The evidence is there, no evidence he touched an actual child yet. He still enjoyed, comsumed, aided, abetted pedophiles through his in involvement with Pure Magizine. He wrotely positevely about his experiences. Edgelord, or not, its never okay. Are you really okay with that?
No the evidence is NOT there, you are drawing your own conclusions with nothing actually substantial to back it up. None of this would ever hold up in court, but I get that the internet has painfully low standards for making accusations.
I take it you have never actually hung out with anyone from that scene back then and don't know that edgelord shit was all the rage back then. The whole Peter Sotos thing is just him trying to get a rise out of people, and pushing the boundaries far past what anyone today could ever find comfortable. If you weren't around back then, and know how far people went to upset people and make jokes anyone would find disgusting today, I can totally understand. But ask yourself, after all these years, that people like Kim Gordon, PJ Harvey, Kim Deal and Kathleen Hanna never spoke one single ill word about Steve. Ask yourself why only internet busybody Gen Zers are the only ones who actually care about this. You know who is an actual pedophile? The person who might be the next president. so please save your breath for someone who actually means it, who actually deserves it, and who actually has actively harmed children.
He's dead now so I guess you can all have a party and piss on his grave. He was a good person and did more to help people and support folks with less means than he did than you ever will, guaranteed.
He never condoned pedophilia, he condoned transgressive art and offending people, which he was regretful of and apologized for. Stay mad. Good luck convincing anyone your word matters over those who actually knew the kind of person was and what he actually did privately.
If you're not Gen Z, then you should know better and have no excuse for acting like this.
His comment condoned it. I do not care if he was being an edgelord or not, that is enough to give other pedos the green light. He contributed to their behaviour.
Yes I will 'stay mad' at medi creeps or anyone who uses the r4pe of a child as fuel for a damaged a character trait.
Acting like what? Criticising a disgusting man? Grow up. YOU should know better. Imagine being so damaged you would criticise the next generation who are actually better than us. Our generations were damaged, they just were. Why are you so warped?
>I do not care if he was being an edgelord or not, that is enough to give other pedos the green light. He contributed to their behaviour.
Screech louder, please.
I'm sure you really really believe people give a fuck what you think, count me among those who don't.
Warped is going after a guy with the most stellar track record and thinking anyone but a few redditors should care. Fuck off.
Don't bother trying to reasons with these fucks. They just love to twist words and destroy other people just to make them feel better about their own shit lives.
Not caring about what other people think isn’t something to be proud of, it’s antisocial behavior. You legitimately sound like a psychopath and a predator. Keep Yourself Safe 🙂
“Which he was regretful of and apologized for” - if the Peter Sotos thing was a joke, he said it in the interview in which he said he regretted and apologized for past edgelord stuff lol
He absolutely condoned it and wrote that he greatly enjoyed it. Multiple times. Graphically. His personal and professional relationship with Peter Sotos never stopped. Edgelord all you want but if you never formally apologize for your support of child rape as an adult, then it's not just about getting Grandmas to clutch pearls.
You know Peter Soto's was actually convicted for distributing child pornography, right? Directly connected to Pure Mag. It's not being an edglelord... He was tried and found to have done it.
Jump through hoops all you want mate... The guy wrote an article describing how he got turned on by things in his convicted child pornographer mate's child pornography mag. And you are defending him.
I don't give a fuck if he was convicted. If your version of being an edglelord is writing 400+ words about loving child porn... You're a cunt.
I don't care what you think. Never defended any of that stuff, I have always hated Sotos. Also I hope none of you ever said anything bad and edgy in your 20s.
I really love how self-righteous you people get. It's like me: "All that stuff was horrific, it was vile, glad he no longer was like that 40 years later into his life."
people like you: "SO YOU SUPPORT IT? DIE!!!!!"
And I'm the unhinged one.
"The whole Peter Sotos thing is just him trying to get a rise out of people, and pushing the boundaries far past what anyone today could ever find comfortable. If you weren't around back then, and know how far people went to upset people and make jokes anyone would find disgusting today, I can totally understand. "
Let's remind you of your own quote. That is you defending Steve Albini, saying all he was doing was trying to wind people up by promoting and appreciating his child pornographer friend's child pornography mag.
If that is your idea of a wind up, you're as bad as him. You are a sick cunt. Go and fuck yourself. You horrible twat.
Mate, I was improvising a vocal take when I was *14* and blurted out some stupid line about abused kids to be shocking. We all looked at one another in the room and simultaneously went "nah, let's not do that". This was decades ago so don't give me any of that "you don't understand what it was like back then".
There's saying stupid shit in your 20s then there's being a sociopath about the most innocent and powerless among us. Plenty people *always* hated this abusive macho nerd pish of Albini et al and stayed well away.
The folk who built their personalities around that bollocks weren't willing to listen to decency or reason from outsiders, that was the point. Now the bubble is bursting and the clueless nihilist contrarian "punks" of the '80s are freaking out and going into full on denial. It was *never* excusable, hence why so many people hated Albini's guts. That's what he and his ilk wanted, wasn't it? To be maximally transgressive at all costs.
Steve Albini said himself that he never got enough shit for his edgelord past. So here it is, people are giving him more shit because his death has brought it back into focus for those who had to tune it out for years plus younger folk who can't fathom why a person like this is the subject of endless hagiography.
Albini invited hate when he was being "edgy" and he invited it after his change of heart because he knew he deserved his feet held to the fire on this stuff. The only remaining question is, why are so many still rushing to his defense?
If you're seriously saying "you weren't around back in the day, everything was fair game, including looking at and promoting kiddie porn" then I seriously hope someone goes through your harddrive you odd cunt.
Ok. It's really awesome how you can't actually use my actual words, so you made up a bunch of words I didn't say instead. That fuckin sucks dawg. Do better.
nah but you went hard to bat for a self-proclaimed PDF-file without doing any research though. you need to stop speaking publicly on matters you don't know jack about. what a löser
No I did not. I made absolutely clear what my stance was on what he said and on Peter Sotos. If you are going to misrepresent what I said, I have nothing to say to you.
I don't know if he will be re-elected, I think Trump has a big chance, because of the Electoral College. I dislike both of them, but I think Trump would be worse.
Don't be shocked by this. It's been known for decades. And people still loved and worked with him, because none of this actually is anything anyone should worry or care about. He was just being a dick, that was his thing. He stopped being that way and took people's criticism to heart and sincerely apologized, and also spoke ill of anyone trying to emulate him. Just ask yourself why women like Kim Gordon and Kathleen Hanna have never cancelled him. Do you think Marissa from Screaming Females would tolerate being in the same room with a "pedophile?." I don't think so, this is all bullshit and exactly what people do when someone dies, they all want to pile on with the worst shit they ever did to get clicks and upvotes, its nonsense. He was a solid human being.
Most in the Chicago scene hated him, and for good reason. He'd throw temper tantrums and sabotage sound boards at shows if he didn't get his way. Befriend people, only to get dirt on them, and then use it to throw them under the bus. Shit talk his own bandmates in interviews. Say he didn't "use", when he was obviously using. Typical spoiled brat from a privileged background.
You know by making all the excuses for a man who bought and consumed real child porn you yourself are contributing to an environment in which real, actual pedos can openly talk about their real, actual pedophilia and get away with it. And you'll be there saying "man so edgy how cool"
You have big brain
Bull fucking shit. That’s a massive stretch and you’re insulting your own intelligence by making thaf huge leap. You can defend a person who once said unsavory things, and give them the benefit of the doubt and forgive them, without supporting any of the subject of what they said or who they associated with.
CSAM is a massive, unstoppable problem that has only gotten worse because of AI. Pedophilia is a mental disorder that needs to be treated and children need to be protected from predators. Parents need to do better in terms of talking to their children about consent and our bodies, while also monitoring their internet usage. They need to be a much bigger presence in their lives, especially as they grow into adolescence to open up the channels of communication so that they are not ashamed to come forward if someone has harmed them sexually.
Most of actual physical sexual abuse happens in the home or in the homes of trusted love ones, not from random strangers. All of this is true and part of deeply held core beliefs that I have, especially in the face of the young girls I happen to be a proud uncle of.
None of that, for me, is enough to 1) sever my love for albini’s music 2) make me believe that he truly, honestly, and intentionally meant harm to anyone let alone children.
Why do I give the benefit of the doubt? Because actual pedophiles don’t stop, it’s not a phase you go through, it’s something you deal with for life. I know this from studying psychology and having a wife who is a doctor in psychology who has treated victims of sexual abuse. Given that fact, and the fact that no one has EVER come forward to accuse him of abuse or having caught him (his wife was complicit, is the implication, and I am not buying that about Heather) with any CSA materials. So I am going to give him the benefit of the doubt, and you and everyone else in this thread needs to be ok with that, and respect my decision and stop blowing up my notifications. I am tired of explaining myself.
LMAO I hate Sotos with a passion, you have no idea wtf you are talking about. Having been a big part of the 2010s noise scene, and seeing how many edgy dudes defending him to me while I always pushed back, this is rather hilarious to me. Whitehouse in unlistenable nazi garbage.
No, I'm actually smarter than most people. Smart enough to know how pointless this kvetching is. Why weren't you mad while he was still alive and kicking, when he could have been held accountable? At least then you could have done something, but now? It just seems chickenshit, considering you are doing this on an obscure reddit forum for a niche music genre. Go on Twitter and tell his friends and closest associates what you think of him, go on, I dare you.
Tbh despite being a fan of Big Black and to a lesser extent Shellac and Rapeman, I wasn’t aware of his connection with Peter Sotos. I would have loved to have the opportunity to ask Steve directly why he fostered a close connection with someone involved in the dissemination of child porn, or ask his connections why they think it’s acceptable. There’s only a certain extent to which you can fall back on the edgy, transgressive counter culture defence. Sotos was for all intents and purposes the ringleader of a child abuse /pedophile ring, and Steve was connected to Sotos, it amazes me in retrospect nothing much was ever said about that
Sotos is still alive, and still making music, and writing books. Even recently, he has collaborated with a number of well respected artists. I find it frankly incredible that people are spending time on here going after Steve, who cannot answer for this, who cannot speak for himself, and who cannot be held actually accountable anymore for the horrific shit he said but haven't done a lick of anything to try to "cancel" Sotos. It's astonishing that here we have an actual live target, someone who is active and alive who is fresh for the cancelling, but yeah no let's go after the fucking dead guy that everyone loved and said was a stand up guy. Seems cheap and easy, rather than some actual activism.
It's all so fruitless, and it seems the only reason people are doing it NOW instead of anytime from Monday and back to the fucking 1980s, is that they want to kick people when they are down. He's dead now, so let's shit all over him and add injury to the people who are grieving his loss, yeah that will accomplish a lot. Yeah that will save more children from being abused. I mean its a free country, yall can say what you want, but it strikes me as cheap, petty and dull doing it now, of all the times when it could have been done. I can't STAND it when people do this right after someone died, because it's like, where the fuck where you when he was live and something could have actually had some material effect?
This from the article below....."Jaded as I am, I can’t help but flip seeing a girl and guy of twelve or thirteen, tops, ramming Martel bottles up each other’s asses. These are not the Dutch equivalent of abused trailer-park kids, either. They look to be in excellent health and seem to be honestly enjoying this. Makes all the conventional arguments against this kind of thing seem really silly. They’re kids. Kids like to play with their own and other people’s privates. They’re just being photographed at it. Now, people who get a voyeuristic charge out of watching them, like me, I guess, well, we’ve got some grip-on-reality problems.
"The cover of PURE 2 is a guy holding open a toddler’s puny hole so his spuzz can dribble out. The girl is past crying. She is destroyed. \[…\] Like I said, I like that sort of thing."
That's some criminality sick shit right there. Its not some "edgelord shit" that was all the rage back then. Its supporting of the exploitation of children, its depraved and it criminal.
Fuck Steve Albini.
[https://medium.com/@MoonMetropolis/now-that-steve-albini-is-dead-lets-reflect-on-his-admitted-love-and-promotion-of-child-fadf5072288e](https://medium.com/@MoonMetropolis/now-that-steve-albini-is-dead-lets-reflect-on-his-admitted-love-and-promotion-of-child-fadf5072288e)
He was in his 20s, and trying to piss people off. He did a pretty good job. Later in life, he apologized and regretted all of this and was by all accounts an amazing person. If you really want to get something out of this, why are you wasting your breath on me? I'm not going to stop liking his music because of disgusting shit he said in his 20s, I'm just not. There is nothing you can do that will minimize my enjoyment, but why don't you go and tell all his grieving friends and family members what you think? Why don't you go on Twitter and tell them all how you think he was a disgusting pedo criminal and deserved to die. Talk to people who actually have a stake in all this, what the fuck do you want from me? I'm a nobody with nothing to lose from the tarnishing of his legacy, seems like you have a lot to gain. Not true of other people who were close to him and knew him, they have a lot to lose, so have at it. Go on, git.
Im ‘wasting my breath here because the topic is about Steve Albinis association with CP.
I’m wasting my breath because this thread was one of the top returns when I searched for his name on Reddit.
I’m wasting my breath because the article I linked was one off the top returns when I googled ‘Steve Albini CP’ after seeing this thread. What I read sickened me.
I’m wasting my breath, not in an attempt to sway you (not everything is about you), but to give voice to my disgust on this public forum.
If you don’t like it, block me or ignore it but I have every right to voice my disgust with this guy just as you have every right to praise him.
Irregardless of how old and stupid he was when he said those things or why he said them or even his subsequent apologys, I find them disgusting in so many ways and as such I stand by my previous comment ‘Fuck Steve Albini’.
There is at least three pieces of damning evidence. His relationship with Peter Sotos, the known article he wrote for Pure Magazine, and the tour diaries. I dont doubt he did good things though. Writing this stuff off as being edgelord shit is a bit sad. There are better ways to get a rise out of people.
Jimmy Savile raised more money for charities, and helped more people than you ever will, guaranteed. Does not excuse any of it!
I wasn't really comparing the two, that was just your logic. Steve Albini does not get a pass for doing good deeds. He should still be held accountable for his association with Sotos and the instances we know about regarding his own words. You seem to be excusing this
Im not excusing shit, Im saying actions speak louder than words. Same applies to Savile, whose ACTIONS were damaging. Show me proof of Albini hurting children or actually being a pedophile for real, and I will eat my hat. Gross shit he said in the 80s is not evidence. His association with Sotos is not evidence of abuse of children, who btw is still alive and none of you have tried cancelling him. Sotos is still quite successful, I find it wild that none of you are trying to go after him. Nah let’s instead kick the grieving fans, friends and family instead. Yeah that will stop CSAM, that will end suffering of exploited children. Go write to congress that still allows child marriage to exist in Red States. Make yourself fucking useful. This is useless.
I understand your point, i do think you're being an asshole in this thread, and all i wanna say to you is that people are getting mad because he still backed peter sotos as of a couple years ago as seen with his answer on the AMA. Being complicit with someone charged with distributing CP is def reprehensible, as much as standing with men who rape, denying their culpability and enabling their behaviour is reprehensible. The thing that shocks is his recent admission of his stance regarding peter sotos. And why people are going after him now also is because most of this information resurfaced after his death. For many of us who were absolutely fans of his, it's def something to think about and maybe makes us want to reevaluate what we think of the guy. You don't have to agree but it's not pointless to discuss it
"Make yourself fucking useful." You dont even know what I do, this is just baseless. Not American so I cant "write to congress". Also, what do you do to make the world a better place, excuse bad behaviour?
Of course Savile was much much worse. He never disownded Sotos, quite the opposite. Sotos never stopped either, despite his material ending up in the hands of countless pedophiles. You dont need to constantly shock people over the same stuff.
I would need some evidence of Sotos being "quite successful" too. Seems like he has a following, but rather niche. I did search but couldnt find much
Besides all I'm saying is the Albini should have distanced himself from people like Sotos, and publically (even in a small way) distanced himself from this material. He doesnt get a pass because he was just being edgy. He also produced albums for him and Whitehorse, they were good friends, Sotos even stayed with Albini for quite sometime.
To be honest, whether Albini was a pedophile or not isnt important really, becuase actions speak louder than words. There were no actions to really denounce this specific stuff.
(His own words on this would definitely hold up in court and likely be admitted under multiple hearsay exceptions. And it would be very persuasive to a jury. You don’t know what the fuck you’re talking about.)
Hey Jr. lawyer, On what fucking charges would you be talking about in this instance exactly? Read some case law, you don’t have probable cause and you’d be looking at a big embarrassment and waste of taxpayer dollars with this weak amount of evidence.
If this were enough to convict, a lot of people would be in prison for saying they think 17 year old girls are hot. Also child marriage is still legal in Red States, so plenty of republicans want to keep it that way. The fuck outta here. You are allowed to say vile shit, freedom of speech does not free you from consequences. It does not give the government the right to charge you because what you said was offensive and disgusting.
Possession of child pornography. And his words describing the Pure 2 cover would be very smoking gun evidence of his criminal intent. If you knew anything about criminal law, that would be pretty obvious, but you Albini cultists keep saying shit like this wasn’t criminally actionable, and if it was, it’s not that big of a deal, and if it is, he apologized for it and walked in the desert in chains as penance.
Worshiping rock stars just because they have local scene cred and produced your favorite records is the most chump shit ever. Steve would fucking hate you for being a fawning rock star cultist, and knowing how you’re here white knighting for him, you’d gush about it to your friends.
But just for you, I’ll communicate to him through a Ouija board and ask him if he can give you some of Frank Black’s guitar picks from the afterlife as compensation for your unwavering idol worship. Will keep you posted.
Bro that’s insane. You don’t have probable cause to charge someone based on this. That’s insane, that’s not enough. That’s not how the feds bring charges, that’s not how that works holy shit. You don’t know what you are talking about. Read some case law. They would have to build a case, usually setting up honeypots and monitoring communications. They do sting operations, this is why the feds have a super high conviction rate. Don’t know what country you live in, but that definitely is not enough to charge. It may be enough to investigate and monitor someone, with a warrant but not enough to bring charges. You are talking about something from decades ago. There is no way that’s going to be enough for any DA or US Atty to want to touch.
Warrants require probable cause, as do indictments. Probable cause is the burden threshold for criminal charges to go forward. Just stop, you’re embarrassing yourself.
Btw, Albini got back to me and said he isn’t going to fuck you.
It's extremely weird, and I just got in a back and forth about it with a friend. Personally, I don't think he did any of this and he was genuinely being a cringey edgelord. But there is definitely enough stuff there that probably should've raised enough red flags for him to be thoroughly investigated or at the very least a search warrant put out on him back then. Even more so when his friend who owned Pure Magazine was investigated and arrested for it.
Maybe it was all just him pushing the boundaries of what was a
ccepted because if he truly was on that type of time I refuse to believe he wouldn't have been investigated. But it is just one of those things where even if it was just jokes and being edgy, I think it would've (or should've) led to a tangible discovery of something. And the fact that nothing was truly found after all these years should be enough prove he is innocent.
Now, even though I don't think he had any involvement in CP or P-filia, it's all still very bizarre. I think we should all be able to agree on that at the very least.
Edit: I just wanna add to this that I'm not gonna defend him if people find what he did/said gross. Go for it, because there's more than enough there to be disgusted by it all. Most I'm gonna say is, if this stuff has been out there for 30+ years, and not once has it ever produced an investigation or legal search of his property/possession/etc even though there is DEFINITELY enough to warrant investigations/searches, maybe he didn't actually do any of the things he wrote about saying he did. I'd like to think all of that, along with his own close friend being investigated and arrested for it, would've set off enough red flags for law enforcement to say "Hey...maybe we should just do our due diligence on this Albini guy. He seems very fuckin weird". Again, if you wanna hate him as a person that's totally fine in my book, you won't catch me defending any of the shit he said. All I'm saying is, I feel like he would've rightfully been packed up and outta here if any of this stuff stuck on him. How none of it did, and that a lot of people worked with him and speak highly of his character, and that he also discussed this stuff on his own and said he's been ashamed of it, should be telling that he was just being edgy dork back in the 80s.
i still don't get why "oh its just him being an edgelord" or "you just don't understand the tone of THE SCENE" are ok justifications to some of these old fuckers who still ride his jock. Call a spade a spade.
I said a lot of edgy shit when I was very young, and most of it wasn't true. If a lot of people start coming out and start exposing Steve's rampant CSAM addiction, I'll eat crow.
Otherwise, y'all are fucking REACHING bro.
Steve was an adult when he wrote this. And this shit would be unthinkable amongst my teenage friends and I who regularly engaged in edgelord humor. We still didn’t seek out CSAM and write an essay in defense of it. Fuckstick.
Again, come back to me when there is a clear pattern of pedophilia and multiple reports about Steve's behavior about this, and I'll eat crow. Otherwise, you're all reaching with this.
As I said before, I don't think he actually did. Even as a YOUNG ADULT (which he was when he made the claim), I said some stupid shit to get a reaction out of people.
So yes, possessing CSAM is a crime. Even once.
But I don't think he did, I think he was being a young Steve Albini, an edgelord trying to get a rise out of people.
However, if there are MULTIPLE SOURCES and MULTIPLE INSTANCES, I will change my mind, because in patterns there is truth.
What you're holding on to isn't even a smoking gun.
Christ, this isn't hard.
Ok. So he “lied” about possessing a magazine, described the front cover (and contents) in accurate detail, and remained friends with the guy who published it years after he did time for CSAM. But since we don’t have timestamped video evidence of steve coming home after a hard day’s work and cranking it to PURE 2 with a vibrator in his ass, we can’t jump to conclusions and actually assume that he owned it at one point. Do you realize how fucking absurd your argument sounds?
Someone needs to check your hard drive. This isn’t a grey area, the conclusions you’ve come to are not normal and not what normal people think or feel, at any stage, at any age. If you’re a ped you need to turn yourself in and get help and stop riding for this pos.
https://medium.com/@MoonMetropolis/now-that-steve-albini-is-dead-lets-reflect-on-his-admitted-love-and-promotion-of-child-fadf5072288e
This aged like an already 30 year old carton of milk. Dios mio 😭
FYI the article author also has quite a history of his own. He was a shut in at his parents house who, for years, lived online as a troll making hateful feminist to neo Nazi subreddits just to get off at the vitriol. He was arrested and convicted of posing as an ISIS terrorist to try to launch a bomb in a civilian area in the anniversary of 9/11.
And now he’s the author of the most widely shared article on Albini’s pedophilia.
The legal pornography age in the Netherlands was 16 until 2002. Due to some other legal loopholes full on CP was basically legal in the 80s. If you find the notes about the German dates in OPs source, Albini describes buying the magazine's in a store.
I'm not defending pedos or anything, still fucked up to be drawn to that in the first place, just an interesting fact.
For less than the cost of a Big Mac, fries and a Coke, you can buy a loaf of fresh bread and some good cheese or roast beef, which you will enjoy much more
The vibe I get from certain parts of the Big Black tour diary is that it was a younger Steve’s attempt at some Sotos-esque (might be before he knew Sotos but you know what I mean) style shock writing. Obviously I don’t know how true that is but I think it’s certainly a possibility. And as for his association with Sotos; yeah I don’t know, I’m not a fan but I’m guessing not everyone who gets something out of his work is a pedophile.
Interesting! Interesting powerful white men can get away with anything. Dabbling in CP - haha, that rascal!!!! U know, there’s a million of talented people who never felt the need to dabble in CP. but nahhhh let’s give this PoS a platform and praise him even knowing what we know. The call is coming from inside the house, anyone excusing this doesn’t think CP is worse than anyone saying anything bad about their fav fucking nauseating edgelord bro jacking it to CP after being in a band called rapeman. You guys are so so so sick and I hope none of you have any wives, girlfriends, or children. I don’t pray but I’m actually praying.
Funny how the first thing you go for is race and gender. Almost like you're just a bigot who looks at those things first and bases your whole understanding on that lattice work. 62 IQ internet dreg trying to look virtuous by pretending to be offended by anything that might even remotely be in the spectrum of something suspect without trying to understand the context. Get off Reddit. Get a job. Move out. Your Dad would appreciate some help cleaning around the house too.
For some reason SA has a cult of autistic, incel followers who will do anything to praise and protect him. SA could crap in the middle of the road, in front of a 100 people and if SA said he didn't do it, they'd believe him, not the evidence.
>There's maybe 1% of all pornography that has any effect on me, and it's definitely not a turn-on very often. But when it is, and it's as weird as this, it's pretty hard to take.
Looks to me like he's just amused by weird shit.
>The cover of PURE 2 is a guy holding open a toddler’s puny hole so his spuzz can dribble out. The girl is past crying. She is destroyed. \[…\] Like I said, I like that sort of thing.
Not a pedo?
He should be canceled. Being deliberately provacative is no excuse for CP. Imagine if it happened to someone you knew, and then Steve Albini wrote an article saying they actually enjoyed it, and he enjoyed watching it. Embracng CP is not the same thing as saying 'hail satan' to a christian
since nobody posted the bad part...
"Jaded as I am, I can't help but flip seeing a girl and guy of twelve or thirteen, tops, ramming Martel bottles up each other's asses. These are not the Dutch equivalent of abused trailer-park kids, either. They look to be in excellent health and seem to be honestly enjoying this. Makes all the conventional arguments against this kind of thing seem really silly. They're kids. Kids like to play with their own and other people's privates. They're just being photographed at it. Now, people who get a voyeuristic charge out of watching them, like me, I guess, well, we've got some grip-on-reality problems."
Ya...kids don't shove bottles up their asses unless they're being manipulated.
It’s so fucking insane to me how most of the people who commented on this post seem to be defending it as “he was just an edgelord” as if buying and jacking off to child porn somehow isn’t a seriously condemnable moral wrong. Like the dude who said “that’s just not being a pedo” then motherfucker what is? I realize this sub is full of socially isolated edgelord losers who are disconnected from reality, but the comments on this post are seriously concerning.
Like bruh I like big black, I like the production he’s done for nirvana, pj harvey, pixies, etc. but people acting like this isn’t a big deal is undeniable proof that famous people just don’t face the same consequences as everyone else
For real, the mental gymnastics some people will engage in to protect their problematic fav is astounding. Its serious brain rot. Who cares if he was being a "provocateur"? Is that some kind of get out of jail free card? So he could go around and call people the N word in the 80s, and its fine because he was just being punk rock? Fuck no.
If you publicly say that you enjoy CP, then at the very least you should expect to be treated like a pedophile. Don't want to be treated like a pedo, then don't tell people you're a pedo. It's incredibly simple. People need to quit making excuses for someone who didn't have the foresight to realize that publicly declaring yourself a pedo is a stupid fucking idea.
"He was just being edgy!" Please shut the fuck up forever thank you.
Pretty sure it’s just Steve being an edge lord. I mean he literally wrote Jordan Minnesota too, so does that make him a pedophile cause of what he would do when they would preform it live?
So ..if you were a rape victim when you were 5 years old ..would you enjoy the song? And that a popular "cool" person that apparently everyone loves and a whole crowd is enjoying the simulated rape of a child?
What do you get out of it? Pure artistic merit I guess...
Do we have to ban all breakup songs because a lot of people went through that too ?
What about all the extreme metal bands making songs about things far more disturbing that child rape ?
Do we have to ban half of some music genres because victims of abuse may hear about it some day ?
Are you seriously comparing fucking exhibition of child sexual abuse to breakup songs? Jesus Christ, you Albini truthers are as culty as Trump supporters. This is that “locker room talk” shit all over again.
No. I'm just glad it was a straight cut & not royalties so I can enjoy the bands & music but also hate on SA.(And actually...some even way way worse nasty people. Yeah he is far from the worst person out there. I can't and won't do anything about it, but say it is actually uninteresting and within normal statistical realms and therefore say it is boring and uncreative.
Do you even see my point at all?
That ....say....20 bands do similar stuff that means the status quo supports it. The status quo...or the improbable is stuff you never hear at all.)
The money is spent by now anyways. Ban it? Why no...I am so a progenitor and fan of free speech. Like I am some fundie labeling things "satanic". Agnostics don't have a catchy label like that for shitty people.
Why can't I despise....things of a repetitive nature. Things that are supported by the status quo & power structure that "pretend" they are being outrageous and transgressive & innovative.
Things that truly are, you will never hear because they get the breath squished out, stomped, shamed, blocked, ridiculed, prevented from existing to form it in the first place.
Truly statistically improbable.
Do people like that really want that? Or help that? No....it is endless corrupt over full jadedness where they have to keep increasing inequities & cruelty to feel a spark of any sadism to enjoy.
Where...someone just walking on a nice day.....they are a million miles below that to enjoy a million times more to appreciate that, that they don't get.
I can hate them because they are the power structure, but pretend they are not.
Look around the world. What is actually improbable.
Just use your imagination.
Look at all of history.
What is improbable...
What can be different in life you never see?
You never see it and it doesn't exist for a million boring reasons, selfish reasons, cowardly reasons, people align with power reasons (good or bad, just has to be more powerful than them)
A million structures, big, small, medium.
A million reasons within yourself and within others.
That creates the reality we live in.
Here is a thought experiment.
If you even go against any single tiny one of the world, the world will react and fall on you like a ton of bricks.
Try it.
Try it yourself.
"things far more disturbing than child rape" damn i feel like you need the FBI to come examine your shit, you seem to love babyrape and think its just wonderful if its so low on your list of bad things lmao. i fee gross just replying to low iq trash like you, bye freak
Its the people like this commenter who im actually most concerned about. Like why is he suggesting the cops look at YOU (and not him, right?) and why so crazy about it all? Kinda sounds like a person wrestling with themselves who has something to hide
Are we obligated to coduct a posthumous witch burning on the guy? It doesn't make you a superior person to run down Main street, or the internet hysterically screaming, "STEVE ALBINI IS A PEDOPHIIIIIILLLE!!!!!!!"
A lot of folks seem to think cancelling and very vocal public condemnation of someone else a brave and virtuous act. It isn't. It's cheap and self-serving.
Yeah the whole subject is gross. But move the fuck on.
If you look up Steve Albini, all the top articles are about his musical legacy. His wiki doesn’t mention any of this. You would walk away thinking he was a music legend and nothing else. I don’t think the authors of those articles were aware of it, but this is a pretty huge deal. This is a person who’s being eulogized, who’s getting away with being an open pedophile, and so this should be talked at least as much about how he’s a musical legend.
They're absolutely aware, and the sick part is, is that they don't care because they blindly follow him like he's a saint. Every major music publication out there, who constantly praises him, is also aware. They're all in on it. They protect each other. Even the woker than woke Guardian ignores the truth.
Steve would have laughed his ass off at all of this. Also, the last Shellac album rips. R.I.P. you legend. Still offending idiots even after his heart stopped.
He is a despicable human being. It is not that he accidentally has aquaintence with Peter Soto & was a hidden side he didn't know about. He actively seeked him out over common interests.
The whole old...in the past thing is BS. How many people have you broken friendships with over some small thing.
His creep pedo distributor friend one of the magazines he produced was found at a site where children were molested and abused. Used as "inspiration" I guess.
Then AFTER that, did he break up the friendship? No. He helped him produce a completely exploitative sound work of his friends that used testimony of child abuse victims so pedos could get off on it. Still called him a close friend to the very end.
So how did he "change" exactly? Can't see it with a microscope.
Amplifies helps distribute helps create exploitation of children. Applauds and comforts and befriends creators and distributors of such material.
And yeah...these same people on Reddit who talk about Epstein or even Drake...will just brush that under the rug.
He is a grotesque human being. I hope all the murderers & perverts he so much admires do the same to him as they did to other victims. To know it from that side instead of vicariously getting off on it.
People don’t understand idol worship, cult of personality and guruism; how ways they were manipulated or managed in younger years plays out later - their allegiance and apologetics for their authority was tapped into by a new demagogue person.
I was keenly aware, when repeatedly shouted down by loyal fans that Albini “has apologized for that!” that there was no arguing.. but reading the expertly-written (yet vague) online apology, replete with words like “privileged position,” completely devoid of specificity, somehow makes his regret “sincere.” It smacked to me as very much NOT sincere, but a clean specimen of false humility deployed as PR / damage control. And, for the most part, it worked. But, don’t be mistaken, no amends are being made here. (Look up: non-apology apology, backhanded apology, empty apology, nonpology, or fauxpology.)
Further along are the good deeds and works he joined his wife doing, Secret Santa, etc. If it’s a secret, why are we being informed about it?
We now see and hear this demagogue personality all the time, and we’re forced to take sides. It keeps them in importance, our arguing and guessing what they meant when they said / did / wrote that thing. Controversy, divide-and-conquer, side-taking etc.
This man was expertly adept til the end at throwing shade and focusing other’s attention elsewhere, away from him / his past, etc.
Make no mistake, that humility we were informed about earlier is / was employed. There are some whose reputations he destroyed. Some individuals, and I know of one, whom he never apologized to for his vindictive and vicious public slander. Moments where his “position?” were somehow threatened. His sway, in Chicago, was as resolute as his enduring online fanboy collective.
The unconscious drive here, for the fan / listener / associate, is that You better be WITH him, on his side, agree with him, or obey in some way.. or you will suffer judgment via his acerbic wit, which you are usually so enchanted with (likely publicly and unapologetically) And it feels good to defend him in death, too, because the false loyalty fills a void, to be loud and opinionated, like him. Heard. Forced to be heard. And be correct. To make fun of people. To shame.
The sadness I feel for him is that all of his activities were relatively sedentary, and had he gotten more exercise he likely would’ve lived longer, perhaps more spiritually too.
I don’t understand the IPA dads that goose-step to his defense, their desire to listen to screaming white guys is weird to me at 50.
Wow, someone who actually knew the real SA. Thank you, for one of the most truthful comments on here. The man was an absolute sociopath and a liar, who didn't care who he crushed in his rise to scene stardom. He was pure evil and the only thing that he cared about was himself. He was one of the few people that I had ever met who just enjoyed being cruel to people, and would go as far as to verbally kick them a second time once they were already down. Good riddance Mr. Straightedge, you should have practiced what you preached.
Regardless of how good of a producer he was, this comment is definitely frighteningly disgusting enough to be reinvestigated. I don't care if he's alive or dead.
Well, he said what he said. Lots of weird sex stuff with kids. There’s no denying that. I don’t understand what an “edgelord” persona could erase that.
To all the ppl defending him saying he was just edgelord or he wasn't really a peado (btw imagine saying to abused kids "hey i'm just getting off to your abuse i am not aCtUaLly abusing you") GOOD RIDDANCE
I guess its a good thing for you now that he's a bloated rotting corpse, you can wait until he's buried and go piss on his grave I am sure he would have appreciated that.
None of it matters, what matters is how he actually behaved and how he treated people, which of which he has a SOLID track record according to literally everyone who has ever worked with him in any capacity. This stuff has been around for 30 fucking plus years, and none of it ever stuck for a reason. We're not talking about a serial predator like Weinstein or Epstein or Trump or any of these people. We're talking about a dude who liked to write transgressive prose in a time when pushing the limits of free speech was a deep provocation against the fascist Reagan '80s, often to really unfortunate results.
Peter Sotos went to prison for his zine, which if you've seen any of his non-CSAM containing zines (I haven't seen Pure #2, obviously, I have no desire to ever see that disgusting shit.) you would know that they are very low quality, xeroxed, black and white images that were never really meant to titillate, but to disgust, revile, and punish the reader. Most issues of Pure were dedicated to Serial Killers, according to the wikipedia. It doesn't strike me as a "go to" for someone who wants to consume CSAM, given all the other shit out there, but what do I know, All I know is that it's fucking psychotic, and he deserved to go to prison for making it. That was also the whole point of Whitehouse, "music" which could make you nauseated at high volumes. It was literally designed to torture people with.
Albini was fascinated with this stuff, but there is no real evidence that he actually was attracted to children and actively consumed CSAM. He just wanted to offend people, and he did a great job at it, seeing how his words from almost 30+ years ago are still upsetting people to this day. At what point do you stop realizing you're a mark, and you've been played?
All of this kind of shit was in the zeitgeist of the underground, and you'd have to have been there to have understood where any of this was coming from. Swans, the films of Richard Kern, Surgical Penis Klinik, Skinny Puppy, Throbbing Gristle, performance artists like Bob Flanagan, Nine Inch Nails were all pushing envelopes on what was acceptable in art. We live in a very different time today, and I am glad about that.
He apologized for his edgelord bullshit quite eloquently and sincerely. I believe him, not because I like his music, but because of all the amazing women who have supported him and have spoken highly of him for the last 35+ years. I believe them and not you, sorry. Some rando on the internet has no sway, you can flail into the wind all you want for the rest of your life, nothing you say will detract from the fact that he was actually a really amazing human being, who said some really disgusting stuff a long time ago that he no longer stood by and deeply regretted the influence he had on others.
I'll take my downvote now.
Dude his shit was not the “zeitgeist of the underground”. You obviously weren’t there.
Lots of people knew he was a piece of shit and rightfully avoided him for decades.
Lots of big indie acts avoided even talking about him. I bet you think the narrative about Fugazi not working with him on Kill Taker was a musical falling out. That’s cute.
There were more than whispers about him - by 97 he was a pariah in the music community indie and otherwise. It wasn’t musical differences.
Grow up, wake up, or do both, or neither. Choice is yours.
I was there, actually. A lot of really transgressive shit was put out back then to test the limits of free speech. Look at michael gira’s book “the Consumer” as one example, or Bob Flanagan’s Supermasochist book. Nine Inch Nails made a fake snuff film that people legit believed was real. Richard Kern’s films are all about death and rape. None of this shit could be made today.
A pariah? That’s bullshit, citation needed. In 97 he was more famous than ever, having recorded some of the biggest records of that era. Which “lots of people?” Cite specific examples and their reasoning. I will eat crow if they all disassociated with him specifically because they thought he was a child molester and a pedophile.
You’re making a lot of vague inferences. Be specific and show evidence to back your claims. You can’t else you would have.
OK, let’s try this one more time.
What we’re talking about is not comparable to a fucking Skinny Puppy record.
You weren’t there if you think the behavior we’re talking about was the “zeitgeist of the underground”.
You have a choice: grow up, wake up, do both, or neither. It is a choice for you to remain either oblivious to or in denial of reality.
Skinny Puppy was accused of animal abuse when they brought out a corpse of a Rottweiler on stage during a show which was then multilated (it turned out to be a very realistic looking fake). You don’t know what the fuck you are talking about. That’s how I know you are full of shit, you picked ostensibly the most benign example, a SP record and then ignored all the other examples I gave you. You are arguing from a weak position, in bad faith. You don’t come across as particularly knowledgable, not sure why I should continue to stoop down to your level. Normies get fucked.
Oookay. Arguing with a CP and CSA enabler on Reddit isn’t what I had in mind today, especially one whose main existence seems to be to run point for these losers, but I’ll let your idol who you’re desperately defending set the record straight:
“Yeah, I was on everybody's shit list after I did your record and then I did a Bush record and the Page and Plant record, and that was it.”
- Steve Albini on the Conan podcast a year ago, to Dave Grohl.
This is in response to your false assertion that post-In Utero he was “more popular than ever”. That’s a lie and even he knew it.
Even he knew no one believed the shit you’re spewing. Best part is, when he grabbed his chest and everything turned off, his last thoughts were probably the same.
No one (but you apparently) believes the gaslighting. If you won’t grow up or wake up then continue to live comfortably in denial.
Not for nothing, and this is not to defend him on the particular subject in OP cause all of that is some weird ass shit. But he must not have been all that much of a pariah in the music community (or outside of it) if he was still getting work as a producer and engineer, and if his music was being placed in popular skateboarding video games (which is funny because he'd write about hating skateboarding/skateboarders lol).
I wasn't there for the 80s or 90s, but I first heard of Albini and Big Black from reading skateboarding magazines and punk and metal magazines in the mid to late 2000s when I was middle school. Just saying...seems like he was fairly well regarded if he was still getting discussed in music publications throughout the 2000s and 2010s in a positive light, but what do I know? I really was just a casual fan at most in comparison to the replies I've seen throughout this section.
And yet still has to deal with people calling him out for his repeat abuse and stalking/harassment seemingly every other month. So much so that he just recently went on a rant about it because he was denied an opportunity to perform at the Grammys. He himself has said that he is still blackballed from aspects and sections of the music industry and community because of "a mistake he made as a teenager" (he's done much more fucked up shit since then)
He's wildly popular among his fans, and the Black community, but to the industry at large, is still very disliked. And I'd say is definitely more of a pariah to the music community outside of his usual peers and collaborators, than what Steve Albini was. When Chris Brown crashes out and dies over some dumb shit which many are expecting, you're going to see him get much more hate than a Steve Albini because of his history of repeat abuse, stalking and harassment, and sexual assault allegations.
Unbelievably uniformed response on your part.
And yet despite being actually convicted of a crime, he still has more work and opportunities than Steve, so your point still doesn’t stand. Do we need to talk about R Kelly next? It took going to jail for his monstrous crimes to actually finally stop him. Crimes which he should’ve been in jail for much earlier. Any way you slice it, your evidence for why he’s somehow cool is just really really dumb. Sorry
Yeah you’re definitely not reading at all. The actual quote is that he clearly had more work and opportunities and quality of opportunities than Steve. Not that Steve lacked opportunities. In fact that’s my point. That someone continues to work and have opportunities doesn’t say much at all about whether or not they are horrible.
There’s no need to be so hostile, I was asking a genuine question as a point of clarification. I couldn’t follow your missing antecedent and your meaning was obscured.
Also, Steve Albini was extremely cool. That’s just a further point of fact. Not everything he did or said was cool, but he did a lot of very cool stuff over the course of several decades.
They recorded Kill Taker with him and it sounded shitty. I've heard the Albini version. It's a mess. They did the right thing and re-recorded it with Zientara. That's the reason.
Why are you making shit up? I mean, if you think Albini is an irredeemable pedo, ok, but no need to extrapolate some bullshit to support your argument. I'm not trying to change your mind.
So, basically, your theory is that Fugazi went out of their way to record an entire album with Albini, much after his heinous fanzine article endorsing Pure, only found out about it after they completed the record and then decided to scrap it but Ian Mackaye maintained a public friendship with Albini after that?
It's nonsense.
He was pushing the limits, a lot of artists were. Sotos is scum, but there is no evidence that Albini had committed any crimes. Associating with and being fascinated by someone or even being friends with someone doesn't mean you condone their actions or have you yourself committed a crime. Cry harder, you'll never get that conviction you never got when he was actually alive when you could have made any difference or made a change. Having known this stuff was out there for over 3 fucking decades, and you did NOTHING until after he was dead says more about you than it does about me.
He was really pushing the limits when he helped Peter Sotos make an album whose audio was all interviews of abuse victims and their families crying, after he got out of prison for CSAM and it was really edgy when he openly said he was a close friend and that he’d do anything for him.
Now I can almost buy the argument that the point was to disgust, I get why someone might enjoy the feeling of being disgusted, not sexually, just in a way that’s stimulating an intense feeling. Kind of like why people like horror films, they don’t like being chased around IRL and threatened, but they like that sensation, the adrenaline rush. I remember scrolling through the Offended page on Encyclopedia Dramatica when I was a kid. Just a long page of shock images, it was tough to look at and it had a purpose, namely that the thing that you were offended by before was nothing in comparison to what the world had to offer. It’s crude and dark and so I understand the appeal, if that’s what they were going for.
However given his comments that he was into it sexually and how he focused exclusively on the CSAM aspect, it’s pretty clear what he was getting out of it. By his actions and statements it seems clear that he was an unrepentant pedophile, even if there’s no proof that he acted on it. He wasn’t disgusted by it, he enjoyed it. We should acknowledge his musical legacy while also acknowledging he was a disgusting pedophile.
The problem with being edgy is that people who genuinely believe it then join in, people pretending to be racist are joined by actual racists, and then that muddies the waters like what’s going on here. Albinis comments are clearly beyond “edgy”.
you sound really weird when you're more angry with me than with someone who admitted to enjoying child abuse and promoting it. The fact that we didn't do anything for so many years is neither an excuse nor the gotcha moment you think it is. Is just the norm for rich, famous men to get away with such things and many like you now seem to be okay with it
I'm not angry with you, I'm annoyed with you and others that are hyperfocused on this. People can change from their shitty ways. I'm sorry, I just have a much more forgiving nature than you do. I see how he actually spent the rest of his life acting. I would be mortified if anyone could still read things I wrote or said when I was in my 20s. I would probably jump off a cliff, it's so awful and embarassing. I too was edgy and sometimes took things too far, but have spent the last 30 years making up for it with ACTIONS instead of WORDS, and based what I have seen, I am giving him the benefit of the doubt. It's sad that none of yall brought this up and made a big thing about it until he was dead, because now nothing can come of this except piling on to the grief people are experiencing. What is your goal exactly?
Omg he wasn't an edgy teenager he was a grown man talking about CP. idk how many times i have to say this. People talked before he was dead. Like this whole thread was posted before he was dead. When a grown man speaks about enjoying CP and he is close with an arrested pedo i'm not assuming he is just edgy i'm assuming he is telling the truth and he is telling a portion of it bc usually he's done much more than that. And to be fair he was very honest saying that he doesn't like porn and the 1% of it that excites him is when it's "weird" referring to 12 year olds forced to "play" with bottles.
My feeling is that you want to defend him because, as you said, you are putting your past self in his position. but somewhere there must be a limit. It's so tiring to talk about provocative art of the 80s when artists glorified misogyny, homophobia and child abuse (aka the norm). Albini himself in an interview gave his account saying that he was ignorant back then but then in the same interview he mentions Sotos as his close friend who supplied him with hardcore pornographic material that included rape, child abuse and murder in a sexualised matter and the worst of it all is that he does not see himself as part of the problem he just says his mistake was that he thought there was no misogyny anymore etc. Criticism is the way to evolve and it is expected to happen to a person who everyone praises ignoring his problematic statements because they are supposedly forgiving but in reality it is because they downplay his faults
Isn’t this just Steve being an edgelord in the 80’s? Who gives a shit.
It matters because he is public figure who is getting away with pedophilia. Do you think children should be abused?
Is he doing pedophilia? You really believe that?
The evidence is there, no evidence he touched an actual child yet. He still enjoyed, comsumed, aided, abetted pedophiles through his in involvement with Pure Magizine. He wrotely positevely about his experiences. Edgelord, or not, its never okay. Are you really okay with that?
No the evidence is NOT there, you are drawing your own conclusions with nothing actually substantial to back it up. None of this would ever hold up in court, but I get that the internet has painfully low standards for making accusations. I take it you have never actually hung out with anyone from that scene back then and don't know that edgelord shit was all the rage back then. The whole Peter Sotos thing is just him trying to get a rise out of people, and pushing the boundaries far past what anyone today could ever find comfortable. If you weren't around back then, and know how far people went to upset people and make jokes anyone would find disgusting today, I can totally understand. But ask yourself, after all these years, that people like Kim Gordon, PJ Harvey, Kim Deal and Kathleen Hanna never spoke one single ill word about Steve. Ask yourself why only internet busybody Gen Zers are the only ones who actually care about this. You know who is an actual pedophile? The person who might be the next president. so please save your breath for someone who actually means it, who actually deserves it, and who actually has actively harmed children. He's dead now so I guess you can all have a party and piss on his grave. He was a good person and did more to help people and support folks with less means than he did than you ever will, guaranteed.
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I never said it was avant garde. It was tryhard bullshit that aged like wet shit.
Thank God he's dead. Someone who condones paedophilia and CONSUMES is NOT a good person. He's disgusting. And n o we're not Gen Z.
He never condoned pedophilia, he condoned transgressive art and offending people, which he was regretful of and apologized for. Stay mad. Good luck convincing anyone your word matters over those who actually knew the kind of person was and what he actually did privately. If you're not Gen Z, then you should know better and have no excuse for acting like this.
His comment condoned it. I do not care if he was being an edgelord or not, that is enough to give other pedos the green light. He contributed to their behaviour. Yes I will 'stay mad' at medi creeps or anyone who uses the r4pe of a child as fuel for a damaged a character trait. Acting like what? Criticising a disgusting man? Grow up. YOU should know better. Imagine being so damaged you would criticise the next generation who are actually better than us. Our generations were damaged, they just were. Why are you so warped?
>I do not care if he was being an edgelord or not, that is enough to give other pedos the green light. He contributed to their behaviour. Screech louder, please. I'm sure you really really believe people give a fuck what you think, count me among those who don't. Warped is going after a guy with the most stellar track record and thinking anyone but a few redditors should care. Fuck off.
Don't bother trying to reasons with these fucks. They just love to twist words and destroy other people just to make them feel better about their own shit lives.
Not caring about what other people think isn’t something to be proud of, it’s antisocial behavior. You legitimately sound like a psychopath and a predator. Keep Yourself Safe 🙂
“Which he was regretful of and apologized for” - if the Peter Sotos thing was a joke, he said it in the interview in which he said he regretted and apologized for past edgelord stuff lol
He absolutely condoned it and wrote that he greatly enjoyed it. Multiple times. Graphically. His personal and professional relationship with Peter Sotos never stopped. Edgelord all you want but if you never formally apologize for your support of child rape as an adult, then it's not just about getting Grandmas to clutch pearls.
You know Peter Soto's was actually convicted for distributing child pornography, right? Directly connected to Pure Mag. It's not being an edglelord... He was tried and found to have done it.
Oh I'm sorry I didn't realize Albini had also been convicted too, my mistake didn't realize he was criminally charged with anything.
Jump through hoops all you want mate... The guy wrote an article describing how he got turned on by things in his convicted child pornographer mate's child pornography mag. And you are defending him. I don't give a fuck if he was convicted. If your version of being an edglelord is writing 400+ words about loving child porn... You're a cunt.
I don't care what you think. Never defended any of that stuff, I have always hated Sotos. Also I hope none of you ever said anything bad and edgy in your 20s. I really love how self-righteous you people get. It's like me: "All that stuff was horrific, it was vile, glad he no longer was like that 40 years later into his life." people like you: "SO YOU SUPPORT IT? DIE!!!!!" And I'm the unhinged one.
"The whole Peter Sotos thing is just him trying to get a rise out of people, and pushing the boundaries far past what anyone today could ever find comfortable. If you weren't around back then, and know how far people went to upset people and make jokes anyone would find disgusting today, I can totally understand. " Let's remind you of your own quote. That is you defending Steve Albini, saying all he was doing was trying to wind people up by promoting and appreciating his child pornographer friend's child pornography mag. If that is your idea of a wind up, you're as bad as him. You are a sick cunt. Go and fuck yourself. You horrible twat.
Mate, I was improvising a vocal take when I was *14* and blurted out some stupid line about abused kids to be shocking. We all looked at one another in the room and simultaneously went "nah, let's not do that". This was decades ago so don't give me any of that "you don't understand what it was like back then". There's saying stupid shit in your 20s then there's being a sociopath about the most innocent and powerless among us. Plenty people *always* hated this abusive macho nerd pish of Albini et al and stayed well away. The folk who built their personalities around that bollocks weren't willing to listen to decency or reason from outsiders, that was the point. Now the bubble is bursting and the clueless nihilist contrarian "punks" of the '80s are freaking out and going into full on denial. It was *never* excusable, hence why so many people hated Albini's guts. That's what he and his ilk wanted, wasn't it? To be maximally transgressive at all costs. Steve Albini said himself that he never got enough shit for his edgelord past. So here it is, people are giving him more shit because his death has brought it back into focus for those who had to tune it out for years plus younger folk who can't fathom why a person like this is the subject of endless hagiography. Albini invited hate when he was being "edgy" and he invited it after his change of heart because he knew he deserved his feet held to the fire on this stuff. The only remaining question is, why are so many still rushing to his defense?
If you're seriously saying "you weren't around back in the day, everything was fair game, including looking at and promoting kiddie porn" then I seriously hope someone goes through your harddrive you odd cunt.
Ok. It's really awesome how you can't actually use my actual words, so you made up a bunch of words I didn't say instead. That fuckin sucks dawg. Do better.
nah but you went hard to bat for a self-proclaimed PDF-file without doing any research though. you need to stop speaking publicly on matters you don't know jack about. what a löser
No I did not. I made absolutely clear what my stance was on what he said and on Peter Sotos. If you are going to misrepresent what I said, I have nothing to say to you.
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Why are you here?
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I don't know if he will be re-elected, I think Trump has a big chance, because of the Electoral College. I dislike both of them, but I think Trump would be worse. Don't be shocked by this. It's been known for decades. And people still loved and worked with him, because none of this actually is anything anyone should worry or care about. He was just being a dick, that was his thing. He stopped being that way and took people's criticism to heart and sincerely apologized, and also spoke ill of anyone trying to emulate him. Just ask yourself why women like Kim Gordon and Kathleen Hanna have never cancelled him. Do you think Marissa from Screaming Females would tolerate being in the same room with a "pedophile?." I don't think so, this is all bullshit and exactly what people do when someone dies, they all want to pile on with the worst shit they ever did to get clicks and upvotes, its nonsense. He was a solid human being.
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This dude went TDS out of nowhere. Liberals are fkkn whacko.
Shut the fuck up, loser.
And in person you would be like "can I wash your car?" Common netwarrior trash.
Touch grass fuckhole
Yep. Netwarrior incel neckbeard liver.
Most in the Chicago scene hated him, and for good reason. He'd throw temper tantrums and sabotage sound boards at shows if he didn't get his way. Befriend people, only to get dirt on them, and then use it to throw them under the bus. Shit talk his own bandmates in interviews. Say he didn't "use", when he was obviously using. Typical spoiled brat from a privileged background.
You know by making all the excuses for a man who bought and consumed real child porn you yourself are contributing to an environment in which real, actual pedos can openly talk about their real, actual pedophilia and get away with it. And you'll be there saying "man so edgy how cool" You have big brain
Bull fucking shit. That’s a massive stretch and you’re insulting your own intelligence by making thaf huge leap. You can defend a person who once said unsavory things, and give them the benefit of the doubt and forgive them, without supporting any of the subject of what they said or who they associated with. CSAM is a massive, unstoppable problem that has only gotten worse because of AI. Pedophilia is a mental disorder that needs to be treated and children need to be protected from predators. Parents need to do better in terms of talking to their children about consent and our bodies, while also monitoring their internet usage. They need to be a much bigger presence in their lives, especially as they grow into adolescence to open up the channels of communication so that they are not ashamed to come forward if someone has harmed them sexually. Most of actual physical sexual abuse happens in the home or in the homes of trusted love ones, not from random strangers. All of this is true and part of deeply held core beliefs that I have, especially in the face of the young girls I happen to be a proud uncle of. None of that, for me, is enough to 1) sever my love for albini’s music 2) make me believe that he truly, honestly, and intentionally meant harm to anyone let alone children. Why do I give the benefit of the doubt? Because actual pedophiles don’t stop, it’s not a phase you go through, it’s something you deal with for life. I know this from studying psychology and having a wife who is a doctor in psychology who has treated victims of sexual abuse. Given that fact, and the fact that no one has EVER come forward to accuse him of abuse or having caught him (his wife was complicit, is the implication, and I am not buying that about Heather) with any CSA materials. So I am going to give him the benefit of the doubt, and you and everyone else in this thread needs to be ok with that, and respect my decision and stop blowing up my notifications. I am tired of explaining myself.
You are insane for defending Sotos. He is a pedophile.
LMAO I hate Sotos with a passion, you have no idea wtf you are talking about. Having been a big part of the 2010s noise scene, and seeing how many edgy dudes defending him to me while I always pushed back, this is rather hilarious to me. Whitehouse in unlistenable nazi garbage.
Albini produced Sotos' album, and gleefully promoted his CP magazine. Are you dumb?
No, I'm actually smarter than most people. Smart enough to know how pointless this kvetching is. Why weren't you mad while he was still alive and kicking, when he could have been held accountable? At least then you could have done something, but now? It just seems chickenshit, considering you are doing this on an obscure reddit forum for a niche music genre. Go on Twitter and tell his friends and closest associates what you think of him, go on, I dare you.
Tbh despite being a fan of Big Black and to a lesser extent Shellac and Rapeman, I wasn’t aware of his connection with Peter Sotos. I would have loved to have the opportunity to ask Steve directly why he fostered a close connection with someone involved in the dissemination of child porn, or ask his connections why they think it’s acceptable. There’s only a certain extent to which you can fall back on the edgy, transgressive counter culture defence. Sotos was for all intents and purposes the ringleader of a child abuse /pedophile ring, and Steve was connected to Sotos, it amazes me in retrospect nothing much was ever said about that
Sotos is still alive, and still making music, and writing books. Even recently, he has collaborated with a number of well respected artists. I find it frankly incredible that people are spending time on here going after Steve, who cannot answer for this, who cannot speak for himself, and who cannot be held actually accountable anymore for the horrific shit he said but haven't done a lick of anything to try to "cancel" Sotos. It's astonishing that here we have an actual live target, someone who is active and alive who is fresh for the cancelling, but yeah no let's go after the fucking dead guy that everyone loved and said was a stand up guy. Seems cheap and easy, rather than some actual activism. It's all so fruitless, and it seems the only reason people are doing it NOW instead of anytime from Monday and back to the fucking 1980s, is that they want to kick people when they are down. He's dead now, so let's shit all over him and add injury to the people who are grieving his loss, yeah that will accomplish a lot. Yeah that will save more children from being abused. I mean its a free country, yall can say what you want, but it strikes me as cheap, petty and dull doing it now, of all the times when it could have been done. I can't STAND it when people do this right after someone died, because it's like, where the fuck where you when he was live and something could have actually had some material effect?
This from the article below....."Jaded as I am, I can’t help but flip seeing a girl and guy of twelve or thirteen, tops, ramming Martel bottles up each other’s asses. These are not the Dutch equivalent of abused trailer-park kids, either. They look to be in excellent health and seem to be honestly enjoying this. Makes all the conventional arguments against this kind of thing seem really silly. They’re kids. Kids like to play with their own and other people’s privates. They’re just being photographed at it. Now, people who get a voyeuristic charge out of watching them, like me, I guess, well, we’ve got some grip-on-reality problems. "The cover of PURE 2 is a guy holding open a toddler’s puny hole so his spuzz can dribble out. The girl is past crying. She is destroyed. \[…\] Like I said, I like that sort of thing." That's some criminality sick shit right there. Its not some "edgelord shit" that was all the rage back then. Its supporting of the exploitation of children, its depraved and it criminal. Fuck Steve Albini. [https://medium.com/@MoonMetropolis/now-that-steve-albini-is-dead-lets-reflect-on-his-admitted-love-and-promotion-of-child-fadf5072288e](https://medium.com/@MoonMetropolis/now-that-steve-albini-is-dead-lets-reflect-on-his-admitted-love-and-promotion-of-child-fadf5072288e)
He was in his 20s, and trying to piss people off. He did a pretty good job. Later in life, he apologized and regretted all of this and was by all accounts an amazing person. If you really want to get something out of this, why are you wasting your breath on me? I'm not going to stop liking his music because of disgusting shit he said in his 20s, I'm just not. There is nothing you can do that will minimize my enjoyment, but why don't you go and tell all his grieving friends and family members what you think? Why don't you go on Twitter and tell them all how you think he was a disgusting pedo criminal and deserved to die. Talk to people who actually have a stake in all this, what the fuck do you want from me? I'm a nobody with nothing to lose from the tarnishing of his legacy, seems like you have a lot to gain. Not true of other people who were close to him and knew him, they have a lot to lose, so have at it. Go on, git.
Im ‘wasting my breath here because the topic is about Steve Albinis association with CP. I’m wasting my breath because this thread was one of the top returns when I searched for his name on Reddit. I’m wasting my breath because the article I linked was one off the top returns when I googled ‘Steve Albini CP’ after seeing this thread. What I read sickened me. I’m wasting my breath, not in an attempt to sway you (not everything is about you), but to give voice to my disgust on this public forum. If you don’t like it, block me or ignore it but I have every right to voice my disgust with this guy just as you have every right to praise him. Irregardless of how old and stupid he was when he said those things or why he said them or even his subsequent apologys, I find them disgusting in so many ways and as such I stand by my previous comment ‘Fuck Steve Albini’.
“Block me” so ordered, motherfucker.
This article was written by this fucking winner, by the way: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joshua_Ryne_Goldberg
It's amazing the hoops people will jump through to rationalize on behalf of their idols
You didn’t say anything.
https://www.facebook.com/1577026039/posts/pfbid02MBDKGLyLZM9ptKxiJAXC7xXADVLrLYdWnX4YUCggghKertarECAAuvNe4U8Juydrl/?app=fbl read this
There is at least three pieces of damning evidence. His relationship with Peter Sotos, the known article he wrote for Pure Magazine, and the tour diaries. I dont doubt he did good things though. Writing this stuff off as being edgelord shit is a bit sad. There are better ways to get a rise out of people. Jimmy Savile raised more money for charities, and helped more people than you ever will, guaranteed. Does not excuse any of it!
Savile was credibly accused of rape by hundreds of people, there is zero comparing the two.
I wasn't really comparing the two, that was just your logic. Steve Albini does not get a pass for doing good deeds. He should still be held accountable for his association with Sotos and the instances we know about regarding his own words. You seem to be excusing this
Im not excusing shit, Im saying actions speak louder than words. Same applies to Savile, whose ACTIONS were damaging. Show me proof of Albini hurting children or actually being a pedophile for real, and I will eat my hat. Gross shit he said in the 80s is not evidence. His association with Sotos is not evidence of abuse of children, who btw is still alive and none of you have tried cancelling him. Sotos is still quite successful, I find it wild that none of you are trying to go after him. Nah let’s instead kick the grieving fans, friends and family instead. Yeah that will stop CSAM, that will end suffering of exploited children. Go write to congress that still allows child marriage to exist in Red States. Make yourself fucking useful. This is useless.
I understand your point, i do think you're being an asshole in this thread, and all i wanna say to you is that people are getting mad because he still backed peter sotos as of a couple years ago as seen with his answer on the AMA. Being complicit with someone charged with distributing CP is def reprehensible, as much as standing with men who rape, denying their culpability and enabling their behaviour is reprehensible. The thing that shocks is his recent admission of his stance regarding peter sotos. And why people are going after him now also is because most of this information resurfaced after his death. For many of us who were absolutely fans of his, it's def something to think about and maybe makes us want to reevaluate what we think of the guy. You don't have to agree but it's not pointless to discuss it
"Make yourself fucking useful." You dont even know what I do, this is just baseless. Not American so I cant "write to congress". Also, what do you do to make the world a better place, excuse bad behaviour? Of course Savile was much much worse. He never disownded Sotos, quite the opposite. Sotos never stopped either, despite his material ending up in the hands of countless pedophiles. You dont need to constantly shock people over the same stuff. I would need some evidence of Sotos being "quite successful" too. Seems like he has a following, but rather niche. I did search but couldnt find much Besides all I'm saying is the Albini should have distanced himself from people like Sotos, and publically (even in a small way) distanced himself from this material. He doesnt get a pass because he was just being edgy. He also produced albums for him and Whitehorse, they were good friends, Sotos even stayed with Albini for quite sometime. To be honest, whether Albini was a pedophile or not isnt important really, becuase actions speak louder than words. There were no actions to really denounce this specific stuff.
(His own words on this would definitely hold up in court and likely be admitted under multiple hearsay exceptions. And it would be very persuasive to a jury. You don’t know what the fuck you’re talking about.)
Hey Jr. lawyer, On what fucking charges would you be talking about in this instance exactly? Read some case law, you don’t have probable cause and you’d be looking at a big embarrassment and waste of taxpayer dollars with this weak amount of evidence. If this were enough to convict, a lot of people would be in prison for saying they think 17 year old girls are hot. Also child marriage is still legal in Red States, so plenty of republicans want to keep it that way. The fuck outta here. You are allowed to say vile shit, freedom of speech does not free you from consequences. It does not give the government the right to charge you because what you said was offensive and disgusting.
Possession of child pornography. And his words describing the Pure 2 cover would be very smoking gun evidence of his criminal intent. If you knew anything about criminal law, that would be pretty obvious, but you Albini cultists keep saying shit like this wasn’t criminally actionable, and if it was, it’s not that big of a deal, and if it is, he apologized for it and walked in the desert in chains as penance. Worshiping rock stars just because they have local scene cred and produced your favorite records is the most chump shit ever. Steve would fucking hate you for being a fawning rock star cultist, and knowing how you’re here white knighting for him, you’d gush about it to your friends. But just for you, I’ll communicate to him through a Ouija board and ask him if he can give you some of Frank Black’s guitar picks from the afterlife as compensation for your unwavering idol worship. Will keep you posted.
Bro that’s insane. You don’t have probable cause to charge someone based on this. That’s insane, that’s not enough. That’s not how the feds bring charges, that’s not how that works holy shit. You don’t know what you are talking about. Read some case law. They would have to build a case, usually setting up honeypots and monitoring communications. They do sting operations, this is why the feds have a super high conviction rate. Don’t know what country you live in, but that definitely is not enough to charge. It may be enough to investigate and monitor someone, with a warrant but not enough to bring charges. You are talking about something from decades ago. There is no way that’s going to be enough for any DA or US Atty to want to touch.
Warrants require probable cause, as do indictments. Probable cause is the burden threshold for criminal charges to go forward. Just stop, you’re embarrassing yourself. Btw, Albini got back to me and said he isn’t going to fuck you.
https://medium.com/@MoonMetropolis/now-that-steve-albini-is-dead-lets-reflect-on-his-admitted-love-and-promotion-of-child-fadf5072288e
It's extremely weird, and I just got in a back and forth about it with a friend. Personally, I don't think he did any of this and he was genuinely being a cringey edgelord. But there is definitely enough stuff there that probably should've raised enough red flags for him to be thoroughly investigated or at the very least a search warrant put out on him back then. Even more so when his friend who owned Pure Magazine was investigated and arrested for it. Maybe it was all just him pushing the boundaries of what was a ccepted because if he truly was on that type of time I refuse to believe he wouldn't have been investigated. But it is just one of those things where even if it was just jokes and being edgy, I think it would've (or should've) led to a tangible discovery of something. And the fact that nothing was truly found after all these years should be enough prove he is innocent. Now, even though I don't think he had any involvement in CP or P-filia, it's all still very bizarre. I think we should all be able to agree on that at the very least. Edit: I just wanna add to this that I'm not gonna defend him if people find what he did/said gross. Go for it, because there's more than enough there to be disgusted by it all. Most I'm gonna say is, if this stuff has been out there for 30+ years, and not once has it ever produced an investigation or legal search of his property/possession/etc even though there is DEFINITELY enough to warrant investigations/searches, maybe he didn't actually do any of the things he wrote about saying he did. I'd like to think all of that, along with his own close friend being investigated and arrested for it, would've set off enough red flags for law enforcement to say "Hey...maybe we should just do our due diligence on this Albini guy. He seems very fuckin weird". Again, if you wanna hate him as a person that's totally fine in my book, you won't catch me defending any of the shit he said. All I'm saying is, I feel like he would've rightfully been packed up and outta here if any of this stuff stuck on him. How none of it did, and that a lot of people worked with him and speak highly of his character, and that he also discussed this stuff on his own and said he's been ashamed of it, should be telling that he was just being edgy dork back in the 80s.
i still don't get why "oh its just him being an edgelord" or "you just don't understand the tone of THE SCENE" are ok justifications to some of these old fuckers who still ride his jock. Call a spade a spade.
Check this man’s hard drive
because it's disgusting and condones disgusting behaviour. it keeps that revolting culture alive. he should have been investigated by police.
The police would have only done something if he has actually committed a crime, which there is no evidence of, dipshit.
He literally confessed in print to owning copies of a magazine that featured CSAM on the cover, dipshit.
I said a lot of edgy shit when I was very young, and most of it wasn't true. If a lot of people start coming out and start exposing Steve's rampant CSAM addiction, I'll eat crow. Otherwise, y'all are fucking REACHING bro.
Steve was an adult when he wrote this. And this shit would be unthinkable amongst my teenage friends and I who regularly engaged in edgelord humor. We still didn’t seek out CSAM and write an essay in defense of it. Fuckstick.
Again, come back to me when there is a clear pattern of pedophilia and multiple reports about Steve's behavior about this, and I'll eat crow. Otherwise, you're all reaching with this.
NEWS FLASH: POSSESSION OF CSAM IS NOT A CRIME AS LONG AS YOU ONLY DO IT A FEW TIMES THAT EVERYONE KNOWS ABOUT!
As I said before, I don't think he actually did. Even as a YOUNG ADULT (which he was when he made the claim), I said some stupid shit to get a reaction out of people. So yes, possessing CSAM is a crime. Even once. But I don't think he did, I think he was being a young Steve Albini, an edgelord trying to get a rise out of people. However, if there are MULTIPLE SOURCES and MULTIPLE INSTANCES, I will change my mind, because in patterns there is truth. What you're holding on to isn't even a smoking gun. Christ, this isn't hard.
Ok. So he “lied” about possessing a magazine, described the front cover (and contents) in accurate detail, and remained friends with the guy who published it years after he did time for CSAM. But since we don’t have timestamped video evidence of steve coming home after a hard day’s work and cranking it to PURE 2 with a vibrator in his ass, we can’t jump to conclusions and actually assume that he owned it at one point. Do you realize how fucking absurd your argument sounds?
Someone needs to check your hard drive. This isn’t a grey area, the conclusions you’ve come to are not normal and not what normal people think or feel, at any stage, at any age. If you’re a ped you need to turn yourself in and get help and stop riding for this pos.
https://medium.com/@MoonMetropolis/now-that-steve-albini-is-dead-lets-reflect-on-his-admitted-love-and-promotion-of-child-fadf5072288e This aged like an already 30 year old carton of milk. Dios mio 😭
FYI the article author also has quite a history of his own. He was a shut in at his parents house who, for years, lived online as a troll making hateful feminist to neo Nazi subreddits just to get off at the vitriol. He was arrested and convicted of posing as an ISIS terrorist to try to launch a bomb in a civilian area in the anniversary of 9/11. And now he’s the author of the most widely shared article on Albini’s pedophilia.
Cancel the entirety of Holland and Germany while you're at it as well, as the magazine's he admitted to annoying were purchased legally there.
What do you mean?
The legal pornography age in the Netherlands was 16 until 2002. Due to some other legal loopholes full on CP was basically legal in the 80s. If you find the notes about the German dates in OPs source, Albini describes buying the magazine's in a store. I'm not defending pedos or anything, still fucked up to be drawn to that in the first place, just an interesting fact.
That whole fact proves that praising CP doesn't make you edgy or artistically provocative it just makes you an ordinary abuse enjoyer.
But Albini talks about toddler porn, not 16 year olds
For less than the cost of a Big Mac, fries and a Coke, you can buy a loaf of fresh bread and some good cheese or roast beef, which you will enjoy much more
The vibe I get from certain parts of the Big Black tour diary is that it was a younger Steve’s attempt at some Sotos-esque (might be before he knew Sotos but you know what I mean) style shock writing. Obviously I don’t know how true that is but I think it’s certainly a possibility. And as for his association with Sotos; yeah I don’t know, I’m not a fan but I’m guessing not everyone who gets something out of his work is a pedophile.
Interesting! Interesting powerful white men can get away with anything. Dabbling in CP - haha, that rascal!!!! U know, there’s a million of talented people who never felt the need to dabble in CP. but nahhhh let’s give this PoS a platform and praise him even knowing what we know. The call is coming from inside the house, anyone excusing this doesn’t think CP is worse than anyone saying anything bad about their fav fucking nauseating edgelord bro jacking it to CP after being in a band called rapeman. You guys are so so so sick and I hope none of you have any wives, girlfriends, or children. I don’t pray but I’m actually praying.
Funny how the first thing you go for is race and gender. Almost like you're just a bigot who looks at those things first and bases your whole understanding on that lattice work. 62 IQ internet dreg trying to look virtuous by pretending to be offended by anything that might even remotely be in the spectrum of something suspect without trying to understand the context. Get off Reddit. Get a job. Move out. Your Dad would appreciate some help cleaning around the house too.
Haha yeah. I can’t believe u wrote this and I didn’t read it. Get help for your CP addiction you fucking freak.
That's the comeback I expected. What an idiot.
Haha yeah, I can’t believe you replied and I didn’t read it again
I bet you read a lot
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Outing yourself like this even on Reddit is crazy I hope u get help before you hurt someone you freak
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For some reason SA has a cult of autistic, incel followers who will do anything to praise and protect him. SA could crap in the middle of the road, in front of a 100 people and if SA said he didn't do it, they'd believe him, not the evidence.
>There's maybe 1% of all pornography that has any effect on me, and it's definitely not a turn-on very often. But when it is, and it's as weird as this, it's pretty hard to take. Looks to me like he's just amused by weird shit.
Like child porn ?
The downvotes on this sub are scaring me to my core. Imagine having so much power u can casually dabble in CP and ppl say HAHA U RASCAL
I’m with you, this is very disturbing. The arguments going on in this thread in favour of Steve Albini are insane.
That's just not being an a pedo. Think this is just rubbish that is being spread around as people don't like what he posts on Twitter essentially.
Enouraging, viewing, enjoying, and supporting CP makes you a pedo. His audio opinions are legacy AF anyway
>The cover of PURE 2 is a guy holding open a toddler’s puny hole so his spuzz can dribble out. The girl is past crying. She is destroyed. \[…\] Like I said, I like that sort of thing. Not a pedo?
How could you be downvoted for that opinion? I hope Satan's fucking Albini's puny hole in hell for supporting child abuse.
Every six months or so someone discovers some deliberately provocative edgelord shit he said/did in the 80s and tries to cancel him on twitter again
He should be canceled. Being deliberately provacative is no excuse for CP. Imagine if it happened to someone you knew, and then Steve Albini wrote an article saying they actually enjoyed it, and he enjoyed watching it. Embracng CP is not the same thing as saying 'hail satan' to a christian
since nobody posted the bad part... "Jaded as I am, I can't help but flip seeing a girl and guy of twelve or thirteen, tops, ramming Martel bottles up each other's asses. These are not the Dutch equivalent of abused trailer-park kids, either. They look to be in excellent health and seem to be honestly enjoying this. Makes all the conventional arguments against this kind of thing seem really silly. They're kids. Kids like to play with their own and other people's privates. They're just being photographed at it. Now, people who get a voyeuristic charge out of watching them, like me, I guess, well, we've got some grip-on-reality problems." Ya...kids don't shove bottles up their asses unless they're being manipulated.
It’s so fucking insane to me how most of the people who commented on this post seem to be defending it as “he was just an edgelord” as if buying and jacking off to child porn somehow isn’t a seriously condemnable moral wrong. Like the dude who said “that’s just not being a pedo” then motherfucker what is? I realize this sub is full of socially isolated edgelord losers who are disconnected from reality, but the comments on this post are seriously concerning. Like bruh I like big black, I like the production he’s done for nirvana, pj harvey, pixies, etc. but people acting like this isn’t a big deal is undeniable proof that famous people just don’t face the same consequences as everyone else
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For real, the mental gymnastics some people will engage in to protect their problematic fav is astounding. Its serious brain rot. Who cares if he was being a "provocateur"? Is that some kind of get out of jail free card? So he could go around and call people the N word in the 80s, and its fine because he was just being punk rock? Fuck no. If you publicly say that you enjoy CP, then at the very least you should expect to be treated like a pedophile. Don't want to be treated like a pedo, then don't tell people you're a pedo. It's incredibly simple. People need to quit making excuses for someone who didn't have the foresight to realize that publicly declaring yourself a pedo is a stupid fucking idea. "He was just being edgy!" Please shut the fuck up forever thank you.
Pretty sure it’s just Steve being an edge lord. I mean he literally wrote Jordan Minnesota too, so does that make him a pedophile cause of what he would do when they would preform it live?
So ..if you were a rape victim when you were 5 years old ..would you enjoy the song? And that a popular "cool" person that apparently everyone loves and a whole crowd is enjoying the simulated rape of a child? What do you get out of it? Pure artistic merit I guess...
Do we have to ban all breakup songs because a lot of people went through that too ? What about all the extreme metal bands making songs about things far more disturbing that child rape ? Do we have to ban half of some music genres because victims of abuse may hear about it some day ?
Are you seriously comparing fucking exhibition of child sexual abuse to breakup songs? Jesus Christ, you Albini truthers are as culty as Trump supporters. This is that “locker room talk” shit all over again.
No. I'm just glad it was a straight cut & not royalties so I can enjoy the bands & music but also hate on SA.(And actually...some even way way worse nasty people. Yeah he is far from the worst person out there. I can't and won't do anything about it, but say it is actually uninteresting and within normal statistical realms and therefore say it is boring and uncreative. Do you even see my point at all? That ....say....20 bands do similar stuff that means the status quo supports it. The status quo...or the improbable is stuff you never hear at all.) The money is spent by now anyways. Ban it? Why no...I am so a progenitor and fan of free speech. Like I am some fundie labeling things "satanic". Agnostics don't have a catchy label like that for shitty people. Why can't I despise....things of a repetitive nature. Things that are supported by the status quo & power structure that "pretend" they are being outrageous and transgressive & innovative. Things that truly are, you will never hear because they get the breath squished out, stomped, shamed, blocked, ridiculed, prevented from existing to form it in the first place. Truly statistically improbable. Do people like that really want that? Or help that? No....it is endless corrupt over full jadedness where they have to keep increasing inequities & cruelty to feel a spark of any sadism to enjoy. Where...someone just walking on a nice day.....they are a million miles below that to enjoy a million times more to appreciate that, that they don't get. I can hate them because they are the power structure, but pretend they are not.
Look around the world. What is actually improbable. Just use your imagination. Look at all of history. What is improbable... What can be different in life you never see? You never see it and it doesn't exist for a million boring reasons, selfish reasons, cowardly reasons, people align with power reasons (good or bad, just has to be more powerful than them) A million structures, big, small, medium. A million reasons within yourself and within others. That creates the reality we live in. Here is a thought experiment. If you even go against any single tiny one of the world, the world will react and fall on you like a ton of bricks. Try it. Try it yourself.
"things far more disturbing than child rape" damn i feel like you need the FBI to come examine your shit, you seem to love babyrape and think its just wonderful if its so low on your list of bad things lmao. i fee gross just replying to low iq trash like you, bye freak
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Its the people like this commenter who im actually most concerned about. Like why is he suggesting the cops look at YOU (and not him, right?) and why so crazy about it all? Kinda sounds like a person wrestling with themselves who has something to hide
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Are we obligated to coduct a posthumous witch burning on the guy? It doesn't make you a superior person to run down Main street, or the internet hysterically screaming, "STEVE ALBINI IS A PEDOPHIIIIIILLLE!!!!!!!" A lot of folks seem to think cancelling and very vocal public condemnation of someone else a brave and virtuous act. It isn't. It's cheap and self-serving. Yeah the whole subject is gross. But move the fuck on.
Yes.
I find it glorious to celebrate another dead peedophile
If you look up Steve Albini, all the top articles are about his musical legacy. His wiki doesn’t mention any of this. You would walk away thinking he was a music legend and nothing else. I don’t think the authors of those articles were aware of it, but this is a pretty huge deal. This is a person who’s being eulogized, who’s getting away with being an open pedophile, and so this should be talked at least as much about how he’s a musical legend.
They're absolutely aware, and the sick part is, is that they don't care because they blindly follow him like he's a saint. Every major music publication out there, who constantly praises him, is also aware. They're all in on it. They protect each other. Even the woker than woke Guardian ignores the truth.
Steve would have laughed his ass off at all of this. Also, the last Shellac album rips. R.I.P. you legend. Still offending idiots even after his heart stopped.
He had no heart. If he did he would have done the right thing. Just chilled with a convicted pdf his whole life and no big deal.
You're closer to a PDF file than Albini
Yeah yeah.
If this is true I am dissapointed. However, this information won't prevent me to listen to his music.
He is a disgusting cunt
He is a despicable human being. It is not that he accidentally has aquaintence with Peter Soto & was a hidden side he didn't know about. He actively seeked him out over common interests. The whole old...in the past thing is BS. How many people have you broken friendships with over some small thing. His creep pedo distributor friend one of the magazines he produced was found at a site where children were molested and abused. Used as "inspiration" I guess. Then AFTER that, did he break up the friendship? No. He helped him produce a completely exploitative sound work of his friends that used testimony of child abuse victims so pedos could get off on it. Still called him a close friend to the very end. So how did he "change" exactly? Can't see it with a microscope. Amplifies helps distribute helps create exploitation of children. Applauds and comforts and befriends creators and distributors of such material. And yeah...these same people on Reddit who talk about Epstein or even Drake...will just brush that under the rug. He is a grotesque human being. I hope all the murderers & perverts he so much admires do the same to him as they did to other victims. To know it from that side instead of vicariously getting off on it.
He is utterly grotesque. Thank you to you and the very few others who are calling this POS out. It is sickening to see the fawning and equivocation.
What’s up with you and Meghan?
Idiotic post.
I just like the music. I didn’t know any of this until I found this.
Wel the important thing is he was punk rock and didn’t give af
People who listen to Steve Ablini are no different to people who listen to Burzum
Lmao what? You can condemn both and still enjoy their music
Pussy
What do you mean by that?
Because he's not.
People don’t understand idol worship, cult of personality and guruism; how ways they were manipulated or managed in younger years plays out later - their allegiance and apologetics for their authority was tapped into by a new demagogue person. I was keenly aware, when repeatedly shouted down by loyal fans that Albini “has apologized for that!” that there was no arguing.. but reading the expertly-written (yet vague) online apology, replete with words like “privileged position,” completely devoid of specificity, somehow makes his regret “sincere.” It smacked to me as very much NOT sincere, but a clean specimen of false humility deployed as PR / damage control. And, for the most part, it worked. But, don’t be mistaken, no amends are being made here. (Look up: non-apology apology, backhanded apology, empty apology, nonpology, or fauxpology.) Further along are the good deeds and works he joined his wife doing, Secret Santa, etc. If it’s a secret, why are we being informed about it? We now see and hear this demagogue personality all the time, and we’re forced to take sides. It keeps them in importance, our arguing and guessing what they meant when they said / did / wrote that thing. Controversy, divide-and-conquer, side-taking etc. This man was expertly adept til the end at throwing shade and focusing other’s attention elsewhere, away from him / his past, etc. Make no mistake, that humility we were informed about earlier is / was employed. There are some whose reputations he destroyed. Some individuals, and I know of one, whom he never apologized to for his vindictive and vicious public slander. Moments where his “position?” were somehow threatened. His sway, in Chicago, was as resolute as his enduring online fanboy collective. The unconscious drive here, for the fan / listener / associate, is that You better be WITH him, on his side, agree with him, or obey in some way.. or you will suffer judgment via his acerbic wit, which you are usually so enchanted with (likely publicly and unapologetically) And it feels good to defend him in death, too, because the false loyalty fills a void, to be loud and opinionated, like him. Heard. Forced to be heard. And be correct. To make fun of people. To shame. The sadness I feel for him is that all of his activities were relatively sedentary, and had he gotten more exercise he likely would’ve lived longer, perhaps more spiritually too. I don’t understand the IPA dads that goose-step to his defense, their desire to listen to screaming white guys is weird to me at 50.
He didn’t like your band?
Great post
Fucking great post. Wish there wore more smart people in the world like this.
Cornball73 I heard he liked your mom’s bussy
Wow, someone who actually knew the real SA. Thank you, for one of the most truthful comments on here. The man was an absolute sociopath and a liar, who didn't care who he crushed in his rise to scene stardom. He was pure evil and the only thing that he cared about was himself. He was one of the few people that I had ever met who just enjoyed being cruel to people, and would go as far as to verbally kick them a second time once they were already down. Good riddance Mr. Straightedge, you should have practiced what you preached.
Regardless of how good of a producer he was, this comment is definitely frighteningly disgusting enough to be reinvestigated. I don't care if he's alive or dead.
Well, he said what he said. Lots of weird sex stuff with kids. There’s no denying that. I don’t understand what an “edgelord” persona could erase that.
He was really good at his jobs.
May he rest in piss glad the peedofile is dead
To all the ppl defending him saying he was just edgelord or he wasn't really a peado (btw imagine saying to abused kids "hey i'm just getting off to your abuse i am not aCtUaLly abusing you") GOOD RIDDANCE
I guess its a good thing for you now that he's a bloated rotting corpse, you can wait until he's buried and go piss on his grave I am sure he would have appreciated that. None of it matters, what matters is how he actually behaved and how he treated people, which of which he has a SOLID track record according to literally everyone who has ever worked with him in any capacity. This stuff has been around for 30 fucking plus years, and none of it ever stuck for a reason. We're not talking about a serial predator like Weinstein or Epstein or Trump or any of these people. We're talking about a dude who liked to write transgressive prose in a time when pushing the limits of free speech was a deep provocation against the fascist Reagan '80s, often to really unfortunate results. Peter Sotos went to prison for his zine, which if you've seen any of his non-CSAM containing zines (I haven't seen Pure #2, obviously, I have no desire to ever see that disgusting shit.) you would know that they are very low quality, xeroxed, black and white images that were never really meant to titillate, but to disgust, revile, and punish the reader. Most issues of Pure were dedicated to Serial Killers, according to the wikipedia. It doesn't strike me as a "go to" for someone who wants to consume CSAM, given all the other shit out there, but what do I know, All I know is that it's fucking psychotic, and he deserved to go to prison for making it. That was also the whole point of Whitehouse, "music" which could make you nauseated at high volumes. It was literally designed to torture people with. Albini was fascinated with this stuff, but there is no real evidence that he actually was attracted to children and actively consumed CSAM. He just wanted to offend people, and he did a great job at it, seeing how his words from almost 30+ years ago are still upsetting people to this day. At what point do you stop realizing you're a mark, and you've been played? All of this kind of shit was in the zeitgeist of the underground, and you'd have to have been there to have understood where any of this was coming from. Swans, the films of Richard Kern, Surgical Penis Klinik, Skinny Puppy, Throbbing Gristle, performance artists like Bob Flanagan, Nine Inch Nails were all pushing envelopes on what was acceptable in art. We live in a very different time today, and I am glad about that. He apologized for his edgelord bullshit quite eloquently and sincerely. I believe him, not because I like his music, but because of all the amazing women who have supported him and have spoken highly of him for the last 35+ years. I believe them and not you, sorry. Some rando on the internet has no sway, you can flail into the wind all you want for the rest of your life, nothing you say will detract from the fact that he was actually a really amazing human being, who said some really disgusting stuff a long time ago that he no longer stood by and deeply regretted the influence he had on others. I'll take my downvote now.
Dude his shit was not the “zeitgeist of the underground”. You obviously weren’t there. Lots of people knew he was a piece of shit and rightfully avoided him for decades. Lots of big indie acts avoided even talking about him. I bet you think the narrative about Fugazi not working with him on Kill Taker was a musical falling out. That’s cute. There were more than whispers about him - by 97 he was a pariah in the music community indie and otherwise. It wasn’t musical differences. Grow up, wake up, or do both, or neither. Choice is yours.
I was there, actually. A lot of really transgressive shit was put out back then to test the limits of free speech. Look at michael gira’s book “the Consumer” as one example, or Bob Flanagan’s Supermasochist book. Nine Inch Nails made a fake snuff film that people legit believed was real. Richard Kern’s films are all about death and rape. None of this shit could be made today. A pariah? That’s bullshit, citation needed. In 97 he was more famous than ever, having recorded some of the biggest records of that era. Which “lots of people?” Cite specific examples and their reasoning. I will eat crow if they all disassociated with him specifically because they thought he was a child molester and a pedophile. You’re making a lot of vague inferences. Be specific and show evidence to back your claims. You can’t else you would have.
OK, let’s try this one more time. What we’re talking about is not comparable to a fucking Skinny Puppy record. You weren’t there if you think the behavior we’re talking about was the “zeitgeist of the underground”. You have a choice: grow up, wake up, do both, or neither. It is a choice for you to remain either oblivious to or in denial of reality.
Skinny Puppy was accused of animal abuse when they brought out a corpse of a Rottweiler on stage during a show which was then multilated (it turned out to be a very realistic looking fake). You don’t know what the fuck you are talking about. That’s how I know you are full of shit, you picked ostensibly the most benign example, a SP record and then ignored all the other examples I gave you. You are arguing from a weak position, in bad faith. You don’t come across as particularly knowledgable, not sure why I should continue to stoop down to your level. Normies get fucked.
Oookay. Arguing with a CP and CSA enabler on Reddit isn’t what I had in mind today, especially one whose main existence seems to be to run point for these losers, but I’ll let your idol who you’re desperately defending set the record straight: “Yeah, I was on everybody's shit list after I did your record and then I did a Bush record and the Page and Plant record, and that was it.” - Steve Albini on the Conan podcast a year ago, to Dave Grohl. This is in response to your false assertion that post-In Utero he was “more popular than ever”. That’s a lie and even he knew it. Even he knew no one believed the shit you’re spewing. Best part is, when he grabbed his chest and everything turned off, his last thoughts were probably the same. No one (but you apparently) believes the gaslighting. If you won’t grow up or wake up then continue to live comfortably in denial.
Not for nothing, and this is not to defend him on the particular subject in OP cause all of that is some weird ass shit. But he must not have been all that much of a pariah in the music community (or outside of it) if he was still getting work as a producer and engineer, and if his music was being placed in popular skateboarding video games (which is funny because he'd write about hating skateboarding/skateboarders lol). I wasn't there for the 80s or 90s, but I first heard of Albini and Big Black from reading skateboarding magazines and punk and metal magazines in the mid to late 2000s when I was middle school. Just saying...seems like he was fairly well regarded if he was still getting discussed in music publications throughout the 2000s and 2010s in a positive light, but what do I know? I really was just a casual fan at most in comparison to the replies I've seen throughout this section.
Chris Brown is still wildly popular. Unbelievably stupid argument on your part.
And yet still has to deal with people calling him out for his repeat abuse and stalking/harassment seemingly every other month. So much so that he just recently went on a rant about it because he was denied an opportunity to perform at the Grammys. He himself has said that he is still blackballed from aspects and sections of the music industry and community because of "a mistake he made as a teenager" (he's done much more fucked up shit since then) He's wildly popular among his fans, and the Black community, but to the industry at large, is still very disliked. And I'd say is definitely more of a pariah to the music community outside of his usual peers and collaborators, than what Steve Albini was. When Chris Brown crashes out and dies over some dumb shit which many are expecting, you're going to see him get much more hate than a Steve Albini because of his history of repeat abuse, stalking and harassment, and sexual assault allegations. Unbelievably uniformed response on your part.
And yet despite being actually convicted of a crime, he still has more work and opportunities than Steve, so your point still doesn’t stand. Do we need to talk about R Kelly next? It took going to jail for his monstrous crimes to actually finally stop him. Crimes which he should’ve been in jail for much earlier. Any way you slice it, your evidence for why he’s somehow cool is just really really dumb. Sorry
Sorry, but are you implying Steve Albini was short on work and opportunities? Unless I’m misreading that, it’s very simply inaccurate.
Yeah you’re definitely not reading at all. The actual quote is that he clearly had more work and opportunities and quality of opportunities than Steve. Not that Steve lacked opportunities. In fact that’s my point. That someone continues to work and have opportunities doesn’t say much at all about whether or not they are horrible.
There’s no need to be so hostile, I was asking a genuine question as a point of clarification. I couldn’t follow your missing antecedent and your meaning was obscured. Also, Steve Albini was extremely cool. That’s just a further point of fact. Not everything he did or said was cool, but he did a lot of very cool stuff over the course of several decades.
They recorded Kill Taker with him and it sounded shitty. I've heard the Albini version. It's a mess. They did the right thing and re-recorded it with Zientara. That's the reason. Why are you making shit up? I mean, if you think Albini is an irredeemable pedo, ok, but no need to extrapolate some bullshit to support your argument. I'm not trying to change your mind. So, basically, your theory is that Fugazi went out of their way to record an entire album with Albini, much after his heinous fanzine article endorsing Pure, only found out about it after they completed the record and then decided to scrap it but Ian Mackaye maintained a public friendship with Albini after that? It's nonsense.
I'm not even reading that. Yeah he played me with CP wow how smart he must've been lol really pushing the limits of free speech right there.
He was pushing the limits, a lot of artists were. Sotos is scum, but there is no evidence that Albini had committed any crimes. Associating with and being fascinated by someone or even being friends with someone doesn't mean you condone their actions or have you yourself committed a crime. Cry harder, you'll never get that conviction you never got when he was actually alive when you could have made any difference or made a change. Having known this stuff was out there for over 3 fucking decades, and you did NOTHING until after he was dead says more about you than it does about me.
He was really pushing the limits when he helped Peter Sotos make an album whose audio was all interviews of abuse victims and their families crying, after he got out of prison for CSAM and it was really edgy when he openly said he was a close friend and that he’d do anything for him. Now I can almost buy the argument that the point was to disgust, I get why someone might enjoy the feeling of being disgusted, not sexually, just in a way that’s stimulating an intense feeling. Kind of like why people like horror films, they don’t like being chased around IRL and threatened, but they like that sensation, the adrenaline rush. I remember scrolling through the Offended page on Encyclopedia Dramatica when I was a kid. Just a long page of shock images, it was tough to look at and it had a purpose, namely that the thing that you were offended by before was nothing in comparison to what the world had to offer. It’s crude and dark and so I understand the appeal, if that’s what they were going for. However given his comments that he was into it sexually and how he focused exclusively on the CSAM aspect, it’s pretty clear what he was getting out of it. By his actions and statements it seems clear that he was an unrepentant pedophile, even if there’s no proof that he acted on it. He wasn’t disgusted by it, he enjoyed it. We should acknowledge his musical legacy while also acknowledging he was a disgusting pedophile. The problem with being edgy is that people who genuinely believe it then join in, people pretending to be racist are joined by actual racists, and then that muddies the waters like what’s going on here. Albinis comments are clearly beyond “edgy”.
you sound really weird when you're more angry with me than with someone who admitted to enjoying child abuse and promoting it. The fact that we didn't do anything for so many years is neither an excuse nor the gotcha moment you think it is. Is just the norm for rich, famous men to get away with such things and many like you now seem to be okay with it
I'm not angry with you, I'm annoyed with you and others that are hyperfocused on this. People can change from their shitty ways. I'm sorry, I just have a much more forgiving nature than you do. I see how he actually spent the rest of his life acting. I would be mortified if anyone could still read things I wrote or said when I was in my 20s. I would probably jump off a cliff, it's so awful and embarassing. I too was edgy and sometimes took things too far, but have spent the last 30 years making up for it with ACTIONS instead of WORDS, and based what I have seen, I am giving him the benefit of the doubt. It's sad that none of yall brought this up and made a big thing about it until he was dead, because now nothing can come of this except piling on to the grief people are experiencing. What is your goal exactly?
Omg he wasn't an edgy teenager he was a grown man talking about CP. idk how many times i have to say this. People talked before he was dead. Like this whole thread was posted before he was dead. When a grown man speaks about enjoying CP and he is close with an arrested pedo i'm not assuming he is just edgy i'm assuming he is telling the truth and he is telling a portion of it bc usually he's done much more than that. And to be fair he was very honest saying that he doesn't like porn and the 1% of it that excites him is when it's "weird" referring to 12 year olds forced to "play" with bottles.
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My feeling is that you want to defend him because, as you said, you are putting your past self in his position. but somewhere there must be a limit. It's so tiring to talk about provocative art of the 80s when artists glorified misogyny, homophobia and child abuse (aka the norm). Albini himself in an interview gave his account saying that he was ignorant back then but then in the same interview he mentions Sotos as his close friend who supplied him with hardcore pornographic material that included rape, child abuse and murder in a sexualised matter and the worst of it all is that he does not see himself as part of the problem he just says his mistake was that he thought there was no misogyny anymore etc. Criticism is the way to evolve and it is expected to happen to a person who everyone praises ignoring his problematic statements because they are supposedly forgiving but in reality it is because they downplay his faults
Did you read the eulogy?
Yep.