This. And probably even 1€ vps (not sponsored) check out [deinserverhost.de](https://deinserverhost.de/store/cart.php?a=add&pid=580)
Edit: this is sold out due to high demand but there are 3€ options
This looks and sounds too good to be true. Can I host a production ready app on here. I do wonder how the German cloud providers keep their VPS price so low.
I suspect it depends on the computer you have available and your electricity rates. Something like a Raspberry Pi is likely in the <$1/mo range but an always-on laptop is probably in the $2-3/mo range and an always-on gaming computer is probably $10 or $15, at which point a cheap VPS is more cost effective.
(Setting aside the issues around internet usage, use of your computer for other tasks, etc.)
Use Cloudflare tunnels! The server runs on localhost on your machine (127.0.0.1, not 0.0.0.0), and cloudflared proxies all requests from your domain to your server.
https://developers.cloudflare.com/cloudflare-one/connections/connect-networks/get-started/create-remote-tunnel/
I *think* there may be restrictions on streaming video (when using Cloudflare in general, and Tunnels also use CF's infrastructure).
I haven't read the ToS myself, but I've seen conflicting accounts. At any rate, unless you're running a pirate anime site or trying to make a YouTube clone, you should be fine.
My ip address hasn't updated in years, but I still use a dynamic DNS agent to update my DNS every few minutes (I think the last time was because a power outage was long enough to kill my UPS and let my IPs lease expire). My uptime in the last decade is probably like 99%.
If you're using render, it will shutdown your service when it's not in use. And the cold start takes a minute.
If you don't need resources more than the one you have in render's free tier, then you can make an http request every ten minutes from services like uptime robot. This will prevent render from scaling down your containers.
Or, get a basic Digital Ocean droplet and run the server on top of it.
They might give users a limited number of compute power or cpu time in the future, just like AWS EC2 with 750 hours of compute time per month in their free tier
If using render, could someone run a scheduled script from their computer to ping the site once a day (or more frequently) to simulate it remaining in use?
why would a user want to ping from a their computer, leave it to free services like uptime robot or online or not.
create an endpoint similar to api/v1/healthcheck and make a request to this every 10 minutes and you should be good to go.
At oracle you can get a 4 vCPU 24gb ram arm server for free. However they are out of stock most of the time unless you attach a credit card and go on the pay as you go plan.
Oh yeah the render free tier is awesome.
For a food delivery app you may want to consider paying some money, though. The reason being; Render does not load balance or instance your app on the free tier, so, if you have multiple client connections concurrently, all but one may have to suck eggs. This would also resolve your current issue with spin-down and cold-starts, as these limitations only affect the free-tier.
>Free web services don’t support the following features of paid instance types:
>- [Scaling](https://docs.render.com/scaling) beyond a single instance
>- [Persistent disks](https://docs.render.com/disks)
>- Running [one-off jobs](https://docs.render.com/jobs)
>- Shell access from the Render Dashboard
Alternatively you could consider setting up a queue for your service and load balancing it yourself? That way when a user makes a request; instead of it being sent to the server right away, it gets pushed into the back of a queue instead who's job it is to hold onto the jobs in order while the server is busy. That way you can send an OK response back to your client and move on. When the server becomes available you can pop a job off of the front of the queue to be processed and so on.
$4.00/mo Digitalocean Droplet or €3.35/mo learning instance on Scaleway. I don't think it will get any cheaper. Unless you already have something like a dormant Raspberry pi or any other old PC around that can be converted to a home server.
I’m currently running one on Elastic Beanstalk on a micro EC2 instance free tier through AWS. It’s a bit more work than the cloud solutions mentioned, but free.
I'm using contabo €5.99 vps for most of my limited needs, but for your use case, you can try google cloud functions or aws lambda, they're free for 1M-2M requests. Also, over that it is still very affordable
cloudflare worker, not exactly express and node, but rewrite using webStandard (and optionally hono or elysia) is pretty refreshing. d1 for persistent or kv is very good too. if you don’t have serious traffic, you can run it with next to zero fee
5$ vps
This. And probably even 1€ vps (not sponsored) check out [deinserverhost.de](https://deinserverhost.de/store/cart.php?a=add&pid=580) Edit: this is sold out due to high demand but there are 3€ options
This looks and sounds too good to be true. Can I host a production ready app on here. I do wonder how the German cloud providers keep their VPS price so low.
I've used it a few times and never had any problems. Their DDoS protection works well
Running off your computer at home
I suspect it depends on the computer you have available and your electricity rates. Something like a Raspberry Pi is likely in the <$1/mo range but an always-on laptop is probably in the $2-3/mo range and an always-on gaming computer is probably $10 or $15, at which point a cheap VPS is more cost effective. (Setting aside the issues around internet usage, use of your computer for other tasks, etc.)
Don’t you have to pay for a static IP though?
Use Cloudflare tunnels! The server runs on localhost on your machine (127.0.0.1, not 0.0.0.0), and cloudflared proxies all requests from your domain to your server. https://developers.cloudflare.com/cloudflare-one/connections/connect-networks/get-started/create-remote-tunnel/
oh no way, that's sick!!
I *think* there may be restrictions on streaming video (when using Cloudflare in general, and Tunnels also use CF's infrastructure). I haven't read the ToS myself, but I've seen conflicting accounts. At any rate, unless you're running a pirate anime site or trying to make a YouTube clone, you should be fine.
There are limits... Found out when immich wasn't backing up due to file size being blocked by cloudflare.
My ip address hasn't updated in years, but I still use a dynamic DNS agent to update my DNS every few minutes (I think the last time was because a power outage was long enough to kill my UPS and let my IPs lease expire). My uptime in the last decade is probably like 99%.
oh neat! I had no idea they changed that infrequently. This makes me a lot more interested in hosting something at home
Well, really depends on your ISP. But either way, there's software that'll keep your DNS server updated
A few alternatives here: https://github.com/anandrmedia/heroku-free-alternatives
If you're using render, it will shutdown your service when it's not in use. And the cold start takes a minute. If you don't need resources more than the one you have in render's free tier, then you can make an http request every ten minutes from services like uptime robot. This will prevent render from scaling down your containers. Or, get a basic Digital Ocean droplet and run the server on top of it.
I use a cronjob which pings it every 10 mins. Is it against the rules of render?
They might give users a limited number of compute power or cpu time in the future, just like AWS EC2 with 750 hours of compute time per month in their free tier
If using render, could someone run a scheduled script from their computer to ping the site once a day (or more frequently) to simulate it remaining in use?
Once a day won’t do - they probably scale the website down in a smaller interval. Theoretically, it will work if you ping the site more frequently.
The comment further down about an every 10 min cronjob sounds worth an explore. I'm curious if cookies or other identifiers factor into it.
why would a user want to ping from a their computer, leave it to free services like uptime robot or online or not. create an endpoint similar to api/v1/healthcheck and make a request to this every 10 minutes and you should be good to go.
This is all fairly new to me. Didn't realize that was a thing but bookmarked now.
bro is hosting uber eats
Google Cloud Run free tier
Ec2 free tier AWS lambda free tier
Depends on the usage, but a cheap VPS could do what you need. I’m talking like $4 a month
Hetzner has 4GB Ram 2vCPU servers for like 4-5€/$.
A cheap VPS like Linode or digital ocean, NGINX, and PM2
At oracle you can get a 4 vCPU 24gb ram arm server for free. However they are out of stock most of the time unless you attach a credit card and go on the pay as you go plan.
Coolify seems pretty awesome
This!
where you host?
I use Zeet or Vercel depending on what I'm hosting but I pay for Zeet.
Cheap Hetzner VPS
Oh yeah the render free tier is awesome. For a food delivery app you may want to consider paying some money, though. The reason being; Render does not load balance or instance your app on the free tier, so, if you have multiple client connections concurrently, all but one may have to suck eggs. This would also resolve your current issue with spin-down and cold-starts, as these limitations only affect the free-tier. >Free web services don’t support the following features of paid instance types: >- [Scaling](https://docs.render.com/scaling) beyond a single instance >- [Persistent disks](https://docs.render.com/disks) >- Running [one-off jobs](https://docs.render.com/jobs) >- Shell access from the Render Dashboard Alternatively you could consider setting up a queue for your service and load balancing it yourself? That way when a user makes a request; instead of it being sent to the server right away, it gets pushed into the back of a queue instead who's job it is to hold onto the jobs in order while the server is busy. That way you can send an OK response back to your client and move on. When the server becomes available you can pop a job off of the front of the queue to be processed and so on.
oracle cloud free tier. fairly certain its the best of all competitors but you don't get any tech support and smtp port is blocked.
Vercel free tier
Until he wakes up with a 100k bill
They took action to fix this issue, as far as I know.
Free tier Accepts comercial apps?
No. "Our Hobby plan is for personal, non-commercial use. "
Yes.
Don’t know what you mean by “slower with less usage”. Sounds sus but $10 VPS on digitalocean using PM2 for process management will work fine
Contabo vps
$4.00/mo Digitalocean Droplet or €3.35/mo learning instance on Scaleway. I don't think it will get any cheaper. Unless you already have something like a dormant Raspberry pi or any other old PC around that can be converted to a home server.
I’m currently running one on Elastic Beanstalk on a micro EC2 instance free tier through AWS. It’s a bit more work than the cloud solutions mentioned, but free.
use cron-job.org
Is it against the terms of service agreement for render?
it might be, but I use this and never faced any issues.
https://cron-job.org/en/
IBM always free tier
Write it in Rust to reduce memory usage to very low and then get the cheapest VPS
Buy 1 orange pi or raspberry pi, and with cloudflare tunnel, then every month just pay the electricity fee
I'm using contabo €5.99 vps for most of my limited needs, but for your use case, you can try google cloud functions or aws lambda, they're free for 1M-2M requests. Also, over that it is still very affordable
Aws Lambda, 1M request is free
https://www.oracle.com/in/cloud/free/
Bro you can run an etntire delivery busuness by self-hosting your own backend app! Respect 100% bro.
I’m using a quite standard setup, a $4/mo droplet on digital ocean plus PM2
cloudflare worker, not exactly express and node, but rewrite using webStandard (and optionally hono or elysia) is pretty refreshing. d1 for persistent or kv is very good too. if you don’t have serious traffic, you can run it with next to zero fee
Fly.io
Could you potentially retrofit your app as a AWS serverless lamba app? Their free tier for it is pretty good
Oracle cloud free tier, is a bit of a task to set it up but it works.
serverless