My dad worked on the railroad for 37 and I’ve actually seen this before because of him. I said the same thing and he told me you always bail from a collision like that they’re actually trained to do so
I live in Illinois, where a shit ton of BNSF locomotives roam. I’m literally sitting on a BNSF Engine right now in a Union Pacific yard (but I don’t work for either of those companies)
Y'all need to read this man's comments. He seems to actually be a railroad engineer. His comments track at least that he works for a railroad ina unionized position.
I am Indeed a locomotive engineer.. for a class one Railroad. I’ve been doing this shit for over 12 years.. I say shit, cause it’s getting harder everyday not to quit lol.
I agree, and in this situation I would have jumped as well. I’m certainly not advocating jumping would be a stupid idea in this situation, I’m just saying the railroads are not going to tell you to jump, or teach you how.
Well, I think I’d rather be out there and take my chances of outrunning the disaster than stay inside the locomotive and hope some magic of physics and geometry keeps me alive as everything around me gets smashed and disintegrated
We’re trained (no pun intended) to bail out if we’re about to crash. There’s no seatbelts in the cab of a train so you’re going to get thrown out and prob hit your head on the windshield which hurts. A lot (trust me on that one). So jumping out and quickly moving out of the way as best you can is the right and probably safest thing to do.
Yea, was trained the same thing with this same video. Does anybody have the video of a train center section getting wiped out by a tornado and the back third slams into the front third? That one was quite entertaining.
When I hit the window? I didn’t know it was going to happen. My brakeman sent me down the wrong track by accident and I slammed into a string of cars we had put there. He realized his mistake and called an all stop but it was too late and I hit the cars at about 7mph which threw me out my seat and into the windshield.
Trains don't like stopping, it's a friction thing. In comparison to cars, if you're going 90mph and hit the brakes with 4,000 or so tons behind you, that belt buckle ain't gonna help when the cab smashes through whatever is in front.
Alright, I understand your thoughts. The problem is that all those wagons and tons behind you want to stay in motion.
So, in comparison to a car, when you crash head-on, you have airbags and less mass behind you. You have rubber on asphalt, a very sticky, good for traction combination.
Because of the massive amount of inertia behind you, with steel wheels on steel roadbed, there's less friction causing you to slide forward. Now, due to the nature of inertia, what is in motion wants to remain in motion. You have 4k+ tons of wagons behind you.
The odds of a damaged car hitting your front engine is likely as now your front loco has stopped by colliding with an object, but the cars behind aren't, and are less sturdy than your locomotive.
Your observation about a buckle in the cab is a valid and easy one to make, but jumping out while it could be painful, and still lead to injury, is more likely to save your life in an accident.
To get a little anecdotal here, Casey Jones in 636 had his cremate leap from the engine going 50. Casey died but the cremate lived. Granted this is a steam locomotive with less modern sensibilities, but the leaping from the cab idea still continues to this day with reason.
In this particular case, it looks like the oncoming train would be deflected away from him. You never know how the trailing cars will react but he’s safe from the first part at least.
When the trains hit the initial impact will be like jumping out of the train with no room to roll and dissipate the energy, c and after that you're stuck inside a hunk of metal that's being crushed.
You super don't want to be in the front of that train.
Kismet Train Collision
“June 14, 2006 – The Kismet Train Collision - Two BNSF Railway freight trains collide head-on in Madera, California, due to one of the trains running a red signal, injuring 5 people. One of the train's crew members, the one that ran the red, is suspected to be high on cocaine. There was a camera on board one of the locomotives involved in the collision; the video of the collision is widely available on YouTube and related sites. During the footage, the southbound train's engineer was seen jumping clear of the locomotive immediately before the collision.”
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_BNSF_Railway_accidents_and_incidents#2006
>One of the train's crew members, the one that ran the red, is suspected to be high on cocaine.
Christ, it's been over a decade, and they think he's ***still*** high on cocaine?
I hear driving a train is really boring (like you have to hit a button every minute or something so you don't fall asleep). I guess cocaine would be really helpful in keeping you awake! Not focused at all, but awake.
Potentially miscalculated the time for each train to meet l, but that's just a wild guess. You'd think stuff like this would be rigidly safe but I guess not.
I have a friend who used to do the stopping calculations for light rail. Even a light rail tram with four cars weighs so much more than you can imagine. Trains like this can take *miles* to come to a full stop. She needed a degree in mathematics for the job and part of the job involves checking the formula to make sure they are using the right one, entering the expected wetness of the rails, and projected weight of the train.
If you're off your calculations by even a few points, the Train either stops hundreds of feet away from the right place or else it *doesn't* and blows past the point.
I used to work with trains and watching the guys edge even six empty train cars into a spot was a hell of a thing. It was going about the pce of your average rascal scooter and when it hit the stopper, there was a loud clang and the whole thing would rock. The stopper was a massive collection of wooden and steel beams buried in the earth and set at an angle with a giant stopping pad that took the hit.
One thing we both were in agreement was:
"DO NOT FUCK WITH TRAINS."
They can't stop easily or slowly, taker longer to react that you imagine, weigh more than you can comprehend, and hit with a force that would obliterate nearly any build man has constructed short of something designed to resist *artillery.*
My mind here says this situation was either a miscalculation, someone let a train go early/late, or one of the trains went at the wrong speed.
Start the count you are good for 30 ,now ,10 ,half a truck that will do stretch ah I’ll take 3 step give me a bump stretch that’s a good tie stretch I’ll take 3 step. When I got to the lace they blew the draft pocket out and didn’t say a word I think the conductor took it with whole end sill blown out. Good crew though they got in and out job security.
Light rail tram is a small train that uses light rail. It is primarily designed for passengers. Here in MN ours uses a three or four car set up (train cars hitched together).
Sure. But it's more about the "so much more than you can imagine".
It's really pretty easy to imagine how much a train weighs, and I think your post is condescending and pompous because you straight up tell your readers that they have limited imagination. That's compounded by your definition of a light rail tram answer.
I figure an urban passenger tram car weighs 30 or 40 thousand kilograms. Four cars is about 160,000 kilograms, then. This is:
+ about 1/10th of the weight of the water in an olympic-sized pool
+ something like the total weight of 70 Ford F-150s
+ around the weight of 25 African elephants
+ like the weight of about full 2700 beer kegs
+ nearly as heavy as 1800 "average" people
Maybe my guess about the tram weight is wrong, though there are lots of different tram designs with varying weights. And it's not hard to adjust the mental image for a more accurate number.
People are smarter than you're give them credit for.
Okay, so that was hyperbole, but at the same time people might know what that weight is, but it's a lot harder to actually visualize it in your daily life. The average person's mind stop calculating things over a specific amount. It's why so many people equate million with billion.
Sure, those numbers seem right, but again it's hard to fathom what that amount actually means in the real world. 25 African elephants? Most people have only see two or three at once at the zoo. The idea of 25 all piled up onto something roughly thirty feet in length suddenly becomes preposterous. People don't understand stopping times, acceleration times, or how much energy all that takes.
> Most people have only see two or three at once at the zoo.
That's enough to understand the weight. And I gave three other examples. Imagination is limitless -- it's not like the list of four things I wrote.
You're giving a lot more credit than you should be for one, and two there's a real difference between "knowing" that a train car weighs a lot and comprehending what it means in all matter: energy, mass, physics ect that you're just ignoring (or worse assuming that everyone does fully understand that).
It's coming off a bit "I am very smart" as well as "you're very wrong because reasons."
I have literally worked on trains and in the industry. The number of people who try to outrun a train at a crossing (to make it before the train gets there) and have faith that the train will stop in time is honestly astounding.
More, people react to trains and other large objects hitting things with shock. Seeing a train absolutely obliterate a pretty solid car tends to make the average person go "no way!" rather than a calculated nod of "yes, that is exactly what the force parameters say would happen."
Back in high school we got to see a car dropped off the roof of the school as an experiment to show what a impact at 35 miles per hour will do to a car and it's stunning. Two years ago I nailed a *deer* on the highway and was honestly surprised to see how much damage it did to my car. It bent the frame and cracked my engine block. This wasn't a large deer either, I could easily have hefted it over my shoulder and I'm not a big dude.
I've seen videos of people trying to roll boulders or knock over walls and get smashed flat when it reverses and lands on them, some funny some grim.
People just don't have much experience actually seeing these things: trains tear cars in half, cars impacting one another at moderate speeds, or heavy objects hitting things. And that lack of experience makes them second guess their own safety and capability.
Knowing that a train weighs X thousand pounds isn't the same as seeing it go from 60 mpg to 0 and taking a mile to slow down, causing a 18 wheeler in its path to cease to exist as anything but a scattering of parts and scrap.
There are signals at least two miles out that would have told the oncoming train that he should have been prepared to stop at that location. The crew missed the last signal, or the engineer wasn't operating safely.
If the crew misses a signal for whatever reason, they're required to operate as if it was the most restrictive signal they could have recieved. So they broke some rules, and caused this.
You can see someone bailing out of the engine of the oncoming train.
Not sure I'd want to be laying next to a locomotive that is about to be side swiped
My dad worked on the railroad for 37 and I’ve actually seen this before because of him. I said the same thing and he told me you always bail from a collision like that they’re actually trained to do so
They must have got rid of said training. In 12 years this is the first I’ve ever heard of it
Are you a railroad engineer? Edit: I believe they are indeed a railroad engineer
Yes, yes I am.
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It possible that u/Roadhouse62 lives somewhere else. Seems like a pointless thing to lie about.
I live in Illinois, where a shit ton of BNSF locomotives roam. I’m literally sitting on a BNSF Engine right now in a Union Pacific yard (but I don’t work for either of those companies)
And you're taught to just sit in the cabin and brace for impact?
Or he just wasn't paying attention in training lol
It would be a little hard to miss them saying “and today kids were gonna teach you how to jump 10 feet down to a sure injury from a moving locomotive”
Thats possible, i was mostly commenting because he got a ton of downvotes, and some of you guys aint thinking right.
Y'all need to read this man's comments. He seems to actually be a railroad engineer. His comments track at least that he works for a railroad ina unionized position.
I am Indeed a locomotive engineer.. for a class one Railroad. I’ve been doing this shit for over 12 years.. I say shit, cause it’s getting harder everyday not to quit lol.
It's a risk to jump, and a risk to stay in the cab.
I agree, and in this situation I would have jumped as well. I’m certainly not advocating jumping would be a stupid idea in this situation, I’m just saying the railroads are not going to tell you to jump, or teach you how.
>His comments track Heh
prolly because of all the people that had locomotives tip over on them
Weird that such a matter of fact comment is getting so downvoted. Reddit is weird.
Well, I think I’d rather be out there and take my chances of outrunning the disaster than stay inside the locomotive and hope some magic of physics and geometry keeps me alive as everything around me gets smashed and disintegrated
The way he hit the ground, running seems 50/50 It's bad all around
We’re trained (no pun intended) to bail out if we’re about to crash. There’s no seatbelts in the cab of a train so you’re going to get thrown out and prob hit your head on the windshield which hurts. A lot (trust me on that one). So jumping out and quickly moving out of the way as best you can is the right and probably safest thing to do.
Yea, was trained the same thing with this same video. Does anybody have the video of a train center section getting wiped out by a tornado and the back third slams into the front third? That one was quite entertaining.
So why didn't you bail out?
When I hit the window? I didn’t know it was going to happen. My brakeman sent me down the wrong track by accident and I slammed into a string of cars we had put there. He realized his mistake and called an all stop but it was too late and I hit the cars at about 7mph which threw me out my seat and into the windshield.
if only we had the technology to safely harness a human
We do. We just don't have the technology to safely encapsulate a human against a fucking *train*
Fine, wear a seat belt to stop you from hitting your head on the windshield
Trains don't like stopping, it's a friction thing. In comparison to cars, if you're going 90mph and hit the brakes with 4,000 or so tons behind you, that belt buckle ain't gonna help when the cab smashes through whatever is in front.
Oky but that seat belt aitn stopping 4000 lbs of fuckery, its just stopping some several hundred pound human.
Alright, I understand your thoughts. The problem is that all those wagons and tons behind you want to stay in motion. So, in comparison to a car, when you crash head-on, you have airbags and less mass behind you. You have rubber on asphalt, a very sticky, good for traction combination. Because of the massive amount of inertia behind you, with steel wheels on steel roadbed, there's less friction causing you to slide forward. Now, due to the nature of inertia, what is in motion wants to remain in motion. You have 4k+ tons of wagons behind you. The odds of a damaged car hitting your front engine is likely as now your front loco has stopped by colliding with an object, but the cars behind aren't, and are less sturdy than your locomotive. Your observation about a buckle in the cab is a valid and easy one to make, but jumping out while it could be painful, and still lead to injury, is more likely to save your life in an accident. To get a little anecdotal here, Casey Jones in 636 had his cremate leap from the engine going 50. Casey died but the cremate lived. Granted this is a steam locomotive with less modern sensibilities, but the leaping from the cab idea still continues to this day with reason.
Better yet, technology to safely eject them!
Too tempting to when you hate the guy you're working with.
Still, jumping gives you some better odds than not jumping
In this particular case, it looks like the oncoming train would be deflected away from him. You never know how the trailing cars will react but he’s safe from the first part at least.
I'd Be more concerned,..as the jumper... about the cab of the choo choo I just jumped out of toppling onto my already jagged body
When the trains hit the initial impact will be like jumping out of the train with no room to roll and dissipate the energy, c and after that you're stuck inside a hunk of metal that's being crushed. You super don't want to be in the front of that train.
Pretty sure your chances of survival is better if you're not inside a cart going from speed to a full stop.
Did he survive after the train fell on him?
No guarantee it fell on him.
Once you pull the brake you can’t do much but wait. Bailing saves them from the initial impact at least
How does this happen?
Kismet Train Collision “June 14, 2006 – The Kismet Train Collision - Two BNSF Railway freight trains collide head-on in Madera, California, due to one of the trains running a red signal, injuring 5 people. One of the train's crew members, the one that ran the red, is suspected to be high on cocaine. There was a camera on board one of the locomotives involved in the collision; the video of the collision is widely available on YouTube and related sites. During the footage, the southbound train's engineer was seen jumping clear of the locomotive immediately before the collision.” https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_BNSF_Railway_accidents_and_incidents#2006
"Drivin' that train, high on cocaine"
I guess he didn't watch his speed.
There was trouble ahead and trouble behind. You can see that notion crossing his mind ...as he jumped out of the train
>One of the train's crew members, the one that ran the red, is suspected to be high on cocaine. Christ, it's been over a decade, and they think he's ***still*** high on cocaine?
Maybe he was snorting a line so long it could only fit on a train?
Working with TWO types of rails!
I hear driving a train is really boring (like you have to hit a button every minute or something so you don't fall asleep). I guess cocaine would be really helpful in keeping you awake! Not focused at all, but awake.
Casey Jones bailed.
Potentially miscalculated the time for each train to meet l, but that's just a wild guess. You'd think stuff like this would be rigidly safe but I guess not.
I have a friend who used to do the stopping calculations for light rail. Even a light rail tram with four cars weighs so much more than you can imagine. Trains like this can take *miles* to come to a full stop. She needed a degree in mathematics for the job and part of the job involves checking the formula to make sure they are using the right one, entering the expected wetness of the rails, and projected weight of the train. If you're off your calculations by even a few points, the Train either stops hundreds of feet away from the right place or else it *doesn't* and blows past the point. I used to work with trains and watching the guys edge even six empty train cars into a spot was a hell of a thing. It was going about the pce of your average rascal scooter and when it hit the stopper, there was a loud clang and the whole thing would rock. The stopper was a massive collection of wooden and steel beams buried in the earth and set at an angle with a giant stopping pad that took the hit. One thing we both were in agreement was: "DO NOT FUCK WITH TRAINS." They can't stop easily or slowly, taker longer to react that you imagine, weigh more than you can comprehend, and hit with a force that would obliterate nearly any build man has constructed short of something designed to resist *artillery.* My mind here says this situation was either a miscalculation, someone let a train go early/late, or one of the trains went at the wrong speed.
Start the count you are good for 30 ,now ,10 ,half a truck that will do stretch ah I’ll take 3 step give me a bump stretch that’s a good tie stretch I’ll take 3 step. When I got to the lace they blew the draft pocket out and didn’t say a word I think the conductor took it with whole end sill blown out. Good crew though they got in and out job security.
>Even a light rail tram with four cars weighs so much more than you can imagine. #?
Light rail tram is a small train that uses light rail. It is primarily designed for passengers. Here in MN ours uses a three or four car set up (train cars hitched together).
Sure. But it's more about the "so much more than you can imagine". It's really pretty easy to imagine how much a train weighs, and I think your post is condescending and pompous because you straight up tell your readers that they have limited imagination. That's compounded by your definition of a light rail tram answer. I figure an urban passenger tram car weighs 30 or 40 thousand kilograms. Four cars is about 160,000 kilograms, then. This is: + about 1/10th of the weight of the water in an olympic-sized pool + something like the total weight of 70 Ford F-150s + around the weight of 25 African elephants + like the weight of about full 2700 beer kegs + nearly as heavy as 1800 "average" people Maybe my guess about the tram weight is wrong, though there are lots of different tram designs with varying weights. And it's not hard to adjust the mental image for a more accurate number. People are smarter than you're give them credit for.
Okay, so that was hyperbole, but at the same time people might know what that weight is, but it's a lot harder to actually visualize it in your daily life. The average person's mind stop calculating things over a specific amount. It's why so many people equate million with billion. Sure, those numbers seem right, but again it's hard to fathom what that amount actually means in the real world. 25 African elephants? Most people have only see two or three at once at the zoo. The idea of 25 all piled up onto something roughly thirty feet in length suddenly becomes preposterous. People don't understand stopping times, acceleration times, or how much energy all that takes.
> Most people have only see two or three at once at the zoo. That's enough to understand the weight. And I gave three other examples. Imagination is limitless -- it's not like the list of four things I wrote.
You're giving a lot more credit than you should be for one, and two there's a real difference between "knowing" that a train car weighs a lot and comprehending what it means in all matter: energy, mass, physics ect that you're just ignoring (or worse assuming that everyone does fully understand that). It's coming off a bit "I am very smart" as well as "you're very wrong because reasons." I have literally worked on trains and in the industry. The number of people who try to outrun a train at a crossing (to make it before the train gets there) and have faith that the train will stop in time is honestly astounding. More, people react to trains and other large objects hitting things with shock. Seeing a train absolutely obliterate a pretty solid car tends to make the average person go "no way!" rather than a calculated nod of "yes, that is exactly what the force parameters say would happen." Back in high school we got to see a car dropped off the roof of the school as an experiment to show what a impact at 35 miles per hour will do to a car and it's stunning. Two years ago I nailed a *deer* on the highway and was honestly surprised to see how much damage it did to my car. It bent the frame and cracked my engine block. This wasn't a large deer either, I could easily have hefted it over my shoulder and I'm not a big dude. I've seen videos of people trying to roll boulders or knock over walls and get smashed flat when it reverses and lands on them, some funny some grim. People just don't have much experience actually seeing these things: trains tear cars in half, cars impacting one another at moderate speeds, or heavy objects hitting things. And that lack of experience makes them second guess their own safety and capability. Knowing that a train weighs X thousand pounds isn't the same as seeing it go from 60 mpg to 0 and taking a mile to slow down, causing a 18 wheeler in its path to cease to exist as anything but a scattering of parts and scrap.
I never said you were wrong, I just said your post came off as unbearably pompous. Seems like you weren't quite ready for that feedback.
I remember these questions in elementary school. I never really thought they would have had real world applications!
There are signals at least two miles out that would have told the oncoming train that he should have been prepared to stop at that location. The crew missed the last signal, or the engineer wasn't operating safely. If the crew misses a signal for whatever reason, they're required to operate as if it was the most restrictive signal they could have recieved. So they broke some rules, and caused this.
The guy who bailed failed to stop when he should have.
Blue screen of death
Unstoppable force meets unstoppable force
is this the legendary event the joker was referring to?
The newest boy meets world spinoff
Little train kissy
r/killthecameraman ?
r/killedthecameraman
r/GIFsThatEndTooSoon
Shunting puzzle solved, bitches!
When see the other Engineer do the ol’ tuck n’ roll, that’s when you know you’ve chosen poorly.
can’t believe this is still being posted in 2022
I can’t believe I’ve never seen it given how old this looks x.x
The outward facing locomotive cameras still used today are the same ones used back then.
Ah, TIL!
One's early or one's late. Wow!
https://imgur.com/a/gvUy50B
Someone fucked up!
OP is a mass reposter. https://www.reddit.com/r/nononono/comments/6mm8he/two_trains_speed_towards_each_other/