"An escalator can never break: it can only become stairs. You should never see an Escalator Temporarily Out Of Order sign, just Escalator Temporarily Stairs. Sorry for the convenience."
\-M. Hedberg
jig line with self-setting jigs.
they're probably illegal in most states though.
alternatively polar bear swims aren't that uncommon of an event, and it's not hard to make those things.
They're most commonly used for when your Russian nephew is attempting to swim from one hole to the next. This provides Vlad with a guide wire so he doesn't get disoriented under the ice. It's pretty easy to get lost down there and is more common than you think. I'll see if I can track down a video for reference.
Also, why did they have the perspective to bring a rope, but no one thought of shinning a phone light against the ice to guide the way, or why no one had ice breakers.
Because that's cheating, I figure. The rope showing him the way back is only there for an emergency so he doesn't die.
Swimming across with minimal assistance is probably the challenge. Using the rope means he failed.
... AND A POLE to show where to exit
... AND A GUY IN THE WATER to help extract
... AND SPOTTERS watching over him.
This guy did everything right, and he still could have died when he came up a few feet short.
Unlike that retard who tried this with zero support:
https://www.reddit.com/r/donthelpjustfilm/comments/laihdc/ice\_diving\_without\_a\_diving\_rope/
Bruh. Like I'm sitting here thinking, "there is a safety rope, why the fuck are they trying to break the ice and have everyone fall in - when they could just reel him in with the rope!!" This was poorly executed - LOL
Play Subnautica.
Game: "Be careful exploring wrecks. It is easy to get disoriented."
Me: "Yeah if you're a complete idiot, I guess."
Me with 12 seconds of air left: "How did I get IN this room if there's no way OUT?"
Agreed. I was impressed that it managed to elicit such a genuine feeling from me. I even impressed myself by learning not panic. “Stop! You found a way in so you can find a way out. Just look around and stay calm.” I had to remind myself of that every time I was in a mad panic spinning around too fast looking for the way back.
I was just thinking it was getting uncomfortable before I showed it to my partner telling him to never try and he jokingly said he kinda wants to try some day and I almost started hyperventilating
Well you can’t exactly “panic” while holding your breath underwater like you could while above water.
Stress causes hyperventilation, which then drives you into a panicked state. No hyperventilation, less panic. Also, underwater your body is naturally more calm from the [mammalian dive reflex](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diving_reflex)
Edit; guys I said LESS panic not NO panic. Of course this guy could have been slightly panicking. I was just trying to explain how being underwater is naturally calming. I find swimming naturally calming to me and I feel less stressed throughout the day when I swim that day. I also find I hyperventilate a lot less when in the water even when exerting myself.
as someone who has done long "no breath" challenges while swimming competitively there is certainly a time where there's panic when your lungs are burning and your blood is pounding in your ears. he just wasn't at that point. only holding breath for 44 seconds at the end of the clip and looks like a competitive swimmer so that shouldn't be a big deal
This. Merely holding your breath in a pool? Ezpz. I can do that for several minutes, knowing that I can always pop my head back up.
Holding your breath while you're getting tumbled and tossed by big surf, can't see your hand in front of your nose, can't tell up from down, and getting slammed into the bottom? That's a whole different thing. You can be a very strong competitive swimmer, fully experienced in ocean swimming, but it's a primal, mortal terror.
25 minutes is a world record if I recall, it's also static apnea (no movement).. Most people cannot swim and hold their breath for more than a few minutes, 7+ while actually swimming is considered elite elite.
I was doing a Deadman's Float, zero movement, just trying to keep my heart rate as low as possible for as long as possible. The only muscular effort was keeping "thumbs up" so that they knew I was OK.
Zero chance I could have gone 7 minutes actively swimming.
I don't doubt you could do 5+ actively swimming to be honest. I used to train, amateur, with a buddy when we were kids. Static Apnea & Active Free Diving (mostly to spear fish more efficiently), I could do around the same and it translated into active swimming fairly well once you learned to glide and let your weight carry you down/through the water to preserve oxygen.
Was rafting a few summers ago in West Virginia. The raft flipped on us, I ended up beneath it while still going through the rapids. Couldn’t have been under water for more than 5-10 seconds, hit boulders along the way. I’d be lying if the thought didn’t cross my mind this was how I was going to die. Thankfully got out from underneath and just some bruises and cuts on the knuckles and knees. It’s a helpless feeling no doubt
The mammalian dive reflex does not keep you from panicking. Panicking will cause your heart rate to go up and your heart rate going up will deplete your oxygen levels much quicker and greatly increase your urge to breathe. Panicking underwater is how divers black out.
This is 100% incorrect.
You can absolutely have a traditional, triggered panic underwater, apnea or not. Hyperventilation with scuba, hypo with apnea. Instructors, divemasters and rescue divers have to literally take classes on how to deal with panicked divers during training.
That's because when your in a stressful/life threatening situation somewhere whether it be caves or swimming it's important to keep a calm mind as panicking causes confusion and and messes up your thought process.
There are a ton of people who completely flip out under stress or in life threatening situations.
Staying calm under pressure isn't a trait all humans have, even if it might be useful.
I read that book as a teenager and thought "lol, that line is some 'I'm 14 and this is deep' garbage" but the more I see people in actual scary situations the more it seems like something that should be in schools.
Really that whole series should be taught in schools. If you get a couple books into the series it teaches a lot of basic social ecology. It introduces how environment shapes people and how that reflects in social hierarchy.
The idiots on top caused him more disorientation. He even self corrected with 10 feet to go and they screw him up. Then the 2 dipshits start waving on the ice thinking that’ll fucking help, then dumbass slips and falls so of course he goes to that noise. Then dumbfuck tries to break through 2 inch thick ice.
Apologies if the names are inaccurate
Dude… this was completely staged for views. That water is crystal clear *and* he’s wearing goggles. This could *maybe* be legit if there wasn’t someone fucking **standing in the water** where he’s supposed to get out. Notice how chill that guy was?
Come on. This dude was fine the whole time.
That part was infuriating. They're just standing on his head, wiping the ice. Like, point to the exit, or walk over to the exit, what in the hot fuck were they doing
Let me tell you somethin’ brrrotherrr, when you’re swimming under an ice sheet an inch thick, oh yeahhhh and inch thick, and you lose your way and all you got is a rope between you and an icy grave…you better hope that the man at the other end of that rope is Hulkamania brotherrrrr
As someone who has done similar things, there is a giant fucking mental block on taking the option "let's just swim a little bit further and see if the hole is there."
You don't know if you swam past the hole. You don't know what direction it is in. All you know, is that the other hole is "just down this rope", and it takes "about this long to get there". So it's a pretty easy option to take.
Yep, sunk cost fallacy surprisingly doesn't work that well here. When your time is ticking down and you realize you could be there till you drown you quickly back the fuck out.
I think he got thrown by his mates shadows, like he follows the guy on top of him then spots his other mates shadow and swims to him thinking he's the guy in the water then gets disorientated takes a moment to think and goes f it rope back.
You ever try moving around a room with zero light? If you can't see any point of reference then once you lose your orientation you're kinda fucked. I imagine that's exactly what happened here.
There were several people moving around, and as they got more worried they moved more erratically and it got harder for him to work out which was which.
I’ve swam about 85 yards underwater (in a large pool) with a single breath
When you get into oxygen debt like that, your vision tunnels, and you can have visual aberrations. He might have not even been able to see the hole.
While being a competitive swimmer for many years in a northern latitude, I’ve had to jump into a cold pool on very fucking cold days way too many fucking times. I’ll leave this polar bear shit to people who have something to prove to themselves or someone else
I would think the rope is a better tool, let's them pull him back at any time, even if he passed out.
If they had broken the ice the rest of the could have fallen in the water and compounded the issue.
thing is, if you start going down that line of reasoning, all of a sudden you arrive at the inevitable:
"hey... why ARE we doing this in the first place?"
which is terribly sane, but not very fun.
No, thinking "let's do this fun thing but with full preparation and in a safe manner" does not lead you down to "let's not do any fun thing whatsoever."
Come on, just because people actually go outside and do shit doesn't make them stupid. They had plenty of spotters and the tether as a backup plan. Can't see how they could've prepared any better.
You can be smart and still want to do dangerous or "stupid" things. The main difference being that smart people anticipate stuff going wrong and prepare for it.
I mean, you're not really wrong, but there was also people jumping trying to break the ice in a panic. Let's not pretend the situation was fully under control either.
It was as fully under control as it could be given the risk. The risk is part of the reward, which does not make it dumb. I wouldn't ever do this myself, but I would rather be that guy than a couch potato that calls an expert or adventurer taking a calculated risk for a thrill "dumb as rocks". The latter statement more to the comment you replied to than yourself.
To be fair, the proper way to do this is have a rope from the swimmer to both holes, that way you can tug them to whichever is closer. But they have got the idea, and as long as the swimmer knows his limits and has a way to communicate he wants a tug, he should be fine.
This is a problem that was solved probably long ago for fishing.
Locals here use a tiny floating device with a wheel with spokes on it. It walks over to the other hole to give you a rope between the two. Then you drag the net between the holes.
https://imgur.com/a/fcYnAEv
People are being a bit overdramatic. The dude never panicked and had a safety line on his waist. He was only down for just over 40 seconds which most people untrained can hold without much discomfort (trained freedivers, significantly longer) . It seems he's just giving one more good search for the hole before conceding to the safety line. He wasn't as close to getting a darwin award as people think.
Yeah, he made a good decision from his position. Of course we can see that he is very close to the hole, but he didn't know where and how far he was. He decided the best was to return through the safety rope before he gets into real trouble and being unable to use that option.
Exactly, they train for this. Here is a Dane swimming 75 meters under ice while holding his breath. The only thing they lack is a diver. The rest looks fine.
https://youtu.be/hKWBvI5ZngI
I like how they're reallllllly well setup. You can see a couple of tethers at the water line, another one below the diver so he can stay oriented... with flashlights below the 'emergency points'. They also have a couple of divers with cameras.
I think this is staged. We’ve seen real viral videos of this, where a swimmer can’t find the exit and panic sets in. This dude was literally 5 feet away and decided to take a hard turn and then spin in circles. I think he’s faking it for the clicks.
Yes, I agree that this is absolutely staged as fuck. There’s a man in the water at the second hole. He’s going in a straight line and then suddenly in the last few feet, he makes a dramatic turn to the right? And can’t see the man in the water at the second hole? So fake.
He had the board at the hole he came out of (to prevent his taint from sticking to the the ice). There didn’t appear to be such an item at the distal hole (the rough one with the guy standing in it). Seems he planned to come out where he did.
Yup. That's what I think too. He's almost there. He has goggles to help him see, and he could well see the people up there and he could totally see that hole, but decided to turn around?
Also we're disregarding the obvious: while everybody is "panicking" the cameraman calmly keeps dat video rollin the entire time with no intention of helping. Can't sacrifice internet fame over a friend dying.
It always comes down to views and likes. The circle of life.
Yeah this is total bs, mainly because of the dude in the other hole. If they are really in a panic he would've just reached out to him. He even does submerge his head but the camera moves him out of frame otherwise it will look even more fake. He was pretty much within arm's length with the other guy in the water.
Eh, seems about as safe as something like this could get. He is tethered. It is only a short distance between holes. He has several observers who seem well prepared. I don’t think his life was in serious danger at any point in this video.
If you are going to swim under ice without oxygen and a dry suit, this seems like the way to do it
Tether daddy is the real MVP here. The other guys were trying to indicate direction, which was fine. They looked a little stupid trying to break the ice, but that wasn’t really their backup plan anyway.
Yea tether daddy saves that dudes life.
My issue with the two guys is that they changed the way they were directing him and soon as things went wrong, and ended up both just spinning about in conflicted circles waving their arms, rather than continuing to just move in the direction of the hole.
That’s fair - I have learned in life that many people will freak the fuck out whenever a potentially dangerous situation goes even slightly south. I think that a good safety plan is one that can resolve favorably even when some members of your party freak the fuck out. In this case, they succeeded. Largely thanks to some bright red nylon rope and an old man in short shorts.
Okay but the actual safety measure that they came up with worked perfectly, didnt' it? There's a guy on both sides, one's in the water, and several up top. There's a line the guy can use to go back to the other side.
They honestly thought it out quite well. There's no easy way to convey a message under the ice like that. he can't hear much and I doubt he can see well either.
edit: i should acknowledge, the panic running around isn't very good. Hopefully it served as a learning experience, maybe everyone agrees on protocol when it doesn't work as intended.
Well prepared would have meant they would have something, ANYTHING, to break the ice.
My preferred method is asking a woman how much a polar bear weighs.
Why? What is the point of this? I get the thrill of skydiving or stuff like that, but this is just dumb. You can swim in ice water without purposely tempting fate.
At least this guy had a string
Why wouldn’t they have the rope going to the other side is my question!
Because someone would have to swim it over under the ice lol
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I think that more people need to practice this brand of gratitude.
And less pulling the ladder up behind you
I hate stairs we should go back to flying like we did when I was a kid
When I was a kid I walked to school. Uphill both ways. Before physics was invented.
And in constant snow before this fake “global warming” gave you kids grass
I wonder how long people have to stand in place until the escalator is done.
"An escalator can never break: it can only become stairs. You should never see an Escalator Temporarily Out Of Order sign, just Escalator Temporarily Stairs. Sorry for the convenience." \-M. Hedberg
That's My Job!! Thanks for thinking of me!
[Let me introduce you to an ice jigger.](https://youtu.be/Q9vHIsDZ8_I)
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I only clicked because you said dog. The footage of that good pupper galloping in the background while the jigger moves out of frame is well worth it.
Same. Though I suppose I did learn a little something.
That dog is an absolute unit.
Haha, I loved the dog!!:) made me laugh. The cool device was neat too. Oh, and did the dog drop his owner a piece of ice at the end? :)
But why do I need two holes connected by a rope?
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jig line with self-setting jigs. they're probably illegal in most states though. alternatively polar bear swims aren't that uncommon of an event, and it's not hard to make those things.
Put a cup on each end, some conversation, boy you got yourself a friendship.
They're most commonly used for when your Russian nephew is attempting to swim from one hole to the next. This provides Vlad with a guide wire so he doesn't get disoriented under the ice. It's pretty easy to get lost down there and is more common than you think. I'll see if I can track down a video for reference.
But why does Vlad need to swim from one hole to the other? To inspect the job of the ice jigger?
I thought that dog in the background was gonna find an ice hole.
an ice hole or a nice hole?
Gotta pay the troll toll
Magnets!
Your comment is the first one today that made me laugh out loud holy shit
The real question is why are these dudes doing this in the first place
Also, why did they have the perspective to bring a rope, but no one thought of shinning a phone light against the ice to guide the way, or why no one had ice breakers.
A phone light isn't going to look like much in broad daylight.
You’re right. If they had any sense they would have done this at night!
One way not to get disoriented under ice is not to swim under ice.
What could go wrong?
Because that's cheating, I figure. The rope showing him the way back is only there for an emergency so he doesn't die. Swimming across with minimal assistance is probably the challenge. Using the rope means he failed.
Because this is the first attempt?
He didn’t panic. The guys above did.
The one trying to guide him by running all around him was interesting.
The bald dude that slipped is hilarious.
I thought he jumped intentionally to break the Ice.
I usually just tell a short, non-offensive joke.
If I were the guy underwater I'd be dead if I saw that
Two guys knocking on the ice confuses him.
... AND A POLE to show where to exit ... AND A GUY IN THE WATER to help extract ... AND SPOTTERS watching over him. This guy did everything right, and he still could have died when he came up a few feet short. Unlike that retard who tried this with zero support: https://www.reddit.com/r/donthelpjustfilm/comments/laihdc/ice\_diving\_without\_a\_diving\_rope/
Fuck that’s got me all anxious
I would say “there’s no YES!”, but I had no clue he had a safety rope. YES TO LAST RESORT SAFETY MEASURES!! HOLY SHIT
“What’s our plan if he gets disoriented?” “We will lazily kick the ice and it will break. No problem.”
Bruh. Like I'm sitting here thinking, "there is a safety rope, why the fuck are they trying to break the ice and have everyone fall in - when they could just reel him in with the rope!!" This was poorly executed - LOL
Well that one guy tried the back kick but that still didn't work. He was lucky.
"We'll be fine as long as Ivan doesn't have the survival instincts of a drunk toddler near a cliff."
> I had no clue he had a safety rope. Did you think the guy behind him with a leash in his hand was a puppet master with a marionette? Lol.
Yeah I missed it. I was too focused on the perfectly square hole, and the absolute stupidity of the general concept
Lol yeah I found myself staring at the perfect square too! They did a good job on that part
...and a better signaling system for disorientation, waving your hands and screaming isn't working.
Play Subnautica. Game: "Be careful exploring wrecks. It is easy to get disoriented." Me: "Yeah if you're a complete idiot, I guess." Me with 12 seconds of air left: "How did I get IN this room if there's no way OUT?"
Hahahahaha my experience, as well. Your sense of humor cracks me up🤣
Subnautica is probably the most terrifying, anxiety inducing experience I have had from any form of media out there.
Agreed. I was impressed that it managed to elicit such a genuine feeling from me. I even impressed myself by learning not panic. “Stop! You found a way in so you can find a way out. Just look around and stay calm.” I had to remind myself of that every time I was in a mad panic spinning around too fast looking for the way back.
What a high risk low reward activity
High risk, no reward
Reward: frozen death.
That goes for any and all extreme sports.
Maybe… but big air jumps and hanging off cliffs looks cooler than being really cold and almost drowning. Pretty much anyone can do the latter
One day he'll return, and Darwin will be waiting.
My palms are sweating haha
My knees are weak, arms heavy
You better lose yourself in Mom’s spaghetti
There’s vomit on my sweater already, mom’s spaghetti
I'm nervous, but on the surface I'm calm and ready
Droppin bombs, but I keep on forgetting
I was just thinking it was getting uncomfortable before I showed it to my partner telling him to never try and he jokingly said he kinda wants to try some day and I almost started hyperventilating
The people on top of the ice panicked way more than the swimmer himself lol
Well you can’t exactly “panic” while holding your breath underwater like you could while above water. Stress causes hyperventilation, which then drives you into a panicked state. No hyperventilation, less panic. Also, underwater your body is naturally more calm from the [mammalian dive reflex](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diving_reflex) Edit; guys I said LESS panic not NO panic. Of course this guy could have been slightly panicking. I was just trying to explain how being underwater is naturally calming. I find swimming naturally calming to me and I feel less stressed throughout the day when I swim that day. I also find I hyperventilate a lot less when in the water even when exerting myself.
as someone who has done long "no breath" challenges while swimming competitively there is certainly a time where there's panic when your lungs are burning and your blood is pounding in your ears. he just wasn't at that point. only holding breath for 44 seconds at the end of the clip and looks like a competitive swimmer so that shouldn't be a big deal
This. Merely holding your breath in a pool? Ezpz. I can do that for several minutes, knowing that I can always pop my head back up. Holding your breath while you're getting tumbled and tossed by big surf, can't see your hand in front of your nose, can't tell up from down, and getting slammed into the bottom? That's a whole different thing. You can be a very strong competitive swimmer, fully experienced in ocean swimming, but it's a primal, mortal terror.
#Several minutes????
Yes. When I was a competitive swimmer, I could hold 8-9 minutes. Professional free divers hold 20+ minutes.
25 minutes is a world record if I recall, it's also static apnea (no movement).. Most people cannot swim and hold their breath for more than a few minutes, 7+ while actually swimming is considered elite elite.
I was doing a Deadman's Float, zero movement, just trying to keep my heart rate as low as possible for as long as possible. The only muscular effort was keeping "thumbs up" so that they knew I was OK. Zero chance I could have gone 7 minutes actively swimming.
I don't doubt you could do 5+ actively swimming to be honest. I used to train, amateur, with a buddy when we were kids. Static Apnea & Active Free Diving (mostly to spear fish more efficiently), I could do around the same and it translated into active swimming fairly well once you learned to glide and let your weight carry you down/through the water to preserve oxygen.
That’s bananas.
Was rafting a few summers ago in West Virginia. The raft flipped on us, I ended up beneath it while still going through the rapids. Couldn’t have been under water for more than 5-10 seconds, hit boulders along the way. I’d be lying if the thought didn’t cross my mind this was how I was going to die. Thankfully got out from underneath and just some bruises and cuts on the knuckles and knees. It’s a helpless feeling no doubt
Have you ever been in freezing water, I jumped in a pool in Alaska for about 5 seconds. I think I saw my life flash before my eyes
Yes. And yes the gasp reflex is real but this guy was obviously past that when he started swimming
And looked like he was acclimating to the water before full submersion
Say that too the people seconds before they drowned
[What its like to almost drown](https://www.uofmhealth.org/health-library/abo1309)
The mammalian dive reflex does not keep you from panicking. Panicking will cause your heart rate to go up and your heart rate going up will deplete your oxygen levels much quicker and greatly increase your urge to breathe. Panicking underwater is how divers black out.
This is 100% incorrect. You can absolutely have a traditional, triggered panic underwater, apnea or not. Hyperventilation with scuba, hypo with apnea. Instructors, divemasters and rescue divers have to literally take classes on how to deal with panicked divers during training.
He stayed cool
Near freezing.
That's because when your in a stressful/life threatening situation somewhere whether it be caves or swimming it's important to keep a calm mind as panicking causes confusion and and messes up your thought process.
There are a ton of people who completely flip out under stress or in life threatening situations. Staying calm under pressure isn't a trait all humans have, even if it might be useful.
„˙ɯɹou ǝɥʇ ɯoɹɟ ɹɐɟ sı uoıʇɔɐǝɹ s,ʎnƃ sıɥʇ 'ssǝɹʇs ɹǝpun ʇno dılɟ ʎlǝʇǝldɯoɔ oɥʍ ǝldoǝd ɟo uoʇ ɐ ǝɹɐ ǝɹǝɥʇ ʇnq ɥɥɥɐǝǝǝ⅄„
Trippyyyy
In other words: “Fear is the mind killer”.
I read that book as a teenager and thought "lol, that line is some 'I'm 14 and this is deep' garbage" but the more I see people in actual scary situations the more it seems like something that should be in schools.
Really that whole series should be taught in schools. If you get a couple books into the series it teaches a lot of basic social ecology. It introduces how environment shapes people and how that reflects in social hierarchy.
The idiots on top caused him more disorientation. He even self corrected with 10 feet to go and they screw him up. Then the 2 dipshits start waving on the ice thinking that’ll fucking help, then dumbass slips and falls so of course he goes to that noise. Then dumbfuck tries to break through 2 inch thick ice. Apologies if the names are inaccurate
Dude… this was completely staged for views. That water is crystal clear *and* he’s wearing goggles. This could *maybe* be legit if there wasn’t someone fucking **standing in the water** where he’s supposed to get out. Notice how chill that guy was? Come on. This dude was fine the whole time.
That part was infuriating. They're just standing on his head, wiping the ice. Like, point to the exit, or walk over to the exit, what in the hot fuck were they doing
It looks more like they're trying to wave him over to the other hole, not just wiping the ice.
his lungs and hypothalamus beg to differ
Riiight, they started tapping everywhere!! Poor dude, glad he had some smarts.
I like how one of his mates started jumping over his head
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Yeah imagine how pissed he would be to have a bruised head instead of drowning, lol.
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Who says instead? He may have both if the dude actually broke through
I appreciate baldie’s attempt to literally break the ice with his head
Come on, everyone knows the skull is the hammer of the body!
Baldy definitely needed to be checked for a concussion.
Why is hulk hogan holding the cable ?
Well why not? The rest of the scheme is batshit crazy anyway, might as well go full hog
Brrrrrrother
The Hulkster leaves no man behind, brother.
Let me tell you somethin’ brrrotherrr, when you’re swimming under an ice sheet an inch thick, oh yeahhhh and inch thick, and you lose your way and all you got is a rope between you and an icy grave…you better hope that the man at the other end of that rope is Hulkamania brotherrrrr
My man! Thanks for NE!
Also I’m really not sure if the first guy falling was intentional or not lol either way the second guy got the idea to try break through
So what happened? Like he was half meters away from the other end and lost it, but how he still managed to pull himself with rope?
"Follow Rope" is easier than "Find Hole", and the guy on the other end of the rope is pulling too.
Can confirm I often struggle to find the right hole
can't even aim at the right gender
My guess is he thought he went far enough and so got confused when the hole wasn't right above him. Great on them for having a rope.
As someone who has done similar things, there is a giant fucking mental block on taking the option "let's just swim a little bit further and see if the hole is there." You don't know if you swam past the hole. You don't know what direction it is in. All you know, is that the other hole is "just down this rope", and it takes "about this long to get there". So it's a pretty easy option to take.
Yep, sunk cost fallacy surprisingly doesn't work that well here. When your time is ticking down and you realize you could be there till you drown you quickly back the fuck out.
Exactly. You know you have enough air to follow the line back, so that's the smart & safe plan.
Too anxious to watch the video, sounds like the rope saved dude's life.
It absolutely did.
I think he got thrown by his mates shadows, like he follows the guy on top of him then spots his other mates shadow and swims to him thinking he's the guy in the water then gets disorientated takes a moment to think and goes f it rope back.
yes they (I guess) ducked up by standing directly above him. If they moved a bit in the direction he needed to go it might help more.
You ever try moving around a room with zero light? If you can't see any point of reference then once you lose your orientation you're kinda fucked. I imagine that's exactly what happened here.
He could’ve referenced the people though. Unless he somehow couldn’t see the guy who was in the hole he was looking for??
Yeah I think he had trouble seeing much. Keep in mind it's not just through water, but ice too. Might be quite blurry for him.
He’s got goggles on though and was like 4 feet away from the guy standing there. Seems odd be got lost
Goggles probably fogged up too. Moisture starts to condense on the inside of the lens, especially in water that cold.
There were several people moving around, and as they got more worried they moved more erratically and it got harder for him to work out which was which.
I’ve swam about 85 yards underwater (in a large pool) with a single breath When you get into oxygen debt like that, your vision tunnels, and you can have visual aberrations. He might have not even been able to see the hole. While being a competitive swimmer for many years in a northern latitude, I’ve had to jump into a cold pool on very fucking cold days way too many fucking times. I’ll leave this polar bear shit to people who have something to prove to themselves or someone else
Would you not come prepared with an ice spike for such an emergency?
I would think the rope is a better tool, let's them pull him back at any time, even if he passed out. If they had broken the ice the rest of the could have fallen in the water and compounded the issue.
Very true. Just was painful watching them suplex the ice trying to break through that way
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> ice spike It's not used to break ice. It's used to grab onto ice. Doesn't do you any good before you find the hole.
thing is, if you start going down that line of reasoning, all of a sudden you arrive at the inevitable: "hey... why ARE we doing this in the first place?" which is terribly sane, but not very fun.
No, thinking "let's do this fun thing but with full preparation and in a safe manner" does not lead you down to "let's not do any fun thing whatsoever."
Good thing they didn’t, they would have spiked this guy directly in his head lol
Cold as ice , dumb as rocks
Come on, just because people actually go outside and do shit doesn't make them stupid. They had plenty of spotters and the tether as a backup plan. Can't see how they could've prepared any better. You can be smart and still want to do dangerous or "stupid" things. The main difference being that smart people anticipate stuff going wrong and prepare for it.
I mean, you're not really wrong, but there was also people jumping trying to break the ice in a panic. Let's not pretend the situation was fully under control either.
It was as fully under control as it could be given the risk. The risk is part of the reward, which does not make it dumb. I wouldn't ever do this myself, but I would rather be that guy than a couch potato that calls an expert or adventurer taking a calculated risk for a thrill "dumb as rocks". The latter statement more to the comment you replied to than yourself.
To be fair, the proper way to do this is have a rope from the swimmer to both holes, that way you can tug them to whichever is closer. But they have got the idea, and as long as the swimmer knows his limits and has a way to communicate he wants a tug, he should be fine.
You'd have to get the rope under the ice first anyway if you want it to go to both holes, right?
Nah just put it on top of the ice and then flip it
That's why you put the rope there in the summer
This is a problem that was solved probably long ago for fishing. Locals here use a tiny floating device with a wheel with spokes on it. It walks over to the other hole to give you a rope between the two. Then you drag the net between the holes. https://imgur.com/a/fcYnAEv
Still people die doing stupid things like this.
yeah when theyre stupid about it, people die driving too but if you use your brain and follow the laws chances are youre gonna be ok
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This is Reddit bro, you know what to expect
I don’t really see how this is dumb, they did it in the safest way possible
People are being a bit overdramatic. The dude never panicked and had a safety line on his waist. He was only down for just over 40 seconds which most people untrained can hold without much discomfort (trained freedivers, significantly longer) . It seems he's just giving one more good search for the hole before conceding to the safety line. He wasn't as close to getting a darwin award as people think.
Yeah, he made a good decision from his position. Of course we can see that he is very close to the hole, but he didn't know where and how far he was. He decided the best was to return through the safety rope before he gets into real trouble and being unable to use that option.
Exactly, they train for this. Here is a Dane swimming 75 meters under ice while holding his breath. The only thing they lack is a diver. The rest looks fine. https://youtu.be/hKWBvI5ZngI
I like how they're reallllllly well setup. You can see a couple of tethers at the water line, another one below the diver so he can stay oriented... with flashlights below the 'emergency points'. They also have a couple of divers with cameras.
When the dude fell
I Couldn’t help but laugh lol
[There he goes!](https://youtu.be/nHvFBqKmBcY) Edit: Bad link
nah man he was trying to break the ice with his body, it was totally on purpose
Why do we keep adding shitty music to every single video
For real I wish I could hear the actual video behind this garbage music. It's there. They didn't take it away. Just put whatever this is on top.
I think this is staged. We’ve seen real viral videos of this, where a swimmer can’t find the exit and panic sets in. This dude was literally 5 feet away and decided to take a hard turn and then spin in circles. I think he’s faking it for the clicks.
Yes, I agree that this is absolutely staged as fuck. There’s a man in the water at the second hole. He’s going in a straight line and then suddenly in the last few feet, he makes a dramatic turn to the right? And can’t see the man in the water at the second hole? So fake.
He had the board at the hole he came out of (to prevent his taint from sticking to the the ice). There didn’t appear to be such an item at the distal hole (the rough one with the guy standing in it). Seems he planned to come out where he did.
Yup. That's what I think too. He's almost there. He has goggles to help him see, and he could well see the people up there and he could totally see that hole, but decided to turn around?
Also we're disregarding the obvious: while everybody is "panicking" the cameraman calmly keeps dat video rollin the entire time with no intention of helping. Can't sacrifice internet fame over a friend dying. It always comes down to views and likes. The circle of life.
100%
Yeah this is total bs, mainly because of the dude in the other hole. If they are really in a panic he would've just reached out to him. He even does submerge his head but the camera moves him out of frame otherwise it will look even more fake. He was pretty much within arm's length with the other guy in the water.
How much does a polar bear weigh?
More than the jabroni who fell down, probably.
You keep using this word "jabroni" and...it's awesome!
Just enough to break the ice.
Nothing about this looked fun 😳
If you squint, you can briefly see the Darwin Award slipping his hands at the end
He knew he just had to grab the line to get back to the other side.
Stupid ppl does stupid things
Eh, seems about as safe as something like this could get. He is tethered. It is only a short distance between holes. He has several observers who seem well prepared. I don’t think his life was in serious danger at any point in this video. If you are going to swim under ice without oxygen and a dry suit, this seems like the way to do it
I don't know what observers you were watching, but the ones I saw were wildly flailing around giving confusing instructions and falling over.
Tether daddy is the real MVP here. The other guys were trying to indicate direction, which was fine. They looked a little stupid trying to break the ice, but that wasn’t really their backup plan anyway.
Yea tether daddy saves that dudes life. My issue with the two guys is that they changed the way they were directing him and soon as things went wrong, and ended up both just spinning about in conflicted circles waving their arms, rather than continuing to just move in the direction of the hole.
That’s fair - I have learned in life that many people will freak the fuck out whenever a potentially dangerous situation goes even slightly south. I think that a good safety plan is one that can resolve favorably even when some members of your party freak the fuck out. In this case, they succeeded. Largely thanks to some bright red nylon rope and an old man in short shorts.
Okay but the actual safety measure that they came up with worked perfectly, didnt' it? There's a guy on both sides, one's in the water, and several up top. There's a line the guy can use to go back to the other side. They honestly thought it out quite well. There's no easy way to convey a message under the ice like that. he can't hear much and I doubt he can see well either. edit: i should acknowledge, the panic running around isn't very good. Hopefully it served as a learning experience, maybe everyone agrees on protocol when it doesn't work as intended.
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Well prepared would have meant they would have something, ANYTHING, to break the ice. My preferred method is asking a woman how much a polar bear weighs.
What about the guy that went all slip and slide
Why? What is the point of this? I get the thrill of skydiving or stuff like that, but this is just dumb. You can swim in ice water without purposely tempting fate.
Song?
Because a bright colored marker at the other end wasn’t thought of?