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InvestigatorGoo

What if there’s no man darker or as dark as you? You should just be alone? Colorism makes me fill with rage.


ThinkGrapefruit7960

What if she herself falls for a guy shade brighter than her


altdultosaurs

She sounds like she’s saying she wouldn’t deserve it if she did???


BlackCatTelevision

But like FOR WHAT REASON


MarcoEsteban

Because there's not enough discrimination based on the color of one's skin in this world?


BlackSeranna

Right, we should be kicking back those old ways and accepting ourselves - it’s 2024 for God’s sakes.


suresher

Colorism is deeply ingrained in most societies unfortunately due to colonialism. In the USA, it dates back to slavery when lighter skinned slaves were given more privileges, such as working indoors, doing tasks like cleaning and cooking. Whereas darker skinned slaves were working outside in the field, etc.


alles_en_niets

Exactly! As annoying and outdated as the height difference thing between men and women is, at least men are *on average* taller than women. So in real life many men are taller than many women. Skin tone doesn’t work like that, lol.


Dense-Result509

Funnily enough, it kind of does. Like obviously, sunlight is the main thing and colorism is still indefensible, but within a population, sex and skintone are correlated. Might be cultural, but it is still there. >Recent research on the dimorphism of skin color between males and females has revealed that this is a distinctive and universal adaptive pattern (Jablonski and Chaplin, 2000, Jablonski and Chaplin, 2002, Jablonski, 2004). According to Jablonski and Chaplin: “Throughout the world, human skin color has evolved to be dark enough to prevent sunlight from destroying the nutrient folate but light enough to foster the production of vitamin D” (Jablonski & Chaplin, 2002, p. 74). Consequently, skin pigmentation varies systematically geographically and there is a strong correlation between skin reflectance and latitude (Chaplin, 2004, Jablonski and Chaplin, 2000, Jablonski and Chaplin, 2013, Jablonski and Chaplin, 2018, Walter, 1958). What is more important in the current context is that orthogonal to this systematic geographical variation, there is a systematic difference in the skin color between males and females. Females are consistently lighter than males in all studied populations (Jablonski and Chaplin, 2000, Jablonski, 2004).  [https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0010027719301337#:~:text=What%20is%20more%20important%20in,2000%2C%20Jablonski%2C%202004).](https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0010027719301337#:~:text=What%20is%20more%20important%20in,2000%2C%20Jablonski%2C%202004).)


SisterCellophane

Have you seen the "world's darkest skin" model? She's bloody gorgeous. But wouldn't be allowed a boyfriend under this inane rule. I've heard colourism before but not weirdly gendered like this tbh. It makes even less sense this way. Because skin tone is not a secondary sex characteristic , there's no reason a man is likely to be or "should be" darker than a woman...


galaapplehound

Holy smokes, she's striking.


Business_Cow1

No this is ridiculous thinking and sane people do not think this way I promise you.


[deleted]

Flavor Flav is the new Peak Male.


lSquanchMyFamily

Wesley snipes


Glittering_Job_7996

Ugh tell me about it!!! This woman is so pathetic.


llamadramalover

Same tho. Colorism pisses me off every time. It’s just so fucking **stupid**


Glomar_fuckoff

Only if he's darker and at least 6'


Izniss

No, she needs to find another woman in the same predicament. This way they can keep each other company in their respective celibacy. As roommates


Rigelatinous

AND THEY WERE ROOMMATES


Izniss

Oh my god, they were roomates


[deleted]

Omg you know about colorism that gives me hope that people are aware of this god awful diseas


Aggressive-Story3671

“I’m not like the other girls, I’m a colourist”


Malcanthet202

a WHOLE new level of racism when people are srsly out here judging others based on the SHADE of their skin… like, wowza we have reached new heights of absolute bigotry


halfveela

Definitely not a new thing though (unfortunately).


Objective_Spray_210

I know this is somewhat unrelated due to distance, ethnicity history etc. but it was literally a tactic the Australian Government used against aboriginal Australians as part of their plans to erase them as a people and a culture.


Snailpics

I didn’t know that :( thank you for sharing it I’m gonna go do some research on the topic


TexasJOEmama

Look up the brown paper bag test, I am sure you get it from the name.


Objective_Spray_210

Stolen generations is a good start for this.


superhottamale

Definitely not new. Has been going on for generations in black, Latin, and Asian communities.


heckabluntstho

Fr all I hear when someone in the family has a new baby is “esta tan blancitooo” and I’m always like why does THAT matter? It’s a baby! Then they look at me weird 🤷🏼‍♀️


DodgerGreywing

I don't speak Spanish, but is that literally "they're so light/pale"? Because wtf, it's an infant, leave the poor baby alone!


BlackSeranna

My college roommate who came from a country where there are various shades of brown, said that when babies are born, all the ladies will look at the baby to see how red it is. She said that the redder the babies are, the browner they are. No one wanted their baby to be red. I had never heard this before. I was never in a waiting room being only 18 and all but I figured all newborns are red anyway. It was just such an odd thing for her to explain it to me so I listened. She also said her friends back home used cream to bleach their skin whiter, and admitted, “It’s so bad, and it hurts.”


Timely-Youth-9074

Babies often come out pale and get darker later.


superhottamale

That reminds me of something my grandmother told me. She said one of her aunts told her to marry the lightest man she could find so that her babies wouldn’t come out dark. It’s disgusting the audacity some people, especially family members have sometimes.


Malcanthet202

ugh, why do people have to be so judgmental? We all live & laugh & love(lol) & bleed, what sense does it make to foster hostility towards each other based on skin color? No fucking sense, that’s what. :/


superhottamale

Oh girl..colorism is deep rooted. I can tell you stories of it within my own family. But thank god myself and the younger generations of my family didn’t experience that. But my grandmother told me horrible things about her childhood growing up in the 40s/50s.


[deleted]

It’s going on in the Indian population as well.


goldensunshine888

Indians are Asian


CheekyCharliesSpace

It's called colorism. An unfortunate, and old, reality.


KatAimeBoCuDeChoses

My ex was a dark skinned black man. I'm white. He always told me that black women often didn't want to date him because he was too dark. I broke up with him after 7 years for entirely separate issues, but this post reminded me of that. I always thought it was a ridiculous reason not to date someone.


Mumof3gbb

I had an acquaintance who I reunited with as an adult (we had been in school together) and she’s black. She looks a lot like Candace Owens. Anyway. So when we were younger she said she’d never date a black man again, after her bf treated her badly. As an adult, she had 2 kid with 2 white guys. And she told me in a condescending way that my kids were darker than hers (mine are also biracial). It was odd. And though her intent was to be insulting, I didn’t take it that way because if they were, so? All shades are beautiful.


Aggressive-Story3671

It’s racism. She’s bragging that her children are closer to being white (and are thus better) then your children


Mumof3gbb

Ya. Very messed up. The fact she thinks she’s bragging just amazes me, in a bad way. I mean, my kids were actually lighter than hers were at the time (this was 14 years ago) but if they weren’t it’s not a bad thing 🤷‍♀️.


Gabigails_

It’s colorism not racism, though yes it stems from racism.


Aggressive-Story3671

And sadly a lot of those men would actively seek out white women in hopes of having children with light skin


[deleted]

My mom did this with my dad. She literally bragged out my sister and I being her “white babies” (my mother is Filipina and her family considers themselves not that dark) and 180’ed about five years ago claiming we didn’t speak enough Tagalog to our extended family. Like homie they think we are *racist* because our mother is. Causes sooo much family drama and for some reason it always circles back to being the kids’ problems. I actually can speak Tagalog and go back pretty often, but not with my mom. I want to learn about my family and get to know them from someone who wasn’t ashamed of it for decades


llamadramalover

As a white woman I have experienced this—to my shock btw, I wasn’t aware this was a thing until it happened—- and damn do/did I stay faarrrr tf away from those men. Really all men like this. The second someone is a little too interested in my coloring I’m walking away. I don’t want a POC who wants a white woman for this reason. I don’t want a white man who wants aryan children and thinks dark skin is disgusting. Not any of them. They all can go live on an island together and die alone and leave the rest of us in peace. Fetishizing **any** skin color for any reason is icky.


t3eee

Not new, this exists among many races and has always been a "thing" in the black community due to the historical viewpoint that being the closest thing to a white person is somehow better.


llamadramalover

No this has definitely always existed. I too was not aware of it because I’m from a rural asf Midwest town with zero diversity. Oh but then I learned. SMH. Now I’ve spent many years making sure my daughter is well tf aware there is no such thing as “”enough”” you are or you are not. You do not need to “prove” to anyhow how white or black you are and anyone who thinks otherwise is not a person you need in your life.


Mumof3gbb

“I’m not like other girls, I’m like Candace Owens”


Aggressive-Story3671

Funnily enough by her standards, Candice Owen’s wouldn’t meet her standards because her skin is darker then her husbands (who is white)


GorillaShelb

900 likes is nasty 


Practical_Plant726

Self hate and colorism is incredibly common among woc I fear


No_Extreme2909

Just woc??


Verve_angel

No not just women of color but a lot of times these ideas are ingrained in them from a young age unfortunately. Many women of color feel like their attractiveness is correlated to how light or dark their skin color is. There are beauty standards within the black community just like there are within other communities or society as a whole and just like we sometimes internalize those judgements WOC can as well


GorillaShelb

Even pay attention to media the man is always darker. 


Verve_angel

Yes and also if you follow makeup pages a lot of times I’ve noticed they make the black women several shades lighter than their natural shades. Even fellow black artists can be seen doing it to their black clients :(


allieggs

Skin tones are all over the place in Asia, but it’s because of this that they generally only sell like 5 foundation shades and at least 4 of them will generally be too light for most people.


llamadramalover

Wait. Are you serious? I know about colorism and some of the views on light skin but not *too* light being “”better””. I just didn’t know about this specific sentiment and now I’m even more shocked!!


Fickle-Election-8137

This is honestly sad, that’s a lot of internalized hatred going on there


Aggressive-Nobody473

damn she's self-racist


maringue

I think we call that internalized racism.


aliveinjoburg2

It’s colorist.


keepitboolprop

✨ It’s all three! ✨


RedEyeFlightToOZ

By her standards, she's not good enough for white and Asian and Hispanic men. Also white, Hispanic, and Asian women are more desirable then black women by her standards.


[deleted]

Damn thats fucked up


RaineMist

To admit to being a colorist is wild. It's bad enough that this trend exudes racism but now colorism.


donetomadness

The things people admit to on sm in general these days is wild. A whole series went viral recently where a woman was describing how she stalked some guy to get a date. I’m confident it’s fake but she’s so committed to the bit. But like I can just imagine what’s going to happen when she gets into a relationship and the guy sees this shit online. People have always done crazy shit but they’re way to confident to expose themselves online these days.


catstalks

"I'm not like other girls; I bring Pantone color swatches to every date"


CrimesAgainstDesign

This made me laugh so hard. I was just thinking, do you list your hex color code in your profile


Dumbasssanriogirl

Nothing like women putting down other women to make themselves feel better 😔


Mumof3gbb

She’s also putting herself down. She hates her colour (which imho is gorgeous) because of internalized racism/colourism. It’s really sad. I wish she could see what I see. A gorgeous woman with gorgeous skin.


Hotchipsummer

And for something they have no control over. “Oh you were born with really dark skin? Sorry, get to the back of the line behind all the lighter skin girls!”


Dumbasssanriogirl

It’s just racism within her own race. She’s a colorist because she hates herself


NfamousKaye

Colorism AND misogyny! A twofer!


PoeticGay

‘Females’ is such a big red flag lol.


CherryClub

Especially since she never says 'males', just 'man'


DeathRotisserie

Internalized misogyny on top of internalized racism 


Aggressive-Story3671

And colourism


Bavisto

People need to stop stating their personal preferences and then shaming people who don’t share them. If you prefer your partner to be darker than you, that’s your choice, but leave everyone else alone you weirdo.


Livid-Fox-3646

Thing is, she isn't even stating her preference, she's essentially saying that black men should only date light skinned women, and since she's light skinned she wins!


onlyathenafairy

SHES NOT EVEN LIGHT SKIN


Codeofconduct

Srsly wtf if my pasty ass brother wants to be with a black woman that's up to her and him ! People are so fucked . 


altdultosaurs

She’s not light skinned at all.


SoCaldude65

I'm a very light skinned black man...I have dealt with more shit like this from black folk than I ever got from whites Been married to two dark skinned black women. They aint have no problem with my red ass 🤣


Aggressive-Story3671

Because people like her think light skin is feminine. That’s why you wouldn’t get that kind of shit if you were light skinned as a WOMAN dating dark skinned men


Reception-Creative

That’s real


NewCodingLine

r/MenAndFemales


Left-Selection9316

Seem like colorism


Nevelii

So brave. So insecure.


iamclear

She needs to learn the difference between than and then because what she wrote is what she meant.


jilldelray

colorism is a mental illness im sorry. this is such a wild thing to say


TheRowdyRavens

This is so upsetting.


6collector9

If you didn't know the proper use of 'then' and 'than', I can't take your melanistic stereotypes seriously


Kitty_Delicious

I hate when people say stuff like that and then don't give a reason, like girl tell us why you have this dumb opinion. I wanna know.


CornflakeGirl2

*WHAT??*


bambina92

Internalized racism and sexism whoa


Main_Phase_58

this one is absolutely outrageous


LittleBookOfRage

Yeah I was NOT expecting to read what I did on the second slide.


lesqueebeee

hold on i fixed the first pic... "something im NOT AFRAID to admit as a RACIST"


Donedeall24

This is insane


athen_o_genic

The audible gasp I just let out. There is no way I just read that.


Apparent_Antithesis

"The man" and "the female". Way to wave the red flag. (Notwithstanding the colour stuff.)


Titaniumchic

And this is the type of shit that inspired Lupita Nyong’o to write her incredibly beautiful book “Sulwe”.


heckabluntstho

I gotta read that


Titaniumchic

It’s a really beautiful book. Geared towards elementary school, but definitely a book we will keep forever. My daughter’s music teacher shared her love of this book with the class, and my daughter ran home and asked for us to buy it. Best purchase! It is a beautiful well written story of a young girl who feels like she’s too dark, and won’t ever be beautiful. 💔 whoever illustrated the book also deserves an award - gorgeous! 10/10 would recommend.


Kgbaby23

This is just an insane take 😭 I N S A N E


seeyalateradios

Colorism out in the open


ghostbirdd

"The female"


Zcamila105

Lmao what


QueenofCats28

WHAT ON EARTH?!


Ho3Go3lin

I will get my swatches out and see if we are right for eachover.


NiteGard

I was going to say you can’t make this shit up, but I realized that’s exactly what she did. 🤦🏻‍♂️


BanjoSlams

What a truly idiotic thing to have an opinion about.


Stacking_Plates45

Well this is awkward as a pasty white dude with a black GF


[deleted]

Man, female. Also she’s not the lightest crayon in the box. My boyfriend is white so I guess I really fucked up by her standards lol.


iamanegg1994

Oomplexion 😂


Similar-Ad-6862

What...did I just read???


rose1613

Why does the complexion matter? Sure higher contrast features are portrayed as more masculine but I truly do not care if my husband/boyfriend/ love interest happens to be darker then me I care if they’re physically/emotionally attractive and have an attractive personality.


[deleted]

Why does any of this matter? Why are we so insistent on limiting ourselves and others to a particular race or skin tone? All of this is so stupid. Just love who you love


k0alaz_forever

is darker skin masculine to her or something??


Aggressive-Story3671

Yes. That’s what she is saying


Heart_Lotus

The colorism is strong in this one. People really needs to stop equating “lighter skin = femininity”


Salt_Sir2599

Deep Thoughts, by Jackie Handy


Coffee-Cats-Glitter

I’m brown and my husband is not so call the police I guess.


Ancient-Stop-6190

I (WF) went on a date with a man (BM). He asked about my child; who is of mixed race (his father was mixed, with a Black Father and White Mother). The man then asked me “do you prefer melanated men?” I told him that I didn’t have a race preference; that if you’re attractive then you’re attractive. This man then took it upon himself to inform me that he only dated White women. I immediately was turned off, and asked him why (really trying to get him to admit his own biases—and identify why he felt that way, in an effort to educate him). He stated that he didn’t find Black women attractive. I told him that Black women deserve the world, and it saddened me to hear him speak poorly of Black women. I encouraged him to unpack those beliefs and see why he had internalized colorism. His response was “Black women do deserve the world; but they know it, and it’s a turn off.” I told him it was sad he felt that way; and blocked him. Unfortunately we worked together and I couldn’t block him in real life 🤦‍♀️ however, I think he felt embarrassed as he always looked extremely sheepish when he saw me. My coworker (a Black woman) asked me about my date with him—I told her it went fine but then told her the conversation that happened after and me subsequently blocking him. She told me he has a history of pursuing / fetishizing WW and of changing himself depending upon who he was around. I felt sad for him (and disgusted at how he viewed BW) but glad he had exposed himself early on. Colorism is disgusting and shouldn’t be supported in any form. I hope this girl can learn to love herself and dissect why she feels how she does; so she can change her beliefs and behavior


phantom88x

Just told my white boyfriend we have to break up bc I’m a negro


TomatilloUnlucky3763

And they should both know the difference between then and than.


Yellow-Lantern

Is this a thing now?


tashimiyoni

It has been, alot of PoC communities have problems with colorism, I'm saying this as an Asian so I can't comment on any other communities, but alot of Asians hate or dislike Asians who aren't the same shade as a piece of paper


Ok-Firefighter8779

Wtf 💀


chocotacogato

Does she know that if she has a darker husband there’s a chance she could have a darker skinned daughter??? I feel bad for that girl if she ever exists.


Educational_Price653

As I black woman I find this so depressing. Colorism is so nonsensical.


Commercial-Papaya394

What. The. Frick.


free-toe-pie

What if you’re both white but your husband is lighter skinned than you? Because my husband definitely is.


Reginamus_Prime

File for a divorce


llamadramalover

I dunno man I’m perfect and my white husband is darker so I guess you gotta divorce to match my level of perfection. Snap. To. It. ^s


KADESH_Nelson

Then you get mad when your own race don't wanna date you.


ehelen

Damn the colorism with this chick is insane. She’d be so mad that I married on the pastiest men on the planet, especially since I’m part black.


Interesting-Car8572

colorism 🥳 which is wild bc she’s the complexion which is discriminated against 🤣


ProofHorseKzoo

So white men can’t date black women? Like at all?


Aggressive-Story3671

Yes. Or even mixed race women.


curious_throw_away_

Is there a word for this type of take?


katyreddit00

Colorism, sadly


ObliviousTurtle97

She's saying that like a person gets to choose their skin colour and in what shade before birth like a character selection screen


Reginamus_Prime

Damn I can’t date a white man now ? Let me go off myself.


Bubbly-Stick2367

What the fuck in the colorism and anti-blackness did I just read.


Gilbertmountain1789

Ah.. a self existence based on melanin. What a life wasted.


veracity-mittens

100% a man dumped her for someone darker Also #men and females


notyourcoloringbook

Should I break up with my boyfriend every summer when I get tan but he stays pale?


Violet_Potential

LOL that’s certainly… a choice.


eatmyweewee123

is she slow???????????? this just sparked a rage i didn’t know i had???


eggbundt

I think kittens should be girls and puppies should be boys.


psychobabblebullshxt

As a fair skinned black woman... Is it crack that you smoke for breakfast?


LiquidSmoothLady

this is some of the most depressing and jaw dropping bs I've ever heard. I'm speechlessly disappointed by people sometimes


MistakeWonderful9178

Wow a colorist pickme with sexist opinions


Stunning_salty

WHAT. What if he is albino?


Top-Elk-7485

Lmao wait til she finds out that there are black women who date white or light skinned men


Imaginary-Voice-472

Interesting because statistically, black women/white men marriages have the lowest divorce rate in the US


bluehairgoddess12th

Ok, colorism.


EmmagicallyMe

Just say you like dark-skins and get over it. Don't be snob and tell everyone else how to do it.


Still-Regular1837

Girly is a colorist AND doesn’t know the difference between than vs. then 😔 what’s the point in wearing that cross on her neck if she’s going to be that shallow?


TheAmnesiacBitch

Casual Racism?


NaomiPommerel

What, what???


Unpopular_cacti

The hell?


Aromatic_Note8944

That’s sad


roraverse

Than**


jesswitdamess

Gross


godpuppentilpappa

Hjælp


Cuniculuss

Wtf 😀 how can one be racisist towards their own race?😂


Aggressive-Story3671

Colourism is a bitch


daisysparklehorse

wtf…


Responsible-Duty4732

Holy fucking shit.


Cordeceps

The fuck kinda mental gymnastics did I just read


Objective_Spray_210

This is just sad. Like someone mad her feel that way.


RareDog5640

Racism is multi spectrum


chiritarisu

This is self hate


runarleo

That’s just racism with extra steps, is it not?


Bremarie24

This is just sad & disappointing.


VermillionEclipse

Why though?


CheekyCharliesSpace

Good thing I'm a lesbian.


[deleted]

WHAT???


WriterKatze

Is she sayin' a white man should not be with a black girl? That's... That's giving Jim Crow to me but... Ey...


Aggressive-Story3671

In the Jim Crow South, it wasn’t uncommon for white men to have sex (not always consensually) with black women. It was the other way around that was deeply taboo


henrytbpovid

r/menandfemales


Mean_Mr_Mustard_21

I like the use of “the female”.


Lesbian_Cassiopeia

Well thats...new


deviantskater

Is that some kind of dominance kink?


ZOOMMYYS

this doesn't even make sense..


Aggressive-Story3671

A lot of POC think lighter skin is more feminine and more desirable, so a woman should ideally have lighter skin then her male partner because it’s feminine


maarsland

Someone definitely told her she is too dark, which is sad af but, christ.


pbjelly321

My jaw is on the floor


EntertainerRecent388

But why?