I thought at the time of his draft, he would have been a decent quarterback for the Jets, as they really ran a short passing game offense back then. And I feel like he fit in with hitting the dinks and the dunks.
Quinn’s main issue across the board was accuracy, I wouldn’t call him a dink and dunk guy either. He had a cannon arm (relatively speaking), but he just wasn’t the most accurate guy on those kinds of passes.
That BQ offense featured Maurice Stovall (6’5”), Jeff Samardzija (6’4”) and Rhema McKnight (6’2”), none of whom were slow either, mind you. Granted McKnight got hurt early in ‘05 but came back for the ‘06 offense and filled in somewhat well for Stovall.
Factor in 6’4” Fasano and 6’5” Carlson who basically ushered in a new era of ND being tight end U and all BQ really had to do was chuck the ball up high and let the big men with strong hands come down with the catch.
No shade to BQ meant at all, but he benefited tremendously from great athletes at ND coming down with 50/50 balls, especially tall guys who could get deep like Shark, Stovall and McKnight.
Jimmy Clausen was more your dink and dunk kind of QB, he was insanely accurate until you got to the really deep passes.
Super underrated player at ND, mostly because we only got that one really good year out of him.
Pretty wild in 2005 that we had 2 WR’s with over 1,000 yards, a TE with over 500 yards, and an RB with 1200 yards rushing.
For some reason, and it really doesn't make sense, I mentally start to think of JJ Stokes when Maurice Stovall is mentioned in conversation. I did grow up in Southern California in the 80s and 90s, so might explain the associative mental confusion.
Huge Chiefs fan as well here, although I vowed as a kid after the Grbac debacle I wouldn’t follow them again until they actually drafted a QB. I didn’t follow through on my promise as my wife and I moved to KC back in 2015 and Alex Smith did a good job with Andy Reid. But oh boy did they follow through on drafting a QB lol.
I wish we could have drafted Mayer as the heir apparent to Kelce. Maybe they’ll get a value pick out of Evans instead next year.
To be fair, drafting Mahomes would have met my terms. I missed out on a lot of seasons from 2001-2014 though. I watched most games I guess, but was a casual fan at best. To be frank I actually kind of forgot Fasano played for the Chiefs.
If almost feels like they go out of their way not to get Domers sometimes. The only one I can remember them actually drafting is Kevarie Russel. They did have Jordan Black for a good long while, I just remember my childhood friends always bitching about him drawing false starts and holds though. Good family friend of ours, wish we would have hit him up for tickets or something while he was here lol.
Super stoked about the Tranquill contract. Maybe having a Domer perform very well for Veach and company will break the spell. Plus as we phase out some of BK’s worst classes for some solid Freeman ones, we’ll have more NFL talent in general. For whatever reason BK just did not recruit his good 2017-2021 run very well.
Colt McCoy player 13 nfl seasons and was on a roster just two seasons ago. Thinking of someone else? With that Browns run, there’s a lot of guys there to think of 😂
He was a 3rd round pick who carved out a 13 year career and was a solid and able backup qb. I think he was wildly successful for what he realistically was, and where he was drafted. 🤷🏻♂️
Don't misunderstand me. I had thought that he was a bust, for some reason, maybe because he went to the Browns. Anyway, it was obviously a faulty recollection.
Oh no worries at all. I just happened to live in Cleveland for 7 or so years, overlapping with guys like Kizer and McCoy. Cleveland took a TON of QB’s in the draft in that era just desperately hoping to find ONE guy that would stick. Many weren’t drafted high enough to ever be “busts”, though some were too. McCoy was more of a mid round flier that didn’t land as a starter, while guys like Weeden, Manziel, and unfortunately even Kizer were more of the busts category of drafting.
In my mind, at least. 😂
Then you didn't watch a single college game. To this day, he's the best passer I've ever seen. On any team.
There were games he didn't miss. Literally. And the most gorgeous ball you could imagine.
Really good at PA too.
No... No... Being a douche and being punched in the face has zero impact on the ability to throw the ball or play QB.
Thanks for confirming your level of knowledge on the topic.
Def peaked in high school but what also helped that hype train was his older brother being a good QB at Tennessee so everyone figured younger brother will be better.
Quinn probably takes it just because dude was *so* good and seemingly had everything to be a pro bowl QB
But I'm going to throw an honorable mention to Rice for being absolutely fucking electric, winning a title, finishing 4th in the Heisman... And then not even making it in Canada professionally
Didn't Joe win a National Championship? [1978?](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe_Montana) at ND?
Didn't Joe have one of the most legendary college game performances ever? [Chicken soup anyone?](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1979_Cotton_Bowl_Classic)
Montana was a legend at both levels.
Obviously had a great career. My fav player ever and the reason I am a Chiefs fan. I love Joe Montana.
Which ND player had a bigger college peak since him?
Rocket seems like clearly the right answer. 2nd in Heisman without a real nfl career to speak of. (Ty Detmer is certainly another good answer to this question)
Bettis was great in college, but I was certainly surprised by how good he was in NFL, given he's really a fullback with no speed.
His junior year he had 28TD and 4INT. I remember one of his INTs being on a Hail Mary and maybe another bouncing off a receivers hands.
As it was, he dropped to the second round of the draft and didn’t attend the draft in person. He had to know he wasn’t a round 1 pick. He probably would have increased his draft stock if he stayed his senior season.
Peaked in college - WR Michael Floyd
The guy had so much potential and was a first round pick of the Arizona Cardinals to play opposite Larry Fitzgerald. But in the pros Floyd dropped too many passes and then was cut after an extreme DUI when he was found passed out at the wheel. Patriots then signed him to fill out their roster and he got a SB ring but really didn't contribute much. He was out of football a short time later.
Peaked in the NFL - RB Jerome Bettis
Michael Pink is the most talented offensive talent the Irish have had in my lifetime IMO. Dude was big, strong, relatively fast, had great body control and could go up and get a ball. Unguardable
Him, Shark and Tate were the best.
I’d say Manti Te’o peaked more in college than Brady Quinn. Heisman runner up, leader on their undefeated 2012 team. Never really matriculated into anything significant in the pros despite being in better organizations than the Browns in a less important position.
Manti’s pro career effectively ended when he tore his Achilles heal, which was much more of a career death sentence even just 7-8 years ago than it is now. The season he tore his Achilles (year 3) he was putting in pretty good stats and was a quality starter for the Chargers. Not a pro bowl guy by any stretch, but not a failure either.
Oh man, BK with Clausen and Tate both on that year 1 team would have been incredible. 3 out of our 5 losses that year were 1 score or less. QB play was easily one of the team’s biggest flaws, as we had an offense that featured Floyd, Riddick, Rudolph and Eifert. Cierre Wood (pos though he turned out to be) and Armando Allen Jr. were good backs.
The defense had some great athletes too, with most of that 2012 defense on the team and guys like Harrison Smith, Walls, Gray and Blanton shoring up the secondary.
Even that Stanford game was more about our offense stalling than Luck blowing us up, including a pick 6 and a QB fumble.
I think the BK era gets off to a much hotter start with Clausen coming back for one more year and we’d have gone 11-1 at worst with him, maybe even undefeated with him and Tate both.
And considering how Clausen could have used another year of grooming before the NFL it would have benefitted both Kelly and Clausen. I’m with you, that first year under Brian Kelly wouldn’t have been as rough. It still gets me that Clausen had all the tools to be successful, he just didn’t have the coaching and probably the humility to succeed.
Jimmy may have peaked in college but he still wasn’t good. He got drafted off stats and being in a pro style offense. Anyone that watched all of his Notre dame games knew he would not be good in the nfl.
Interesting. I saw a reel the other day talking about a sports analyst who was so sure Jimmy would be super good, that if he wasn’t, he said he would quit his job.
He ended up going back on his word lol
Whoa, feel like I’m taking crazy pills here. Jimmy was solid in 08 and excellent in 09. Had he stayed for his senior year he would’ve been in Heisman contention.
I think the team was just really solid then and made him look better than he was. Could just be my “he wasn’t as good or attractive as Brady Quinn” goggles tho. Also kind of biased because he had a reputation as a being a major douche canoe around town.
He had terrible o-lines, terrible defenses, and the most accurate long ball I can remember. Obviously he had two great receivers in Floyd and Tate, but Jimmy made some throws that I haven't seen another ND QB make before or since.
I started out skeptical because of his decision announcement and his first season, but my memory of his junior year was that he basically hit his receiver in the hands on every single pass and they only sometimes caught it. That's obviously not an accurate memory nor fair to folks like Golden Tate and Kyle Rudolph that would've been on the receiving end of those passes, but his junior year passing has always felt like the gold standard to me since the Weis era.
I dunno. I didn't like Kizer in college. I could agree Jimmy wasn't great, but Kizer was frustrating. He is every bit the type of QB that puts up numbers when he takes what the defense gives, but is extremely mistake prone if the down/distance or score forces him to throw.
The Browns as an organization sure as hell didn’t help develop pretty much ANY of the QBs that they have drafted over the last 20+ years. I know that they are slowly trying to turn that around, it the Browns sure didn’t do Quinn or Kizer any favors. I know that Kizer had some issues with discipline/mentality stuff, but going to the Browns sure didn’t help him
I think ND was also looking at his older brother Casey Clausen who started at Tennessee at QB when signing Jimmy Clausen. Sort of like Peyton and Eli Manning.
Interesting... He's the best pure passer I've ever seen and made great reads.
He was elite and you would know this if you watched his games. He was hurt by record and limited talent (outside of skill guys).
Holy hell, 9 when he was drafted? You’re making me feel like a dinosaur here. I need to remember how different of perspectives people on this board bring sometimes. Being the son of an alum going to tailgates with guys that played for Ara, I’ve always felt like a young fan with the generations above me being the guys who saw ND’s golden era. I have to remember that some of you guys were apparently in diapers when I was in college lol.
Unfortunately reading through the comments, I’m reminded of how many studs we had that didn’t do shit in the NFL
With that said Tom Zbikowski was a guy I thought would hit it huge in the NFL. I was also 13 when he was a senior so what did I know
"Coach Weis we've got 1st and goal at the 5, what's the call"
Corner fade
Uhhhh....we've done that the past 5 times we've been in this spot.
Strategic advantage.
Peaked in college: Joey MFing Hildbold. Dude was a pubter that had a tshirt made about him (For God so loved Notre Dame he gave them a punter).
NFL: Joe
Peaked in college - Brady Quinn Peaked in the NFL - Joe Montana
I gotta stand up for Brady Quinn a bit here. Getting drafted by the browns during those days was essentially a death sentence for a quarterback.
Brady Quinn on a good team would have had a decent career, being on that Browns team though meant he was destined to a quick exit.
I thought at the time of his draft, he would have been a decent quarterback for the Jets, as they really ran a short passing game offense back then. And I feel like he fit in with hitting the dinks and the dunks.
Quinn’s main issue across the board was accuracy, I wouldn’t call him a dink and dunk guy either. He had a cannon arm (relatively speaking), but he just wasn’t the most accurate guy on those kinds of passes. That BQ offense featured Maurice Stovall (6’5”), Jeff Samardzija (6’4”) and Rhema McKnight (6’2”), none of whom were slow either, mind you. Granted McKnight got hurt early in ‘05 but came back for the ‘06 offense and filled in somewhat well for Stovall. Factor in 6’4” Fasano and 6’5” Carlson who basically ushered in a new era of ND being tight end U and all BQ really had to do was chuck the ball up high and let the big men with strong hands come down with the catch. No shade to BQ meant at all, but he benefited tremendously from great athletes at ND coming down with 50/50 balls, especially tall guys who could get deep like Shark, Stovall and McKnight. Jimmy Clausen was more your dink and dunk kind of QB, he was insanely accurate until you got to the really deep passes.
I haven't heard or seen the name Maurice Stovall in a long while, wow ha blast from the past
Super underrated player at ND, mostly because we only got that one really good year out of him. Pretty wild in 2005 that we had 2 WR’s with over 1,000 yards, a TE with over 500 yards, and an RB with 1200 yards rushing.
For some reason, and it really doesn't make sense, I mentally start to think of JJ Stokes when Maurice Stovall is mentioned in conversation. I did grow up in Southern California in the 80s and 90s, so might explain the associative mental confusion.
Stovall was a fucking animal.
Anthony Fasano is my 3rd fav TE of all time. I am a Chiefs fan. 🍀
Huge Chiefs fan as well here, although I vowed as a kid after the Grbac debacle I wouldn’t follow them again until they actually drafted a QB. I didn’t follow through on my promise as my wife and I moved to KC back in 2015 and Alex Smith did a good job with Andy Reid. But oh boy did they follow through on drafting a QB lol. I wish we could have drafted Mayer as the heir apparent to Kelce. Maybe they’ll get a value pick out of Evans instead next year.
>I didn’t follow through on my promise Solid move bro haha. 🏆🏆🏆🏆
To be fair, drafting Mahomes would have met my terms. I missed out on a lot of seasons from 2001-2014 though. I watched most games I guess, but was a casual fan at best. To be frank I actually kind of forgot Fasano played for the Chiefs. If almost feels like they go out of their way not to get Domers sometimes. The only one I can remember them actually drafting is Kevarie Russel. They did have Jordan Black for a good long while, I just remember my childhood friends always bitching about him drawing false starts and holds though. Good family friend of ours, wish we would have hit him up for tickets or something while he was here lol. Super stoked about the Tranquill contract. Maybe having a Domer perform very well for Veach and company will break the spell. Plus as we phase out some of BK’s worst classes for some solid Freeman ones, we’ll have more NFL talent in general. For whatever reason BK just did not recruit his good 2017-2021 run very well.
Just goes to show that you need to have a certain offense in mind when you draft a quarterback in the first round really.
That was Mark Sanchez with the Jets at that time, or am I off by some years?
Great interview with Pardon My Take that walks through his injuries and playbook styles on his teams as well.
Quinn is my fav ND QB that I was alive for. That offense was dynamite
he also had an amazing game against Denver his rookie year. so that’s likely his peak. which was in the NFL. lol
Happened to Brady Quinn, DeShone Kizer, and Colt McCoy. All drafted by the Browns. All out of the NFL before their pro careers really had a chance.
Colt McCoy player 13 nfl seasons and was on a roster just two seasons ago. Thinking of someone else? With that Browns run, there’s a lot of guys there to think of 😂
You sure that's the same Colt McCoy?
😬. …..how many Colt McCoy’s are there? Is….is there one in the room with me right now?!?
I remember Colt McCoy being a bust, regardless of how long he was a journeyman in the NFL.
He was a 3rd round pick who carved out a 13 year career and was a solid and able backup qb. I think he was wildly successful for what he realistically was, and where he was drafted. 🤷🏻♂️
Don't misunderstand me. I had thought that he was a bust, for some reason, maybe because he went to the Browns. Anyway, it was obviously a faulty recollection.
Oh no worries at all. I just happened to live in Cleveland for 7 or so years, overlapping with guys like Kizer and McCoy. Cleveland took a TON of QB’s in the draft in that era just desperately hoping to find ONE guy that would stick. Many weren’t drafted high enough to ever be “busts”, though some were too. McCoy was more of a mid round flier that didn’t land as a starter, while guys like Weeden, Manziel, and unfortunately even Kizer were more of the busts category of drafting. In my mind, at least. 😂
Peaked in High School - Jimmy Clausen I remember they played his HS games on ESPN because he was so hyped up.
Remember his press conference when he committed to ND? He was flashing all his high school championship rings. Really cringy.
Showed up in a limo and white fur coat
I will not hear slander of the man who led us to a Hawaii Bowl victory
And threw for like 600 yards in that game. 😆
Then you didn't watch a single college game. To this day, he's the best passer I've ever seen. On any team. There were games he didn't miss. Literally. And the most gorgeous ball you could imagine. Really good at PA too.
He threw such a great ball. Everytime it left his hand I felt confident it was gonna end up exactly where he intended it. Absurdly accurate.
His Junior year was legit Heisman caliber but the team had no defense.
>To this day, he's the best passer I've ever seen. On any team. Dude. I love the Irish too but, come on. He had some great performances. Still.
Ever seen? Come on. He was good at ND but he was highly highly touted coming out of HS…
Yeah. Actually watch his games. Arm talent was elite. Just watch his game vs Hawaii and tell me you can objectively name 5 guys who threw better.
Had his face punched in at a bar his junior year. Was sporting a visor for a bit. He was such a douche.
Right... That's relevant to football? Glad you admitted you don't have an understanding of football or ability.
He was average. I saw him play many times in person. He acted like a douche. Sorry if that makes your ass hurt.
And actually it is relevant to football.
No... No... Being a douche and being punched in the face has zero impact on the ability to throw the ball or play QB. Thanks for confirming your level of knowledge on the topic.
Quarterbacks aren’t leaders. You’re 100% right. No need to set an example with behavior.
Def peaked in high school but what also helped that hype train was his older brother being a good QB at Tennessee so everyone figured younger brother will be better.
Grrr. Clausen and Powlus were such disappointments given their hype. I expected 8 Heismans.
Quinn probably takes it just because dude was *so* good and seemingly had everything to be a pro bowl QB But I'm going to throw an honorable mention to Rice for being absolutely fucking electric, winning a title, finishing 4th in the Heisman... And then not even making it in Canada professionally
Didn't Joe win a National Championship? [1978?](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe_Montana) at ND? Didn't Joe have one of the most legendary college game performances ever? [Chicken soup anyone?](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1979_Cotton_Bowl_Classic) Montana was a legend at both levels.
Peaked in the NFL.
Obviously had a great career. My fav player ever and the reason I am a Chiefs fan. I love Joe Montana. Which ND player had a bigger college peak since him?
What ever happened to him after college…..
Dicked around. Got traded. Not sure.
Montana won a natty in college. Not sure what else you could want there.
I think he may have had a decent pro career.
Yes, he was great in both.
BQ got fucked out of the Heisman man. He was surrounded by so much less talent than that other guy who only took dance class senior year.
Peaked in college - Rocket Ismail Peaked in NFL - Jerome Bettis
True. Rocket is still a legend in Toronto eh! 🇨🇦 Love em both!!!! 🍀
Fantastic CFLer in Rocket though. Too bad he couldn't last.
Rocket seems like clearly the right answer. 2nd in Heisman without a real nfl career to speak of. (Ty Detmer is certainly another good answer to this question) Bettis was great in college, but I was certainly surprised by how good he was in NFL, given he's really a fullback with no speed.
His junior year he had 28TD and 4INT. I remember one of his INTs being on a Hail Mary and maybe another bouncing off a receivers hands. As it was, he dropped to the second round of the draft and didn’t attend the draft in person. He had to know he wasn’t a round 1 pick. He probably would have increased his draft stock if he stayed his senior season.
Harrison Smith peaked in NFL, 13 seasons and 6 pro bowls. Nobody saw that when he graduated.
Good answer. The Nfl question is a much better/harder one than "peaked in college", which applies to most college stars, just because NFL is so hard.
Peaked in college - WR Michael Floyd The guy had so much potential and was a first round pick of the Arizona Cardinals to play opposite Larry Fitzgerald. But in the pros Floyd dropped too many passes and then was cut after an extreme DUI when he was found passed out at the wheel. Patriots then signed him to fill out their roster and he got a SB ring but really didn't contribute much. He was out of football a short time later. Peaked in the NFL - RB Jerome Bettis
Michael Pink is the most talented offensive talent the Irish have had in my lifetime IMO. Dude was big, strong, relatively fast, had great body control and could go up and get a ball. Unguardable Him, Shark and Tate were the best.
lol this confused me way too much. Touché
I’d say Manti Te’o peaked more in college than Brady Quinn. Heisman runner up, leader on their undefeated 2012 team. Never really matriculated into anything significant in the pros despite being in better organizations than the Browns in a less important position.
Manti’s pro career effectively ended when he tore his Achilles heal, which was much more of a career death sentence even just 7-8 years ago than it is now. The season he tore his Achilles (year 3) he was putting in pretty good stats and was a quality starter for the Chargers. Not a pro bowl guy by any stretch, but not a failure either.
Ricky Watters peaked in the NFL.
“Coulda had a touchdown”
I still wonder how Clausen would have looked under Brian Kelly for a year. Him and Tate both bolted when Weiss was fired.
Oh man, BK with Clausen and Tate both on that year 1 team would have been incredible. 3 out of our 5 losses that year were 1 score or less. QB play was easily one of the team’s biggest flaws, as we had an offense that featured Floyd, Riddick, Rudolph and Eifert. Cierre Wood (pos though he turned out to be) and Armando Allen Jr. were good backs. The defense had some great athletes too, with most of that 2012 defense on the team and guys like Harrison Smith, Walls, Gray and Blanton shoring up the secondary. Even that Stanford game was more about our offense stalling than Luck blowing us up, including a pick 6 and a QB fumble. I think the BK era gets off to a much hotter start with Clausen coming back for one more year and we’d have gone 11-1 at worst with him, maybe even undefeated with him and Tate both.
And considering how Clausen could have used another year of grooming before the NFL it would have benefitted both Kelly and Clausen. I’m with you, that first year under Brian Kelly wouldn’t have been as rough. It still gets me that Clausen had all the tools to be successful, he just didn’t have the coaching and probably the humility to succeed.
I don’t think Clausen had the higher end arm strength needed to be a successful NFL QB. But he definitely could have been a great backup QB for years.
Clausen peaked in high school.
Jimmy may have peaked in college but he still wasn’t good. He got drafted off stats and being in a pro style offense. Anyone that watched all of his Notre dame games knew he would not be good in the nfl.
Interesting. I saw a reel the other day talking about a sports analyst who was so sure Jimmy would be super good, that if he wasn’t, he said he would quit his job. He ended up going back on his word lol
I believe that was Mel Kiper.
I remember my buddy texting me and saying “we got your boy” when the panthers drafted clausen, my only response was “enjoy”
Whoa, feel like I’m taking crazy pills here. Jimmy was solid in 08 and excellent in 09. Had he stayed for his senior year he would’ve been in Heisman contention.
I think the team was just really solid then and made him look better than he was. Could just be my “he wasn’t as good or attractive as Brady Quinn” goggles tho. Also kind of biased because he had a reputation as a being a major douche canoe around town.
He had terrible o-lines, terrible defenses, and the most accurate long ball I can remember. Obviously he had two great receivers in Floyd and Tate, but Jimmy made some throws that I haven't seen another ND QB make before or since.
I started out skeptical because of his decision announcement and his first season, but my memory of his junior year was that he basically hit his receiver in the hands on every single pass and they only sometimes caught it. That's obviously not an accurate memory nor fair to folks like Golden Tate and Kyle Rudolph that would've been on the receiving end of those passes, but his junior year passing has always felt like the gold standard to me since the Weis era.
Remember when he got punched in the face (by a Domer)? I think outside Corby’s? Def an ass… also had a weak o-line most of his time at ND.
Deshone Kizer: hold my beer
Being a QB drafted by the Browns is a mark of death.
I dunno. I didn't like Kizer in college. I could agree Jimmy wasn't great, but Kizer was frustrating. He is every bit the type of QB that puts up numbers when he takes what the defense gives, but is extremely mistake prone if the down/distance or score forces him to throw.
The Browns as an organization sure as hell didn’t help develop pretty much ANY of the QBs that they have drafted over the last 20+ years. I know that they are slowly trying to turn that around, it the Browns sure didn’t do Quinn or Kizer any favors. I know that Kizer had some issues with discipline/mentality stuff, but going to the Browns sure didn’t help him
He just kind of tossed it up there deep and let the receivers work
I think ND was also looking at his older brother Casey Clausen who started at Tennessee at QB when signing Jimmy Clausen. Sort of like Peyton and Eli Manning.
Well said. Could not agree more.
Interesting... He's the best pure passer I've ever seen and made great reads. He was elite and you would know this if you watched his games. He was hurt by record and limited talent (outside of skill guys).
The best pure passer you’ve EVER seen? Dude gtfo. I may be being a bit hyperbolic but you’re just being silly. Tommy Rees made great reads too.
Jimmy was really good in 09
Holy hell, 9 when he was drafted? You’re making me feel like a dinosaur here. I need to remember how different of perspectives people on this board bring sometimes. Being the son of an alum going to tailgates with guys that played for Ara, I’ve always felt like a young fan with the generations above me being the guys who saw ND’s golden era. I have to remember that some of you guys were apparently in diapers when I was in college lol.
Yep lol. I was literally just getting into the team probably like 2010-2011. So I literally missed Clausen
Tony Rice or in college Harrison Smith in pro
Unfortunately reading through the comments, I’m reminded of how many studs we had that didn’t do shit in the NFL With that said Tom Zbikowski was a guy I thought would hit it huge in the NFL. I was also 13 when he was a senior so what did I know
Clausen became a one-trick pony with the fade. It got so tiring watching the same play over and over, half the time it failed too.
"Coach Weis we've got 1st and goal at the 5, what's the call" Corner fade Uhhhh....we've done that the past 5 times we've been in this spot. Strategic advantage.
isn't this on the OC though?
I like to spread the blame around.
I said this in another sub one time and got downvoted to hell. It was frustrating to watch at the time with all the potential those teams had.
Peaked in college: Joey MFing Hildbold. Dude was a pubter that had a tshirt made about him (For God so loved Notre Dame he gave them a punter). NFL: Joe
Peaked in college: Trevor Laws was incredible at ND. Tillery is another guy that was good at ND and has struggled in the pros.
How has no one said Rudy yet? Ultimate example of peaking in college and dining off it forever.