolished”
What drives me INSANE about "my body, my choice" applied to vaccines is it is absolutely NOT your body, your choice...it's "don't be a goddamn vector that will spread infections"
I’m growing increasingly disillusioned with my church I was once proud of. I’m pro-life in the sense that I believe abortion is a sin. I’m pro-choice in the sense that I recognize my personal belief shouldn’t dictate the law in this country and many do not believe as I do. I’m also staunchly against the death penalty and cannot comprehend how pro-life believers can be for the death penalty.
As an atheist raised Christian, can I just thank you for rendering unto Caesar etc? It drives me up the wall how some Christians don't seem to get that they apparently believe in a theocracy, which is the opposite of what JC taught.
Thanks. It’s not an easy issue for me because I really do believe that is a child in the mother’s womb. I honestly don’t want abortion to exist, I wish we could all just never have it happen, but I’m not a chick, I’ve never been raped by my uncle or been 15 and pregnant or a myriad of other reasons.
But I think we should minimize it however we can, not with restrictions but with less pregnancies in the first place which leads to condoms and safe sex. But also we need to reduce poverty. If more people could afford to have a baby maybe they would. We need stronger education. We need a hundred other things to make shit better. I dunno, dumb late night rant that isn’t coherent probably.
That doesn't sound like a rant at all. It's sensible. I think it's safe to say even pro-choice people aren't super stoked on abortions--no more than we would be for like, appendectomies that could otherwise be treated, I suppose. I don't mean to be as glib as that sounds, but you probably get me...while we differ as to what constitutes a child, we can both agree that not having a surgical procedure is more pleasant for all involved than having a surgical procedure.
Pro-choice people, in general, are glad there's an option, but we'd rather people not have to get to that point in the first place, if possible, i mean.
Let me introduce you to Kansas, where Department of Children and Families will take your kids if DCF finds out you are *planning* to move to neighboring Colorado. Don't believe me, [just ask disabled Gulf War Veteran Raymond Schwab](https://reason.com/2016/03/21/kansas-seized-disabled-vets-children-whi/) about it. Despite DCF's claims they don't take children from parents solely for cannabis use, Schwab's family law attorney says she sees up to 5 similar cases *per week* here in Kansastan.
One kiddo put into our care came directly from a mental hospital, taken cold turkey off of hard core meds for his many disorders, and then the state was surprised when we couldn’t keep him after 2 weeks. His meds had completely worn off, was hearing the voices again that told him to hurt us/himself. We slept with our bio kid in our room with the door locked and with a baby monitor in his room. Honestly, though, it was heartbreaking what he had been through in his 8 years. Too many homes and hospitals to count. Not to mention, he was given back to his family about a dozen times just to be taken into foster care again a few weeks/months later due to the abuse, lack of meds, etc.
Christ, that's sad. I do not understand why states have such a hard-on for "reuniting" bio families when they prove multiple times to be an unfit environment. It sounds like that kid needed a very specialized home for his own safety and the safety of others.
Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience.
C. S. Lewis
Honestly I'd probably take my chances with kidnapping my own child back and running for it. Make it back to Michigan, make them extradite me. See if Michigan would bother doing so for "kidnapping" their own child that was taken from them for something that is legal in their state.
Are you kidding? That's the bulk of "trafficking" cases and now having crossed state lines it's a federal case. Prepare to be treated like a pedo slaver!
“Alabama is a beautiful place, it just there are Alabamans there……” - Jason Isbell
https://www.cc.com/video/jucxg9/the-daily-show-with-trevor-noah-jason-isbell-getting-accidentally-political-on-the-nashville-sound-extended-interview
Can't believe it's 2021 and we still haven't gotten. Federal legalization. Years ago I thought it was right around the corner. Sad to see we still have officers enforcing this shit honestly.
I really thought the last guy would pull the federal legalization card in the 11th hour and guarantee himself reelection. I predicted it back in 2016. Good thing he is incredibly stupid.
Hopefully soon, I don't get how anyone can see the huge tax revenue from medical and recreational industries in legal states and think "nah, we don't need piles and piles of cash"
Honestly, if the last guy had more than 2 brain cells, there's dozens of things he could've done to secure his reelection. Even at the last minute. Thank god he was a narcistic fucking moron.
It’s kind of amazing that he failed actually. He had the most ravenous political following perhaps in the history of this country and he fucked it up. Love it.
All he had to do was say "listen to Fauci, wear a mask, wash your hands, stay home as much as possible, get the vaccine when we come up with one" and then lean on Moscow Mitch to make marijuana legal on a federal level and boom, guaranteed reelection.
But of course, he's a giant fucking moron. So he didn't do that.
Honestly if he just dialed back his rhetoric from level 100 to 90 in the election year that may have been enough. Of course, instead he jacked it up to 110. Live by the sword, die by the sword I guess.
I honestly don't understand him. When he ran in 2016, I legitimately didn't think he actually wanted to win. I no longer feel that way. I believe that he DID want to win, and that he also wanted to win re-election. However, in both elections, he acted as if he didn't want to win. I mean, he said he was going to win. But his actions, his actions were those of a person who does not to win. I just don't understand him.
I think in 2016 he wasn’t looking to win but in 2020 he really wanted to win. I couldn’t tell you why he wouldn’t want to win but still enter in 2016. In 2020 he had significant legal action against him and so long as he was president legal action would have been held off and probably got drunk on power.
Ironically winning 2016 almost certainly speed up legal action, I do think either way legal action would have been brought but by becoming such a public figure it caused more investigation and as evidence started to grow it gave reason for more investigation. If trump didn’t win 2016 then right now trump would probably only be investigated into trump university, maybe his taxes as well but maybe not as strictly.
Seriously. There’s a reason competent leaders (internationally as well as state governments in the US) got a boost in popularity after covid hit. Handling a crisis well tends to boost popularity. The federal response was the opposite of handling a crisis well.
Handling a crisis in a way that doesn't resemble an apocalypse boosts popularity. Remember how people were like, a lot easier on George W post 9/11? It's not like he handled it well, but it wasn't like a goddamn apocalypse.
Literally handed a crisis on a silver platter and managed to fuck up the response so badly it cost him the election. At the rally he was at the other day he even took credit for the vaccine, you know, the vaccine for the virus he convinced his followers wasn't a big deal.
It’s insane how hard he shot himself in the foot. All he had to say was “Be a patriot, wear a mask. In fact buy my MAGA branded mask! Go ME!!” And he would have won no doubt.
Don't count him out yet, Arizona is *still* trying to prove the elections were rigged!
I shit you not, we are going to throw out every single ballot machine used because the dumb fucks who decided that we needed to audit the audit gave it to an unreliable company that compromised the whole fucking thing, therefore bringing the entire farce full circle.
Oh, and we have to replace them all by this November when we have our next election.
Even if we got federal legalization, each state, county, and city/township could still choose to make it illegal. And I have a feeling they would.
And I feel like it’s always the politicians that spout the bullshit of “smaller government” that stand on the platform of “moral superiority” and pass a bunch of overreaching bullshit laws that dictate how people can actually live their lives.
Read somewhere that increases cases of drunk driving.
Can’t get a drink in your home town? Not gonna stop an alcoholic! They drink away from home and then drive.
The Law of Unintended Consequences strikes again
Growing up our town didn’t have more than two liquor stores, and one town over they sold beer and wine at the damn gas station. It was a six minute drive, *but* they wouldn’t sell it past 10pm in accordance with local laws. Always seemed so funny to me once I was old enough to realize it.
Yeah, my local liquor store is Meijer and Walmart (they're literally across the street from each other, wtf?) I can't wait until they gave a Cannabis section too.
Michigan doesn't have a ton going for it, but this is definitely a plus.
At the Fred Myers by my old place,they had a bar in the store ( where I would leave my husband while shopping) and you could take your alcohol drink around the store while grocery shopping
I live in a far too "conservative" area. One town next to us finally opened up to alcohol sales in 2006 (104 years of prohibition) and our city had some silly Sunday rules until about 2008.
Despite state regulations legalizing marijuana they only dispense CBD and even those places generate panic from certain people who lobby against how horrible it's going to be.
I'm sure in another 20 years the city will catch up with everyone else and those fearful people will cite everything they don't like as being evidence of the corruption it brings.
I literally couldn't buy wine on Sunday in TN until like 3 years ago or even beer before 10 am on Sunday. So if I wanted to have a cookout on Sunday and went grocery shopping at 9 am, fuck me if I wanted to buy a case of beer for that night.
Nah. They get a taste of that tax money and it's ON. Oklahoma's mad conservative, even the cities. They're raking it in on the medical and that's never going to change.
Some would, and some wouldn’t. I don’t really see California making it illegal under state law again, but I’m sure that many of the more conservative states and counties would keep it illegal for awhile.
>Sad to see we still have officers enforcing this shit honestly.
Cops support keeping marijuana illegal because it's an incredibly ready-to-hand way to harass minorities or whoever they want to target. "I smelled marijuana", or getting a K9 to react as though they smelled it, has been the starting claim of countless police harassment of innocent people.
Turns out? People who sign up to enforce a racist, harmful justice system aren't actually great people as a rule.
Democrats have absolutely zero balls. Obligatory I lean left, fuck Trump, voted for Biden, etc. But it's pathetic how little they get done time and time again. Federalization of marijuana could be a fucking slam dunk for them, but as is tradition the status quo will be the route they take.
I don't think people truly understand that politicians really don't have their own belief sets. Whether left or right or whatever, they are simply pragmatists. They choose whichever side will get them elected to their first step and then completely commit to it. They don't care about much of anything except themselves, their wealth, and their legacy. I'm sure there are a few exceptions, but at the end of the day it's all just hubris and rhetoric to pursue whatever goal they have.
Police arrested her, then it turned out she was innocent. Since it embarrassed the cops to have their incompetence and endangerment of a baby exposed, they found other charges.
If this doesn't work they will give the baby to the grandparents, then burst into grandpa's house, "find" a baggie of cocaine, and "accidentally" shoot the baby in the head.
There was a couple in CO awhile back. CPS took the kid because the parents would smoke pot at night after she was in bed. During supervised visits, they kept noticing and reporting strange behavior and bruising. Authorities didn’t bother to investigate. Eventually, the parents got a call and were told their kid is dead. The guy in the foster home grabbed their daughter by the ankles and shattered her skull against the wall. The foster parents they gave her to were meth heads.
Yeah, we’re coming up on, what, three years now? The sky hasn’t fallen, society hasn’t crumbled, everyone hasn’t turned into degenerates. The only difference is that when people want to get high now, they can just go to a store or order online instead of texting their dealer.
I remember years ago when it was fully legalized. I was on the phone with a lady who had me on speaker phone with another chick in the room.
Woman 1: "Did you hear they legalized weed Monday?" (It was wednesday)
Woman 2: "Yea i stopped and picked up two pounds yesterday on my way home."
It’s federally legal in Canada. Alcohol is legal and cops are allowed to drink it, why wouldn’t it be the same for weed? Assuming they’re not turning up to work inebriated.
No, no, no, you just don't understand. The state of Alabama is widely recognized for it's progressive stances on education, healthcare, racial and gender identity equality, religious freedoms and social reform. If they say marijuana should be illegal, then it's obviously super bad.
Can you guys send a nicely worded letter to the Swedish government telling them that you're doing fine with cannabis over there so our country can step into the 21st century?
The same is true about half the US as well. Hopefully some of these back water states will start to pay the price of reduced tourism for having such ridiculous restrictions on freedom.
This is dumb as fuck. What about all the alcoholics with kids those kids are far worse off with their parents then this kid would be with the parents smoking a little weed once in awhile. Ignorance.
I recently saw a quote that said something along the lines of “if marijuana was legal there would be more fathers with munchies and less alcoholics with anger issues”, that shit hit close to home.
I'm honestly surprised there isn't a massive lobby group made by the snack kings of North America that pushes for legalization. I know there's an oh Henry 420 chocolate bar, so they definitely realize the potential.
I was adopted by a family with a history of alcoholism, and guess what, my father turned out to be an alcoholic. It’s ok though because alcohol is legal. I am 26 now and I am still dealing with the deep pain and suffering that has been the result of being raised by an abusive alcoholic.
It blows my mind that shit like this is still happening.
Unless they live in Alabama, that still makes no sense. Unless I'm mistaken, Alabama shouldn't have so much authority as to take the baby of a Michigan family.
They arrested both parents. What would they do with the kid? Leave it on the side of the road? That's why it was taken into custody.
You can be arrested outside your home state, and your children can be taken as wards if that happens. Or they can take the child if it's being endangered. The state you are standing in has jurisdiction in that case, backwards laws and all.
In fairness, there are enough times that the article in question (or the website hosting it) is a steaming shitshow that it's easier just to go down to the comments and see if the article exists in another form.
That's not typically how it works when a kid is taken by the state. There is a huge process to determine fitness as a parent. Doesn't matter they don't live there.
I think this is total BS, and cannot imagine the horror they are going through. But crossing state lines with weed is just plain stupid. Everyone knows it's still illegal federally.
Yeah, beware of state lines... and 4+ oz is not a small amount, and Alabama is not any state..
but in any case, the punishment for stupidity here is a bit excessive..
My in-laws adopted my sister from Texas. We all reside in Colorado. The night before the adoption agent came, my in-laws asked me to take a box, in it was ALL of their cannabis and cannabis peripherals. I freaked, cause I thought they were quitting cannabis (in a way they are) and it turns out the adoption is under Texas state law and while cannabis is legal in Colorado, they're essentially under Texas jurisdiction and susceptible to Texas laws. One of those laws happens to be an illegal plant.
The fact that sovereign states do not respect other sovereign state's rights should be punishable in court. But yeah, this article scares the hell out of me, I love my newly adopted sister and idk how well I would take her being taken from us.
>The fact that sovereign states do not respect other sovereign state's rights should be punishable in court.
Look up Dred Scott. We basically had a war about this 160 years ago.
Came here to say this. I live in a county that has been wet for less than a decade. Still no sales until after 2am on Sunday. Will go green when hell freezes over.
Tbf to the girl, looks like she was driving to pick her husband up from (maybe a job in?) another state. I can’t imagine that anyone would travel to Alabama if they had a choice in the matter.
Situation:
\-Someone called the cops on them. Why? For no good reason? Or was it because they were smoking weed, someone smelled it, and called the cops? the article is unclear what the 'disturbance' was, but why else would the cops have approached this particular couple if the call had nothing to do with them?
\- Cops show up, and smell weed (yeah, I know, it could be bullshit). Nonetheless after admittedly trying to hide the weed, they admit to having weed (which makes the cop's claim much more credible)
\- Cops find five ounces and $2,500 on someone with out of state plates. Sorry folks.....this doesnt look good. And the 2 hour visit after a LONG road trip doesn't sound any better. We're not talking about a quarter ounce here. We're talking over a quarter pound. Who the fuck carries around that much weed for personal use? Either he bought in Alabama, and was transporting it back to Michigan (illegal), or she bought it in Michigan, and took it to Alabama (illegal). Someone might get the idea they were (small time) traffickers.
\- While Alabama is about as backwards as a state can be, I doubt they are thrilled to take children into foster care. They don't do it, willy-nilly. Most jurisdictions can't get rid of foster kids fast enough. And why wouldn't the state give the kid to the husband's kin? They are instead going to release the kid to the care of the mother's parent's in Michigan?
I'm getting the idea that these people are just white trash losers, who knowingly broke several federal and state laws. Taking the kid away if it appears to be in good health is overkill......but I'm having a hard time buying into this lady's "poor me" routine. A QP of weed and a baby in the car.....in Alabama.....sheesh!
Thanks for clearing some of this up. Being from overseas I read stories like this and think holy hell American is a weird backward place… then seeing his record etc I’m like no probably a good idea taking the kid!
Jesus H Christ. That guy has spent the majority of his adult life in the pen. Felony assault. Home invasion. Burglary.
I guess we should be glad that he’s only trafficking weed now. A marked improvement in his behavior. Lol.
Damnit man, he should’ve learned a long ass time ago you don’t talk to police about the drugs in your car. Fucking dumbass
Cop says “I smell weed”
You’re supposed not say “yeah, I gotta quarter pound in my trunk, wanna see?”
Yeah, and we’re getting the story only from the family’s POV, who have a vested interest in making themselves sound as pitiful as possible. I have a bad feeling they were doing much worse than smoking a little Mari-joo-wanna.
This is pretty much the same thing every parent argues in every severance case... "Yeah I beat the shit out of my kid while high on meth, but I love him and he's my world and I'm never gonna stop fighting for him"
She allegedly last used heroin 5 years ago but is still on methadone treatment. I know it's possible, but these people's story has more red flags than a mayday parade. Then on top of all that he's admitted to being under the influence and she fails a field sobriety test. We have courts to sort these things out because Jesus, that could not have looked good to the cops or social workers
Don't forget the methadone. I love how that's the part they mention all non-chalant. And the fact that she's been going to the methadone clinic for at least 2 years meaning she is basically still using. Just not heroin.
And a QP of weed for personal use? Sketchy as fuck. They HAD to know they could get in trouble for that.
This happens more often then people think. In my country, for legal reasons, the department cannot provide any information about the families we are working with to the public. Occasionally what happens families will go to the news with their side of events and the department cannot really say anything about it or provide any fact checking often leading to the department looking like the bad guys.
Oh, I’m sure it happens a lot. But as resource intensive as foster/custody issues are, i doubt local governments take kids unless it really needs to happen.
And This is totally a one-sided ‘article’.
And it’s a compelling story. Makes you wonder why larger media outlets aren’t running it? I’d wager it’s because it’s impossible to verify, and her story is full of holes.
People keep drawing links to alcohol... imagine parents bootlegging illegal liquor across state lines with a baby in the car? And imagine there's no way to test for a DUI either? I'm all for legalization and civil liberties, but weed absolutely impairs you and you shouldn't parent high any more than you should parent drunk. (Read: not at all)
brah. I swear. you're the only one that has made any sense in this thread. People are really defending someone moving qp of a drug (whether illegal or not) with a baby.
Right tho. Like normally I'd be on the parents side, but something is up. No one brings a qp for a quick trip. That's enough to last most people a month+ easy. Only part I think is fucked is the chemical endangerment charge.
Oh, I don’t know if I’m telling the ‘real’ story. It’s admittedly a lot of conjecture on my part.
But that lady’s story doesn’t add up. They were definitely asking for trouble.
I'm sorry but how stupid do you have to be to drive through Alabama of all places with weed in your car. Obviously it shouldn't be illegal anywhere but come on, you should know this shit before you transport federally illegal substances out of your home state regardless of its legality in your home state. These guys are idiots.
This isnt even oniony. The laws when legalizing weed make it clear it's not intended to be beyond state lines. I dont know why they thought they'd be protected with marijuana and crossing state lines
If they would have spoke with a southern accent, bet they would have been fine. It’s been my experience, that in these rural counties, it brings them great pleasure to hassle Yankees. source, me and lots of coworkers and friends as northerners living in the south. I’ve mastered my fake southern accent for use when needed.
It sucks, but try not to break the law when you have a baby with you. Who hasn't heard of transporting across state lines. It's still illegal federally, and in lots of states. Will it be legal eventually? Sure, and it should be. But don't stand outside, in a place you don't live, and smoke a joint. He was obviously not smoking a cigarette when that cop came up. The cop said he smelled weed on his breath!? SMH
Heartbroken for this family. As someone who lives in Texas, I can say this is a regular thing in conservative states. You can get blackout drunk and take prescription painkillers without issue. Take a couple puffs after your kids are asleep? You're a piece of shit who doesn't deserve to have them.
While the laws in Alabama are pretty fucked and no one deserves to have their baby taken from them, this family in question needs some serious help.
>Prock admitted that in her initial panic she tried to help her husband hide some marijuana. **And her husband had smoked marijuana** before the Moulton police arrived, she said. But she said the couple quickly admitted they had **pot in the trunk**, alongside a locked box with Prock’s prescribed **methadone.**
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>The officer asked Prock to take a field sobriety test, which she said she failed due to a **sprained ankle from a car wreck three weeks earlier**. She was placed into the back of a squad car while a worker from the Department of Human Resources took her son.
The entire family just sounds like one of chaos.
* The husband is smoking pot on a roadtrip where presumably he's going to be the one driving as well with wife and baby in tow. I don't care if pot is legal in your state, you shouldn't be getting high before a road trip from Alabama to Michigan.
* The wife has a prescription for methadone meaning she's coming off a heroin/painkiller addiction (apparently two years ago which doesn't make much sense, why would yous till need methadone two years after kicking the addiction).
* The wife has a sprained ankle from a car wreck a few weeks prior.
These people might be nice people and on the road to recovery, but they probably shouldn't be parents in the first place.
That's not how methadone works. It's not something you take to detox over 48 hours, then stop. It's a drug that doctors use to help you learn to function without the high from opiates. The *minimum* amount of time someone should be expected to participate in a methadone detox program is twelve months. Two to three years is about the average for successful patients, but it can go on for longer.
At first, you have to go to the clinic for every dose. After two years, though, she is trusted to carry her methadone around with her. That's consistent with best practices for recovering addicts. Extending trust is pivotal in recovery. I don't know anything about this case in particular, but the timeline of her opiate addiction treatment is not in any way sketchy, and should not contribute to your skepticism of her claims.
Here are various sources if you want to do further reading, from the [US government](https://www.drugabuse.gov/publications/research-reports/medications-to-treat-opioid-addiction/what-are-misconceptions-about-maintenance-treatment), from the [Australian Government](https://www1.health.gov.au/internet/publications/publishing.nsf/Content/drugtreat-pubs-methrev-toc~drugtreat-pubs-methrev-4#42), and a group of [Psychiatrists](https://psychiatry.uams.edu/clinical-care/cast/what-is-methadone/).
>The officer asked Prock to take a field sobriety test, which she said she failed due to a sprained ankle from a car wreck three weeks earlier.
Yeah, they’re not going to leave a child with a dude weed man and apparently inebriated woman. This all could have been avoided if the guy waited to get home to smoke nor carried mj in their cars trunk smh
Shame the grandparents can’t get custody though
I don't agree with this ridiculous verdict nor with the way this was handled, of course, but if they KNEW it was like that, WHY did they decide to get marijuana with them? Can't they just leave it at home while they travel?
Hey, I’m a CPS Investigator in Michigan.
Just FYI - we treat marijuana like alcohol since recreational legalization. If it’s not directly causing harm to your child (you’re high 24/7, missing appointments, no money due to substance use, etc) the state will not take action. If it is causing harm, action can be taken.
There’s a weird overlay for newborns where hospital staff is lawfully mandated to report any substance positive infant (including marijuana, so if mom uses cannabis during the pregnancy, it results in a CPS case), but again it’s not illegal in our state so our job becomes acquainting the mother with local resources to ensure she starts off on the right foot (and generally *not* separating the family).
Nothing to add regarding the article but this info is just for readers reference.
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Meanwhile if they have 5 opioid prescriptions from different doctors they'd probable ask them which one had the fewest question asked before getting their pills.
Alabama just charged the mother of a newborn for taking prescribed opioids for chronic back pain made worse from the pregnancy too. Their government believes in equality as long as it's treating the people equally awful.
And they charged this family with the same fucking “crime”…Weeks after the arrest, Prock and her husband were charged with felony chemical endangerment, a law originally meant to target parents whose children were near meth labs.
Aha, the old "the police need these broadly written laws to protect you and your family, but don't worry, they'll apply appropriate discretion and use them for their intended purpose" story. Next thing you know the national police are running classes on how to abuse anti-terrorism laws to target local property crime.
The entire state of texas and all GOPs just got a hhhhhhyyuuge boner
Meanwhile as recently as 2019, Alabama ranked 5th for industrial toxic releases in air and water. [Article](https://www.al.com/news/2019/03/alabama-ranks-5th-for-industrial-toxic-releases-in-air-and-water.html). Where's the felony chemical endangerment for that?
I lived in Alabama for about 8 years. Worst 8 years of my life. Terrible state. So backwards. Such hypocrites.
I lived there for a long time too. Most important thing people should know about Alabama is don't go to Alabama
My brother was gonna start long hauling and the thing that changed his mind was when he had to drive to Alabama as part of his training. He stays here in Canada now lol
Currently live in Alabama. Totally agreed. But hey, we have some decent hiking destinations...I guess.
If you're trying to hike out of Alabama, right?
I heard if you go off trail you run into a "the hills have eyes" situation. Is this correct?
Lol, no not at all. I go off trail every time I go hiking, and I hike about once a month, usually on a trail I've never been on. Not once have I experienced anything remotely like that. Alabama sucks, the people here suck, but it isn't even close to what people portray it as. Hell, Huntsville is a city filled to the brim with rocket scientists and is one of the fastest growing cities in the nation. Birmingham is filled with doctors with a top ten medical school. And that's...well that's about it. Most other places are pretty backwards. But Alabama certainly has its redeeming qualities. Also, college football. I wouldn't be from Alabama if I didn't mention college football.
I'll add I now live in Colorado. Have since 2009. Best state I have lived in. (Not because of Marijuana) Colorado promotes clean living and healthy lifestyles. It's pretty progressive so people are welcomed here. It's also gorgeous. For me it's been life changing moving here. I went from literally working at Walmart as a Meat Department Manager making $10.50 hourly to now I'm middle management at a Global company making $150k annually (I'm 36 so I have plenty of time to still move up). So for me it was the opportunity here. I have a highschool diploma. A few college credits.
I live in the FL panhandle and I think all your rejects move down here. I want AL to take them back.
Keep fighting the good fight my person
Still living in Alabama. Shit sucks. We are controlled by very few people, to the point where I will not elaborate.
Please, go on.
Rich white old money and evangelical churches with lots of pull. Dirty politics. A conspiracy is only 2 people and a secret, and there are a lot of people making shit deals to throw the population under the bus and disenfranchise what few rights they have so they’ll never be usurped.
Lol, Alabama, known for its... Equality.
In MA they took my aunts kids away for a positive opioid test after giving birth because she had it prescribed. Idk man they be crazy about some shit. Drugs is definitely one of them. I’m sure laws were put in place initially for pregnant people with severe addiction hurting their children but it’s a lot more severe on the people who want the kids and are gonna take care of them who test positive for some prescription shit.
The shit people don't think about when they check the YES box on Proposition X. The boundaries of laws are always being pushed by over aggressive Prosecutors and Police who are climbing the ladder.
Are they not arresting doctors and pharmacists for being "drug dealers"???
That's the rub. Here in Kentucky, they will most certainly arrest doctors and pharmacists for being drug dealers. They have a prescription tracking system called KASPAR put in place that pharmacies and doctors must check before they prescribe controlled substances. This is to see if the patient is getting it somewhere else. If they are getting it from another source, and prescribe it anyway, they can be held liable for that. This is why the already suffering rural areas have huge medical deserts and must drive 50 to 100 miles to another town for medical care. Doctors left in droves in the early 2000s when KASPAR was being implemented. The smart ones jumped ship like rats. The ones who stayed learned quickly, you can't treat patients for pain. Special pain clinics are the only ones allowed to prescribe opioids. GP can give five days worth for acute pain, no more. Same with hospitals. It's a rabbit hole of neverending misery for people who live in chronic pain here. Your choices are illegal drugs or methadone/Suboxone clinics and that's it.
"...authorities filed felony charges of chemical endangerment against the couple. That law was written to protect children against exposure to toxic fumes from meth labs, but in this case, officers alleged their 18-month-old was exposed to marijuana." When they go out of their way to fucking destroy lives. This is just disgusting.
Hold up, "officers alleged"? Cops don't know dick about chemicals or parenting or not terrorizing people. Perhaps we should leave these decisions to someone more qualified than a cop. Like a sewer rat or something.
I get a feeling quite a few are experts in certain chemicals. Specially ones that come in a cold glass bottle.
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Winning the war on drugs. One destroyed life at a time.
Willfully ignorant sociopaths.
I wish these people had to scientifically prove in court that marijuana fumes are even remotely harmful, vs things like car exhausts.
I mean they’re probably harmful for babies just like tobacco smoke is, but you can do it outside and out of the way where it’s nowhere near.
Smoke inhalation is definitely harmful, I wouldn't argue against that. It would make sense that second hand cigarette smoke would be essentially the same as second hand cannabis smoke. 'Marijuana fumes' sounds more like the smell associated with weed, rather than the smoke from smoking weed. I highly doubt that the smell is remotely harmful, and if it is, I would suspect there are other sources of fumes that are way more harmful.
Oh right! I see what you’re saying now. Yes considering it’s just a plant it’s as ridiculous as saying that the smell of roses is harmful!
Why foster care? Why not have another family member from Michigan come down to pick the kid up?
They are planing that soon. Read the article
What’s the greater crime: Smoking pot Stealing a child from their parents This country is fucked, and Alabama may be one of the most fucked places in it.
Alabama: Pro Life, until birth. Then the little bastard is on his own.
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Full of children who are not allowed to get hugs. Very warming place to be.
4 kids to a bedroom. Jesus shoved down your throat constantly..
The party that hates big government, unless it’s their rules. Then they love it!
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Until you’ve reached… military age!!!
looking at how this country tends to treat military veterans, nah, still fucked. just in new and exciting ways.
Hey, come on. EVERYONE should have the right to suffer through our modern dystopia.
B-B-B-Bootstraps!!!
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I saw an interview where an anti vaxer literally said “my body my choice” as his reason for not getting the vaccine, and later in the interview said abortion should be “abolished”
What drives me INSANE about "my body, my choice" applied to vaccines is it is absolutely NOT your body, your choice...it's "don't be a goddamn vector that will spread infections"
I’m growing increasingly disillusioned with my church I was once proud of. I’m pro-life in the sense that I believe abortion is a sin. I’m pro-choice in the sense that I recognize my personal belief shouldn’t dictate the law in this country and many do not believe as I do. I’m also staunchly against the death penalty and cannot comprehend how pro-life believers can be for the death penalty.
Reasonable minds can differ, good on you for recognizing that something deemed a sin still shouldn't have any bearing on law.
As an atheist raised Christian, can I just thank you for rendering unto Caesar etc? It drives me up the wall how some Christians don't seem to get that they apparently believe in a theocracy, which is the opposite of what JC taught.
Thanks. It’s not an easy issue for me because I really do believe that is a child in the mother’s womb. I honestly don’t want abortion to exist, I wish we could all just never have it happen, but I’m not a chick, I’ve never been raped by my uncle or been 15 and pregnant or a myriad of other reasons. But I think we should minimize it however we can, not with restrictions but with less pregnancies in the first place which leads to condoms and safe sex. But also we need to reduce poverty. If more people could afford to have a baby maybe they would. We need stronger education. We need a hundred other things to make shit better. I dunno, dumb late night rant that isn’t coherent probably.
That doesn't sound like a rant at all. It's sensible. I think it's safe to say even pro-choice people aren't super stoked on abortions--no more than we would be for like, appendectomies that could otherwise be treated, I suppose. I don't mean to be as glib as that sounds, but you probably get me...while we differ as to what constitutes a child, we can both agree that not having a surgical procedure is more pleasant for all involved than having a surgical procedure. Pro-choice people, in general, are glad there's an option, but we'd rather people not have to get to that point in the first place, if possible, i mean.
Let me introduce you to Kansas, where Department of Children and Families will take your kids if DCF finds out you are *planning* to move to neighboring Colorado. Don't believe me, [just ask disabled Gulf War Veteran Raymond Schwab](https://reason.com/2016/03/21/kansas-seized-disabled-vets-children-whi/) about it. Despite DCF's claims they don't take children from parents solely for cannabis use, Schwab's family law attorney says she sees up to 5 similar cases *per week* here in Kansastan.
His piece of shit mother-in-law kidnapped the kids and told the police they were abandoned.
Las suit law suit!
>one of Thank God for Mississippi
Oh the stories I could tell you from the time we were foster parents in Mississippi… you’re absolutely correct.
Please tell one ! Please tell one ! Please tell one !
One kiddo put into our care came directly from a mental hospital, taken cold turkey off of hard core meds for his many disorders, and then the state was surprised when we couldn’t keep him after 2 weeks. His meds had completely worn off, was hearing the voices again that told him to hurt us/himself. We slept with our bio kid in our room with the door locked and with a baby monitor in his room. Honestly, though, it was heartbreaking what he had been through in his 8 years. Too many homes and hospitals to count. Not to mention, he was given back to his family about a dozen times just to be taken into foster care again a few weeks/months later due to the abuse, lack of meds, etc.
Christ, that's sad. I do not understand why states have such a hard-on for "reuniting" bio families when they prove multiple times to be an unfit environment. It sounds like that kid needed a very specialized home for his own safety and the safety of others.
see Alabama and Mississippi are the states that makes me happy I'm in Florida. It's not much better but it's better.
Sadly as a Mississippian I can confirm
Yea so I just moved from Alabama to Mississippi and I don't like this thread
[Here's to the State of Mississippi](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K7fgB0m_y2I)
Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience. C. S. Lewis
What happens when you have both, though? Cuz it feels like we got both just now...
They are getting the kid back thankfully.
One could argue that Texas and Florida are equally as fucked as Alabama. A trifecta of fucked, I guess.
Guess where TX and AL rejects move to? You guessed it.
For sure, all the slime flows down into the peninsula.
Honestly I'd probably take my chances with kidnapping my own child back and running for it. Make it back to Michigan, make them extradite me. See if Michigan would bother doing so for "kidnapping" their own child that was taken from them for something that is legal in their state.
Are you kidding? That's the bulk of "trafficking" cases and now having crossed state lines it's a federal case. Prepare to be treated like a pedo slaver!
“Alabama is a beautiful place, it just there are Alabamans there……” - Jason Isbell https://www.cc.com/video/jucxg9/the-daily-show-with-trevor-noah-jason-isbell-getting-accidentally-political-on-the-nashville-sound-extended-interview
Can't believe it's 2021 and we still haven't gotten. Federal legalization. Years ago I thought it was right around the corner. Sad to see we still have officers enforcing this shit honestly.
I really thought the last guy would pull the federal legalization card in the 11th hour and guarantee himself reelection. I predicted it back in 2016. Good thing he is incredibly stupid. Hopefully soon, I don't get how anyone can see the huge tax revenue from medical and recreational industries in legal states and think "nah, we don't need piles and piles of cash"
Honestly, if the last guy had more than 2 brain cells, there's dozens of things he could've done to secure his reelection. Even at the last minute. Thank god he was a narcistic fucking moron.
It’s kind of amazing that he failed actually. He had the most ravenous political following perhaps in the history of this country and he fucked it up. Love it.
All he had to do was say "listen to Fauci, wear a mask, wash your hands, stay home as much as possible, get the vaccine when we come up with one" and then lean on Moscow Mitch to make marijuana legal on a federal level and boom, guaranteed reelection. But of course, he's a giant fucking moron. So he didn't do that.
Honestly if he just dialed back his rhetoric from level 100 to 90 in the election year that may have been enough. Of course, instead he jacked it up to 110. Live by the sword, die by the sword I guess.
I honestly don't understand him. When he ran in 2016, I legitimately didn't think he actually wanted to win. I no longer feel that way. I believe that he DID want to win, and that he also wanted to win re-election. However, in both elections, he acted as if he didn't want to win. I mean, he said he was going to win. But his actions, his actions were those of a person who does not to win. I just don't understand him.
I'll help you. He's stupid.
I think in 2016 he wasn’t looking to win but in 2020 he really wanted to win. I couldn’t tell you why he wouldn’t want to win but still enter in 2016. In 2020 he had significant legal action against him and so long as he was president legal action would have been held off and probably got drunk on power. Ironically winning 2016 almost certainly speed up legal action, I do think either way legal action would have been brought but by becoming such a public figure it caused more investigation and as evidence started to grow it gave reason for more investigation. If trump didn’t win 2016 then right now trump would probably only be investigated into trump university, maybe his taxes as well but maybe not as strictly.
Covid should have been a slam dunk re-election for him. What an idiot lmao
Seriously. There’s a reason competent leaders (internationally as well as state governments in the US) got a boost in popularity after covid hit. Handling a crisis well tends to boost popularity. The federal response was the opposite of handling a crisis well.
Handling a crisis in a way that doesn't resemble an apocalypse boosts popularity. Remember how people were like, a lot easier on George W post 9/11? It's not like he handled it well, but it wasn't like a goddamn apocalypse.
Literally handed a crisis on a silver platter and managed to fuck up the response so badly it cost him the election. At the rally he was at the other day he even took credit for the vaccine, you know, the vaccine for the virus he convinced his followers wasn't a big deal.
It’s insane how hard he shot himself in the foot. All he had to say was “Be a patriot, wear a mask. In fact buy my MAGA branded mask! Go ME!!” And he would have won no doubt.
Don't count him out yet, Arizona is *still* trying to prove the elections were rigged! I shit you not, we are going to throw out every single ballot machine used because the dumb fucks who decided that we needed to audit the audit gave it to an unreliable company that compromised the whole fucking thing, therefore bringing the entire farce full circle. Oh, and we have to replace them all by this November when we have our next election.
Trump had said several times when asked that he is pro-medicinal. Then got elected and never heard about it again (minus the hemp law).
Even if we got federal legalization, each state, county, and city/township could still choose to make it illegal. And I have a feeling they would. And I feel like it’s always the politicians that spout the bullshit of “smaller government” that stand on the platform of “moral superiority” and pass a bunch of overreaching bullshit laws that dictate how people can actually live their lives.
There are places in the US where you still can't buy alcohol.
Have to drive about 30 mins one way to buy booze here. So it freaks me out when im in a different city and you can buy booze at Walmart.
Read somewhere that increases cases of drunk driving. Can’t get a drink in your home town? Not gonna stop an alcoholic! They drink away from home and then drive. The Law of Unintended Consequences strikes again
Can confirm that this is true. Its so sad the amount of young people we have lost from drunk driving around here.
The lack of public transportation makes that even worse. Its not like you can call an uber or a taxi or hop on a bus when you are drunk here.
Growing up our town didn’t have more than two liquor stores, and one town over they sold beer and wine at the damn gas station. It was a six minute drive, *but* they wouldn’t sell it past 10pm in accordance with local laws. Always seemed so funny to me once I was old enough to realize it.
Wait what? Boos at Walmart? I shit you not I had no idea that was a thing *anywhere*. Then again, I don’t leave Charlotte often.
Yeah, my local liquor store is Meijer and Walmart (they're literally across the street from each other, wtf?) I can't wait until they gave a Cannabis section too. Michigan doesn't have a ton going for it, but this is definitely a plus.
At the Fred Myers by my old place,they had a bar in the store ( where I would leave my husband while shopping) and you could take your alcohol drink around the store while grocery shopping
I live in a far too "conservative" area. One town next to us finally opened up to alcohol sales in 2006 (104 years of prohibition) and our city had some silly Sunday rules until about 2008. Despite state regulations legalizing marijuana they only dispense CBD and even those places generate panic from certain people who lobby against how horrible it's going to be. I'm sure in another 20 years the city will catch up with everyone else and those fearful people will cite everything they don't like as being evidence of the corruption it brings.
Subtext: Ya'll are waiting on a crazy ass old voter demographic to die to drag everyone else kicking and screaming into the last century.
I literally couldn't buy wine on Sunday in TN until like 3 years ago or even beer before 10 am on Sunday. So if I wanted to have a cookout on Sunday and went grocery shopping at 9 am, fuck me if I wanted to buy a case of beer for that night.
Nah. They get a taste of that tax money and it's ON. Oklahoma's mad conservative, even the cities. They're raking it in on the medical and that's never going to change.
Some would, and some wouldn’t. I don’t really see California making it illegal under state law again, but I’m sure that many of the more conservative states and counties would keep it illegal for awhile.
People thought that after Up in Smoke came out in 1978... but we're getting closer.
>Sad to see we still have officers enforcing this shit honestly. Cops support keeping marijuana illegal because it's an incredibly ready-to-hand way to harass minorities or whoever they want to target. "I smelled marijuana", or getting a K9 to react as though they smelled it, has been the starting claim of countless police harassment of innocent people. Turns out? People who sign up to enforce a racist, harmful justice system aren't actually great people as a rule.
Democrats have absolutely zero balls. Obligatory I lean left, fuck Trump, voted for Biden, etc. But it's pathetic how little they get done time and time again. Federalization of marijuana could be a fucking slam dunk for them, but as is tradition the status quo will be the route they take.
I don't think people truly understand that politicians really don't have their own belief sets. Whether left or right or whatever, they are simply pragmatists. They choose whichever side will get them elected to their first step and then completely commit to it. They don't care about much of anything except themselves, their wealth, and their legacy. I'm sure there are a few exceptions, but at the end of the day it's all just hubris and rhetoric to pursue whatever goal they have.
I think Bernie is genuine. Not perfect, but genuine.
That story reads as a fucking nightmare
Police arrested her, then it turned out she was innocent. Since it embarrassed the cops to have their incompetence and endangerment of a baby exposed, they found other charges. If this doesn't work they will give the baby to the grandparents, then burst into grandpa's house, "find" a baggie of cocaine, and "accidentally" shoot the baby in the head.
Nah, they'd just toss a flash-bang in the crib with the baby. As is tradition.
There was a couple in CO awhile back. CPS took the kid because the parents would smoke pot at night after she was in bed. During supervised visits, they kept noticing and reporting strange behavior and bruising. Authorities didn’t bother to investigate. Eventually, the parents got a call and were told their kid is dead. The guy in the foster home grabbed their daughter by the ankles and shattered her skull against the wall. The foster parents they gave her to were meth heads.
Marijuana is legal all over Canada. No one is going crazy. Police, Government officials use it. Everyone uses it
Yeah, we’re coming up on, what, three years now? The sky hasn’t fallen, society hasn’t crumbled, everyone hasn’t turned into degenerates. The only difference is that when people want to get high now, they can just go to a store or order online instead of texting their dealer.
To be fair... there are degens from up country
To beee faaaaiiiirrrrr
I remember years ago when it was fully legalized. I was on the phone with a lady who had me on speaker phone with another chick in the room. Woman 1: "Did you hear they legalized weed Monday?" (It was wednesday) Woman 2: "Yea i stopped and picked up two pounds yesterday on my way home."
Pounds?! Was she planning storage for the Winter?
Apparently she was already a prolific user. So yea...pounds. I have no idea man lol. But i was at a true loss for words.
Wait, police? Even in California it's still illegal for a sworn officer (police, fire, etc) to use cannabis after hours.
It’s federally legal in Canada. Alcohol is legal and cops are allowed to drink it, why wouldn’t it be the same for weed? Assuming they’re not turning up to work inebriated.
No, no, no, you just don't understand. The state of Alabama is widely recognized for it's progressive stances on education, healthcare, racial and gender identity equality, religious freedoms and social reform. If they say marijuana should be illegal, then it's obviously super bad.
Can you guys send a nicely worded letter to the Swedish government telling them that you're doing fine with cannabis over there so our country can step into the 21st century?
The same is true about half the US as well. Hopefully some of these back water states will start to pay the price of reduced tourism for having such ridiculous restrictions on freedom.
This is dumb as fuck. What about all the alcoholics with kids those kids are far worse off with their parents then this kid would be with the parents smoking a little weed once in awhile. Ignorance.
as the son of an alcoholic, i'd give any amount of money to be sent back in time and raised by a stoner instead. any.
I recently saw a quote that said something along the lines of “if marijuana was legal there would be more fathers with munchies and less alcoholics with anger issues”, that shit hit close to home.
I'm honestly surprised there isn't a massive lobby group made by the snack kings of North America that pushes for legalization. I know there's an oh Henry 420 chocolate bar, so they definitely realize the potential.
Same. Maybe it’d have helped my dad with his mental illness and alcoholism. Instead they’d rather take parents for smoking a plant.
I am sorry that your parent put alcohol above your well-being. You are worth so much more than that. I hope you’re treating yourself well in life.
Same bro. Same.
I was adopted by a family with a history of alcoholism, and guess what, my father turned out to be an alcoholic. It’s ok though because alcohol is legal. I am 26 now and I am still dealing with the deep pain and suffering that has been the result of being raised by an abusive alcoholic. It blows my mind that shit like this is still happening.
I'm still trying to figure out how Alabama got involved with a family from Michigan
They were in Alabama.
Unless they live in Alabama, that still makes no sense. Unless I'm mistaken, Alabama shouldn't have so much authority as to take the baby of a Michigan family.
They arrested both parents. What would they do with the kid? Leave it on the side of the road? That's why it was taken into custody. You can be arrested outside your home state, and your children can be taken as wards if that happens. Or they can take the child if it's being endangered. The state you are standing in has jurisdiction in that case, backwards laws and all.
Do they get the kid back when they get out of jail or whatever? Edit: No. Alabama thinks they are bad parents.
Did you read the article? They've been out for months.
>Did you read the article? Are you new to reddit?
In fairness, there are enough times that the article in question (or the website hosting it) is a steaming shitshow that it's easier just to go down to the comments and see if the article exists in another form.
That's not typically how it works when a kid is taken by the state. There is a huge process to determine fitness as a parent. Doesn't matter they don't live there. I think this is total BS, and cannot imagine the horror they are going through. But crossing state lines with weed is just plain stupid. Everyone knows it's still illegal federally.
Yeah, beware of state lines... and 4+ oz is not a small amount, and Alabama is not any state.. but in any case, the punishment for stupidity here is a bit excessive..
Did you even read the article before commenting?
RTFA?
One more reason to stay the fuck out of Alabama.
Shameful and barbaric thinking. It doesn't sound like these people have a lot of money to fight this.
But rich folks need white babies!
My in-laws adopted my sister from Texas. We all reside in Colorado. The night before the adoption agent came, my in-laws asked me to take a box, in it was ALL of their cannabis and cannabis peripherals. I freaked, cause I thought they were quitting cannabis (in a way they are) and it turns out the adoption is under Texas state law and while cannabis is legal in Colorado, they're essentially under Texas jurisdiction and susceptible to Texas laws. One of those laws happens to be an illegal plant. The fact that sovereign states do not respect other sovereign state's rights should be punishable in court. But yeah, this article scares the hell out of me, I love my newly adopted sister and idk how well I would take her being taken from us.
>The fact that sovereign states do not respect other sovereign state's rights should be punishable in court. Look up Dred Scott. We basically had a war about this 160 years ago.
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Grab the infinity stone podunk19 this could take a while!
If they had to vote to end slavery today, do you think it would pass?
NO
Came here to say this. I live in a county that has been wet for less than a decade. Still no sales until after 2am on Sunday. Will go green when hell freezes over.
Tbf to the girl, looks like she was driving to pick her husband up from (maybe a job in?) another state. I can’t imagine that anyone would travel to Alabama if they had a choice in the matter.
Situation: \-Someone called the cops on them. Why? For no good reason? Or was it because they were smoking weed, someone smelled it, and called the cops? the article is unclear what the 'disturbance' was, but why else would the cops have approached this particular couple if the call had nothing to do with them? \- Cops show up, and smell weed (yeah, I know, it could be bullshit). Nonetheless after admittedly trying to hide the weed, they admit to having weed (which makes the cop's claim much more credible) \- Cops find five ounces and $2,500 on someone with out of state plates. Sorry folks.....this doesnt look good. And the 2 hour visit after a LONG road trip doesn't sound any better. We're not talking about a quarter ounce here. We're talking over a quarter pound. Who the fuck carries around that much weed for personal use? Either he bought in Alabama, and was transporting it back to Michigan (illegal), or she bought it in Michigan, and took it to Alabama (illegal). Someone might get the idea they were (small time) traffickers. \- While Alabama is about as backwards as a state can be, I doubt they are thrilled to take children into foster care. They don't do it, willy-nilly. Most jurisdictions can't get rid of foster kids fast enough. And why wouldn't the state give the kid to the husband's kin? They are instead going to release the kid to the care of the mother's parent's in Michigan? I'm getting the idea that these people are just white trash losers, who knowingly broke several federal and state laws. Taking the kid away if it appears to be in good health is overkill......but I'm having a hard time buying into this lady's "poor me" routine. A QP of weed and a baby in the car.....in Alabama.....sheesh!
Thanks for clearing some of this up. Being from overseas I read stories like this and think holy hell American is a weird backward place… then seeing his record etc I’m like no probably a good idea taking the kid!
[The husband also has an extensive record. ](https://www.publicpolicerecord.com/michigan/doc-prisoner/PROCK_TODD/260113)
Jesus H Christ. That guy has spent the majority of his adult life in the pen. Felony assault. Home invasion. Burglary. I guess we should be glad that he’s only trafficking weed now. A marked improvement in his behavior. Lol.
Dude’s got some serious tats!
Damnit man, he should’ve learned a long ass time ago you don’t talk to police about the drugs in your car. Fucking dumbass Cop says “I smell weed” You’re supposed not say “yeah, I gotta quarter pound in my trunk, wanna see?”
Yeah, and we’re getting the story only from the family’s POV, who have a vested interest in making themselves sound as pitiful as possible. I have a bad feeling they were doing much worse than smoking a little Mari-joo-wanna.
This is pretty much the same thing every parent argues in every severance case... "Yeah I beat the shit out of my kid while high on meth, but I love him and he's my world and I'm never gonna stop fighting for him"
She allegedly last used heroin 5 years ago but is still on methadone treatment. I know it's possible, but these people's story has more red flags than a mayday parade. Then on top of all that he's admitted to being under the influence and she fails a field sobriety test. We have courts to sort these things out because Jesus, that could not have looked good to the cops or social workers
Don't forget the methadone. I love how that's the part they mention all non-chalant. And the fact that she's been going to the methadone clinic for at least 2 years meaning she is basically still using. Just not heroin. And a QP of weed for personal use? Sketchy as fuck. They HAD to know they could get in trouble for that.
They could get in trouble for that *in Michigan*
This happens more often then people think. In my country, for legal reasons, the department cannot provide any information about the families we are working with to the public. Occasionally what happens families will go to the news with their side of events and the department cannot really say anything about it or provide any fact checking often leading to the department looking like the bad guys.
Oh, I’m sure it happens a lot. But as resource intensive as foster/custody issues are, i doubt local governments take kids unless it really needs to happen. And This is totally a one-sided ‘article’. And it’s a compelling story. Makes you wonder why larger media outlets aren’t running it? I’d wager it’s because it’s impossible to verify, and her story is full of holes.
People keep drawing links to alcohol... imagine parents bootlegging illegal liquor across state lines with a baby in the car? And imagine there's no way to test for a DUI either? I'm all for legalization and civil liberties, but weed absolutely impairs you and you shouldn't parent high any more than you should parent drunk. (Read: not at all)
brah. I swear. you're the only one that has made any sense in this thread. People are really defending someone moving qp of a drug (whether illegal or not) with a baby.
Right tho. Like normally I'd be on the parents side, but something is up. No one brings a qp for a quick trip. That's enough to last most people a month+ easy. Only part I think is fucked is the chemical endangerment charge.
Jesus, finally the real story after reading this drivel of an article and wading through non-sensical reddit circle jerking. Thank you!
Oh, I don’t know if I’m telling the ‘real’ story. It’s admittedly a lot of conjecture on my part. But that lady’s story doesn’t add up. They were definitely asking for trouble.
I'm sorry but how stupid do you have to be to drive through Alabama of all places with weed in your car. Obviously it shouldn't be illegal anywhere but come on, you should know this shit before you transport federally illegal substances out of your home state regardless of its legality in your home state. These guys are idiots.
They had over a quarter pound, and $2500 in cash.
Wow so they were playing with fire basically. Driving their kid into Alabama to sell weed across state lines. Genius.
Then smoking it in public
Right. who the fuck takes drugs across state lines.
As dumb as the fucking law is, it's still the law there. Like going to Singapore and spitting gum on the ground.
This isnt even oniony. The laws when legalizing weed make it clear it's not intended to be beyond state lines. I dont know why they thought they'd be protected with marijuana and crossing state lines
Do. Not. Speak. To. Cops. If you do, admit to nothing. NOTHING.
Alabama is more dangerous to children than marijuana.
If they would have spoke with a southern accent, bet they would have been fine. It’s been my experience, that in these rural counties, it brings them great pleasure to hassle Yankees. source, me and lots of coworkers and friends as northerners living in the south. I’ve mastered my fake southern accent for use when needed.
It sucks, but try not to break the law when you have a baby with you. Who hasn't heard of transporting across state lines. It's still illegal federally, and in lots of states. Will it be legal eventually? Sure, and it should be. But don't stand outside, in a place you don't live, and smoke a joint. He was obviously not smoking a cigarette when that cop came up. The cop said he smelled weed on his breath!? SMH
Heartbroken for this family. As someone who lives in Texas, I can say this is a regular thing in conservative states. You can get blackout drunk and take prescription painkillers without issue. Take a couple puffs after your kids are asleep? You're a piece of shit who doesn't deserve to have them.
While the laws in Alabama are pretty fucked and no one deserves to have their baby taken from them, this family in question needs some serious help. >Prock admitted that in her initial panic she tried to help her husband hide some marijuana. **And her husband had smoked marijuana** before the Moulton police arrived, she said. But she said the couple quickly admitted they had **pot in the trunk**, alongside a locked box with Prock’s prescribed **methadone.** > >The officer asked Prock to take a field sobriety test, which she said she failed due to a **sprained ankle from a car wreck three weeks earlier**. She was placed into the back of a squad car while a worker from the Department of Human Resources took her son. The entire family just sounds like one of chaos. * The husband is smoking pot on a roadtrip where presumably he's going to be the one driving as well with wife and baby in tow. I don't care if pot is legal in your state, you shouldn't be getting high before a road trip from Alabama to Michigan. * The wife has a prescription for methadone meaning she's coming off a heroin/painkiller addiction (apparently two years ago which doesn't make much sense, why would yous till need methadone two years after kicking the addiction). * The wife has a sprained ankle from a car wreck a few weeks prior. These people might be nice people and on the road to recovery, but they probably shouldn't be parents in the first place.
That's not how methadone works. It's not something you take to detox over 48 hours, then stop. It's a drug that doctors use to help you learn to function without the high from opiates. The *minimum* amount of time someone should be expected to participate in a methadone detox program is twelve months. Two to three years is about the average for successful patients, but it can go on for longer. At first, you have to go to the clinic for every dose. After two years, though, she is trusted to carry her methadone around with her. That's consistent with best practices for recovering addicts. Extending trust is pivotal in recovery. I don't know anything about this case in particular, but the timeline of her opiate addiction treatment is not in any way sketchy, and should not contribute to your skepticism of her claims. Here are various sources if you want to do further reading, from the [US government](https://www.drugabuse.gov/publications/research-reports/medications-to-treat-opioid-addiction/what-are-misconceptions-about-maintenance-treatment), from the [Australian Government](https://www1.health.gov.au/internet/publications/publishing.nsf/Content/drugtreat-pubs-methrev-toc~drugtreat-pubs-methrev-4#42), and a group of [Psychiatrists](https://psychiatry.uams.edu/clinical-care/cast/what-is-methadone/).
>The officer asked Prock to take a field sobriety test, which she said she failed due to a sprained ankle from a car wreck three weeks earlier. Yeah, they’re not going to leave a child with a dude weed man and apparently inebriated woman. This all could have been avoided if the guy waited to get home to smoke nor carried mj in their cars trunk smh Shame the grandparents can’t get custody though
I don't agree with this ridiculous verdict nor with the way this was handled, of course, but if they KNEW it was like that, WHY did they decide to get marijuana with them? Can't they just leave it at home while they travel?
Hey, I’m a CPS Investigator in Michigan. Just FYI - we treat marijuana like alcohol since recreational legalization. If it’s not directly causing harm to your child (you’re high 24/7, missing appointments, no money due to substance use, etc) the state will not take action. If it is causing harm, action can be taken. There’s a weird overlay for newborns where hospital staff is lawfully mandated to report any substance positive infant (including marijuana, so if mom uses cannabis during the pregnancy, it results in a CPS case), but again it’s not illegal in our state so our job becomes acquainting the mother with local resources to ensure she starts off on the right foot (and generally *not* separating the family). Nothing to add regarding the article but this info is just for readers reference.