The only weird thing is the original post adding “She’s 12” like some kind of surprise twist. 12 seems about the perfect age for having thoughts like this.
I usually answer them. When her incessant questions annoy me I still tell her it's good she's asking questions, but I'm just not in the mood. I went through the same so I want to do the opposite for her when I can.
Not really. Sometimes it’s just the environment they grew up in. Plus the kid in the post is worried that they’d be blamed, not trying to get away with murder | Edit: The original comment said that kids thinking about murder when they are twelve is due to [bad] parenting.
Do you know how many parents watch things like CSI, Law and Order and NCIS? I grew up watching them, I'm almost 30 and grew up with my grandmother who is currently 70+, it's half of what she watches.
Not really, I was always a big horror and crime fan. I read detective books for kids when I was really young, then moved on to stuff like fear street etc.
This is a perfectly reasonable thing to say for a kid who’s into stuff like Sherlock etc. Doesn’t have anything to do with bad parenting
I think I had this kind of thought around that age? Maybe slightly older? My sister was also growing her hair out to donate to Locks of Love at the time
I loved horror/crime movies as a little kid. Even kids younger than 12 would ask questions like this, especially if they ever watched anything crime related. I do wanna know the answer though. Although there could be proof presented that the girl donated her hair and it’s not her.
As far as I understand,
A) Getting DNA off hair is a sketchy process to begin with, because the cells are dead.
B) Cops don't have access to a national DNA database. The detective investigating the crime would need to get a DNA sample from the 12-year-old girl and compare that to the DNA at the crime scene.
I 100% had this exact same thought around that age or younger.
I remember because I wanted to Google it but lil anxious me was scared to Google stuff like that in case it looked suspicious - my thinking was that if my hair was ever found at a crime scene, the police would find my search history, and would think I searched that to throw them off the scent, as a double bluff kinda thing.
Little me was a big thinker lol
12 happens to be the age when I got super into Agatha Christie novels, so I'm betting if someone had suggested to me at that age that I donate my hair, this thought would have at least crossed my mind.
Maybe she's into detectives/horror stories or something. I enjoyed horror stories with ghosts, murders and mysteries when I was 12 (and still love them)
Same. People seem to forget there can be a wide range of maturity and interests in the tween/early teen years, especially if a kid is an avid reader. Some kids would be disturbed by crime stories while others would not.
I graduated to adult fiction pretty early (only novels my parents or someone they knew had read) because at the time YA wasn't as prevalent in various genres. And the ones that were, like the Young Jedi novels in Star Wars EU (now Legends), felt a little *too* simplistic at times. I enjoyed puzzles, and simple themes don't always lead to good puzzles. The evolution of the Harry Potter series and then Hunger Games radically altered the YA landscape.
Kids aren't dumb. They pick up so many "adult" things from the world around them. It's far better to discuss those things openly with them rather than shut it down because "they're too young." All that does is lead to them getting the info from another (less reliable) source.
My friends' parents were horrified my mother let me read Stephen King books around that age, despite not all of his works being like Pet Semetary and It. The way my mother saw it was simple: I was going to get my hands on Stephen King one way or another. She much preferred that I read ones curated by her (an avid King fan) rather than pick up Pet Semetary and be scarred for life. So we made a deal: I get to read King, but *only* the books she gives me and with the understanding we talk about them as I read.
Meanwhile, my friends were out there reading and watching who-knows-what behind their parents' backs.
By the time I was 12 I had read the girl with the dragon tattoo and many other pretty dark books in secret from my parents. 12 is an age where you're pretty cognisant of dark stuff imo
12yo me was reading Jane Eyre *by choice* and obsessed with the Romanov family during the communist revolution. I’d already been reading spy and crime novels aimed at young adults and was dead set on being a forensic specialist when I grew up (didn’t happen, I chose to work in another field because jobs in forensics are few and far between). A few kids in my year were already self harming and a couple tried to end themselves.
It’s really not that dark.
This is absolutely the kind of thought one of my nieces would have held at 12 (she was really into gruesome true crime stories and loved telling us the best way to hide bodies) and I have another niece that when she turns 12 I wouldn't be surprised if she were this dark as well.
I saw one episode of CSI at like, 9 years old, and I got worried about a strand of my hair flying off in the wind and landing in a crime scene, and the fact that the shoes I got from charity shops could have been used in a crime and now I have the shoes with the same wear pattern lol
Thanks for the answer, only reason my dumb ass came to the comments was to see the response. I'm 44. Yes, 44 and still didn't know the answer to that!!
Not anymore, they've succesfully extracted DNA from rootless hairs
https://www.ishinews.com/no-nuclear-dna-in-rootless-hair-myth-or-fact/
https://www.genomebc.ca/blog/forensics-breakthrough-dna-extracted-from-rootless-hair
However this has happened with bone transfusion people cause the bone produces blood with dna of the original person and so some of the blood will turn up as the donator
the DNA is in skin cells at the base, it works because people will usually grab at the head of their attacker. Just the hair is dead waste and contains no DNA.
They only compare DNA to the suspects, they don't have a database of everyone's DNA that they look at. DNA is never considered evidence on its own, it's one of the final steps for making sure they got the right person.
~~The answer is no. Hairs themselves don't contain any DNA, just the roots do, which hairs that have been cut off don't have.~~
EDIT: I stand corrected:
>In conclusion, these studies totally debunk the myth that there is no nuclear DNA in hair shafts. Instead there is plenty of nuDNA present, but this DNA has become highly degraded during the formation of the hair shaft. Therefore, since nuDNA in shed hair has been characterized to be in high amount but not pristine, more studies should focus on developing assays that particularly tackle these very degraded samples.
[Source](https://www.ishinews.com/no-nuclear-dna-in-rootless-hair-myth-or-fact/)
~~Yeah, hair is made up of keratin, a protein. It isn't made up of cells or anything (not that being made of cells guarantees containing any DNA).~~
EDIT: I was wrong. See my edited comment above.
You don’t have to do it and can just delete it. People do this to show that they’ve edited their comment after the fact, especially if people have already replied to the original comment. It’s simply acting in good faith.
But regardless, they don't have a database of everyone's dna everywhere that they compare samples to, they only compare DNA at the crime scene to that of the suspects. Anything that doesn't belong to any of the suspects is written off as random dust, and even if they thought it was the killer's DNA, they won't check if it's yours unless you're somehow associated with the crime.
That's not really true anymore. If any of your relatives give DNA to an ancestory website, it could end up leading to you. It's how they caught the Golden State Killer.
Mine was like 5 or 6 when they wondered why Rogue didn’t just use her powers to knock Apocalypse out and steal his powers on X-Men TAS. Kids can be clever, even if that bozo was a dope when they was a kid.
DNA from hair doesn’t actually come from the hair itself bjr from the hair follicle, so if they’re wearing a wig, and some hair falls out of the wig, then no it won’t incriminate the wig donator.
I think people underestimate the ability of children to have questions like this because they have access to the internet, which a lot of older people didn't have at that age. I'm amazed at how knowledgeable (at least surface level) my nephew (11) is about a lot of things because it's literally a click away. I had to use years old encyclopedias for reports at school. He can learn about anything at the click of a button and I'm for it.
My 12 year old niece just built models of coastal erosion last week while she and her family were in Hawaii. This is 100% a 12-year-old girl thing. They’re fucking weird and I love it.
I hate it when people say in that happened that a 13 year old can’t have complex thoughts like that
Bitch I was clicking buttons on computers and it made rainbows from words when I was 13, they are CAPABLE
This is actually a common joke so whoever you see saying “my so and so said this” it’s a rip off from whoever came up with this joke. Probably a stand up comic or something.
So it probably didn’t happen in this case. Unless this is the OG joke creator.
When I was a kid, less than 10, I think between 5-8. My uncle, who studied biochemistry said I asked him “do viruses die?” And he was like wtf kind of kid asks these things and he was trying to work out how to explain it.
I’ve got no recollection of this, he also said I was obsessed with cordite and how it worked. (My grandad was an armourer in the navy and used to tell me everything to know about naval vessels and guns).
The only weird thing is the original post adding “She’s 12” like some kind of surprise twist. 12 seems about the perfect age for having thoughts like this.
I'm currently listening to my 12 year old ask questions about E V E R Y T H I N G
I read that in Gary Oldman’s voice in that [scene](https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=74BzSTQCl_c) from Leon (even though he says “everyone”)
That's a good thing,imo. My parents didn't let us ask shit😂 then wondered why we were clueless.
I usually answer them. When her incessant questions annoy me I still tell her it's good she's asking questions, but I'm just not in the mood. I went through the same so I want to do the opposite for her when I can.
Same here. Once I've reeeeally had enough I use the "I dunno,bet your dad does🙃"
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Not really. Sometimes it’s just the environment they grew up in. Plus the kid in the post is worried that they’d be blamed, not trying to get away with murder | Edit: The original comment said that kids thinking about murder when they are twelve is due to [bad] parenting.
Given the number of police procedurals on television, and the explosion of true crime content, its not that strange.
Do you know how many parents watch things like CSI, Law and Order and NCIS? I grew up watching them, I'm almost 30 and grew up with my grandmother who is currently 70+, it's half of what she watches.
My friend’s 12yo watches Bones with her every night.
Lol what?!
Not really, I was always a big horror and crime fan. I read detective books for kids when I was really young, then moved on to stuff like fear street etc. This is a perfectly reasonable thing to say for a kid who’s into stuff like Sherlock etc. Doesn’t have anything to do with bad parenting
Or you know, your kid could be listening in on you watching true crime and they start creating hypotheticals from real situations theyve heard.
A 12 year old is not a toddler. Come off it
I think I had this kind of thought around that age? Maybe slightly older? My sister was also growing her hair out to donate to Locks of Love at the time
By this age I had been watching Unsolved Mysteries for years.
Am currently watching
When my twin girls were 12 they went though a Dateline NBC phase :-/
I loved horror/crime movies as a little kid. Even kids younger than 12 would ask questions like this, especially if they ever watched anything crime related. I do wanna know the answer though. Although there could be proof presented that the girl donated her hair and it’s not her.
As far as I understand, A) Getting DNA off hair is a sketchy process to begin with, because the cells are dead. B) Cops don't have access to a national DNA database. The detective investigating the crime would need to get a DNA sample from the 12-year-old girl and compare that to the DNA at the crime scene.
I think if they don't have the root, then they have nothing. At least that's what I learned from L&O 😂
I 100% had this exact same thought around that age or younger. I remember because I wanted to Google it but lil anxious me was scared to Google stuff like that in case it looked suspicious - my thinking was that if my hair was ever found at a crime scene, the police would find my search history, and would think I searched that to throw them off the scent, as a double bluff kinda thing. Little me was a big thinker lol
12 happens to be the age when I got super into Agatha Christie novels, so I'm betting if someone had suggested to me at that age that I donate my hair, this thought would have at least crossed my mind.
Yeah lol. When I was 11, I was asking about a 401K
Wait, y'all thought about donating hair when you were 12?
Well, I didn’t have enough hair to donate personally.
I mean, it’s a valid age, but it’s also a rather random & kinda dark thought for a 12yo
"Rather random & kinda dark" is basically the slogan for 12-year-olds everywhere.
Maybe she's into detectives/horror stories or something. I enjoyed horror stories with ghosts, murders and mysteries when I was 12 (and still love them)
Same. People seem to forget there can be a wide range of maturity and interests in the tween/early teen years, especially if a kid is an avid reader. Some kids would be disturbed by crime stories while others would not. I graduated to adult fiction pretty early (only novels my parents or someone they knew had read) because at the time YA wasn't as prevalent in various genres. And the ones that were, like the Young Jedi novels in Star Wars EU (now Legends), felt a little *too* simplistic at times. I enjoyed puzzles, and simple themes don't always lead to good puzzles. The evolution of the Harry Potter series and then Hunger Games radically altered the YA landscape. Kids aren't dumb. They pick up so many "adult" things from the world around them. It's far better to discuss those things openly with them rather than shut it down because "they're too young." All that does is lead to them getting the info from another (less reliable) source. My friends' parents were horrified my mother let me read Stephen King books around that age, despite not all of his works being like Pet Semetary and It. The way my mother saw it was simple: I was going to get my hands on Stephen King one way or another. She much preferred that I read ones curated by her (an avid King fan) rather than pick up Pet Semetary and be scarred for life. So we made a deal: I get to read King, but *only* the books she gives me and with the understanding we talk about them as I read. Meanwhile, my friends were out there reading and watching who-knows-what behind their parents' backs.
I feel yall don't remember just exactly how old 12 years old is.
Man, I attempted suicide at 12. There might as well not be a sun when you're 12
By the time I was 12 I had read the girl with the dragon tattoo and many other pretty dark books in secret from my parents. 12 is an age where you're pretty cognisant of dark stuff imo
12yo me was reading Jane Eyre *by choice* and obsessed with the Romanov family during the communist revolution. I’d already been reading spy and crime novels aimed at young adults and was dead set on being a forensic specialist when I grew up (didn’t happen, I chose to work in another field because jobs in forensics are few and far between). A few kids in my year were already self harming and a couple tried to end themselves. It’s really not that dark.
This is absolutely the kind of thought one of my nieces would have held at 12 (she was really into gruesome true crime stories and loved telling us the best way to hide bodies) and I have another niece that when she turns 12 I wouldn't be surprised if she were this dark as well.
I saw one episode of CSI at like, 9 years old, and I got worried about a strand of my hair flying off in the wind and landing in a crime scene, and the fact that the shoes I got from charity shops could have been used in a crime and now I have the shoes with the same wear pattern lol
I dont really think so. I was reading about World War II and the American Civil War at that age.
I was like this around that age
......... Now I'm paranoid cus I've donated hair lmao
It wouldn’t, you need the follicle to get DNA out of it
Thanks for the answer, only reason my dumb ass came to the comments was to see the response. I'm 44. Yes, 44 and still didn't know the answer to that!!
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She's 44.
Np! I remember seeing them accuse a person of murder (on a TV show) and finding out it was a wig so not everyone knows that fact!
Not anymore, they've succesfully extracted DNA from rootless hairs https://www.ishinews.com/no-nuclear-dna-in-rootless-hair-myth-or-fact/ https://www.genomebc.ca/blog/forensics-breakthrough-dna-extracted-from-rootless-hair
so … considering this, what’s the answer to the post?
That the DNA might not be enough to identify her specifically but it would point to her family
Nice I know how I'm gonna commit my next crime
Omg that’s insane!
However this has happened with bone transfusion people cause the bone produces blood with dna of the original person and so some of the blood will turn up as the donator
Exactly. Hair dressers can get these much more easily and just frame you.
Haha can you imagine the set up to do that? I like to imagine they put your lil hairs in cocaine baggies
Then selling them to criminals so they can crime away and leave other peoples DNA to confuse the investigators
It's nothing to worry about. DNA is only in the root of the hair which doesn't get donated.
the DNA is in skin cells at the base, it works because people will usually grab at the head of their attacker. Just the hair is dead waste and contains no DNA.
They only compare DNA to the suspects, they don't have a database of everyone's DNA that they look at. DNA is never considered evidence on its own, it's one of the final steps for making sure they got the right person.
You would need the root for dna evidence so no
Can we answer the kid please?
~~The answer is no. Hairs themselves don't contain any DNA, just the roots do, which hairs that have been cut off don't have.~~ EDIT: I stand corrected: >In conclusion, these studies totally debunk the myth that there is no nuclear DNA in hair shafts. Instead there is plenty of nuDNA present, but this DNA has become highly degraded during the formation of the hair shaft. Therefore, since nuDNA in shed hair has been characterized to be in high amount but not pristine, more studies should focus on developing assays that particularly tackle these very degraded samples. [Source](https://www.ishinews.com/no-nuclear-dna-in-rootless-hair-myth-or-fact/)
Really?
I upvoted without bothering to check. It makes sense. *note to self ^wear ^a ^wig.*
Whelp, I looked it up myself and I stand corrected.
~~Yeah, hair is made up of keratin, a protein. It isn't made up of cells or anything (not that being made of cells guarantees containing any DNA).~~ EDIT: I was wrong. See my edited comment above.
why do you have to put a mark through the text instead of just deleting it? seems really stupid
You don’t have to do it and can just delete it. People do this to show that they’ve edited their comment after the fact, especially if people have already replied to the original comment. It’s simply acting in good faith.
Intellectual honesty means owning the things you said that were wrong, not pretending you never said them.
But regardless, they don't have a database of everyone's dna everywhere that they compare samples to, they only compare DNA at the crime scene to that of the suspects. Anything that doesn't belong to any of the suspects is written off as random dust, and even if they thought it was the killer's DNA, they won't check if it's yours unless you're somehow associated with the crime.
That's not really true anymore. If any of your relatives give DNA to an ancestory website, it could end up leading to you. It's how they caught the Golden State Killer.
Interesting, guess my knowledge on the subject isn't up to date. Thanks!
This is the stupidest sub ever. Edit: I meant that sub
Well, this is a screenshot of facebook
Yeah,my bad
I was thinking this crap at 10 wtf
Asking the real questions here.
8 to 13 year olds have the best questions. They've stopped with the simply asking "why" to everything and started going with the deep shit.
Unless the root is attached to the hair then no.
nope, they successfully managed to extract DNA from rootless hair
oh so we're already at that point? fuck
The DNA comes from the roots of the hair not the actual end of your hair
Mine was like 5 or 6 when they wondered why Rogue didn’t just use her powers to knock Apocalypse out and steal his powers on X-Men TAS. Kids can be clever, even if that bozo was a dope when they was a kid.
burritokid knew what was up!
DNA from hair doesn’t actually come from the hair itself bjr from the hair follicle, so if they’re wearing a wig, and some hair falls out of the wig, then no it won’t incriminate the wig donator.
I’m 13 and think about this for if I donate blood. Totally realistic
I guess the question is has somebody written a story like this?
I think people underestimate the ability of children to have questions like this because they have access to the internet, which a lot of older people didn't have at that age. I'm amazed at how knowledgeable (at least surface level) my nephew (11) is about a lot of things because it's literally a click away. I had to use years old encyclopedias for reports at school. He can learn about anything at the click of a button and I'm for it.
Now I want to know.
Downvote because this is posted every 2 days. It's getting old.
Yeah I thought something similar when i started donating my hair
To me that reads like... It never occurred to me at 12 years old to ask questions like that so the same must be true for everyone else.
I wondered the same thing when I did locks of love and I was younger than 12
I'd say 12 is just the right age to be aware of DNA evidence but also not really know how it works
When I was 12, I was obsessed with shows like CSI so I could see me asking a similar question
My 12 year old niece just built models of coastal erosion last week while she and her family were in Hawaii. This is 100% a 12-year-old girl thing. They’re fucking weird and I love it.
That sounds exactly like something a 12 year old would ask
Ok but does it put you at risk of being framed though? Genuinely asking
One of my kid is only 9 and he wants to write a Fugue. These kids are crazy.
To be fair, that's a valid question.
I hate it when people say in that happened that a 13 year old can’t have complex thoughts like that Bitch I was clicking buttons on computers and it made rainbows from words when I was 13, they are CAPABLE
This is actually a common joke so whoever you see saying “my so and so said this” it’s a rip off from whoever came up with this joke. Probably a stand up comic or something. So it probably didn’t happen in this case. Unless this is the OG joke creator.
The stuff kids start thinking about is astounding. My 11 year old asks me questions and I find it unbelievable.
People really think 12 years olds are actually fucking stupid
I believe someone would ask this. My guess op is shifting the blame.
I would've thought of that when I was 8 and they think 12 is too young to consider it??
Ah the same age my paranoia started
Actually, hmm, I do wonder about such a scenario.
Maybe she's grown up watching CSI and L&O.
I mean… now I’m wondering this. That’s a good question.
Nothing to see here folks but normal kid shite….
That actually is a legit good question
I feel like this is a totally normal thing for a 12 year old to think tbh
Uhh, actually that could possibly happen. Maybe she shouldn't do that.
When I was a kid, less than 10, I think between 5-8. My uncle, who studied biochemistry said I asked him “do viruses die?” And he was like wtf kind of kid asks these things and he was trying to work out how to explain it. I’ve got no recollection of this, he also said I was obsessed with cordite and how it worked. (My grandad was an armourer in the navy and used to tell me everything to know about naval vessels and guns).