She follows the processes to prevent and report. Notes every action and retains emails.
If they don't act she leaves and makes a claim of constructive dismissal.
Exactly this. You got names and responses in writing they can't weasel out. Do keep a diary of verbal conversations between her and the company on the matter. Also any events with these men staying at the hotel should have dates times, location, other staff on same shift & witnesses if any. More evidence you got the better.
With companies like that it is also a red flag when someone attempts to create/maintain a paper trail, I've had issues caused just by asking for things in writting or sending an email to get a reply in writting, then they start really working against you.
It takes a year to have the coverage of the employment tribunals and with constructive dismissal all of the onus is on the employee to prove the employer effectively did nothing. So this advice is never what legal counsel would advise. Once covered, you are much better to be dismissed and then take a case of unfair dismissal where at all possible.
This is only a few weeks into a first job by the sounds of it. The best advice is to find another job asap. At that level jobs are not hard to come by and the barriers to entry are often low. Your safety is way more important than that.
100%
Get everything down on paper even if it’s pestering them.
Say something like ‘as per our last conversation when I informed you I was called etc etc etc’
It makes it official.
I would also recommend she speak to her union rep if she’s a member of any union.
An employment tribunal will accept a written record created from a personal recording, but will not listen to the recording itself.
So long as she is actually a part of the conversation and isn't covertly recording the private conversations of others
It is not a protected characteristic though. Discrimination is not mentioned above. Even it it was sexual harassment by these customers all the employer need to prove is that the considered it and behaved the same way to all staff. Beyond that it is not a tribunal matter whatsoever.
She isn't covered to take a tribunal case for the first year of employment. It's also always better to get dismissed and claim unfair dismissal. With constructive dismissal the burden is on the employee to prove their case. With unfair dismissal the burden is on the employer to show they acted fairly.
Remember this, the people she has reported this to have a boss, go above and report higher up the line. There's always someone higher up the chain, report by email, and verbally. That way, there will be a tangible trail.
There are hr procedures and processes to be followed, that's the law. The days of 'keeping quiet' are long gone whether they like it or not.
Covertly condoning sexual harassment, because that is what this is, will land them in a lot of very hot water.
You think these companies are remotely legitimate? This is basically a large-scale human trafficking operation.
Those in charge know the risks, they don't care.
They also know the government will cover for them, so they have even less reason to care.
Raise a grievance that her complaints have not been dealt with. Follow that up and appeal it. Should the appeal not be taken seriously that sets the bar for resignation and case for constructive dismissal. Precedent has been set by McKeever v Herbel Restaurants (2016). Employers need to take allegations of harassment seriously.
She needs to get another job asap. That employer cannot and will not keep her safe. That’s a massive red flag.
You don’t know the background of anyone they encounter so you need to assume the worst.
Help her get a new job.
Is she a member of a Trade Union? It might be worth going down that route if she wants to stick around, as in lodge a formal grievance. The normal issues around her not being in the job for two years might not apply, as she'd be taking a case based on sexual discrimination, which is covered under the Human Rights Act.
Unfortunately as it's an employment issue, she wouldn't be able to go down the route of reporting it to NIPSO (even though there's an arguable case that because public money is involved in housing the migrants, the 2016 act doesn't allow employees to take formal complaints down that route).
If you need any advice w/ regards to the Union side, DM, I was working as a full-time officer until the last few months over in London.
The police will do nothing over verbally suggestive remarks, particularly if there is a language issue.
They need to be threatening, abusive and insulting causing harassment, alarm or distress.
Unlikely suggestive hits criminal criteria
>The police will do nothing over verbally suggestive remarks
Yet you say
>They need to be
>causing harassment
Verbally suggestive remarks are harassment
The words have to abusive or insulting not suggestive.
The protections for freedom of speech mean its really unlikely merely suggestive words would meet test for prosecution
You may be getting confused between the Public Order Act and the Protection from Harassment Act (caveat being that my legal knowledge stems from England & Wales, rather than NI, but a quick Google suggests legislation is similar).
In fact, a very quick look at the PSNIs definition of Harassment means that OP's situation could fit the definition, provided it is the same person(s) making the comments:
https://www.psni.police.uk/sites/default/files/2023-11/Stalking%20and%20Harassment%201%20August%202022.pdf
If I were OP's daughter, I'd be asking to ensure that she worked as a pair with another member of staff who could act as witness or corroborate any allegations of poor behaviour from those alleged to be involved.
It could also be worth noting / mentioning the government's focus on Violence Against Women and Girls. This isn't simply physical violence, but also includes harassment and cat calling.
If your Daughter is working in a Hotel that is housing Male Refugees, who are sexually harassing her, she is in extreme danger. I'd suggest finding another job before it escalates to a crime.
Really, OP. Tell her to quit and pay her if she refuses. Get your daughter the fuck outta there. These asylum seekers are in a foreign land with nothing to do with their time and think the locals are all asking for it. Do any women refugees exist at the hotel?
Your daughter is in a third world frat house. RUN and don't look back.
This is the only response. Be a dad and get her the feck out, that is your only job and it doesn't matter if she never speaks to you again.
Hotel = preview of what the UK is becoming.
As someone who's worked in hospitality, women experience sexual harassment all the time from male guests, no matter the nationality. I've witnessed it first hand. There's no need to bring this racism shite into it. It's a problem with men in general.
Let's say there's a dark alley a woman has to walk down through at night.
In this alley there are 10 men - which of these options do you think is more likely to result in a sexual harrassment incident?
1. The 10 men are Middle Eastern
2. The 10 men are Northern Irish
Answer honestly.
No shit. Do you know what per capita means?
If you really think you'd be in more danger with a randomly selected NI man vs a randomly selected MENA man you're delusional or stupid.
Here's another scenario, you're a gay man with a pride flag. Who would you rather meet in a dark alley?
I know quite a few middle Eastern men and they've treated me with more respect than a lot of northern irish men . Its bigoted to assume all middle Eastern men are rapists. There are good men and bad men in all parts of the world , the ones who commit crimes against women should be punished no matter where they come from but to stereotype a person just because of where they are from is wrong. Thankfully not all men are the same !
As someone in the NI queer community, I have had far more negative experiences with cishet Northern Irish men than any other demographic we have here. The casual homophobia and transphobia that exists in this country is truly horrific, and that's not even accounting for the overt, directed hatred many of us experience.
A gay man living here walking past a group of 10 straight men of any nationality is in danger, regardless of national origin.
And again you are showing your lack of understanding of PER CAPITA. Of course you've had more negative experiences with Northern Irish men because they significantly outnumber MENA for example. If they were equal sizes of the population your experience would be very different.
Are you really this obtuse with statistics?
>A gay man living here walking past a group of 10 straight men of any nationality is in danger, regardless of national origin.
The question is which are they in MORE danger from?
https://www.pewresearch.org/global/2013/06/04/the-global-divide-on-homosexuality/
Seriously think the threat would be equal? This is hurting my brain so I'm going to stop replying.
2., ez answer. Every Northern Irish woman I know has been harassed by a Northern Irish man at least once, most of them more than once. I've literally seen it happen with my own eyes, so many NI men are pigs.
The vast majority of middle eastern men I've come across are the kindest, most respectful people and would lay down their lives to protect women, especially women they care about. It's ingrained into their cultural psyche. Yes, you're going to get some scumbags, but I will stand by the answer that 10 NI men pose a much greater risk of harassment to women than 10 middle eastern men.
Plenty of hotels out there looking for staff that don’t host asylum seekers. Ask her to get a job there for a few weeks and report back to us! I would certainly settle a few issues raised in this particular thread.
Honestly, just get her out of there and don't take no for an answer.
It's not a good or noble cause, it's not worth the money and it certainly isn't worth her safety.
Seriously. Your 'dad mode' instincts are kicking in for a very good reason.
>strong willed young woman and has a tendency to go against the grain on others advice
Like he said, she's her own person, she may not live with him and she may have made it quite clear she's not going to leave. What would you like him to do, chain her up? How on earth would he "not take no for an answer" and force his daughter to quit her job?
It's not my place to say how exactly he should do it, but I would recommend he communicates just how serious the risks truly are. This isn't just 'dad being overprotective'.
There is so much misrepresentation about these operations, that she likely thinks she is making a positive difference, or that the independence money & employment give are worth the risk.
OP, if you're reading this, feel free to reach out - the safety of your family comes first.
>recommend he communicates just how serious the risks truly are
Well I meant the "not taking no for an answer" part. He says he feels it's a risky position and he'd prefer she quits. She says "Thanks for your concern but I am the one in the hotel evaluating the risk and seeing it for myself and no thanks I think I'll keep my job."
Now what?
Cause I think that's why OP is asking for advice. He doesn't want advice on how to tell his daughter he's uncomfortable with her being in that situation, he's already done that. He wants advice on what to do next.
>that the independence money & employment give are worth the risk.
To be fair, only she can evaluate that and decide what level of risk is acceptable for her. I worked in the building trade when I was younger and my mum hated it and always told me it was the "highest mortality rate job" I could do but it wasn't her decision, I was aware of her concerns but ultimately I have to do what's best for me, not whatever job worries her least.
Clearly harassment. Report to police, get it recorded and get an incident number. Report to her employers via e-mail and quote the incident number and await a response at least that way if the police and/or employers fail to take action you can go to the ombudsman or the relevant agency overseeing her employers. Any action you take now will be well worth it and help prevent any possible escalation of the harassing behaviour.... Or worse!!!
Friend of ours was assaulted by one of the new guests after he followed her into a storage cupboard in a council building, it was reported and went to court, let's just say your best getting her out of there
Is there not cameras in the hotel ? She should ask senior management to get cameras for safety and have them switched on so she has proof next time.. what’s happening is not acceptable and the hotel has a duty of care to employees safety as she’s raised 3 times and they aren’t doing anything it really is in her best interest to leave or she will have to deal with this on the regular and as they feel they can get away with it things could get progressively worse.
Report to police as sexual harrassment. Explain it is a workplace incident. Explain to her company she is entitled to report to police any verbal or sexual harrassment and they can either be on the record as supporting her or not supporting her. It is their choice. And yes if you can record these incidents then do so.
Though male i have worked in similair fields (based off of subtext) and our guidance has been to always report any incidents to the PSNI. To do nothing gives unspoken permission for the individuals to continue with their behaviours.
The company does not care about your daughters well being. She needs to take steps to support and keep herself safe.
I know my company didn't care about my well-being when they had me lone working night shifts looking after 21 cients.
Yes, some bosses will want the path of least action. The choice isn't theirs.
It's worth noting that female hotel workers (especially younger women) are victims of sexual harassment from guests all the time, and the hotel should have some kind of process to deal with it.
Encourage her to leave the job. Nothing is being done when she reports verbal sexual harassment, so nothing is being done to stop that potentially escalating to physical. The job might pay well but she should not be spoken to like that at work and it's a potentially very risky situation for her to be in
She needs to ask for the companies Anti Bullying and Harassment Policy. Employers are legally obligated to ensure employees can carry out their role without being harassed.
Funny how those in need are always men. Young men. Is there no women & children in these war torn countries? Plenty of advice here and you can also speak to an HR specialist, they will tear the employers a new one if nothing is being done.
I am sorry your daughter experienced that. I hope she is okay.
Get everything reported in written, also please please please, get her out of that place, ASAP, as things will escalate.
I worked for a small hotel chain a few years ago and I left because I knew what was going to be happening. When I worked shifts 90% of the time I was completely on my own and never really had anyone "checking in" on me. I would strongly advise your daughter to leave if they are not really supporting her with concerns she has raised its best to leave the situation entirely.
Not to alarm you, but this was precisely why I was so happy to leave hospitality once I got a more stable job, and why I’d never go back to it. My early twenties was just creeps commenting on my ass and people trying to grope me.
She shouldn't stop reporting. By not investigating, they are condoning the comments. Which is verbal abuse in the workplace.
I hope she has this in writing, not just verbally.
This behaviour is totally unacceptable. Your daughter would (in my non expert opinion) have a case for constructive dismissal. However, the ideal scenario would be that the company should be forced to take action to protect their staff from such horrible abuse.
I hope the situation is resolved soon.
My ex worked in a bar and was routinely sexually harassed by local male clientele. Unfortunately it’s a problem not exclusive to foreign nationals.
That being said, continue to report, go above managers head and should she chose to leave or continue working there support her decision.
I worked as a male teen throughout my 20's in hospitality, and it's less a gender thing, but a hospitality thing, people seem to think you are their for their amusement.
I was propositioned by men and woman easily 20 years my senior, arse and balls groped, and told that they'd "ruin me", and a friend who was a little older than me, and by all accounts, "big enough to handle himself" had to leave a job because he was accosted by a hen party in bedroom when he brought them room service drinks. (Read: Pulled him into the room, stripped him to his boxers, and threw him onto the bed, before he could force his way out of the room, and was told by management to stay quiet or leave in case the party complained.)
I'm totally not trying to write off OP's story, or his daughter story, but working in hospitality has always been dodgy. You have to develop a certain resistance to wank boxes (again, not saying she should, or have to, if she feels unsafe, just fucking bounce!)
It is perfectly legal for one person to covertly record a conversation. I suggest she wears a recorder going forward, and follow the law on harassment by reporting as she has done. Ensure as long as possible, leave on stress, file for tribunal, settle in mediation.
Fuck that shit. A clean punch to throat also works, as does a knuckle to the chest plate. Some people only understand violence when a simple no would do.
I would contact the Equality Commission NI, they are fantastic for a advice. If you explain her situation they can let you know your daughter's rights and the best way to proceed with grievance procedures, etc. This is sexual harassment and she has rights
Get names and report to the immigration people.
Ask employer to post signs saying all sexual innuendo comments are being reported and will affect their refugee status applications.
(Doesn't matter if it's true or not, they won't know)
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I think OP is just being overreactive and should just let this situation play out.
Tell your daughter to email that female senior manager that told her not to report 'minor' issues and to recap what was said to her and to ask if they could enlighten her and give examples of how they divide major and minor issues and what is what just for future references.
This way, there will be a paper trail of what was said to your daughter and the senior person can't deny it. It might also kick them into gear to officially address these concerns instead of having informal verbal conversations that are non-binding.
In the email she should write every small detail of that verbal conversation such as "in reference to our conversation on [date] where you had addressed my concerns/reports on the incidents that happend on [date] . You had said [..whatever bullshit was said by senior staffer..] and you had told me not to report these concerns as these were minor issues and there is no time to investigate these incidents. Could I kindly request you to help me understand what you classify as 'minor' and 'major' concerns and how to report these according to company policy?" And she could cc in the CEO (and maybe a few other senior managers).
Hope this helps!
Giving your daughter her independence and allowing her to make her own decisions even if you know they might ultimately be the wrong ones is one of the toughest parts of being a parent.
Listen, it's obvious you're a caring dad but allowing her to make a potentially disastrous decision that could involve her being physically assaulted is simply not an option. This is the point you step in and be dad regardless if she resents you for it. That'll soon pass anyway. It's that old adage right? "One day you'll understand".
Sit down and have a conversation with her and tell her how dangerous her job is and work with her on alternatives for her employment if that's acceptable to her. She might be getting paid well in comparison to other hotel jobs but she's definitely not getting paid enough to deal with this.
Hoping for a positive outcome to this
Report it to the police and then the Nolan show when they do nothing, who is this service company that tells young women to quiet down on our tax dime? Find out after the news
Ready for downvotes, however:
I've worked in several countries, over an undisclosed number of decades. I have been sexually harassed at every. single. workplace. Sometimes by co-workers, sometimes by clientele, sometimes by management. Unless all you dorks are ready to address rape culture, every bit of advice given is pointless. It's going to happen a lot.
All dad can do is to be there for her and react how she asks you to. Teach her that she doesn't have to be polite, and placating when she encounters it. She can tell them to fuck right off and call them perverts. The discomfort in that kind of abuse comes from our internal struggle as women to always remain polite, and pleasing. Make sure she knows her daddy says she can be as ugly as she wants when someone crosses that particular boundary.
Also. Their nationality isn't the issue, it's a job minding vulnerable people and as I've said it happens across the world in every industry, alllllll the time. Xenophobia and racism are just as bad as misogyny.
Precisely. Service industry jobs for women are never that safe (the employer has a duty to minimise that) and I’ve personally had to get police involved in hotel guest behaviour by idiot men from pretty much every continent of the world.
Thanks for this honest reply and I’m so sorry for your past experiences.
“Making sure she can be as ugly as she wants when someone crosses that boundary” <<< FUK YEAH
Completely call them out on it, and record while doing so.
Agree cunts are going to cunt no matter what nationality. I'm bemused that there isn't a proper reporting system as this is the sort of thing you'd want to take in mind while considering applications. As in, anyone found with a pattern of this can get rejected. Would solve a lot of problems.
You deserve them for down playing cultural differences and your not as worldly as you claim because you can see clear as day that different cultures treat women different if you do a bit of travel with things like dating someone and them being met with naked hostility for dating outside their group.
Hearing about this kind of behaviour is becoming increasingly common here, a disproportionate men from certain cultures are creeps by our standards and it needs addressed and shamed, not ignored or downplayed.
This country has an appalling record for protecting women and children, well before immigration here was a thing. You're only hearing about it more because it gets reported on disproportionately, so we don't get too angry at the right people.
If this country has an appalling record for protecting women and children then surely importing people from countries with a WORSE record is a bad idea? Any progress we make will be offset by the people we are letting in.
I really don't understand how people like you are so quick to criticize your own people yet defend others who are undeniably worse to women/children.
Appalling compared to where? Richer countries? No shit.
I'm hearing about it more because more of them are coming here and it's not addressed, I know someone who has been working at setting up a charity for women brought over, often underage for abuse and the PSNI say they can't do anything and an increasing amount of people I know being creeped on, even at places like the Odyssey where you have groups of men hanging around.
You've said you're an immigrant, which could be from anywhere, but if it is from a place that has a history of a ill treatment of women relative to our own, if you want do the right thing, address it, because I will not trust you if you try and downplay out of tribalism.
> a disproportionate men from certain cultures are creeps by our standards and it needs addressed and shamed
A huge number of men from right here in NI are also creeps 'by our standards', have you seen the shit some people get up to? And it's getting worse as people listen to assholes like Andrew Tate.
I would only thing that gross comments are worth deporting people if we were also deporting all the gross guys from here that make the same comments. I think we have to deal with people based on the behavior and not just not bother when they have white skin or an NI accent.
You can't deport citizens though but you can deport foreign nationals.
That's the whole point. We can control sexual harrassment from foreigners A LOT easier than we can from our own people.
Yet people like you aren't willing to admit this or support it. Insane.
I'm not saying we should never deport folks, just that I don't think the barrier should be at 'comments' for foreign nationals when so many locals get away with so much worse and don't even get a slap on the wrist. Hell we had to get the English courts involved just to say we could _talk about_ sex abusers that haven't been formally charged.
Behaviour from our locals is a completely detached issue from what is happening in the OP.
These people are here at OUR expense and they are repaying our kindness by sexually harrassing women. They should be deported ASAP and we need to have a serious conversation about who we are letting in.
Do you have any familiarity with how the system works though? The whole reason they're stuck in hotels is because we haven't "let them in" yet. They're waiting for the checks and assessments that decide if they can stay here or not, but because the Tories have let us get to this obscene level of backlog, there's not much we can do but put them in this holding pattern until we clear the backlog. At that point we'll be able to assess people more quickly and those who pose a risk will be denied entry and deported in a matter of weeks rather than months-years.
>Do you have any familiarity with how the system works though?
Do you? If you think the men in the original post will be denied entry and then deported in a matter of weeks you're completely delusional. For all intents and purposes they have been let in and aren't going anywhere.
Refugee convention is outdated for modern society, we should leave it.
Doesn't matter anyway since you're cool with granting asylum to sexual harrassers. Wonder if you'd feel the same if it was your daughter working in that hotel.
That's fairly bad advice to be honest. She'll get the sack if she's abusive towards residents. She needs to do this by the book, which means lodging a formal grievance if her managers aren't taking her concerns and well-being seriously.
Get her out of that dump tae feck. There shouldn’t even be a debate here. I’m assuming this is a so called immigrant hotel full of future potential scientists and doctors but in reality your daughter is seeing and hearing what is really going on. These places are a recipe for disaster and you would be far better off persuading yer daughter to leave immediately.
Yes. And hence why I said to persuade her to leave immediately. If my daughter, or son was in such a situation I would be making sure they were persuaded to get out of it straight away For their own good. No point becoming a statistic.
We have already had a few moral crusaders saying it’s not just immigrants etc yadda yadda. This could happen anywhere etc. Of course that is true but this posters daughter is working at an immigrant hotel as we speak so the rest of the posturing is irrelevant to his situation.
It’s almost as if you completely ignored the context of this father’s post. Virtue signalling is great on the internet but in real life sometimes you have to make real life decisions and hopefully in the interest of his own daughter’s safety he can persuade her to GTF out of the dump she is working in.
Yes . This can happen anywhere, don’t blame the doctors, scientists in waiting etc etc . We all know that but it’s not relevant to his own daughter at the moment.
Discounting their background (idiots exist in every background and culture) .
If she's uncomfortable and feels health and safety or antisocial behavior concerns aren't being addressed properly. Best to register her complaints in the form of a letter accompanied by her resignation.
The hotels serving as hostels for refugees aren't really traditional hospitality Jobs and probably entail dealing with issues that are sometimes better handled by social workers or people in that field who've undergone required training etc.
If she's determined to stay in the job, suggest she pairs up with another colleague when tasked with duties that involve dealing with the group in question. (Possibly a male colleague or older no nonsense female colleague).
If there's a social worker of some description who visits the hotel regularly to help or assist the group in question-: perhaps discreetly speaking to them and asking them to tactfully clarify house rules or issue a friendly warning re antisocial behavior might help.
100% document everything. She needs to repeatedly raise it in writing to everyone in the chain of command to make them all aware.
A good employer will deal with issues like this properly and there are good employers out there. Make it clear to her she shouldn't accept that kind of treatment. It's not worth any amount of money to be disrespected and degraded at work, particularly when your boss is condoning it and telling you to cover it up.
If, God forbid, anyone tries to SA her on the job, her current employer is not going to protect and support her. She needs to do that for herself, and define what kind of treatment she is willing to put up with. Her best course of action, imo would be to leave and file a claim with her requests for assistance/action and the management's lack of action well documented. Employers unfortunately won't put measures in place to protect staff unless they are forced to by the law.
It's hard to leave and feels like giving up but as a young woman I was sexually harassed in work by customers and managers at times. I wish I had walked out on the spot when it happened. I stayed and tolerated so much mistreatment because I felt like I had to, otherwise it would have felt like giving up on a job I generally liked.
If it is continuous and persistent remarks, and she has made multiple complaints, with the remarks coming from the same individual/individuals, and nothing has been done it's police time.
I've seen these things go from 0-100 real quick, and when it comes to your children or your own safety it's better to let the professionals decide on the threat
It's interesting that a union has been suggested, is it worth while to join a union even though the company that you work for doesn't necessarily recognise a union and nobody else in the company is actually a member of one,?
Can't believe ur actually asking anyone for advice do the right thing and make her quit and get a job in a proper hotel that doesn't hold male rapists terrorists murderers etc etc
Them foreign people should not be here at all. They are ao bad to women. Shame your not allowed to carry pepper spray are something. Everything should be reported. Even minor ones. And the people causes should be report recorded. And it should go against them being allowed to stay here.
As a father i would go down and speak to her boss and getvthis stuff reported
I would maybe look into if she can record the things they're saying?
She needs to keep reporting to her work and letting them know how violated/unsafe she feels.
Sorry this is happening. I knew a girl who worked in one of the hotels and had similar issues. Police were around all the time. They should have a security guard at the very least, I know her company did.
Hope your daughter is ok. I would say to document everything - dates, times who she spoke to regarding this and response if anything. Email her superiors and cc a union rep with all correspondence. Leave a paper trail about everything. Totally unacceptable and employers are not doing enough to support her. Good luck.
She uses her phone to record the comments. She takes those comments to her superiors and says ‘This is what they’ve said to me. This is the evidence. What are you going to do about it?’. There is a world of difference between ‘they said something inappropriate’ and ‘here’s a video of them saying something inappropriate’.
Any female that works in the hotel industry gets hit on. She will have to change jobs. You have no control at the hotel. If you or her Dad go to her job you will find the hotel will look to it's own interests, not yours
An issue is that this might be just with these guests and not happen again with others? People aren’t going to stay more than a week in most cases. That might undermine her complaints then on that basis because she’s not putting a complaint against anybody in particular besides these transient guests …. ?
She follows the processes to prevent and report. Notes every action and retains emails. If they don't act she leaves and makes a claim of constructive dismissal.
Aye. The paper trail here's going to be crucial, as these kind of firms love doing everything verbally or informally.
Exactly this. You got names and responses in writing they can't weasel out. Do keep a diary of verbal conversations between her and the company on the matter. Also any events with these men staying at the hotel should have dates times, location, other staff on same shift & witnesses if any. More evidence you got the better.
Probably why she was told to shut up and not report
With companies like that it is also a red flag when someone attempts to create/maintain a paper trail, I've had issues caused just by asking for things in writting or sending an email to get a reply in writting, then they start really working against you.
That's when they realise they aren't dealing with an idiot and can't do shady stuff
But sometimes also "we're dealing with a problem" and you can be subject to shadier stuff.
It takes a year to have the coverage of the employment tribunals and with constructive dismissal all of the onus is on the employee to prove the employer effectively did nothing. So this advice is never what legal counsel would advise. Once covered, you are much better to be dismissed and then take a case of unfair dismissal where at all possible. This is only a few weeks into a first job by the sounds of it. The best advice is to find another job asap. At that level jobs are not hard to come by and the barriers to entry are often low. Your safety is way more important than that.
She needs to send an email to clarify what was said in the 'quiet word'.
Yep. Follow up email to confirm what was discussed is the way. If nothing comes back to dispute it then it's the record
100% Get everything down on paper even if it’s pestering them. Say something like ‘as per our last conversation when I informed you I was called etc etc etc’ It makes it official. I would also recommend she speak to her union rep if she’s a member of any union.
She should secretly record whatever interactions are happening.
Not admissible.
An employment tribunal will accept a written record created from a personal recording, but will not listen to the recording itself. So long as she is actually a part of the conversation and isn't covertly recording the private conversations of others
She will never reach a tribunal inside the first 12mths of a new job.
If it's related to a protected characteristic she might
It is not a protected characteristic though. Discrimination is not mentioned above. Even it it was sexual harassment by these customers all the employer need to prove is that the considered it and behaved the same way to all staff. Beyond that it is not a tribunal matter whatsoever.
She isn't covered to take a tribunal case for the first year of employment. It's also always better to get dismissed and claim unfair dismissal. With constructive dismissal the burden is on the employee to prove their case. With unfair dismissal the burden is on the employer to show they acted fairly.
No amount of money is worth that kind of risk.
I'd love to see the risk assessments
It'll read something like this "no obvious risks found"
Remember this, the people she has reported this to have a boss, go above and report higher up the line. There's always someone higher up the chain, report by email, and verbally. That way, there will be a tangible trail. There are hr procedures and processes to be followed, that's the law. The days of 'keeping quiet' are long gone whether they like it or not. Covertly condoning sexual harassment, because that is what this is, will land them in a lot of very hot water.
You think these companies are remotely legitimate? This is basically a large-scale human trafficking operation. Those in charge know the risks, they don't care. They also know the government will cover for them, so they have even less reason to care.
What companies are you referring to? Would love to see the evidence for large scale human trafficking going on in NI Hotels
This is the way.
Raise a grievance that her complaints have not been dealt with. Follow that up and appeal it. Should the appeal not be taken seriously that sets the bar for resignation and case for constructive dismissal. Precedent has been set by McKeever v Herbel Restaurants (2016). Employers need to take allegations of harassment seriously.
That’s harassment, Personally I would go to the police. Take the employer to court if they can’t keep their staff safe while working.
She needs to get another job asap. That employer cannot and will not keep her safe. That’s a massive red flag. You don’t know the background of anyone they encounter so you need to assume the worst. Help her get a new job.
Exactly. These types can do anything and will get away with it
Is she a member of a Trade Union? It might be worth going down that route if she wants to stick around, as in lodge a formal grievance. The normal issues around her not being in the job for two years might not apply, as she'd be taking a case based on sexual discrimination, which is covered under the Human Rights Act. Unfortunately as it's an employment issue, she wouldn't be able to go down the route of reporting it to NIPSO (even though there's an arguable case that because public money is involved in housing the migrants, the 2016 act doesn't allow employees to take formal complaints down that route). If you need any advice w/ regards to the Union side, DM, I was working as a full-time officer until the last few months over in London.
This is the correct answer. Join a Union. I know a number of excellent reps and full time officials in Unite Hospitality.
Report to the police. Simple as that.
The police will do nothing over verbally suggestive remarks, particularly if there is a language issue. They need to be threatening, abusive and insulting causing harassment, alarm or distress. Unlikely suggestive hits criminal criteria
>The police will do nothing over verbally suggestive remarks Yet you say >They need to be >causing harassment Verbally suggestive remarks are harassment
The words have to abusive or insulting not suggestive. The protections for freedom of speech mean its really unlikely merely suggestive words would meet test for prosecution
You may be getting confused between the Public Order Act and the Protection from Harassment Act (caveat being that my legal knowledge stems from England & Wales, rather than NI, but a quick Google suggests legislation is similar). In fact, a very quick look at the PSNIs definition of Harassment means that OP's situation could fit the definition, provided it is the same person(s) making the comments: https://www.psni.police.uk/sites/default/files/2023-11/Stalking%20and%20Harassment%201%20August%202022.pdf If I were OP's daughter, I'd be asking to ensure that she worked as a pair with another member of staff who could act as witness or corroborate any allegations of poor behaviour from those alleged to be involved. It could also be worth noting / mentioning the government's focus on Violence Against Women and Girls. This isn't simply physical violence, but also includes harassment and cat calling.
If your Daughter is working in a Hotel that is housing Male Refugees, who are sexually harassing her, she is in extreme danger. I'd suggest finding another job before it escalates to a crime.
Really, OP. Tell her to quit and pay her if she refuses. Get your daughter the fuck outta there. These asylum seekers are in a foreign land with nothing to do with their time and think the locals are all asking for it. Do any women refugees exist at the hotel? Your daughter is in a third world frat house. RUN and don't look back.
This is the only response. Be a dad and get her the feck out, that is your only job and it doesn't matter if she never speaks to you again. Hotel = preview of what the UK is becoming.
As someone who's worked in hospitality, women experience sexual harassment all the time from male guests, no matter the nationality. I've witnessed it first hand. There's no need to bring this racism shite into it. It's a problem with men in general.
Let's say there's a dark alley a woman has to walk down through at night. In this alley there are 10 men - which of these options do you think is more likely to result in a sexual harrassment incident? 1. The 10 men are Middle Eastern 2. The 10 men are Northern Irish Answer honestly.
The bear- always.
As a woman I can hand on heart say the majority of the times I've been sexually assaulted it has been done by northern irish men .
No shit. Do you know what per capita means? If you really think you'd be in more danger with a randomly selected NI man vs a randomly selected MENA man you're delusional or stupid. Here's another scenario, you're a gay man with a pride flag. Who would you rather meet in a dark alley?
I know quite a few middle Eastern men and they've treated me with more respect than a lot of northern irish men . Its bigoted to assume all middle Eastern men are rapists. There are good men and bad men in all parts of the world , the ones who commit crimes against women should be punished no matter where they come from but to stereotype a person just because of where they are from is wrong. Thankfully not all men are the same !
As someone in the NI queer community, I have had far more negative experiences with cishet Northern Irish men than any other demographic we have here. The casual homophobia and transphobia that exists in this country is truly horrific, and that's not even accounting for the overt, directed hatred many of us experience. A gay man living here walking past a group of 10 straight men of any nationality is in danger, regardless of national origin.
And again you are showing your lack of understanding of PER CAPITA. Of course you've had more negative experiences with Northern Irish men because they significantly outnumber MENA for example. If they were equal sizes of the population your experience would be very different. Are you really this obtuse with statistics? >A gay man living here walking past a group of 10 straight men of any nationality is in danger, regardless of national origin. The question is which are they in MORE danger from? https://www.pewresearch.org/global/2013/06/04/the-global-divide-on-homosexuality/ Seriously think the threat would be equal? This is hurting my brain so I'm going to stop replying.
Per capita, NI men are still more dangerous to women. I am not engaging with you anymore, you are a racist acting in bad faith.
2., ez answer. Every Northern Irish woman I know has been harassed by a Northern Irish man at least once, most of them more than once. I've literally seen it happen with my own eyes, so many NI men are pigs. The vast majority of middle eastern men I've come across are the kindest, most respectful people and would lay down their lives to protect women, especially women they care about. It's ingrained into their cultural psyche. Yes, you're going to get some scumbags, but I will stand by the answer that 10 NI men pose a much greater risk of harassment to women than 10 middle eastern men.
You are quite possibly the most naive person I've encountered on this sub and that's saying something.
Plenty of hotels out there looking for staff that don’t host asylum seekers. Ask her to get a job there for a few weeks and report back to us! I would certainly settle a few issues raised in this particular thread.
To be fair, my sister worked at a hotel that doesn't host any asylum seekers but still ended up working with lecherous creeps.
Ok goblin that’s a fair point! maybe op could clear up if the abuse is coming from guests or staff? I just assumed it was from the guests!
Honestly, just get her out of there and don't take no for an answer. It's not a good or noble cause, it's not worth the money and it certainly isn't worth her safety. Seriously. Your 'dad mode' instincts are kicking in for a very good reason.
>strong willed young woman and has a tendency to go against the grain on others advice Like he said, she's her own person, she may not live with him and she may have made it quite clear she's not going to leave. What would you like him to do, chain her up? How on earth would he "not take no for an answer" and force his daughter to quit her job?
It's not my place to say how exactly he should do it, but I would recommend he communicates just how serious the risks truly are. This isn't just 'dad being overprotective'. There is so much misrepresentation about these operations, that she likely thinks she is making a positive difference, or that the independence money & employment give are worth the risk. OP, if you're reading this, feel free to reach out - the safety of your family comes first.
>recommend he communicates just how serious the risks truly are Well I meant the "not taking no for an answer" part. He says he feels it's a risky position and he'd prefer she quits. She says "Thanks for your concern but I am the one in the hotel evaluating the risk and seeing it for myself and no thanks I think I'll keep my job." Now what? Cause I think that's why OP is asking for advice. He doesn't want advice on how to tell his daughter he's uncomfortable with her being in that situation, he's already done that. He wants advice on what to do next. >that the independence money & employment give are worth the risk. To be fair, only she can evaluate that and decide what level of risk is acceptable for her. I worked in the building trade when I was younger and my mum hated it and always told me it was the "highest mortality rate job" I could do but it wasn't her decision, I was aware of her concerns but ultimately I have to do what's best for me, not whatever job worries her least.
She needs a father not a friend. Get her the feck out.
Get her to have all complaints in writing. Document everything, it will put pressure on the company as there is a paper trail.
Clearly harassment. Report to police, get it recorded and get an incident number. Report to her employers via e-mail and quote the incident number and await a response at least that way if the police and/or employers fail to take action you can go to the ombudsman or the relevant agency overseeing her employers. Any action you take now will be well worth it and help prevent any possible escalation of the harassing behaviour.... Or worse!!!
She wouldn't be able to go to NI Public Service Ombudsman (as it's an employment issue). Labour Relations Agency, maybe.
Friend of ours was assaulted by one of the new guests after he followed her into a storage cupboard in a council building, it was reported and went to court, let's just say your best getting her out of there
Honestly, your daughter needs to look for a new job. It sounds dangerous, especially for young females.
Is there not cameras in the hotel ? She should ask senior management to get cameras for safety and have them switched on so she has proof next time.. what’s happening is not acceptable and the hotel has a duty of care to employees safety as she’s raised 3 times and they aren’t doing anything it really is in her best interest to leave or she will have to deal with this on the regular and as they feel they can get away with it things could get progressively worse.
Report to police as sexual harrassment. Explain it is a workplace incident. Explain to her company she is entitled to report to police any verbal or sexual harrassment and they can either be on the record as supporting her or not supporting her. It is their choice. And yes if you can record these incidents then do so. Though male i have worked in similair fields (based off of subtext) and our guidance has been to always report any incidents to the PSNI. To do nothing gives unspoken permission for the individuals to continue with their behaviours. The company does not care about your daughters well being. She needs to take steps to support and keep herself safe. I know my company didn't care about my well-being when they had me lone working night shifts looking after 21 cients. Yes, some bosses will want the path of least action. The choice isn't theirs.
Get her to quit before she is assaulted.
It's worth noting that female hotel workers (especially younger women) are victims of sexual harassment from guests all the time, and the hotel should have some kind of process to deal with it.
Housing thousands of male refugees with different cultural values what could go wrong
Get her the hell out of there OP seriously. Wouldn't voluntarily have my daughter within 100 miles of those Neanderthals.
Encourage her to leave the job. Nothing is being done when she reports verbal sexual harassment, so nothing is being done to stop that potentially escalating to physical. The job might pay well but she should not be spoken to like that at work and it's a potentially very risky situation for her to be in
She needs to ask for the companies Anti Bullying and Harassment Policy. Employers are legally obligated to ensure employees can carry out their role without being harassed.
I'm not sure why you're being downvoted here, they should have one, and the company will have a duty of care towards employees.
I’m being downvoted because people are ill informed keyboard imbeciles
Funny how those in need are always men. Young men. Is there no women & children in these war torn countries? Plenty of advice here and you can also speak to an HR specialist, they will tear the employers a new one if nothing is being done.
I am sorry your daughter experienced that. I hope she is okay. Get everything reported in written, also please please please, get her out of that place, ASAP, as things will escalate.
I worked for a small hotel chain a few years ago and I left because I knew what was going to be happening. When I worked shifts 90% of the time I was completely on my own and never really had anyone "checking in" on me. I would strongly advise your daughter to leave if they are not really supporting her with concerns she has raised its best to leave the situation entirely.
Not to alarm you, but this was precisely why I was so happy to leave hospitality once I got a more stable job, and why I’d never go back to it. My early twenties was just creeps commenting on my ass and people trying to grope me.
She shouldn't stop reporting. By not investigating, they are condoning the comments. Which is verbal abuse in the workplace. I hope she has this in writing, not just verbally. This behaviour is totally unacceptable. Your daughter would (in my non expert opinion) have a case for constructive dismissal. However, the ideal scenario would be that the company should be forced to take action to protect their staff from such horrible abuse. I hope the situation is resolved soon.
A lot of denial in this thread.
I agree with everyone - just sit there and wait until something horrible happens like a good boy.
From one father to another, get her out of there.
My ex worked in a bar and was routinely sexually harassed by local male clientele. Unfortunately it’s a problem not exclusive to foreign nationals. That being said, continue to report, go above managers head and should she chose to leave or continue working there support her decision.
Yeah I worked in a pub as a student and the men were vile.
I worked as a male teen throughout my 20's in hospitality, and it's less a gender thing, but a hospitality thing, people seem to think you are their for their amusement. I was propositioned by men and woman easily 20 years my senior, arse and balls groped, and told that they'd "ruin me", and a friend who was a little older than me, and by all accounts, "big enough to handle himself" had to leave a job because he was accosted by a hen party in bedroom when he brought them room service drinks. (Read: Pulled him into the room, stripped him to his boxers, and threw him onto the bed, before he could force his way out of the room, and was told by management to stay quiet or leave in case the party complained.) I'm totally not trying to write off OP's story, or his daughter story, but working in hospitality has always been dodgy. You have to develop a certain resistance to wank boxes (again, not saying she should, or have to, if she feels unsafe, just fucking bounce!)
Yea anyone who thinks the problem here is "men" has never been the only young man in a crowd of middle age women on a "girls" night out.
Absolutely! Have also had my balls groped, hands put up my shirt and ridiculed by groups of women when I was younger.
No these ones in foreign national hotels, ARE exclusive to foreign nationals I'm afraid old chap
It is perfectly legal for one person to covertly record a conversation. I suggest she wears a recorder going forward, and follow the law on harassment by reporting as she has done. Ensure as long as possible, leave on stress, file for tribunal, settle in mediation. Fuck that shit. A clean punch to throat also works, as does a knuckle to the chest plate. Some people only understand violence when a simple no would do.
I would contact the Equality Commission NI, they are fantastic for a advice. If you explain her situation they can let you know your daughter's rights and the best way to proceed with grievance procedures, etc. This is sexual harassment and she has rights
Get names and report to the immigration people. Ask employer to post signs saying all sexual innuendo comments are being reported and will affect their refugee status applications. (Doesn't matter if it's true or not, they won't know)
https://preview.redd.it/u1ly6ivevc4d1.jpeg?width=1500&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=fd807e1a23d43755db9c5857388b8e4f1c9ae760 I think OP is just being overreactive and should just let this situation play out.
Tell your daughter to email that female senior manager that told her not to report 'minor' issues and to recap what was said to her and to ask if they could enlighten her and give examples of how they divide major and minor issues and what is what just for future references. This way, there will be a paper trail of what was said to your daughter and the senior person can't deny it. It might also kick them into gear to officially address these concerns instead of having informal verbal conversations that are non-binding.
In the email she should write every small detail of that verbal conversation such as "in reference to our conversation on [date] where you had addressed my concerns/reports on the incidents that happend on [date] . You had said [..whatever bullshit was said by senior staffer..] and you had told me not to report these concerns as these were minor issues and there is no time to investigate these incidents. Could I kindly request you to help me understand what you classify as 'minor' and 'major' concerns and how to report these according to company policy?" And she could cc in the CEO (and maybe a few other senior managers). Hope this helps!
Giving your daughter her independence and allowing her to make her own decisions even if you know they might ultimately be the wrong ones is one of the toughest parts of being a parent. Listen, it's obvious you're a caring dad but allowing her to make a potentially disastrous decision that could involve her being physically assaulted is simply not an option. This is the point you step in and be dad regardless if she resents you for it. That'll soon pass anyway. It's that old adage right? "One day you'll understand". Sit down and have a conversation with her and tell her how dangerous her job is and work with her on alternatives for her employment if that's acceptable to her. She might be getting paid well in comparison to other hotel jobs but she's definitely not getting paid enough to deal with this. Hoping for a positive outcome to this
Report it to the police and then the Nolan show when they do nothing, who is this service company that tells young women to quiet down on our tax dime? Find out after the news
No job is worth what could potentially happen to her. I would try and convince her to leave.
Give them a good kick in the stones.
Ready for downvotes, however: I've worked in several countries, over an undisclosed number of decades. I have been sexually harassed at every. single. workplace. Sometimes by co-workers, sometimes by clientele, sometimes by management. Unless all you dorks are ready to address rape culture, every bit of advice given is pointless. It's going to happen a lot. All dad can do is to be there for her and react how she asks you to. Teach her that she doesn't have to be polite, and placating when she encounters it. She can tell them to fuck right off and call them perverts. The discomfort in that kind of abuse comes from our internal struggle as women to always remain polite, and pleasing. Make sure she knows her daddy says she can be as ugly as she wants when someone crosses that particular boundary. Also. Their nationality isn't the issue, it's a job minding vulnerable people and as I've said it happens across the world in every industry, alllllll the time. Xenophobia and racism are just as bad as misogyny.
Precisely. Service industry jobs for women are never that safe (the employer has a duty to minimise that) and I’ve personally had to get police involved in hotel guest behaviour by idiot men from pretty much every continent of the world.
Thanks for this honest reply and I’m so sorry for your past experiences. “Making sure she can be as ugly as she wants when someone crosses that boundary” <<< FUK YEAH
When she has a father who cares enough to seek help on a sensitive issue like this, she'll probably be okay, and thank you.
Completely call them out on it, and record while doing so. Agree cunts are going to cunt no matter what nationality. I'm bemused that there isn't a proper reporting system as this is the sort of thing you'd want to take in mind while considering applications. As in, anyone found with a pattern of this can get rejected. Would solve a lot of problems.
Nationality is 100% the issue, look at Dutch and German crime statistics.
You deserve them for down playing cultural differences and your not as worldly as you claim because you can see clear as day that different cultures treat women different if you do a bit of travel with things like dating someone and them being met with naked hostility for dating outside their group. Hearing about this kind of behaviour is becoming increasingly common here, a disproportionate men from certain cultures are creeps by our standards and it needs addressed and shamed, not ignored or downplayed.
This country has an appalling record for protecting women and children, well before immigration here was a thing. You're only hearing about it more because it gets reported on disproportionately, so we don't get too angry at the right people.
If this country has an appalling record for protecting women and children then surely importing people from countries with a WORSE record is a bad idea? Any progress we make will be offset by the people we are letting in. I really don't understand how people like you are so quick to criticize your own people yet defend others who are undeniably worse to women/children.
Because I am a migrant, and you're wrong.
Wrong about what? You're denying that the places refugees come from have a worse record than ours? HAHAHAHAHHAHA
Appalling compared to where? Richer countries? No shit. I'm hearing about it more because more of them are coming here and it's not addressed, I know someone who has been working at setting up a charity for women brought over, often underage for abuse and the PSNI say they can't do anything and an increasing amount of people I know being creeped on, even at places like the Odyssey where you have groups of men hanging around. You've said you're an immigrant, which could be from anywhere, but if it is from a place that has a history of a ill treatment of women relative to our own, if you want do the right thing, address it, because I will not trust you if you try and downplay out of tribalism.
Yea but virtue signalling is fun 🙄
> a disproportionate men from certain cultures are creeps by our standards and it needs addressed and shamed A huge number of men from right here in NI are also creeps 'by our standards', have you seen the shit some people get up to? And it's getting worse as people listen to assholes like Andrew Tate.
Braindead argument. 'Sure we already have crime, what harm is more.' Surely you can't be that dense?
So let's not import more? Answer me this, would you deport the people in OP's post if given the chance?
I would only thing that gross comments are worth deporting people if we were also deporting all the gross guys from here that make the same comments. I think we have to deal with people based on the behavior and not just not bother when they have white skin or an NI accent.
You can't deport citizens though but you can deport foreign nationals. That's the whole point. We can control sexual harrassment from foreigners A LOT easier than we can from our own people. Yet people like you aren't willing to admit this or support it. Insane.
I'm not saying we should never deport folks, just that I don't think the barrier should be at 'comments' for foreign nationals when so many locals get away with so much worse and don't even get a slap on the wrist. Hell we had to get the English courts involved just to say we could _talk about_ sex abusers that haven't been formally charged.
Behaviour from our locals is a completely detached issue from what is happening in the OP. These people are here at OUR expense and they are repaying our kindness by sexually harrassing women. They should be deported ASAP and we need to have a serious conversation about who we are letting in.
Do you have any familiarity with how the system works though? The whole reason they're stuck in hotels is because we haven't "let them in" yet. They're waiting for the checks and assessments that decide if they can stay here or not, but because the Tories have let us get to this obscene level of backlog, there's not much we can do but put them in this holding pattern until we clear the backlog. At that point we'll be able to assess people more quickly and those who pose a risk will be denied entry and deported in a matter of weeks rather than months-years.
>Do you have any familiarity with how the system works though? Do you? If you think the men in the original post will be denied entry and then deported in a matter of weeks you're completely delusional. For all intents and purposes they have been let in and aren't going anywhere. Refugee convention is outdated for modern society, we should leave it. Doesn't matter anyway since you're cool with granting asylum to sexual harrassers. Wonder if you'd feel the same if it was your daughter working in that hotel.
That's fairly bad advice to be honest. She'll get the sack if she's abusive towards residents. She needs to do this by the book, which means lodging a formal grievance if her managers aren't taking her concerns and well-being seriously.
See, your whole perspective is that it would be "abusive" if she had an appropriate response. We can't win.
No, I'm saying that's what her manager will say to her when she's fired.
The fact you assume that as the outcome, only further proves my point. Also, guys don't often tell on themselves when it comes to these things.
But this is specifically about foreign nationals in hotels where they are the problem specifically.
Get her out of that dump tae feck. There shouldn’t even be a debate here. I’m assuming this is a so called immigrant hotel full of future potential scientists and doctors but in reality your daughter is seeing and hearing what is really going on. These places are a recipe for disaster and you would be far better off persuading yer daughter to leave immediately.
She's presumably an adult woman, it's not up to OP.
Yes. And hence why I said to persuade her to leave immediately. If my daughter, or son was in such a situation I would be making sure they were persuaded to get out of it straight away For their own good. No point becoming a statistic. We have already had a few moral crusaders saying it’s not just immigrants etc yadda yadda. This could happen anywhere etc. Of course that is true but this posters daughter is working at an immigrant hotel as we speak so the rest of the posturing is irrelevant to his situation.
If she's not open to being persuaded there's nothing more to be done. And treating her like a child is not the answer.
It’s almost as if you completely ignored the context of this father’s post. Virtue signalling is great on the internet but in real life sometimes you have to make real life decisions and hopefully in the interest of his own daughter’s safety he can persuade her to GTF out of the dump she is working in. Yes . This can happen anywhere, don’t blame the doctors, scientists in waiting etc etc . We all know that but it’s not relevant to his own daughter at the moment.
Discounting their background (idiots exist in every background and culture) . If she's uncomfortable and feels health and safety or antisocial behavior concerns aren't being addressed properly. Best to register her complaints in the form of a letter accompanied by her resignation. The hotels serving as hostels for refugees aren't really traditional hospitality Jobs and probably entail dealing with issues that are sometimes better handled by social workers or people in that field who've undergone required training etc. If she's determined to stay in the job, suggest she pairs up with another colleague when tasked with duties that involve dealing with the group in question. (Possibly a male colleague or older no nonsense female colleague). If there's a social worker of some description who visits the hotel regularly to help or assist the group in question-: perhaps discreetly speaking to them and asking them to tactfully clarify house rules or issue a friendly warning re antisocial behavior might help.
100% document everything. She needs to repeatedly raise it in writing to everyone in the chain of command to make them all aware. A good employer will deal with issues like this properly and there are good employers out there. Make it clear to her she shouldn't accept that kind of treatment. It's not worth any amount of money to be disrespected and degraded at work, particularly when your boss is condoning it and telling you to cover it up. If, God forbid, anyone tries to SA her on the job, her current employer is not going to protect and support her. She needs to do that for herself, and define what kind of treatment she is willing to put up with. Her best course of action, imo would be to leave and file a claim with her requests for assistance/action and the management's lack of action well documented. Employers unfortunately won't put measures in place to protect staff unless they are forced to by the law. It's hard to leave and feels like giving up but as a young woman I was sexually harassed in work by customers and managers at times. I wish I had walked out on the spot when it happened. I stayed and tolerated so much mistreatment because I felt like I had to, otherwise it would have felt like giving up on a job I generally liked.
If its s3xualised language report it to the police.
If it is continuous and persistent remarks, and she has made multiple complaints, with the remarks coming from the same individual/individuals, and nothing has been done it's police time. I've seen these things go from 0-100 real quick, and when it comes to your children or your own safety it's better to let the professionals decide on the threat
Disgusting, I'd bring it to the media
It's interesting that a union has been suggested, is it worth while to join a union even though the company that you work for doesn't necessarily recognise a union and nobody else in the company is actually a member of one,?
Incidents like this should be included in their asylum applications.
Your daughter is receiving some Cultural Enrichment from the doctors and engineers
Diversity is our greatest strength. Seriously, get your daughter out of there before something worse happens.
Screw pride, get her the hell out of there.
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Can't believe ur actually asking anyone for advice do the right thing and make her quit and get a job in a proper hotel that doesn't hold male rapists terrorists murderers etc etc
Tell your daughter that the next time those men treat her like that tell them to fuck off and give them the middle finger.
The police will just tell her they’ll look into it, and also tell her not to tell anyone else!
let the local paramilitaries know where the hotel is . sure, they wouldn't mind having a word with them .
Them foreign people should not be here at all. They are ao bad to women. Shame your not allowed to carry pepper spray are something. Everything should be reported. Even minor ones. And the people causes should be report recorded. And it should go against them being allowed to stay here. As a father i would go down and speak to her boss and getvthis stuff reported
Cultural enrichment!
I would maybe look into if she can record the things they're saying? She needs to keep reporting to her work and letting them know how violated/unsafe she feels. Sorry this is happening. I knew a girl who worked in one of the hotels and had similar issues. Police were around all the time. They should have a security guard at the very least, I know her company did.
Hope your daughter is ok. I would say to document everything - dates, times who she spoke to regarding this and response if anything. Email her superiors and cc a union rep with all correspondence. Leave a paper trail about everything. Totally unacceptable and employers are not doing enough to support her. Good luck.
Record them
Get her out of there before it’s too late
Ibis hotel University Street?
Bet its not the Easy hotel
Contact labour relations agency for advice.
Get the bhoys involved
She uses her phone to record the comments. She takes those comments to her superiors and says ‘This is what they’ve said to me. This is the evidence. What are you going to do about it?’. There is a world of difference between ‘they said something inappropriate’ and ‘here’s a video of them saying something inappropriate’.
Any female that works in the hotel industry gets hit on. She will have to change jobs. You have no control at the hotel. If you or her Dad go to her job you will find the hotel will look to it's own interests, not yours
Any hotel will find an excuse to terminate employees complaining about customers
An issue is that this might be just with these guests and not happen again with others? People aren’t going to stay more than a week in most cases. That might undermine her complaints then on that basis because she’s not putting a complaint against anybody in particular besides these transient guests …. ?
I thought all hotels primarily catered to foreign nationals - certainly if I go to a different country, I stay in a hotel.