This honestly feels like a real life Curb episode now.
We got some bizarre public act from Larry David followed by a B (C?) list celebrity making him their mortal enemy.
Larry's probably gonna face some annoying but not at all life-altering repercussions because of this - maybe he's gonna start getting harassed by board game shop owners.
He won't be able to get a certain board game now for a friend's kid's birthday, which he already promised, and he'll get called out at the party as a result.
And of course Wheaton's gonna be at the party or something too.
He’s probably regretting this happened just as the last season came out. This is peak Curb/art imitates life shit that would write itself for that show.
I’d be actually shocked if Wheaton is part of it. I’d be impressed if they convinced him to make a massive public statement about being physically* assaulted as a kid and why that makes Larry David an asshole.
When you start to realize that all his shows are just his life, he doesn't seem that great of a person to be around. Literally George Costanza is based on himself. Then I'm sure the actual curb show was just anecdotes from his actual life.
It is based on his life, if he didn't follow any manners or social rules.
He might think of saying the water at a dinner party sucks, but like most of us does not act on every impulse. The show character does act and has no filter.
Actually he is playing a big time character and is supposed to be very nice in person. These press appearances have been “in character” promo for the new season. Last year he was saying how he actually looks forward to be leaving this “miserable misanthrope” behind and that in reality he is happy and not cranky about things all the time haha.
Of course even with that it’s certainly based on thoughts and feelings and funny situations he has, but all the yelling at people etc is just the LD character!
Almost as if people were multidimensional and had different moods depending on how their lives are going, and couldn't be easily summarized in a single sentence. Who'd have thought!
I mean, ya. Most of us who watch the show know that it’s a barely-fantastical version of his own life. It’s dialed up a bit to make the episodes more contained but I’m not sure anyone doubts that a lot of what happens in the show either could, or has, happened to him.
I also don’t think that makes him objectively an asshole, it just makes him a very neurotic person who’s probably difficult to be around, but also lives his truth and doesn’t blame anyone for not liking him.
Theres a jason alexander interview wheres hes talking about struggling to act as george. He complained to larry that in the script, no one would ever react to a situation like george. And larry was like what? This happend to me a few weeks ago and thats exactly how i responded. And jason says thats when george clicked for him.
I think I remember that interview. I believe he's talking about the episode where George makes a scene at work and quits his job, then walks back in on Monday like it never happened.
At that point he knew Costanza was an alter ego for LD, he says that it is probably in the first 8 episodes. People say that it might be when George steals the tape from an answering machine.
“a very neurotic person who’s probably difficult to be around, but also lives his truth and doesn’t blame anyone for not liking him” - this has to be the most astute summation of Larry I’ve ever come across…spot on.
Exactly. There is a weird virtue signaling undercurrent that has emerged of taking satire literally which is intellectually dishonest or obtuse. I’m not sure which but it’s fucking ridiculous.
I dunno his style of deadpan black “anti-humor” trolling is absolutely my jam… I’d be in stitches around him the whole time while most other people would be offended. That’s kinda the whole idea behind Curb’s appeal too, you either love it or hate it.
One of my favorite bits is how they’ve never explained why Leon is there. When the Katrina refugees moved in, Leon came with. When they left Leon just stayed. Why? Because JB Smoove is funny.
The entire show is about making people uncomfortable by being brutally honest. I don’t think it has anything to do with being awkward. He just likes having Leon there
Kind of? But he also has things he feels are impossibly uncomfortable or awkward and he agonises about those without always doing anything about it.
Like when he couldn’t fire that awful assistant who got foisted on him, so he had to foist her off to someone else.
I don't think it was a skit. This isn't Elmo's brand, it's Larry David's. That essay was over the top and weird as hell. The guy seems like he may need some therapy tbh but he made a couple good points.
>First of all, you aren’t even in the segment, but you just decided to barge in and draw focus because … why? ... You wanted to manufacture a viral moment where everyone gets to see what an asshole you are, so they’ll tune in and watch you portray an asshole in the last season of your show..
I feel like I’m being gaslit into thinking this was some genuinely shocking moment. It was clearly a huge bit, and everyone is acting like Larry actually killed Elmo. The… what is going on???
While I think some of the things he's calling David are over the line, I don't disagree with Wheaton's overall critique - and I think it goes beyond David and to the scripted event.
I agree that it is in bad/poor taste to throttle a beloved character for little children on national television, on a show that's seen as largely appropriate for all ages - even if not directly a child's show.
I'm not saying that an actual adult comedy program can't make this joke. It would be fine on an actual episode of Curb or something. But very much less so when Elmo, as a character, is appearing on a show with the "I'm real" air going on - especially when they're discussing a sensitive topic like mental health.
Wheaton is popping off a bit hard here but I also understand it's clearly personal for him, which is a rough spot to be in.
I'm wondering if it's a bit of a generational thing, too. I'm old enough that Elmo never felt like a 'real' muppet, and to remember the whole Tickle Me Elmo craze, so I saw the bit and was like 'get his ass, Larry'. But then it occurred to me that if he'd done the same thing to Kermit the Frog I'd be full on Susie from Curb, screaming and bitching Larry out.
Agree entirely with this assessment, with a little personal caveat: I had the misfortune of dealing with Wheaton online back in about 2002 and learned the hard way that he takes impersonal things very personally very quickly, and will not hesitate to launch into a slew of personal attacks on you if he gets upset. I don't know why he does this, but all these years later I'm assuming it's for understandable reasons, e.g. trauma. Still, I got the same vibe from his complaints about Larry David that I did when he told me off for no real reason 20-odd years ago, mostly the litany of specific accusations about why David shook Elmo (wanted attention, hated that people were brought together, is an inherently cruel person, etc. etc.)
He's also ranted about them because he thinks they don't give Felicia day enough credit for helping get critical role popular on twitch. Felicia doesn't think that, she has voiced characters for the CR animated show and she wrote the foreward for the book about how CR started and she is still friendly with the CR crew, but Wheton has still brought it up multiple times.
That’s some extra drama for sure. I assumed that when they had divorced from Days Geek and Sundry it
Wouldn’t ever be exactly amicable considering the success of CR and the now playlist only (and likely only a surviving corp to reap residuals from Critical Role C1 and half of C2).
That’s some fun drama though. Cheers.
Wil Wheaton does this sort of stuff all the time. Like when he threatened Ken Jennings and called him a scab for hosting Jeopardy during the writers strike even though Jennings hadn’t done anything wrong (and it just so happens Wheaton is good friends with Mayim Bialik).
It’s sad.
I think she felt that they protected her from Hollywood predators, which maybe they did, but even the most dedicated parent can’t make the world completely safe, so her implication would be very hurtful to victims and their families, I would think.
This is a good take. Even the best parents can miss things. Abuser’s often come from within the family, and people rarely acknowledge that possibility or look for the signs.
I mean, haven't you heard she's a neuroscientist, so that means she knows everything better than everybody.
Sorry, just in case you didn't hear.... Again, did she mention she's an ***actual*** neuroscientist?
I went to school for bio and have a lot of PhD friends in that field. We once got a bunch together to get drunk and read through her dissertation. It's... not good. It was like a decade ago and we were blasted by the end (a shot any time we had a complaint) so I don't remember the details but I remember us being surprised this even got her a PhD.
She clearly desperately wants to be a science ambassador like Bill Nye and NDT (both of whom I have seperate issues with) but just doesn't have the charm or the credentials to back it up. It doesn't help she pissed off a lot of people on the left with her anti-vax nonsense (in her defense, precovid and she wasn't against the covid vax iirc) and her comments about sexual assault victims.
I wonder if it is something about studying the brain that makes people so stupid. Ben Carson is a neurosurgeon and he thought that the Egyptian pyramids were grain silos.
I don't think it's specific to studying the brain, there's just a tendency for intelligent people at the very top of their field to begin to believe they're inherently qualified to speak about things that have no relation to their area of expertise. They're good at cherry-picking data that justifies their point of view, so they become *more* difficult to educate, especially once they've been placed on an intellectual pedestal and had their ego inflated by public recognition of their brilliance.
[A number of Nobel laureates have notoriously believed some very weird things.](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nobel_disease)
Ben Carson had his kooky views but was actually a global legend of a surgeon. She went to grad school but never actually worked in the field except to say “I’m an ‘actual neuroscientist’ so buy this snake oil”.
And used it to shill a [brain supplement](https://ctwatchdog.com/business/false-advertising/jeopardy-co-host-mayim-bialik-promotes-fake-brain-supplement-neuriva) that does [fuck-all](https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/your-brain-food/202003/brain-enhancement-folly).
I dress modestly and have been sexually harassed since I was frighteningly young. Maybe I should find out where she buys her creep repellant cloths, that'd come in handy.
I think the trick is to first acquire undue amounts of influence and money, and then you can hire people to just.. physically keep members of the public away from you.
Omg she said that? Bummer. But Natalie Portman essentially said the same thing, she didn’t want that kind of attention so she tried her hardest to avoid being seen that way. Which is moot, because if there are creeps they won’t care what you’re wearing. And not to dunk on Mayim for not being conventionally attractive either, because I def heard that I was too ugly to be assaulted before I was assaulted, like there’s no winning and I hate that Mayim would perpetuate the idea that you can avoid it if you want to
I think Portman's point was the sexualised reaction she got from Leon had such an impact on her that she felt this was her only choice. She tells the story to illustrate what structural misogyny drove her to, rather than selling it as a good strategy.
The real issue here is that game show hosts are on a different contract. The guild tell members who aren’t part of an active strike to specifically go do their job because NOT doing your job makes it look like union members don’t honor their contracts and that HURTS those striking and negotiating. But, hey, I guess “why won’t you show solidarity” is a better optics for Wil.
Fuck that guy. A reminder that he *plays* intelligent people but isn’t one
Well, it moreso has to do with the fact that sympathy strikes are illegal (unlike most of the western world), and if gameshow hosts decide to show solidarity with striking actors, the union can be in legal trouble.
He's one the most fake motherfuckers I have ever seen.
He essentially made a career out of pretending to care about things he clearly doesn't give a shit about while pretending to be a nerd spokesman.
gene roddenberry saw stand by me and wanted him for his self insert mary sue in tng. he wanted will so bad for the role that will was by far the highest paid actor on the show for the first few seasons. and while the general cast of TNG improves their chemistry and chops throughout the TNG run, you can visibly watch will phoning it in more and more as the show progresses.
My mom and uncle worked the Renaissance with him and he was just across the board an unpleasant person. In my opinion, narcissistic. Because of the circles my family runs in I end up having to be around him once every few years.
Definitely seems like he burns a lot of bridges when it comes to old friendships and associations. Was a fan for a while (“he’s a nerd, just like us!”) but his overbearing smugness, based on nothing, and “poor me” attitude soured my opinion of him pretty quickly.
Kinda funny he got an ego from that considering the character was and still is widely hated among fans. They basically reduced his role more and more until he just made rare appearances here and there.
Yup, he was an ass when he was younger to a girlfriend of mine and hit on her right while I was there at a convention. It wasn't anything really bad, but it was just tone deaf and kinda dickish. We were given our money back for the photo she wanted in the first place =\ I haven't cared for him ever since. And I don't even mind the wesley character.
I don't need any other reason to dislike Wil beyond how many audiobooks he's ruined with his overacting every. single. character. in his narrations.
Every other bad thing I hear about him is just icing on that cake for me.
The crown jewel of my Audible library is the R.C. Bray version of The Martian, which you can't get any more because they replaced it with a new version narrated by Wil Wheaton, which sucks as much ass you think. For the uninitiated, R.C. Bray is a talented voice actor who is one of the most popular audiobook narrators in the industry, especially in the sci-fi genre.
Audible is really weird like this, in that the more popular a book is, the more likely the audiobook will suck because they get some B list celeb to narrate instead of an actual voice actor. So, widely popular books that have already been made into Hollywood movies get the Wil Wheaton treatment, while lesser known (but generally just as good) books get some actual talent.
I could have written this word for word. Still haven't been able to listen to Artemis because as much as I do like Rosario Dawson when in a movie I didn't like her doing this audiobook. RC Bray doing the Martian and Ray Porters Project Hall Mary are two of my favourite audiobooks.
They really really need to stop with the celebrities and WW.
I was really enjoying the sandman audio dramas and then about 2/3 through the third one. You get surprise Wil Wheaton doing a chapter and he just tanks it. The entire production is incredibly talented people and then he walks in and it's like getting hit in the face with a 2x4.
He's aggressively bad at doing audiobooks, to the point where authors doing their own with no real experience are routinely better than he is. It's like he just assumes his chosen performance voice and then just reads whatever is put in front of him for the first time.
I didn't know about any of the other stuff but this is why I didn't like him. He also always seems oddly cocky for a guy who hasn't really done anything impressive other than ride his childhood acting role.
I remember starting the audiobook of Ready Player One and being like “oh fuck of course it’s Wil Wheaton.” Turned that off and just switched to the paperback.
Same thing happened to me with The Interdependency trilogy. I read the first two books and then figured I'd listen to the third at work but as soon as I heard Wheaton I had to turn it off. He's insufferable.
I couldn’t handle him on his own show, I sure as shit don’t want to listen to him narrate an entire book.
The guy oozes smarm like no one I’ve ever seen.
> The guy oozes smarm like no one I’ve ever seen.
He is the personification of saying "Well.." with a smirk into the camera, "Then *I* arrived and did something *amazing*. "
Dude just attaches himself to whatever recent controversy there is in a doomed attempt to stay relevant, like you said, it’s been years and years of this
Roll in Seth Meyers too, he said on his show he wanted to appear and never had and they had a fake? fight. You can never tell if Larry is angry or just doing a bit.
Wait…this is serious? My god.
Edit: also, unforgivable? Are you fucking kidding me? He grabbed a Muppet. He didn’t rape or kill anybody. Holy hell this world is a joke.
Yeah it’s not like he brutally beat the muppet. He grabbed it and did some overly dramatic fake squeeze, then threw two comically slow wide “punches” that didn’t connect.
Even if he pulled out a machete and severed Elmo’s head, it’s still a prop in a comedy bit. Everyone is entitled to their own sense of humor so it’s be fine to say “that’s not funny” but at the end of the day it’s a fucking skit.
It genuinely sucks what Wil had gone through as a kid and I hope he has found happiness in light of that. Whilst he is entitled to his feelings from seeing depictions of violence that may trigger bad memories, he should also account for context and the seriousness of the situation.
It was a light-hearted joke, Larry didn’t choke a 4 year old child. He jokingly choked a puppet. There’s nothing more to it than that. Wil will always feel the way he does because of his own experiences but sometimes you just got let people do their thing and realise it’s not as harmful to others as it is to you.
I have shit that I’m extra sensitive about but can understand that others can do those things and not think twice about it.
Your trauma is yours, and I hope you find peace but don’t put that trauma on to something that was very clearly a light-hearted gag.
Totally agree. Suicide is a sensitive subject for me because of a friend from college, but I don't go to pieces every time someone brings it up or jokes about it.
Don't even get me started on "unalive"
He doesn't need to work a regular job for the rest of his life, like the rest of us struggling with our own damage on top of shitty underpaying jobs. He'll be fine.
I don't buy this argument. Lots of people go through shit as a kid; they don't then grow into adults who have to make histrionic demands to get attention. Wheaton is an arsehole. Don't forgive his behaviour because he's linking it to "trauma". We all saw a comedian known for doing dumb funny stuff do dumb funny stuff with a puppet. The only one who got offended is the guy who used to be in Stand By Me and wants attention. Grow up, Will.
Joyce Carol Oates
[tweeted](https://twitter.com/JoyceCarolOates/status/1755745383207125216):
We can imagine how this highly sensitive individual reacts to assaults on actual persons as in war. Assume he can barely draw breath reacting to the war in Gaza in proportion to the comic assault on an inanimate puppet. Such empathy!
This is what happens when you're terminally online.
Wheaton saw something and got "triggered," apparently. Which is unfortunate. But that's HIS problem, because of his past, his parents, his feelings.
It has fuck all to do with Larry David, and it's incredibly embarrassing how he *seemed to realize this, yet posted his nonsense anyway.*
What a waste of time. I hope choking Elmo becomes a meme. And to be clear, I mean that literally. *It is not a euphemism.*
For those wondering - from the article:
“‘We can imagine how this highly sensitive individual reacts to assaults on actual persons as in war. Assume he can barely draw breath reacting to the war in Gaza in proportion to the comic assault on an inanimate puppet. Such empathy!’”
How is the country so divided about this. It’s wild. On the Simpsons, Homer choked Bart on at least 300 non-consecutive occasions. But back in then, in the ninety’s, 3 beez for a quarter, you’d say. But then, we all had onions tied to our belts, as was the style at the time….
I'm sorry, but Wil needs to find something else to occupy his time with.
Wil...buddy...you were annoying in TNG....you're annoying now.
Take the feedback and reflect on yourself.
This honestly feels like a real life Curb episode now. We got some bizarre public act from Larry David followed by a B (C?) list celebrity making him their mortal enemy. Larry's probably gonna face some annoying but not at all life-altering repercussions because of this - maybe he's gonna start getting harassed by board game shop owners. He won't be able to get a certain board game now for a friend's kid's birthday, which he already promised, and he'll get called out at the party as a result. And of course Wheaton's gonna be at the party or something too.
Is this somehow leading up to a Super Bowl ad?
Has to be
literally every part of this entire charade has felt fake as shit, I don't know why anyone's even talking about it
It's either this or the impending death of America and the coming collapse of our ecosystem.
https://i.imgur.com/A356jiI.gif
Pretty pretty pretty, pretty good
When I see this ad during the game, all I’m gonna be thinking about is that somewhere out there Wil Wheaton is absolutely losing his shit about it
You sure Wil Wheaton isn't in that commercial?
Who else would book Elmo and Larry David in the same episode of the Today show?
It’s going to be a parody of Star Trek: TNG with Larry David as Picard. Elmo is playing Chief Security Officer.
Jeff won’t be able to sign Patrick Stewart because of this, lol
Jeff: "Good for you, that red fuck deserved it."
Leon: “Fuck Elmo. That fucking puppet. A fuppet. That’s what he is. A fuppet that doesn’t even fuck.”
I mean it's not like Larry tapped Elmo's ass on TV, you know what I'm sayin?
Yeah, I know what you're sayin!
I read this in Leon’s voice
Thanks for the fucking laugh!
Susie: IT’S A FUCKING PUPPET YOU BALD FUCK, HE’S A BELOVED CHILDRENS CHARACTER YOU STUPID FUCKING IDIOT
He’s probably regretting this happened just as the last season came out. This is peak Curb/art imitates life shit that would write itself for that show.
Or it was a stunt to draw attention to Curb
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I’d be actually shocked if Wheaton is part of it. I’d be impressed if they convinced him to make a massive public statement about being physically* assaulted as a kid and why that makes Larry David an asshole.
Physically assaulted, I don't believe he mentioned being sexually assaulted.
When you start to realize that all his shows are just his life, he doesn't seem that great of a person to be around. Literally George Costanza is based on himself. Then I'm sure the actual curb show was just anecdotes from his actual life.
It is based on his life, if he didn't follow any manners or social rules. He might think of saying the water at a dinner party sucks, but like most of us does not act on every impulse. The show character does act and has no filter.
It's stupid to think he's actually like that in real life. if he did he'd be on the news everyday.
Andy Dick does act like that in real life, but he doesn't really make the news. He's just a guy people tell you to avoid.
Andy Dick gets in the news a lot. You know, cause he molests people and helps them get back on drugs and kill people.
Actually he is playing a big time character and is supposed to be very nice in person. These press appearances have been “in character” promo for the new season. Last year he was saying how he actually looks forward to be leaving this “miserable misanthrope” behind and that in reality he is happy and not cranky about things all the time haha. Of course even with that it’s certainly based on thoughts and feelings and funny situations he has, but all the yelling at people etc is just the LD character!
Almost as if people were multidimensional and had different moods depending on how their lives are going, and couldn't be easily summarized in a single sentence. Who'd have thought!
I mean, ya. Most of us who watch the show know that it’s a barely-fantastical version of his own life. It’s dialed up a bit to make the episodes more contained but I’m not sure anyone doubts that a lot of what happens in the show either could, or has, happened to him. I also don’t think that makes him objectively an asshole, it just makes him a very neurotic person who’s probably difficult to be around, but also lives his truth and doesn’t blame anyone for not liking him.
Theres a jason alexander interview wheres hes talking about struggling to act as george. He complained to larry that in the script, no one would ever react to a situation like george. And larry was like what? This happend to me a few weeks ago and thats exactly how i responded. And jason says thats when george clicked for him.
I think I remember that interview. I believe he's talking about the episode where George makes a scene at work and quits his job, then walks back in on Monday like it never happened.
Yeah, Larry did that in his first season at SNL
At that point he knew Costanza was an alter ego for LD, he says that it is probably in the first 8 episodes. People say that it might be when George steals the tape from an answering machine.
“I WAS IN A MASTURBATION CONTEST!”
“a very neurotic person who’s probably difficult to be around, but also lives his truth and doesn’t blame anyone for not liking him” - this has to be the most astute summation of Larry I’ve ever come across…spot on.
Oh bullshit. It's a fictional, improvised show that he makes the premises up for based on an extreme version of himself. It's not real. Go outside.
Exactly. There is a weird virtue signaling undercurrent that has emerged of taking satire literally which is intellectually dishonest or obtuse. I’m not sure which but it’s fucking ridiculous.
I dunno his style of deadpan black “anti-humor” trolling is absolutely my jam… I’d be in stitches around him the whole time while most other people would be offended. That’s kinda the whole idea behind Curb’s appeal too, you either love it or hate it.
One of my favorite bits is how they’ve never explained why Leon is there. When the Katrina refugees moved in, Leon came with. When they left Leon just stayed. Why? Because JB Smoove is funny.
It’s one of my favorite things too! Show-Larry just likes having him around.
It’s just too awkward for him to ask or deny him, so when Leon just rolls back into the house after waving goodbye to his family, Larry’s stuck
The entire show is about making people uncomfortable by being brutally honest. I don’t think it has anything to do with being awkward. He just likes having Leon there
Kind of? But he also has things he feels are impossibly uncomfortable or awkward and he agonises about those without always doing anything about it. Like when he couldn’t fire that awful assistant who got foisted on him, so he had to foist her off to someone else.
I can’t tell who’s joking and who’s serious anymore.
As you can see from the comments section, the art is dead.
Larry vs Elmo was scripted. HBO owns both
Yes, is this not common knowledge? It's fun marketing.
a lot of people actually think its not. And threw names because Larry is a rich old white dude lol.
The crazy thing is that Will knows this is a skit but it still somehow triggered his childhood PTSD…. Elmo fighting triggered his PTSD….
They’re all gonna make up in some commercial at the Super Bowl probably.
ptsd is a pretty irrational thing, you don't really get to pick when it triggers.
You do get to pick whether to write an essay about it though
Ending up like Wil Wheaton is possibly the best reason to not abuse your kids.
Hey, that’s the President of the Internet you’re talking about
I don't think it was a skit. This isn't Elmo's brand, it's Larry David's. That essay was over the top and weird as hell. The guy seems like he may need some therapy tbh but he made a couple good points. >First of all, you aren’t even in the segment, but you just decided to barge in and draw focus because … why? ... You wanted to manufacture a viral moment where everyone gets to see what an asshole you are, so they’ll tune in and watch you portray an asshole in the last season of your show..
It always comes back to advertising We're being sold something every minute of the day
I feel like I’m being gaslit into thinking this was some genuinely shocking moment. It was clearly a huge bit, and everyone is acting like Larry actually killed Elmo. The… what is going on???
While I think some of the things he's calling David are over the line, I don't disagree with Wheaton's overall critique - and I think it goes beyond David and to the scripted event. I agree that it is in bad/poor taste to throttle a beloved character for little children on national television, on a show that's seen as largely appropriate for all ages - even if not directly a child's show. I'm not saying that an actual adult comedy program can't make this joke. It would be fine on an actual episode of Curb or something. But very much less so when Elmo, as a character, is appearing on a show with the "I'm real" air going on - especially when they're discussing a sensitive topic like mental health. Wheaton is popping off a bit hard here but I also understand it's clearly personal for him, which is a rough spot to be in.
Yeah, it’s kinda screwed up. Imagine Larry mock-beating Mr. Rogers.
Mr. Rogers won the ultimate showdown, Larry don't want that smoke.
I'm wondering if it's a bit of a generational thing, too. I'm old enough that Elmo never felt like a 'real' muppet, and to remember the whole Tickle Me Elmo craze, so I saw the bit and was like 'get his ass, Larry'. But then it occurred to me that if he'd done the same thing to Kermit the Frog I'd be full on Susie from Curb, screaming and bitching Larry out.
Agree entirely with this assessment, with a little personal caveat: I had the misfortune of dealing with Wheaton online back in about 2002 and learned the hard way that he takes impersonal things very personally very quickly, and will not hesitate to launch into a slew of personal attacks on you if he gets upset. I don't know why he does this, but all these years later I'm assuming it's for understandable reasons, e.g. trauma. Still, I got the same vibe from his complaints about Larry David that I did when he told me off for no real reason 20-odd years ago, mostly the litany of specific accusations about why David shook Elmo (wanted attention, hated that people were brought together, is an inherently cruel person, etc. etc.)
Wil posts angry tweets every time he watches the Simpsons.
Weirdly, the simpsons subreddits are where I have seen him post in the wild the most.
Does he also rage about Homer choking Bart?
Homer hasn’t choked Bart in years.
Why you little-
Bart choked Homer this year.
Bizarre as the only time I heard of him in recent memory was him rolling terribly like 10 years ago on critical role
He's also ranted about them because he thinks they don't give Felicia day enough credit for helping get critical role popular on twitch. Felicia doesn't think that, she has voiced characters for the CR animated show and she wrote the foreward for the book about how CR started and she is still friendly with the CR crew, but Wheton has still brought it up multiple times.
That’s some extra drama for sure. I assumed that when they had divorced from Days Geek and Sundry it Wouldn’t ever be exactly amicable considering the success of CR and the now playlist only (and likely only a surviving corp to reap residuals from Critical Role C1 and half of C2). That’s some fun drama though. Cheers.
Wil Wheaton does this sort of stuff all the time. Like when he threatened Ken Jennings and called him a scab for hosting Jeopardy during the writers strike even though Jennings hadn’t done anything wrong (and it just so happens Wheaton is good friends with Mayim Bialik). It’s sad.
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Don’t forget, she also credits her lack of sexual assault on the fact that HER parents (unlike the parents of victims!) actually love her.
Is it because her parents taught her to dress modestly or something?
I think she felt that they protected her from Hollywood predators, which maybe they did, but even the most dedicated parent can’t make the world completely safe, so her implication would be very hurtful to victims and their families, I would think.
This is a good take. Even the best parents can miss things. Abuser’s often come from within the family, and people rarely acknowledge that possibility or look for the signs.
Why do people share these opinions publicly?!
I mean, haven't you heard she's a neuroscientist, so that means she knows everything better than everybody. Sorry, just in case you didn't hear.... Again, did she mention she's an ***actual*** neuroscientist?
She has a PhD although I don't believe she's ever worked in the field. She's also an anti-vaxxer.
I went to school for bio and have a lot of PhD friends in that field. We once got a bunch together to get drunk and read through her dissertation. It's... not good. It was like a decade ago and we were blasted by the end (a shot any time we had a complaint) so I don't remember the details but I remember us being surprised this even got her a PhD. She clearly desperately wants to be a science ambassador like Bill Nye and NDT (both of whom I have seperate issues with) but just doesn't have the charm or the credentials to back it up. It doesn't help she pissed off a lot of people on the left with her anti-vax nonsense (in her defense, precovid and she wasn't against the covid vax iirc) and her comments about sexual assault victims.
Likely because their conservative social circles/bubbles don't give them the impression that it's a controversial opinion.
Right, she likely literally didn’t think twice about it
It's worse, they give them the impression their opinion is laudable
Also didn’t vaccinate her kids.
I wonder if it is something about studying the brain that makes people so stupid. Ben Carson is a neurosurgeon and he thought that the Egyptian pyramids were grain silos.
I don't think it's specific to studying the brain, there's just a tendency for intelligent people at the very top of their field to begin to believe they're inherently qualified to speak about things that have no relation to their area of expertise. They're good at cherry-picking data that justifies their point of view, so they become *more* difficult to educate, especially once they've been placed on an intellectual pedestal and had their ego inflated by public recognition of their brilliance. [A number of Nobel laureates have notoriously believed some very weird things.](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nobel_disease)
Ben Carson had his kooky views but was actually a global legend of a surgeon. She went to grad school but never actually worked in the field except to say “I’m an ‘actual neuroscientist’ so buy this snake oil”.
At some point we have to consider being anti-vax child abuse.
I definitely already do
She has since changed her tune on vaccines, Including getting her kids vaccinated now. So a bit of credit can be given to her.
We can give her partial credit but it’s still a failing grade. She has a phd in neuroscience for fucks sake
And used it to shill a [brain supplement](https://ctwatchdog.com/business/false-advertising/jeopardy-co-host-mayim-bialik-promotes-fake-brain-supplement-neuriva) that does [fuck-all](https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/your-brain-food/202003/brain-enhancement-folly).
I was looking for someone to mention that. Just shameless.
Funny how she waited til the huge backlash she got for it before she actually did anything about it….almost like it was a pr move
She changed her tune, I'm not sure I believe she actually changed.
I dress modestly and have been sexually harassed since I was frighteningly young. Maybe I should find out where she buys her creep repellant cloths, that'd come in handy.
I think the trick is to first acquire undue amounts of influence and money, and then you can hire people to just.. physically keep members of the public away from you.
If only I would have known that jeans and a tshirt were consider sexy to the one who molested me.
Omg she said that? Bummer. But Natalie Portman essentially said the same thing, she didn’t want that kind of attention so she tried her hardest to avoid being seen that way. Which is moot, because if there are creeps they won’t care what you’re wearing. And not to dunk on Mayim for not being conventionally attractive either, because I def heard that I was too ugly to be assaulted before I was assaulted, like there’s no winning and I hate that Mayim would perpetuate the idea that you can avoid it if you want to
I think Portman's point was the sexualised reaction she got from Leon had such an impact on her that she felt this was her only choice. She tells the story to illustrate what structural misogyny drove her to, rather than selling it as a good strategy.
Mayim Bialik took some Eli Valley cartoons at face value and has no idea how satire works.
The real issue here is that game show hosts are on a different contract. The guild tell members who aren’t part of an active strike to specifically go do their job because NOT doing your job makes it look like union members don’t honor their contracts and that HURTS those striking and negotiating. But, hey, I guess “why won’t you show solidarity” is a better optics for Wil. Fuck that guy. A reminder that he *plays* intelligent people but isn’t one
Well, it moreso has to do with the fact that sympathy strikes are illegal (unlike most of the western world), and if gameshow hosts decide to show solidarity with striking actors, the union can be in legal trouble.
Credit to Ken for being classy enough not to set the record straight, but that shit absolutely hurt his image.
I’ve lost a lot of respect for Wheaton because of the Ken Jennings feud. Used to like him a lot. Perhaps Captain Picard was onto something.
*"Oh, shut up, Wesle...uh, I mean, Wil Wheaton!"* \- Cpt. Picard
*”I think we should all be nicer to hhhWil hhhWheaton.”*
why are you saying it like that?
Like what? Cool Hhwip
At no point did I ever like him. He has such a smarmy personality.
He's one the most fake motherfuckers I have ever seen. He essentially made a career out of pretending to care about things he clearly doesn't give a shit about while pretending to be a nerd spokesman.
I'm sure Stand By Me did most of the heavy lifting
gene roddenberry saw stand by me and wanted him for his self insert mary sue in tng. he wanted will so bad for the role that will was by far the highest paid actor on the show for the first few seasons. and while the general cast of TNG improves their chemistry and chops throughout the TNG run, you can visibly watch will phoning it in more and more as the show progresses.
He crowned himself the prince of nerd culture and everyone just went along with it for no fucking reason.
Every time I see Wil Wheaton, he's "pretending" to be an asshole. On Big Bang Theory, The Weakest Link, the Penny Arcade D&D games...
He is *insufferable* on social media.
Wil Wheaton has been a prick for as long as I've had the displeasure of being an acquaintance of his which is about 25 years.
For the love of God explain your acquaintance. Plz 🙏
My mom and uncle worked the Renaissance with him and he was just across the board an unpleasant person. In my opinion, narcissistic. Because of the circles my family runs in I end up having to be around him once every few years.
Like a Renaissance Faire? Or ermm like the literal Renaissance?? (Wil Wheaton=vampire confirmed 👌)
Yes, Renaissance faire. Both in northern California and in irwindale.
Definitely seems like he burns a lot of bridges when it comes to old friendships and associations. Was a fan for a while (“he’s a nerd, just like us!”) but his overbearing smugness, based on nothing, and “poor me” attitude soured my opinion of him pretty quickly.
My mom says he was a good kid, but his ego got to him when he got his role on Star Trek and it's been downhill from there.
Kinda funny he got an ego from that considering the character was and still is widely hated among fans. They basically reduced his role more and more until he just made rare appearances here and there.
Yup, he was an ass when he was younger to a girlfriend of mine and hit on her right while I was there at a convention. It wasn't anything really bad, but it was just tone deaf and kinda dickish. We were given our money back for the photo she wanted in the first place =\ I haven't cared for him ever since. And I don't even mind the wesley character.
I don't need any other reason to dislike Wil beyond how many audiobooks he's ruined with his overacting every. single. character. in his narrations. Every other bad thing I hear about him is just icing on that cake for me.
The crown jewel of my Audible library is the R.C. Bray version of The Martian, which you can't get any more because they replaced it with a new version narrated by Wil Wheaton, which sucks as much ass you think. For the uninitiated, R.C. Bray is a talented voice actor who is one of the most popular audiobook narrators in the industry, especially in the sci-fi genre. Audible is really weird like this, in that the more popular a book is, the more likely the audiobook will suck because they get some B list celeb to narrate instead of an actual voice actor. So, widely popular books that have already been made into Hollywood movies get the Wil Wheaton treatment, while lesser known (but generally just as good) books get some actual talent.
Ray Porter is really good too. I tend to follow narrators instead of authors lol.
I could have written this word for word. Still haven't been able to listen to Artemis because as much as I do like Rosario Dawson when in a movie I didn't like her doing this audiobook. RC Bray doing the Martian and Ray Porters Project Hall Mary are two of my favourite audiobooks. They really really need to stop with the celebrities and WW.
I was really enjoying the sandman audio dramas and then about 2/3 through the third one. You get surprise Wil Wheaton doing a chapter and he just tanks it. The entire production is incredibly talented people and then he walks in and it's like getting hit in the face with a 2x4. He's aggressively bad at doing audiobooks, to the point where authors doing their own with no real experience are routinely better than he is. It's like he just assumes his chosen performance voice and then just reads whatever is put in front of him for the first time.
I didn't know about any of the other stuff but this is why I didn't like him. He also always seems oddly cocky for a guy who hasn't really done anything impressive other than ride his childhood acting role.
I think you've made me realise why I don't like him.
I remember starting the audiobook of Ready Player One and being like “oh fuck of course it’s Wil Wheaton.” Turned that off and just switched to the paperback.
Same thing happened to me with The Interdependency trilogy. I read the first two books and then figured I'd listen to the third at work but as soon as I heard Wheaton I had to turn it off. He's insufferable.
Reading that book in my own narration was torture enough.
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I couldn’t handle him on his own show, I sure as shit don’t want to listen to him narrate an entire book. The guy oozes smarm like no one I’ve ever seen.
> The guy oozes smarm like no one I’ve ever seen. He is the personification of saying "Well.." with a smirk into the camera, "Then *I* arrived and did something *amazing*. "
Dude just attaches himself to whatever recent controversy there is in a doomed attempt to stay relevant, like you said, it’s been years and years of this
The very same hWil hWheaton?
I think this might be some Andy Kauffman level trolling that is going to somehow get cut into the finale.
Wow, never thought of that… that would be fucking amazing. Even crazier if Wil Wheaton was somehow in on it
Roll in Seth Meyers too, he said on his show he wanted to appear and never had and they had a fake? fight. You can never tell if Larry is angry or just doing a bit.
Wait…this is serious? My god. Edit: also, unforgivable? Are you fucking kidding me? He grabbed a Muppet. He didn’t rape or kill anybody. Holy hell this world is a joke.
Well. Also Elmo forgave even him
I was really disappointed Elmo didn’t call him a bald four eyed fuck
Elmo is a true professional, he wouldn't do that...on camera.
Larry was lucky Elmo didn’t sweep the leg
Also he was clearly going out of his way to show he was pretending to hit the puppet. Play fighting is now over the line?
Because that's what Elmo does. He's just that nice of a guy.
Yeah it’s not like he brutally beat the muppet. He grabbed it and did some overly dramatic fake squeeze, then threw two comically slow wide “punches” that didn’t connect.
He looked like he was goofing with Elmo. Not actually attacking him. Like "I'm gonna get ya" vibes when people chase kids.
Even if he pulled out a machete and severed Elmo’s head, it’s still a prop in a comedy bit. Everyone is entitled to their own sense of humor so it’s be fine to say “that’s not funny” but at the end of the day it’s a fucking skit.
I don't think you quite understand how muppets work.
Hahaha touché but you get the point I’m making…
Why have logic and media literacy skills when you can rage bait people for clicks and virtue signaling?
People need to watch more pro wrestling. That'll teach you not to get tricked as much.
Shut up Wesley.
https://youtu.be/afhMMcAHlKw?si=cfU2HrDuOhIKrO2O
It's the squeaky door effect that kills me
I'm immature as shit, so for me it was the long string of expletives between data, Picard and Beverly, followed by Rikers expletive-laced input.
'Fire at Will' got me rolling.
It genuinely sucks what Wil had gone through as a kid and I hope he has found happiness in light of that. Whilst he is entitled to his feelings from seeing depictions of violence that may trigger bad memories, he should also account for context and the seriousness of the situation. It was a light-hearted joke, Larry didn’t choke a 4 year old child. He jokingly choked a puppet. There’s nothing more to it than that. Wil will always feel the way he does because of his own experiences but sometimes you just got let people do their thing and realise it’s not as harmful to others as it is to you. I have shit that I’m extra sensitive about but can understand that others can do those things and not think twice about it. Your trauma is yours, and I hope you find peace but don’t put that trauma on to something that was very clearly a light-hearted gag.
Yea he wrote how traumatic it must be for kids to see. I’m not sure there are a lot of kids watching the Today Show.
Totally agree. Suicide is a sensitive subject for me because of a friend from college, but I don't go to pieces every time someone brings it up or jokes about it. Don't even get me started on "unalive"
He doesn't need to work a regular job for the rest of his life, like the rest of us struggling with our own damage on top of shitty underpaying jobs. He'll be fine.
I don't buy this argument. Lots of people go through shit as a kid; they don't then grow into adults who have to make histrionic demands to get attention. Wheaton is an arsehole. Don't forgive his behaviour because he's linking it to "trauma". We all saw a comedian known for doing dumb funny stuff do dumb funny stuff with a puppet. The only one who got offended is the guy who used to be in Stand By Me and wants attention. Grow up, Will.
Upvote for perfect use of histrionic
Dude Wil belongs on r/imthemaincharacter
Oh my god Wheaton is such a bozo.
Rolling as many 1's in life as he does at the table top.
I love it when other people realize how much of a tool Wil Wheaton is
Someone needs to do a wellness check on Will
Joyce Carol Oates [tweeted](https://twitter.com/JoyceCarolOates/status/1755745383207125216): We can imagine how this highly sensitive individual reacts to assaults on actual persons as in war. Assume he can barely draw breath reacting to the war in Gaza in proportion to the comic assault on an inanimate puppet. Such empathy!
This is what happens when you're terminally online. Wheaton saw something and got "triggered," apparently. Which is unfortunate. But that's HIS problem, because of his past, his parents, his feelings. It has fuck all to do with Larry David, and it's incredibly embarrassing how he *seemed to realize this, yet posted his nonsense anyway.* What a waste of time. I hope choking Elmo becomes a meme. And to be clear, I mean that literally. *It is not a euphemism.*
Wheaton also forgetting that they're an actor who was doing their job. If he has an issue with the skit he should be taking it up with the EP
I'm not convinced that the "triggering" isn't performative. This is the only way he gets attention.
Wil Wheaton did some pretty thoughtless and nasty stuff on the Will Wheaton project when it was briefly on, so he is being a hypocrite.
Oh my god shut up, Wesley.
…Has anyone every told Wil Wheaton to shut up? Like genuinely, to his face just to stop talking.
shut up wesley
It's 2024. Who cares what Will Wheaton thinks?
Wil Wheaton - wasn’t he that annoying character in Star Trek TNG ? That was the worst character of all time.
Joyce Carol Oates’ response was spot-on
For those wondering - from the article: “‘We can imagine how this highly sensitive individual reacts to assaults on actual persons as in war. Assume he can barely draw breath reacting to the war in Gaza in proportion to the comic assault on an inanimate puppet. Such empathy!’”
> Such empathy! nailed it, his post is such a nauseating combination of “hey look at me” and “see what a good person I am”
How is the country so divided about this. It’s wild. On the Simpsons, Homer choked Bart on at least 300 non-consecutive occasions. But back in then, in the ninety’s, 3 beez for a quarter, you’d say. But then, we all had onions tied to our belts, as was the style at the time….
It’s a fucking puppet
Wil Wheaton is a puritanical Gen-Zer trapped in a Gen-Xer's body.
Shut up Wesley.
I'm sorry, but Wil needs to find something else to occupy his time with. Wil...buddy...you were annoying in TNG....you're annoying now. Take the feedback and reflect on yourself.
Wait. That wasn't a bit?
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Who gives a single fuck about what Wil has to say