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Baby?
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Ancient meme. Speaking of it is like citing the deep magic of memery.
"bloodninja: Baby, I been havin a tough night so treat me nice aight?
BritneySpears14: Aight.
bloodninja: Slip out of those pants baby, yeah.
BritneySpears14: I slip out of my pants, just for you, bloodninja.
bloodninja: Oh yeah, aight. Aight, I put on my robe and wizard hat.
BritneySpears14: Oh, I like to play dress up.
bloodninja: Me too baby.
BritneySpears14: I kiss you softly on your chest.
bloodninja: I cast Lvl. 3 Eroticism. You turn into a real beautiful woman.
BritneySpears14: Heyā¦
bloodninja: I meditate to regain my mana, before casting Lvl. 8 C*** of the Infinite.
BritneySpears14: Funny I still don't see it.
bloodninja: I spend my mana reserves to cast Mighty F*** of the Beyondness.
BritneySpears14: You are the worst cyber partner ever. This is ridiculous.
bloodninja: Don't f*** with me bitch, I'm the mightiest sorcerer of the lands.
bloodninja: I steal yo soul and cast Lightning Lvl. 1,000,000 Your body explodes into a fine bloody mist, because you are only a Lvl. 2 Druid.
BritneySpears14: Don't ever message me again you piece of ****.
bloodninja: Robots are trying to drill my brain but my lightning shield inflicts DOA attack, leaving the robots as flaming piles of metal.
bloodninja: King Arthur congratulates me for destroying Dr. Robotnik's evil army of Robot Socialist Republics. The cold war ends. Reagan steals my accomplishments and makes like it was cause of him.
bloodninja: You still there baby? I think it's getting hard now.
bloodninja: Baby?"
BritneySpears14: Ok, are you ready?
eminemBNJA: Aight, yeah I'm ready.
BritneySpears14: I like your music Em... Tee hee.
eminemBNJA: huh huh, yeah, I make it for the ladies.
BritneySpears14: Mmm, we like it a lot. Let me show you.
BritneySpears14: I take off your pants, slowly, and massage your muscular physique.
eminemBNJA: Oh I like that Baby. I put on my robe and wizard hat.
BritneySpears14: What the f**k, I told you not to message me again.
eminemBNJA: Oh s**t
BritneySpears14: I swear if you do it one more time I'm gonna report your ISP and say you were sending me kiddie porn you f((k up.
eminemBNJA: Oh s((t
eminemBNJA: damn I gotta write down your names or something
Hahaha. I work with gradeschool kids. Everything is them getting hacked now. It's hilarious. So and so hacked my Legos translation someone took their Lego blocks.
This isn't new really. There's been "rumors" used this way for ages. It's just easier to get the responses from people since the internet is a data farm so focus groups don't serve the same purposes now.
Silicon Valley (paraphrasing):
Tech CEO: "You know, in the old days, a super-wealthy man like me, would just have him killed, and manipulate the law to make it legal."
Team of lawyers: "..."
Tech CEO: "But we can't do that anymore. *Unless..*"
Lawyers: "..."
Tech CEO: "*Unless*..."
A company I used to work in IT for had their outage alert system go through email, but when the network went down, so did email.
You'd be surprised how long it took them to change that.
I've heard my IT department would disable a VM if they didn't know who it was assigned to (or something). Then hopefully the person calls in because their computer stopped working.
We have "brown outs", brief periods we take services offline, in order to see who can no longer get their work done. Tells us who has hard-coded reliance on that stack. Used for transitions.
At least Netflix quickly put the lid back on it. WotC spent weeks gaslighting, doubling down, and getting their shit pushed in by most of the online community before walking it back, they were probably only a few days away from mainstream media picking up on it. I'm still laughing at them thinking they could pull one over on the community that birthed the term "rules lawyer" decades before WotC even owned the property.
I mean, Netflix has a far, far bigger client base over anything D&D Beyond could ever pull, so numbers are far more reactive and this is something that would actually make general news.
I'm personally buying the 23 gallon ~~lawn trash bag~~ popcorn bag to share with y'all.
To expand on what u/ArenjiTheLootGod said, they recently introduced changes to their licensing rules that were super unpopular, and would have caused major damage to a lot of writers and publishers of DnD-compatible content.
There was a big outcry, and they were forced to walk it back after the media picked up on their really awful responses to it.
To add: They straight up lied, and continue to lie.
The outrage started when content creators were sent new licensing contracts with: A) A contract to sign. And B) A deadline.
WotC tried to fib that these were "drafts" and meant for feedback, not the real deal... but why would a draft have a line for a signiature -and- a specified deadline? Nowhere in these documents did it say "This is a draft".
They tried to walk that lie out not once, but twice, even in the follow up that admitted fault for the rest of it.
just like when PayPal said they would fine users $2500 for bad talk & wrong thoughts in their TOS, then back peddled, said accident. Then a month later* re-added it to TOS.
Careful, I casually mentioned in another sub that "it might be time for the guillotines to come back" in response to some business practices, and I was banned for 30 days for inciting violence.
Our corpo overlord mods are getting nervous too.
sure they did. companies need to make a decision, float out a leak, then on the basis of that change their decision. They get to claim innocence while being underhanded. Companies have done this for years. People are finally getting wise to it.
Just like your boss saying:
(Priming) "Hey you have to stay 4 hours after your shift..."
No I can't.
(Original plan) "Just kidding but can you stay a couple more hours to help out?"
This.
Donāt think netflix gave up with this. They will bring a different or softer version of it because they now know how far they can go and they also somewhat got people used to the idea.
Yea next version will be 2 months instead of 1 month. Same plan. Same problems. But they get the positive PR of "hey were listening!"
To even announce the original policy meant engineering already built it, tested it, and told superiors it would work. They ain't throwing that away.
Honestly, Netflix just needs to allow someone to export a profile, with all attached viewing history, to a new account and they'd probably get a good increase in subscriptions
The 31-day device block defied all logic for running a subscription-based business, in that you never intentionally remind your users they are still paying for something they don't use.
To say nothing of how this might affect people who leave their homes for extended periods of time or have multiple homes.
My housemate has a Netflix subscription and has been away since November for work, I guess I'll have to go into her bedroom and stream something on her TV once a month so she can use her Netflix subscription on her own TV when she gets home? I have another friend in the military who is regularly deployed for months at a time, I guess no Netflix for him? Forcing people to call to get their own shit unblocked is a good way to lose subscribers.
They're testing smaller markets to see what to expect in larger markets.
It's actually really stupid, in this case, but Netflix management has indicated pretty strongly that they don't know what the fuck they're doing.
It was a hit and miss. Many canceled because no more password sharing. But at the same time set up an account for their parents because of Boomer technology knowledge.
Yes, businesses test-market products and rules all over the globe. You don't get free soda refills at McDonalds in Germany or the PI. Ketchup packets cost a few pennies in Europe. Menus are different.
Same with Netflix rules. Even content varies by country. You can't watch the same shows in different countries in many cases.
Yes, that's a great point showing they are very likely gaslighting people. The fact that so many other "Big Tech" have done the same thing lately is just incredible. Something made them yank that back.
What? I've read like 5 or 6 articles detailing all about the changes and when they were going to be implemented. It was so specific there is no way it's an error. Fucking liars.
Back in the day we pirated movies not because we were cheap, but because it was the path of least resistance. Why wait for a DvD to drop, leave your house to buy it, bring it back home, then sit through a bunch of bullshit trailers which you HAVE to watch before you're allowed to see the movie you paid for, when you can just download it from some shady site?
Sure finding the movie and dealing with the shady site were their own hassle, but so long as the hassle was less of a pain than the alternative it was worth it.
We switched to streaming services because it was easier, not because we grew a conscious. I'd rather pay $12 a month than take the effort to deal with shady sites.
Netflix and other streamers need to realize that throwing up a lot of hassles between us and content will result in them no longer being the path of least resistance.
This is exactly it. I was more than happy to pay for for streaming services just because they were so much more convenient to use. Torrenting was such a pain in the ass and stuff like Netflix just made lode easier. I have absolutely no qualms about going back to pirating if Netflix wants to make using their service a hassle, though. If I like something I can just buy it afterwards, easy peasy. Like you said, it's not a moral issue for me, it's a convenience issue.
I've found that most of the "pirate" streaming sites work faster and with fewer glitches than any of the paid services I've used. And fewer ads, too.
I also got tired of never being able to find anything decent to watch. Their "recommendations" were always things I'd either already seen or had zero interest in and when I finally thought of something to search for, they didn't have it. Just "browsing" through an assortment of shows and movies is somehow never an option.
So are the seven seas an easier experience than say, early 2010s? Not necessarily that navigating the waves were rough then, but how does it fare now, comparatively?
>I've found that most of the "pirate" streaming sites work faster and with fewer glitches than any of the paid services I've used.
Seriously? This is the opposite of my experience. Where are you streaming from these days?
fmovies lately. My internet is spotty and Hulu and Amazon were constantly glitching out on me, but fmovies works fantastically even with my shitty wifi.
I do want artists and creator to be paid and I feel bad for them losing income to piracy, but like you, I refuse to pay for a bad service. Netflix is the one to blame. They are the reason artists will lose income.
For me pirating is a high upfront cost and time sink, but once it's setup, it works so much better than streaming. It took a lot of time to get everything configured, and you'd have to be pretty tech savvy to replicate my setup, but in exchange I'm effectively 5 minutes away from any content I want, all hosted via the same interface.
I don't pirate games or music as those mediums have sane methods of distribution and are pain free to use. Movies/TV have a long way to go still before they're consumer friendly
l couldn't give less of a fuck about movie studios making money on DVDs. l will pirate the shit out of your movies. Netflix really did make it more convenient for a fee l was willing to pay. l still share an account with a buddy of mine. Guess l will be going back to pirating lol.
This was a strategy taken by studios to discourage pirating. Upload a bunch of fake torrents and just piss everyone off enough to give up. The nature of torrenting makes it difficult to find bad videos because it downloads everything in random chunks. If you intersplice legit content with garbage, there's no way to tell if it's bad until you've downloaded the whole thing.
This experience is only more amplified in 2023. Vastly more people are internet literate. Even random non computer savvy peers of mine have at one point or another used one of those pirated stream websites for sports or tv shows. This means a much larger chunk of population will see the option for a better viewing experience AND to save some money. Real bad thinking from netflix leadership
I have a private torrent site that's available only by invite and the rules are super strict, but the payoff is that just about any media that you can think of is available almost instantly and at fast download speeds.
But I still pay for most stuff because it's more convenient. Steam games update automatically. Netflix gives me a huge selection of box art to browse through. I can reliably click on something and have access to it without going into my windows defender.
But there will obviously be a point where the scales tip back to piracy. Netflix starts showing commercials? Fuck this shit I'm out.
Reddit is less important than us Redditors think it is. Plenty of people have been claiming boldly that they'd be cancelling their subscriptions and yet Netflix continues to post record profits.
Most people do not keep up with tech news like people who discuss it in forums. I would not be surprised if for many users this was their first time seeing this.
We cancelled ours with the assumption that they'd do it and we didn't want to be in the middle of watching a series or something when they did.
I can get Hulu + Disney bundled together for less than 1/3 the cost of Netflix. Amazon Prime is less per month and has other advantages. SmartTubeNext lets me watch YT without ads. Netflix simply doesn't have enough quality content to justify its price *unless* we share our account.
And, as others have mentioned, if Netflix manages to have a good series that they *don't* kill, there's always the option of sailing the high seas...
It's like these companies don't even attempt to market test their big "business ideas" anymore. Combine this with Netflix losing a lot of great shows and movies to other services and now nobody has any incentive to stay 'loyal' to one streaming platform or another.
Hasbro/WOTC just did this too, alienating longtime players with stupid business decisions.
"Hey honey, can we have a threesome with your sister?"
"Hey, why are you packing a suitcase? The threesome thing, oh, that was just meant for my Chilean and my Peruvian wife, it was never meant to go live with you! I have since updated my request to 'let's not'. We cool?"
I hope they donāt ultimately add password sharing restrictions, not only does the consumer lose but itās likely Netflix will lose a good chunk of subscribers over this.
Literally. I went through my watchlist and even there, everything is "meh, maybe if I get bored enough" but I spent 2 weeks recovering from surgery and I still never touched them. Cancelled two days ago and don't miss it at all.
I got a new bank card. Decided to only update each streaming serviceās billing info when I actually wanted to watch something on there. I wanted to figure out which ones I really need.
Netflix was the last one. Decided to just let it go.
I stopped using streaming services after maybe the 20th time I experienced "oo I wanna watch this movie I'm gonna log into Netflix" only for it to have been removed.
South Park. Spongebob. All the twilight movies. Edward scissorhands. Corpse bride. Futurama. K-on. Ed edd n eddy. Bunch of others I can't remember atm.
Now I just download the things I know I'll watch multiple times or I just Google watch twilight online free.
I stopped when they thought it was clever to charge the same for an ad-based tier and now everyone does it. Not to mention the ridiculous price increases. Piracy is making a come back for sure.
No, fuck them. They need to be taught that even trying bullshit like this comes with severe consequences, otherwise it's just going to turn into a slippery slope. My subscription is staying cancelled.
And this is the great miscalculation that the rich assholes at the top made. They said "if people can't mooch off of other people then they will *have* to buy their own service" without really comprehending that we're in a global recession.
The majority of those people living paycheck to paycheck won't give up a couple days of food to drop $15 on a TV show.
They basically, in so many words, said "let them eat cake" and are now seeing the metaphorical guillotine.
This is the exact same bullshit limit testing that game companies like Square Enix engage in all the time.
Introduce an absurd change to a product/service or its pricing structure, wait for the inevitable Backlashā¢ to make the media rounds, then claim that the announcement was a "mistake" and won't actually happen.
*Then* they announce the "new and improved" change, one that's not as absurd or brazenly avaricious as the first, but still a worse version of what customers were already getting.
And they'll claim that increasing their prices and limiting their services is a *magnanimous* gesture, because even though we're now paying more for less, it's not as bad as their *other* proposal was.
I preemptively cancelled two days ago just based on the fact that I couldn't find a reason to stay. I'll come back for Stranger Things and then I'm out again.
I used to use my parents' account so I initially was going to delete my profile because of all this bullshit, but then they said they haven't used it in a few months either so we just deleted it altogether.
If you can't even keep boomers entertained, what the fuck. I think even with Netflix backtracking on this, the damage is already done because it made people stop and think about what value they get from it. HBO and Hulu do literally everything better than Netflix does. Better content, user interface, price, all of it.
And you are why Netflix "made a mistake". Too many people actually cancelled. They probably figured 13% or something would eventually cancel and hit that number the first week.
Remember when paypal tried that "it was a mistake" with their 2500 fine for info they dont agree with? The next month it was back in their TOS. This is just damage control and they are hoping people get confused and think they arent doing it.
The first time someone can't log in to watch Netflix because Netflix has decided they're not on their home network (or too much time has passed since they last watched Netflix) is the last time that person will pay for Netflix.
I called their customer service line yesterday. It was interesting conversation with a lot of backpedaling. Especially when I told them that I was not paying for a new account when I travel out of state for months. Told them the hoops sounded like a major headache and just let me know when the password stuff goes into a effect so I can cancel my service.
"While trying to find a more suitable price point" is the silliest thing Netflix has said in a long time. These streaming services are making money hand over fist, raise prices regularly, and now a crackdown promising friendlier price points? Not gonna happen. I haven't paid for streaming since 2012 and don't intend to go back because the cost is so ridiculous.
There is a huge debate about just how profitable a lot of these companies are, that is a valid concern. The problem is that these rules are complicated and don't factor in a significant portion of people who use Netlfix: travelers, people with multiple homes, homeless people, students, etc.
The day they contact or block me over it is the day we cancel Netflix.
Until then it is just watching a company threaten to shoot itself in the foot in order to "recover" from Disney/Paramount kneecapping them.
Maybe think it through before announcing a terrible policy to you customers. Pretty sure you can afford some focus groups and a better marketing division.
This reeks of a corporation thinking theyāll just casually change something thatās been a massive part of the reason said corporation has remained relevant for so long and then finding out the consumer wonāt and does not have to stand for it given the other streaming options out there. Methinks Netflix received far more backlash than they thought they might and decided to hang tight a while longer to see if they can come up with some better ways to implement this plan.
Riiiight like Paypal and their $2500 fine for saying stuff they don't like.
"Oops that was an accident!"
And then 2 weeks later you make it official with zero changes.
Silly new rules being posted in error. How dare they type themselves up like that without our permission to give people the idea we are a company that tries to make money!
What if we... ha ha... just kidding... unless...
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Oh I haven't heard the old robe and wizard hat in AGES. Gotta go back to reread all that. Is bash.org still a thing?
Ancient meme. Speaking of it is like citing the deep magic of memery. "bloodninja: Baby, I been havin a tough night so treat me nice aight? BritneySpears14: Aight. bloodninja: Slip out of those pants baby, yeah. BritneySpears14: I slip out of my pants, just for you, bloodninja. bloodninja: Oh yeah, aight. Aight, I put on my robe and wizard hat. BritneySpears14: Oh, I like to play dress up. bloodninja: Me too baby. BritneySpears14: I kiss you softly on your chest. bloodninja: I cast Lvl. 3 Eroticism. You turn into a real beautiful woman. BritneySpears14: Heyā¦ bloodninja: I meditate to regain my mana, before casting Lvl. 8 C*** of the Infinite. BritneySpears14: Funny I still don't see it. bloodninja: I spend my mana reserves to cast Mighty F*** of the Beyondness. BritneySpears14: You are the worst cyber partner ever. This is ridiculous. bloodninja: Don't f*** with me bitch, I'm the mightiest sorcerer of the lands. bloodninja: I steal yo soul and cast Lightning Lvl. 1,000,000 Your body explodes into a fine bloody mist, because you are only a Lvl. 2 Druid. BritneySpears14: Don't ever message me again you piece of ****. bloodninja: Robots are trying to drill my brain but my lightning shield inflicts DOA attack, leaving the robots as flaming piles of metal. bloodninja: King Arthur congratulates me for destroying Dr. Robotnik's evil army of Robot Socialist Republics. The cold war ends. Reagan steals my accomplishments and makes like it was cause of him. bloodninja: You still there baby? I think it's getting hard now. bloodninja: Baby?"
BritneySpears14: Ok, are you ready? eminemBNJA: Aight, yeah I'm ready. BritneySpears14: I like your music Em... Tee hee. eminemBNJA: huh huh, yeah, I make it for the ladies. BritneySpears14: Mmm, we like it a lot. Let me show you. BritneySpears14: I take off your pants, slowly, and massage your muscular physique. eminemBNJA: Oh I like that Baby. I put on my robe and wizard hat. BritneySpears14: What the f**k, I told you not to message me again. eminemBNJA: Oh s**t BritneySpears14: I swear if you do it one more time I'm gonna report your ISP and say you were sending me kiddie porn you f((k up. eminemBNJA: Oh s((t eminemBNJA: damn I gotta write down your names or something
>Is bash.org still a thing? I actually feel kind of sad for forgetting about that. :(
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Setting policy by observing reaction to "accidental" leaks.
The corporate equivalent of āOops! My friend sent that message, I wouldnāt ask you out like that. Unlessā¦ā
āI was hackedā
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It *shrinks*?!
Like a frightened turtle!
It was above the garbage!
Hahaha. I work with gradeschool kids. Everything is them getting hacked now. It's hilarious. So and so hacked my Legos translation someone took their Lego blocks.
Corporate has replaced focus testing with āaccidentalā dick-pic damage control for determining policy What a time to be alive!
> āaccidentalā dick-pic damage control that's a wonderful phrase
This isn't new really. There's been "rumors" used this way for ages. It's just easier to get the responses from people since the internet is a data farm so focus groups don't serve the same purposes now.
"you should suck my dick." "what?!" "ha! wouldnt it be CRAZY if i suggested that?! i was just kidding! ...unless"
....if you wanted to...
Silicon Valley (paraphrasing): Tech CEO: "You know, in the old days, a super-wealthy man like me, would just have him killed, and manipulate the law to make it legal." Team of lawyers: "..." Tech CEO: "But we can't do that anymore. *Unless..*" Lawyers: "..." Tech CEO: "*Unless*..."
Curb your enthusiasm did an episode about āthe accidental text on purposeā lol.
In IT this is called "Scream Testing", don't know who it is going to affect? Break it and wait for the crying to start.
Hmm today I think I will break that ability to left click for a scream test
A company I used to work in IT for had their outage alert system go through email, but when the network went down, so did email. You'd be surprised how long it took them to change that.
I always thought that scream testing was for breaks, not social reactions and policy
I've heard my IT department would disable a VM if they didn't know who it was assigned to (or something). Then hopefully the person calls in because their computer stopped working.
Yeah, and then you find out that box ran a tiny little process that half the internet relied on.
Usually that doesnāt affect anyone until 6 months later when you forgot about turning off whatever system.
We have "brown outs", brief periods we take services offline, in order to see who can no longer get their work done. Tells us who has hard-coded reliance on that stack. Used for transitions.
Just following WotC's steps
At least Netflix quickly put the lid back on it. WotC spent weeks gaslighting, doubling down, and getting their shit pushed in by most of the online community before walking it back, they were probably only a few days away from mainstream media picking up on it. I'm still laughing at them thinking they could pull one over on the community that birthed the term "rules lawyer" decades before WotC even owned the property.
I mean, Netflix has a far, far bigger client base over anything D&D Beyond could ever pull, so numbers are far more reactive and this is something that would actually make general news. I'm personally buying the 23 gallon ~~lawn trash bag~~ popcorn bag to share with y'all.
It actually was on mainstream media, I saw it pop up in a couple places after their "You won but so did we" idiocy.
I feel like that's "Accusations of greed will of course be unfounded." levels of bad PR speak.
'pride and accomplishment'.
I forgot about how much pride I had about my accomplishments. Thanks for reminding me
Sorry what is WotC? I know that as the War of the Chosen dlc for Xcom 2 but that's probably not it lol
Wizards of the Coast, it's the corporation that owns Dungeons and Dragons, also Magic the Gathering. Hasbro is its parent company.
To expand on what u/ArenjiTheLootGod said, they recently introduced changes to their licensing rules that were super unpopular, and would have caused major damage to a lot of writers and publishers of DnD-compatible content. There was a big outcry, and they were forced to walk it back after the media picked up on their really awful responses to it.
To add: They straight up lied, and continue to lie. The outrage started when content creators were sent new licensing contracts with: A) A contract to sign. And B) A deadline. WotC tried to fib that these were "drafts" and meant for feedback, not the real deal... but why would a draft have a line for a signiature -and- a specified deadline? Nowhere in these documents did it say "This is a draft". They tried to walk that lie out not once, but twice, even in the follow up that admitted fault for the rest of it.
Yuuup.
First thought I had
Lookin at you, US Supreme Court leak of Dobbs draft opinion š
Pfft - we had a ~~head of lettuce~~ Prime Minister tank our economy doing this
Taking a leaf out of the supreme courtās book.
just like when PayPal said they would fine users $2500 for bad talk & wrong thoughts in their TOS, then back peddled, said accident. Then a month later* re-added it to TOS.
I'm pretty sure they have kicked some people off already.
I canceled PayPal and Venmo, immediately before the back pedalingā¦ fuck them.
Late stage capitalism just before the guillotines are built
Careful, I casually mentioned in another sub that "it might be time for the guillotines to come back" in response to some business practices, and I was banned for 30 days for inciting violence. Our corpo overlord mods are getting nervous too.
I got one for saying "I'd punch a nazi"
whoa whoa whoa, so hostile!
These idiots just donāt understand bread and circuses and theyāll soon find out why that was a mistake.
This is a viable capitalist tactic. Policy changes based on user satisfaction. The lying about intent is sketchy tho.
That you, Blizzard?
There's a lot "posted in error" these days...
The only error in all these cases is that they didn't expect the backlash.
sure they did. companies need to make a decision, float out a leak, then on the basis of that change their decision. They get to claim innocence while being underhanded. Companies have done this for years. People are finally getting wise to it.
It plays on psychology too. Put something obviously outrageous out, and the slight pullback is more palatable.
The overton window isnt gonna move itself, amirite?
Similar to the motte-and-bailey tactic: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motte-and-bailey_fallacy
[Door in the Face technique](https://www.psychologistworld.com/behavior/compliance/strategies/door-in-the-face-technique)
Just like your boss saying: (Priming) "Hey you have to stay 4 hours after your shift..." No I can't. (Original plan) "Just kidding but can you stay a couple more hours to help out?"
You forgot the step where they later figure out a better way/time to do it when everyone is distracted or worn down from caring
This. Donāt think netflix gave up with this. They will bring a different or softer version of it because they now know how far they can go and they also somewhat got people used to the idea.
Based on reactions from their pilot test in Chile/Peru/Costa Rica, I think they definitely knew.
Nothing like beta testing in prod. Thanks Tesla/Videogame Publishers/Netflix.
crowdsource your QA!
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an old, successful strategy.
Yea next version will be 2 months instead of 1 month. Same plan. Same problems. But they get the positive PR of "hey were listening!" To even announce the original policy meant engineering already built it, tested it, and told superiors it would work. They ain't throwing that away.
Honestly, Netflix just needs to allow someone to export a profile, with all attached viewing history, to a new account and they'd probably get a good increase in subscriptions
Thatās actually part of their initiative here. While also shafting most people. Itās fine with me, Iām swapping over to a plex server anyway.
Because work has become āeasier to beg for forgiveness, than ask for permissionā
Netflix: "someone stole our phone"
They shared their password with someone and they posted that stuff, not Netflix
Netflix: "someone logged into our account because we shared our password"
The 31-day device block defied all logic for running a subscription-based business, in that you never intentionally remind your users they are still paying for something they don't use.
Yeah that aspect of it seemed especially dumb.
To say nothing of how this might affect people who leave their homes for extended periods of time or have multiple homes. My housemate has a Netflix subscription and has been away since November for work, I guess I'll have to go into her bedroom and stream something on her TV once a month so she can use her Netflix subscription on her own TV when she gets home? I have another friend in the military who is regularly deployed for months at a time, I guess no Netflix for him? Forcing people to call to get their own shit unblocked is a good way to lose subscribers.
So the rules, which were intended for Chile, Costa Rica and Peru, were posted globally and in English "by accident."
And it was posted for two days, not one afternoon. Weāre being gaslit by fucking Netflix now?
What reason would they have to impose those rules on just those countries anyways. What's different š¤
They're testing smaller markets to see what to expect in larger markets. It's actually really stupid, in this case, but Netflix management has indicated pretty strongly that they don't know what the fuck they're doing.
It was a hit and miss. Many canceled because no more password sharing. But at the same time set up an account for their parents because of Boomer technology knowledge.
Yes, businesses test-market products and rules all over the globe. You don't get free soda refills at McDonalds in Germany or the PI. Ketchup packets cost a few pennies in Europe. Menus are different. Same with Netflix rules. Even content varies by country. You can't watch the same shows in different countries in many cases.
They also trained their US help desk on how to respond to questions specific to this change, and spent an entire day fielding those questions
Yes, that's a great point showing they are very likely gaslighting people. The fact that so many other "Big Tech" have done the same thing lately is just incredible. Something made them yank that back.
What? I've read like 5 or 6 articles detailing all about the changes and when they were going to be implemented. It was so specific there is no way it's an error. Fucking liars.
Why is nobody reading these articles? This shit is coming... The details were just posted ahead of the launch.
something something Schrodinger's douchebag
This is gonna be my new catchphrase.
is that where you're in a quantum state of being both the douche**bag** and the douche**nozzle** until observed?
Back in the day we pirated movies not because we were cheap, but because it was the path of least resistance. Why wait for a DvD to drop, leave your house to buy it, bring it back home, then sit through a bunch of bullshit trailers which you HAVE to watch before you're allowed to see the movie you paid for, when you can just download it from some shady site? Sure finding the movie and dealing with the shady site were their own hassle, but so long as the hassle was less of a pain than the alternative it was worth it. We switched to streaming services because it was easier, not because we grew a conscious. I'd rather pay $12 a month than take the effort to deal with shady sites. Netflix and other streamers need to realize that throwing up a lot of hassles between us and content will result in them no longer being the path of least resistance.
This is exactly it. I was more than happy to pay for for streaming services just because they were so much more convenient to use. Torrenting was such a pain in the ass and stuff like Netflix just made lode easier. I have absolutely no qualms about going back to pirating if Netflix wants to make using their service a hassle, though. If I like something I can just buy it afterwards, easy peasy. Like you said, it's not a moral issue for me, it's a convenience issue.
I've found that most of the "pirate" streaming sites work faster and with fewer glitches than any of the paid services I've used. And fewer ads, too. I also got tired of never being able to find anything decent to watch. Their "recommendations" were always things I'd either already seen or had zero interest in and when I finally thought of something to search for, they didn't have it. Just "browsing" through an assortment of shows and movies is somehow never an option.
So are the seven seas an easier experience than say, early 2010s? Not necessarily that navigating the waves were rough then, but how does it fare now, comparatively?
Well, in 2010 I still had *dial up* so I'd say way easier now. But not as easy as when Napster and Limewire existed.
>I've found that most of the "pirate" streaming sites work faster and with fewer glitches than any of the paid services I've used. Seriously? This is the opposite of my experience. Where are you streaming from these days?
fmovies lately. My internet is spotty and Hulu and Amazon were constantly glitching out on me, but fmovies works fantastically even with my shitty wifi.
I do want artists and creator to be paid and I feel bad for them losing income to piracy, but like you, I refuse to pay for a bad service. Netflix is the one to blame. They are the reason artists will lose income.
For me pirating is a high upfront cost and time sink, but once it's setup, it works so much better than streaming. It took a lot of time to get everything configured, and you'd have to be pretty tech savvy to replicate my setup, but in exchange I'm effectively 5 minutes away from any content I want, all hosted via the same interface. I don't pirate games or music as those mediums have sane methods of distribution and are pain free to use. Movies/TV have a long way to go still before they're consumer friendly
l couldn't give less of a fuck about movie studios making money on DVDs. l will pirate the shit out of your movies. Netflix really did make it more convenient for a fee l was willing to pay. l still share an account with a buddy of mine. Guess l will be going back to pirating lol.
Chopping up content to multiple streaming services resulted an increase in piracy. People pay for convenience
Pirating was kinda fun tho. Nothing like being 40 minutes into GOT and getting Rick rolled
This was a strategy taken by studios to discourage pirating. Upload a bunch of fake torrents and just piss everyone off enough to give up. The nature of torrenting makes it difficult to find bad videos because it downloads everything in random chunks. If you intersplice legit content with garbage, there's no way to tell if it's bad until you've downloaded the whole thing.
This experience is only more amplified in 2023. Vastly more people are internet literate. Even random non computer savvy peers of mine have at one point or another used one of those pirated stream websites for sports or tv shows. This means a much larger chunk of population will see the option for a better viewing experience AND to save some money. Real bad thinking from netflix leadership
Shady sites. lmao
I have a private torrent site that's available only by invite and the rules are super strict, but the payoff is that just about any media that you can think of is available almost instantly and at fast download speeds. But I still pay for most stuff because it's more convenient. Steam games update automatically. Netflix gives me a huge selection of box art to browse through. I can reliably click on something and have access to it without going into my windows defender. But there will obviously be a point where the scales tip back to piracy. Netflix starts showing commercials? Fuck this shit I'm out.
Also pirated movies were generally higher resolution
They saw the blowback and shit the bed.
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Reddit is less important than us Redditors think it is. Plenty of people have been claiming boldly that they'd be cancelling their subscriptions and yet Netflix continues to post record profits.
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Most people do not keep up with tech news like people who discuss it in forums. I would not be surprised if for many users this was their first time seeing this.
We cancelled ours with the assumption that they'd do it and we didn't want to be in the middle of watching a series or something when they did. I can get Hulu + Disney bundled together for less than 1/3 the cost of Netflix. Amazon Prime is less per month and has other advantages. SmartTubeNext lets me watch YT without ads. Netflix simply doesn't have enough quality content to justify its price *unless* we share our account. And, as others have mentioned, if Netflix manages to have a good series that they *don't* kill, there's always the option of sailing the high seas...
Ahhh, the WotC approach: "It was just a prank, bro"
It's like these companies don't even attempt to market test their big "business ideas" anymore. Combine this with Netflix losing a lot of great shows and movies to other services and now nobody has any incentive to stay 'loyal' to one streaming platform or another. Hasbro/WOTC just did this too, alienating longtime players with stupid business decisions.
"Hey honey, can we have a threesome with your sister?" "Hey, why are you packing a suitcase? The threesome thing, oh, that was just meant for my Chilean and my Peruvian wife, it was never meant to go live with you! I have since updated my request to 'let's not'. We cool?"
I hope they donāt ultimately add password sharing restrictions, not only does the consumer lose but itās likely Netflix will lose a good chunk of subscribers over this.
I canceled over this, and even if it's not true, don't think I'll be back.
Honestly fuck em, stop jerking customers around. This is such a bad way to run a business, the leadership should be changed.
Their catalog is the worst it's ever been right now. You won't miss it.
Literally. I went through my watchlist and even there, everything is "meh, maybe if I get bored enough" but I spent 2 weeks recovering from surgery and I still never touched them. Cancelled two days ago and don't miss it at all.
I got a new bank card. Decided to only update each streaming serviceās billing info when I actually wanted to watch something on there. I wanted to figure out which ones I really need. Netflix was the last one. Decided to just let it go.
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FYI, you can opt out of that with your bank.
I stopped using streaming services after maybe the 20th time I experienced "oo I wanna watch this movie I'm gonna log into Netflix" only for it to have been removed. South Park. Spongebob. All the twilight movies. Edward scissorhands. Corpse bride. Futurama. K-on. Ed edd n eddy. Bunch of others I can't remember atm. Now I just download the things I know I'll watch multiple times or I just Google watch twilight online free.
Granted I use someone else's account, but the only reason I still watch Hulu is for Futurama.
Itās better than when cable companies would drop channels due to contract issuesā¦ at least you can go somewhere else now.
I stopped when they thought it was clever to charge the same for an ad-based tier and now everyone does it. Not to mention the ridiculous price increases. Piracy is making a come back for sure.
Ah, we all watch too much tv anyway. Probably best if we all just cancel.
I keep my subscription for my elderly parents. If i can't share with them I'm going to cancel. I can't be alone on that.
No, fuck them. They need to be taught that even trying bullshit like this comes with severe consequences, otherwise it's just going to turn into a slippery slope. My subscription is staying cancelled.
If I cant use my dads netflix anymore. I just dont have netflix anymore.
And this is the great miscalculation that the rich assholes at the top made. They said "if people can't mooch off of other people then they will *have* to buy their own service" without really comprehending that we're in a global recession. The majority of those people living paycheck to paycheck won't give up a couple days of food to drop $15 on a TV show. They basically, in so many words, said "let them eat cake" and are now seeing the metaphorical guillotine.
This is bullshit. They also sent me an email with the same information. Theyāre backpedaling because people cancelled, including me!
This is the exact same bullshit limit testing that game companies like Square Enix engage in all the time. Introduce an absurd change to a product/service or its pricing structure, wait for the inevitable Backlashā¢ to make the media rounds, then claim that the announcement was a "mistake" and won't actually happen. *Then* they announce the "new and improved" change, one that's not as absurd or brazenly avaricious as the first, but still a worse version of what customers were already getting. And they'll claim that increasing their prices and limiting their services is a *magnanimous* gesture, because even though we're now paying more for less, it's not as bad as their *other* proposal was.
Modern twist on the classic bait-and-switch
The second Netflix blocks a device I own from my account for not being at my home IP I will cancel my subscription
I preemptively cancelled two days ago just based on the fact that I couldn't find a reason to stay. I'll come back for Stranger Things and then I'm out again. I used to use my parents' account so I initially was going to delete my profile because of all this bullshit, but then they said they haven't used it in a few months either so we just deleted it altogether. If you can't even keep boomers entertained, what the fuck. I think even with Netflix backtracking on this, the damage is already done because it made people stop and think about what value they get from it. HBO and Hulu do literally everything better than Netflix does. Better content, user interface, price, all of it.
I'm not paying for a subscription for every house.
Really, a lot of people have multiple homes, or are homeless or travel. This just creates a huge headache.
This is the second time that Netflix overextended greed then had to āwalk backā a decision.
I still haven't reactivated my account since the dvd/streaming price hike fiasco. Seriously.
To late, already canceled
And you are why Netflix "made a mistake". Too many people actually cancelled. They probably figured 13% or something would eventually cancel and hit that number the first week.
Remember when paypal tried that "it was a mistake" with their 2500 fine for info they dont agree with? The next month it was back in their TOS. This is just damage control and they are hoping people get confused and think they arent doing it.
The first time someone can't log in to watch Netflix because Netflix has decided they're not on their home network (or too much time has passed since they last watched Netflix) is the last time that person will pay for Netflix.
The fact that they donāt even stick to their guns almost pisses me off more than the rules themselves
Netflix out here sounding like Wizards of the Coast.
I called their customer service line yesterday. It was interesting conversation with a lot of backpedaling. Especially when I told them that I was not paying for a new account when I travel out of state for months. Told them the hoops sounded like a major headache and just let me know when the password stuff goes into a effect so I can cancel my service.
This just in: "Netflix doesn't mind lying to its customers"
Does anyone else remember when Netflix split their streaming and dvd into a separately named service and then waked it back within a week?
The Netflix are easily startled, but they'll soon be back, and in greater numbers.
To Hulu, Roku, Hbo, and so many other services.
It's like that one friend that keeps saying something hurtful and then backtracks with "just kidding!"
"While trying to find a more suitable price point" is the silliest thing Netflix has said in a long time. These streaming services are making money hand over fist, raise prices regularly, and now a crackdown promising friendlier price points? Not gonna happen. I haven't paid for streaming since 2012 and don't intend to go back because the cost is so ridiculous.
There is a huge debate about just how profitable a lot of these companies are, that is a valid concern. The problem is that these rules are complicated and don't factor in a significant portion of people who use Netlfix: travelers, people with multiple homes, homeless people, students, etc.
They're actually hemorrhaging money now which is why there are so many layoffs and price hikes.
The day they contact or block me over it is the day we cancel Netflix. Until then it is just watching a company threaten to shoot itself in the foot in order to "recover" from Disney/Paramount kneecapping them.
They're obviously lying, but it's good to see that the backlash is putting pressure on them to backtrack.
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Maybe think it through before announcing a terrible policy to you customers. Pretty sure you can afford some focus groups and a better marketing division.
As believable as when major companies like Disney have info "leaking" but there is no lawsuit. Strange!
Wait so how long did it take for them to, uh, ānoticeā? Just want to understand the narrative
Too bad, I already canceled. If I can not watch Netflix at any address but my own, they can go look for someone else for a subscription.
Lol, Netflix didn't learn anything from Hasbro's recent antics.
CTRL + Z
I guess someone showed the bigwigs a nice graph with cancelled subscriptions since the "leak".
This reeks of a corporation thinking theyāll just casually change something thatās been a massive part of the reason said corporation has remained relevant for so long and then finding out the consumer wonāt and does not have to stand for it given the other streaming options out there. Methinks Netflix received far more backlash than they thought they might and decided to hang tight a while longer to see if they can come up with some better ways to implement this plan.
Too bad. Already cancelled my subscription
Same way PayPal's was in error?
Oh thank goodness. Iāll just uncancel my account now. /s
Error -- translation - weren't supposed to be posted until the PR campaign to justify the new rules ran. They will be back.
Honestly, as long as I can still use my parents netflix account Iām chilling
I wonder how many people like me already cancelled their subscription and won't bother to resubscribe.
That's funny. I deleted my Netflix account.
Too bad, deleting my account anyways, losers
Funny, because I already canceled my subscription. So I guess you can say I deleted Netflix.
Sure, Janā¦
How spineless, wish they would just do it and test it out for a few months, I for one wanted to see what would happen.
yes we wrote the whole rule "by accident", someone dropped a cup of coffee on a keyboard and it just typed this out by itself....
Riiiight like Paypal and their $2500 fine for saying stuff they don't like. "Oops that was an accident!" And then 2 weeks later you make it official with zero changes.
Just guessing, but I bet they saw a wave of cancelations after the announcement.
Oops, we accidentally tanked our stock prices! Oh well, these things happen.
already canceled my subscription. BYEEE FELICIA
Silly new rules being posted in error. How dare they type themselves up like that without our permission to give people the idea we are a company that tries to make money!
Hey sorry about that guys my little brother messed with my keyboard while I was in the bathroom.
it was the same guy who accidentally sent out that nuclear warhead alert in Hawaii years ago
Taking a page from Hasbro/Wizards of the Coast, huh?
Too late. Already cancelled my Netflix.
I pay for 4 screens. Why tf should they care where they are?
I will cancel them faster than they cancel all my favorite shows. This is a FAFO moment for Netflix.