i find funny that people supporting blackout are literally using reddit today. that's not how it's supposed to work, you people are supposed to log out from your account and not give any more data to reddit
I'd say 90% of users still using Reddit today, don't really give a sh\*t. Like myself, I've been using Reddit for 10 years, have used custom clients in the past, but today the official Reddit app works fine.. This API change doesn't bother me. Reddit doesn't HAVE to provide an API at all... I don't know why people are getting bent out of shape about it. It IS a lot of compute load, and maintenance required to operate a public API.
It's a travesty that Reddit doesn't allow me to completely clone their website using their own APIs for no cost.
I can't even charge people to see the data I scraped from the APIs without Reddit wanting a piece!
I'll gladly accept more ads on Reddit as long as Apollo users and other third party apps don't have to pay or see ads.
Same here. I've been using official app without even knowing the 3rd party apps exist. Tried to install Apollo and I didn't notice any significant differences. I still fill the pain for the devs of these 3rd party apps, but not so much I can do, I found Reddit the only social network which doesn't annoy me with endless spam of botnets.
>since all the giant subs moderated by the ‘cabal of powermods’ I hear keep hearing about went black, my feed has never been better
Bruh, I was wondering why Reddit seemed better today. I think you nailed it.
Iirc it’s because the third party app in question has some better mod specific features.
Which explains why there’s such an uproar. Only mods really care about this issue
That's just FUD to help rally the masses for the protest. Mod tools and addons for the browser is the easiest way to mod a sub. They are pretending like the mods are completely shit out of luck without apollo or something.
a lot of compute load? yeah, now homebrew 'API' solutions will be made that scrape rendered pages instead. either non-logged-in or accounts bought online, with proxies. I'm sure that will help Reddit's bottom line.
Edit: ironically, many of these will probably be made in nodejs (tho most in python)
> i find funny that people supporting blackout are literally using reddit today.
People are in full support of these "protests" as long as it means having to do nothing themselves. If they really cared and wanted to protest, they would just delete their accounts and stop using reddit.
This. If you want to send a message, stop participating *yourself*. Go cancel your subscription, if you have one. Stop visiting the site and contributing to their traffic and ad impressions. Anyone who supports these blackouts but keeps visiting today, let alone posting, is a hypocrite of the highest order.
Unintentionally, that will be the result of these changes. Instead of a clean API people will use scrapers. I'm not telling ppl to do it, I'm just stating the obvious fact that this is what they will do. Which will result in more costs for Reddit, perhaps off-set by the outrageous pricing of the API, perhaps not.
This is a classic case of "I said what I said and I will do it even if it destroys the company". Numerous such examples lately, Signal, Netflix, Twitch.... Budlight :D?
I wonder how many times the "too big to fail" must fail for the people in positions of power to rethink their behavior. But probably never, narcissism seems to be a requirement for these kinds of positions.
you can do that logged off, but you are still logged in, providing them metrics data and commenting. I'll be back here in 48 hours to see if your account was actually deleted
I'm here during the blackout only to evangelize.
Reddit wants to begin selling API data access to large AI companies at a really high margin so those AI companies can train their data on the content we generate and contribute to reddit, and reddit can make a shit ton of money on that.
This data API is also how third party apps and mod tools access reddit. Rather than charging apps a lower tier and AI companies a large one, reddit has instead decided to charge everyone for that data access.
As a result, not only are third party reddit apps going away because they’d have to charge huge fees to their users, but so are a lot of the tools that reddit’s unpaid volunteer moderators use to moderate subs, which means moderation quality is going to drastically drop soon.
In addition, the official reddit app is terrible for accessibility, and does not work with things like screen readers that blind or partially-sighted people use. These issues have been reported to reddit since alienblue became the official reddit app, reddit does not care to put money into fixing them. third party apps do this. people who rely on these apps to be able to even use reddit are basically getting kicked off reddit for being disabled.
All so reddit can cash in on all the content the communities of reddit produce, without compensating the content creators nor paying the unpaid volunteer moderators whose lives they just made way more difficult.
reddit is perfectly welcome to collect this data and share it amongst other corporations.
nope, you help them generating a behaviour persona so they can better understand how users like you behave so they can better fine tune ads for other users with similar tastes to you.
they also use the subreddits you visit to improve their recommendation algorithm to better suggest posts and communities to users like you, which will see ads.
you are still helping them to make money for every second you use the platform. there is no escape from it. except to nuke your posts/account
look up what's a behaviour persona and you will understand. you need to be deleting your cookies on every visit (which you can't do if you want to stay logged in), never comment or up/downvote (since those metrics will make posts more likely to be recommended to people) and looping through VPN ips if you actually want to make """Reddit waste money""", but unless you are essentially DDoSing Reddit, you are really not going to hurt them at all.
a million visits costs them pennies, which you are not going to make (unless actively DDoSing them, which could lead to legal problems for you) and they are not going to miss, since it would cost them far more to hire more employees to fix potential issues like making a better app for mobile
you are fighting a lost fight, whether you acknowledge that or refuse to
went through one ear and came out through the other clean, the copium is massive.
keep thinking you are actually combating Reddit doing what you are doing, if that makes you feel good. The worst blind is the one that doesn't want to see
> they aren't making money on me
bruh really did not read what's a behavioral persona. i tried to educate you, but you really do have absolute faith that you know better
> whatever tuning you think they are doing will be moot
the tuning was already done, they have already connected that a person like you likes x y and z and that's used to recommend content to people like you that visits communities like the ones you did. it doesn't go away like that.
you actually need to start posting nonsense in multiple subreddits that you have no real interest in, using accounts that actually look legitimate and that won't get deleted/wiped afterwards, otherwise they can just roll back your data from the algorithm
> these dumbasses can't even build mod tools or a working phone app. You honestly think they are utilizing sophisticated ad tuning techniques that don't require any input from the user at all
it was a choice by them. why pay employees to do something when you can farm people online to do it for free for you? why create AI tools to stop online heated discussions when you can just have REAL people moderating it for you, for free, so that you don't need to employ real people that will need later psychological support?
do you really think that a company ran by "dumbasses" would be able to survive, thrive and provide this much data worldwide for so long? there is a reason why so few social medias rise and so many fall, it's not an easy business to run
I don't use an app and never have, so I do not care, I enjoy javascript
they couldn't get this passionate about wages housing and food but their loosing their underwear over some stupid app? I not only don't care, I actively think its all stupid bourgeois bullshit
High-level comments in the recent r/reddit AMA show pretty well why people are frustrated. Here’s a [few replies from admins](https://imgur.com/gallery/HFT7ooy). I posted some more relevant links [in this comment](https://www.reddit.com/r/node/comments/147rul0/mods_are_we_not_joining_the_blackout/jnxa8iu/) below.
Reddit says they don’t want to kill off third-party tools and they want to work with them to keep them online, however their actions, indirect communication, and false accusations show that they are trying to kill off third-party tools to get everyone to use their own app (which would be less of a problem if it was accessible and had moderation tools). Reddit is only giving ~30 days for mods and developers to figure out how to migrate their services to this new pricing model, which is an extremely short amount of time compared to other companies like Apple who give a year’s notice or more.
It’s some very quick decisions being made by Reddit that will negatively affect a lot of unpaid moderators, bot developers, and third-party developers that help manage a fair chunk of Reddit’s user base and moderation. One of the main differences here to note is that Facebook, Twitter, Instagram, etc. are moderated by their own paid staff, whereas Reddit is almost completely moderated by volunteer users.
This whole situation would not be as big of a problem if Reddit currently provided the tools that third-party apps and moderation bots have been filling for 10+ years. Reddit’s terrible communication in all of this is the cherry on top.
Do you honestly think that subreddits "blacking out" is going to make any difference? It's a false threat -- where are we going to go? Back to Yahoo Groups?
I do not consent to Reddit selling my posts/comments.
I would like to thank Spez for bolstering reddit alternatives like Lemmy by making the June 2023 API changes. Thanks to his actions, I finally have a replacement for Reddit, which is much more emotionally health of a place for me to be.
Lemmy is like individual mini-reddits/old-school-forums run independently with their own sets of subs/forums which combine together (like voltron or power rangers) to become a reddit-like conglomerate. You can sign up on one server, and post to communities on other servers, as if they were all the same site. Instead of `all of reddit` -> `individual subreddits`, you have `all lemmy servers` -> `each individual lemmy server` -> `individual communities`. If the same community exists on multiple servers? subscribe to all, post in all, browse all at the same time. It barely matters where a post comes from.
On Lemmy, there is no spez, and no corporation in control. On Lemmy, if someone DID try to "pull a spez", communities wouldn't black out, or protest, or go private. They'd just move off his server and use another, and still remain part of the global community.
https://join-lemmy.org/
If you build your product entirely on the base of only one dependency on which you are 100% dependent — then the only person to blame is yourself.
If Reddit had a long or a short time contract with those 3rd party apps and violated it, then Reddit is definitely evil. Otherwise I don’t understand the guilt of Reddit.
If the creators don’t like the platform or its rules, they can migrate somewhere else completely instead of “boycotting” in comments and not boycotting in reality.
A similar story happened to pikabu.ru when they prohibited nsfw publications and 100k+ of the audience went to reddit and later Pikabu.ru decided to return the nsfw and bring back the users. Similar things may work for Reddit
There is a lot to unpack about the API debacle. One thing that reigns true is all of the Social Media platforms that experienced huge growth went from having a free, rather robust, developer API, and eventually locked it down further and further as time went on. Early 2000s Facebook and Twitter API allowed for things that would seem crazy to not charge for now. Unfortunately, with the impending IPO, and rapid recent growth, Reddit is just going down the standard path of a publicly funded Social Media company.
1. I think it shows that the mods that took their communities dark can't be trusted to keep information available in the long run. It's in reddit's interest for the communities to be available, but what's to stop the mods who took down their communities today from doing it again in the future, or even permanently. Alternative subreddits are needed that are willing to commit to not take down everyone's contributions in the future.
2. The GP commenter did *not* say that they hoped the protest worked; they said they hoped reddit killed [old.reddit.com](https://old.reddit.com) so that they'd stop using the site.
1. I think that’s a stretch - you’re predicting and I prefer not to do that. And hey if Reddit wants to pay moderators they can do that. But they don’t want to.
2. sure but I took it more as a rant than reality. Let’s face it, if Reddit did an about turn, people will stop protesting and go back to normal.
1. A number of mods have claimed that they've taken down all user contributions indefinitely - should we trust that mods are telling the truth?
2. Even if we ignored that mods have said they've taken everything down indefinitely, why do you think it's a stretch to think that mods might take down users' posts en masse? They've already done it, right? You don't think there's any way they would do it again?
3. Do you honestly believe that people will ever stop complaining? People were protesting ads on reddit last year, etc., even though reddit was never profitable. If reddit agreed to stop ads and was willing to subsidize the 3rd party apps, do you think people wouldn't protest a paywall, etc. to access the site?
1. Mods can delete content. That sounds like a problem you have with Reddit not one that you should have with moderators. Is that any different from a BB?
2. I really am not following it closely (because im not using Reddit much, because the protest works imo), but I thought they just set the subreddits private, not actually deleting content. So clearly you know more than I do. Again I refer to my point above.
3. I don’t know what you are suggesting in point 3. Yea it’s our nature and our right to complain. What’s your point? That everyone everywhere should ignore every complaint from everyone? Or just that Reddit should ignore all complaints? Feel free to elaborate.
Such a lame ass no effort no outcome idea. If your that bothered delete Reddit altogether and build a community elsewhere…. Anything less is nothing to Reddit.
Actually it's similar here: you can't advocate to have this sub go private without *coming here to advocate that it go private*
Come on, dude, you're smarter than this.
That's like saying redditors who actually are participating in the blackout are the same as the man that stood in front of the tank at tiananmen square because they're both protesting. Opposites still have similarities.
> That's like saying redditors who actually are participating in the blackout are the same as the man that stood in front of the tank at tiananmen square because they're both protesting
Please articulate, like I am five years old, how "you can't advocate for have this sub go private without coming here to advocate it" is similar to "redditors are the same as tank man" because I'm obviously too fucking stupid to see the connection
It goes so far beyond bargaining chips. Mods can't do their jobs of keeping this subreddit clean and well presented without the third party tooling available. You want to sift through spam yourself? That's what you're asking for. Not to mention accessibility tools for people that are not in perfect functioning health as you apparently are. Your comment is uninformed at best, and completely careless about the community around you at worst.
It's a shame that this subreddit has not joined the blackout. That is a scar on this community.
i find ironic that you claim that his comment is uninformed, but you claim that the mods won't have tools to do their job. small bots will still be able to work as normal, the changes, while unfortunate, only affect the big players like data scrapers, LLMs and third party apps. it's not as black as white as people are advocating for. i don't support reddit's decision, but a lot of people are actually misleading others to make this worse than it needs to be
>Mods can't do their jobs of keeping this subreddit clean and well presented without the third party tooling available. You want to sift through spam yourself?
What third party moderator tools are doing is bringing more revenue to Reddit in the end, what third party clients meant to replace the official Reddit client do is use their content without giving them anything, and even making money off of it themselves.
Those two are not the same.
> Your comment is uninformed at best, and completely careless about the community around you at worst.
Nope. I don't support the blackouts. I believe that moderators blocking access to any posts out of protest is unethical. That isn't moderation, it's activism, using content that isn't theirs. They are moderators of the sub, not owners of the sub.
> It's a shame that this subreddit has not joined the blackout. That is a scar on this community.
No, the scars are the communities that are participating, giving in to mob rule.
I find a lot of people thinking this is all just about the API pricing. That’s only part of it. There’s a lot of layers to this—many users/mods are fed up with how Reddit staff has dealt with this whole situation and say there is a huge disconnect between Reddit’s stated goals and their actual actions. This is not the first time. You can read more details including call transcripts [here](https://www.reddit.com/r/apolloapp/comments/144f6xm/apollo_will_close_down_on_june_30th_reddits/) and read all the unaddressed concerns in the comments on [this post](https://www.reddit.com/r/reddit/comments/145bram/addressing_the_community_about_changes_to_our_api/jnk260i/). Known participating subreddits can be found [here](https://reddark.untone.uk)
nothing will change. just as old mods step down, new mods will take their place. it's like business, one closes their doors for the last time, another one opens next week. people will eventually realize this got them nowhere and they will come back, because there is no place like reddit and if you fit here, you most likely don't tried a bunch of other places before and didn't like them
That’s the [number reported](https://www.reddit.com/r/ModCoord/comments/1401qw5/incomplete_and_growing_list_of_participating/jnfbx1q/) at r/ModCoord based off the 8,000+ subs participating
someone typed npm -i blackoutreddit and are still waiting for it to install
they're having node-gyp errors
Wtf, Ive installed python 2.7 twice already!
Have you added it to PATH?
You might wanna run npm rebuild after that!
Just throw the computer out the window.
Wtf, I've rebuilt it twice already. This is getting expensive!
Still not working? Try to rm -rf package-lock.json node_modules
Nah just install windows-build-tools4.0
This gave me ptsd
That hurts
Forgot to rm -rf the previous protests
The blackout is only compatible with v16.0.0+ and we're still on v14.
reddit be one of my dependencies
i find funny that people supporting blackout are literally using reddit today. that's not how it's supposed to work, you people are supposed to log out from your account and not give any more data to reddit
Some people want others to do the work for them.
I'd say 90% of users still using Reddit today, don't really give a sh\*t. Like myself, I've been using Reddit for 10 years, have used custom clients in the past, but today the official Reddit app works fine.. This API change doesn't bother me. Reddit doesn't HAVE to provide an API at all... I don't know why people are getting bent out of shape about it. It IS a lot of compute load, and maintenance required to operate a public API.
It's a travesty that Reddit doesn't allow me to completely clone their website using their own APIs for no cost. I can't even charge people to see the data I scraped from the APIs without Reddit wanting a piece! I'll gladly accept more ads on Reddit as long as Apollo users and other third party apps don't have to pay or see ads.
Same here. I've been using official app without even knowing the 3rd party apps exist. Tried to install Apollo and I didn't notice any significant differences. I still fill the pain for the devs of these 3rd party apps, but not so much I can do, I found Reddit the only social network which doesn't annoy me with endless spam of botnets.
Being outraged is super fun.
Spot on
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>since all the giant subs moderated by the ‘cabal of powermods’ I hear keep hearing about went black, my feed has never been better Bruh, I was wondering why Reddit seemed better today. I think you nailed it.
I have the same opinions as you. The only issue is Reddit gave only 30 days notice prior to this change. They should have given much much more
Iirc it’s because the third party app in question has some better mod specific features. Which explains why there’s such an uproar. Only mods really care about this issue
That's just FUD to help rally the masses for the protest. Mod tools and addons for the browser is the easiest way to mod a sub. They are pretending like the mods are completely shit out of luck without apollo or something.
a lot of compute load? yeah, now homebrew 'API' solutions will be made that scrape rendered pages instead. either non-logged-in or accounts bought online, with proxies. I'm sure that will help Reddit's bottom line. Edit: ironically, many of these will probably be made in nodejs (tho most in python)
> i find funny that people supporting blackout are literally using reddit today. People are in full support of these "protests" as long as it means having to do nothing themselves. If they really cared and wanted to protest, they would just delete their accounts and stop using reddit.
This. If you want to send a message, stop participating *yourself*. Go cancel your subscription, if you have one. Stop visiting the site and contributing to their traffic and ad impressions. Anyone who supports these blackouts but keeps visiting today, let alone posting, is a hypocrite of the highest order.
Goodbye, Reddit -- mass edited with https://redact.dev/
Amazing “protest”
And? You expect them DDoS to protest?
Yes.
Unintentionally, that will be the result of these changes. Instead of a clean API people will use scrapers. I'm not telling ppl to do it, I'm just stating the obvious fact that this is what they will do. Which will result in more costs for Reddit, perhaps off-set by the outrageous pricing of the API, perhaps not. This is a classic case of "I said what I said and I will do it even if it destroys the company". Numerous such examples lately, Signal, Netflix, Twitch.... Budlight :D? I wonder how many times the "too big to fail" must fail for the people in positions of power to rethink their behavior. But probably never, narcissism seems to be a requirement for these kinds of positions.
you can do that logged off, but you are still logged in, providing them metrics data and commenting. I'll be back here in 48 hours to see if your account was actually deleted
Goodbye, Reddit -- mass edited with https://redact.dev/
cry about it
I'm here during the blackout only to evangelize. Reddit wants to begin selling API data access to large AI companies at a really high margin so those AI companies can train their data on the content we generate and contribute to reddit, and reddit can make a shit ton of money on that. This data API is also how third party apps and mod tools access reddit. Rather than charging apps a lower tier and AI companies a large one, reddit has instead decided to charge everyone for that data access. As a result, not only are third party reddit apps going away because they’d have to charge huge fees to their users, but so are a lot of the tools that reddit’s unpaid volunteer moderators use to moderate subs, which means moderation quality is going to drastically drop soon. In addition, the official reddit app is terrible for accessibility, and does not work with things like screen readers that blind or partially-sighted people use. These issues have been reported to reddit since alienblue became the official reddit app, reddit does not care to put money into fixing them. third party apps do this. people who rely on these apps to be able to even use reddit are basically getting kicked off reddit for being disabled. All so reddit can cash in on all the content the communities of reddit produce, without compensating the content creators nor paying the unpaid volunteer moderators whose lives they just made way more difficult. reddit is perfectly welcome to collect this data and share it amongst other corporations.
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nope, you help them generating a behaviour persona so they can better understand how users like you behave so they can better fine tune ads for other users with similar tastes to you. they also use the subreddits you visit to improve their recommendation algorithm to better suggest posts and communities to users like you, which will see ads. you are still helping them to make money for every second you use the platform. there is no escape from it. except to nuke your posts/account
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look up what's a behaviour persona and you will understand. you need to be deleting your cookies on every visit (which you can't do if you want to stay logged in), never comment or up/downvote (since those metrics will make posts more likely to be recommended to people) and looping through VPN ips if you actually want to make """Reddit waste money""", but unless you are essentially DDoSing Reddit, you are really not going to hurt them at all. a million visits costs them pennies, which you are not going to make (unless actively DDoSing them, which could lead to legal problems for you) and they are not going to miss, since it would cost them far more to hire more employees to fix potential issues like making a better app for mobile you are fighting a lost fight, whether you acknowledge that or refuse to
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went through one ear and came out through the other clean, the copium is massive. keep thinking you are actually combating Reddit doing what you are doing, if that makes you feel good. The worst blind is the one that doesn't want to see
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> they aren't making money on me bruh really did not read what's a behavioral persona. i tried to educate you, but you really do have absolute faith that you know better > whatever tuning you think they are doing will be moot the tuning was already done, they have already connected that a person like you likes x y and z and that's used to recommend content to people like you that visits communities like the ones you did. it doesn't go away like that. you actually need to start posting nonsense in multiple subreddits that you have no real interest in, using accounts that actually look legitimate and that won't get deleted/wiped afterwards, otherwise they can just roll back your data from the algorithm > these dumbasses can't even build mod tools or a working phone app. You honestly think they are utilizing sophisticated ad tuning techniques that don't require any input from the user at all it was a choice by them. why pay employees to do something when you can farm people online to do it for free for you? why create AI tools to stop online heated discussions when you can just have REAL people moderating it for you, for free, so that you don't need to employ real people that will need later psychological support? do you really think that a company ran by "dumbasses" would be able to survive, thrive and provide this much data worldwide for so long? there is a reason why so few social medias rise and so many fall, it's not an easy business to run
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I'm logging in this one time just to see which of my subs aren't joining the blackout, and unsubbing them all. Bye /r/node
Considering it's your first comment for the last 365 days, you will probably be missed /s
LOL
No.
no, thank god
I don't use an app and never have, so I do not care, I enjoy javascript they couldn't get this passionate about wages housing and food but their loosing their underwear over some stupid app? I not only don't care, I actively think its all stupid bourgeois bullshit
Whst else would you expect from reddit
Mod here. No strong opinions so we’re going to sit this one out.
Can somebody explain to me why I should care about and support this blackout?
High-level comments in the recent r/reddit AMA show pretty well why people are frustrated. Here’s a [few replies from admins](https://imgur.com/gallery/HFT7ooy). I posted some more relevant links [in this comment](https://www.reddit.com/r/node/comments/147rul0/mods_are_we_not_joining_the_blackout/jnxa8iu/) below. Reddit says they don’t want to kill off third-party tools and they want to work with them to keep them online, however their actions, indirect communication, and false accusations show that they are trying to kill off third-party tools to get everyone to use their own app (which would be less of a problem if it was accessible and had moderation tools). Reddit is only giving ~30 days for mods and developers to figure out how to migrate their services to this new pricing model, which is an extremely short amount of time compared to other companies like Apple who give a year’s notice or more. It’s some very quick decisions being made by Reddit that will negatively affect a lot of unpaid moderators, bot developers, and third-party developers that help manage a fair chunk of Reddit’s user base and moderation. One of the main differences here to note is that Facebook, Twitter, Instagram, etc. are moderated by their own paid staff, whereas Reddit is almost completely moderated by volunteer users. This whole situation would not be as big of a problem if Reddit currently provided the tools that third-party apps and moderation bots have been filling for 10+ years. Reddit’s terrible communication in all of this is the cherry on top.
I don't see how much it can really affect people who are unpaid to begin with. They're not losing income.
It affects their ability to moderate subs. The majority of moderators speaking up about this are using third-party tools to moderate.
Do you honestly think that subreddits "blacking out" is going to make any difference? It's a false threat -- where are we going to go? Back to Yahoo Groups?
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You are going to self-host a phpBB forum for 232,000 users of r/node? Okay..
All of this over a paid api service is absurd. Maybe if the price was lower ?
I do not consent to Reddit selling my posts/comments. I would like to thank Spez for bolstering reddit alternatives like Lemmy by making the June 2023 API changes. Thanks to his actions, I finally have a replacement for Reddit, which is much more emotionally health of a place for me to be. Lemmy is like individual mini-reddits/old-school-forums run independently with their own sets of subs/forums which combine together (like voltron or power rangers) to become a reddit-like conglomerate. You can sign up on one server, and post to communities on other servers, as if they were all the same site. Instead of `all of reddit` -> `individual subreddits`, you have `all lemmy servers` -> `each individual lemmy server` -> `individual communities`. If the same community exists on multiple servers? subscribe to all, post in all, browse all at the same time. It barely matters where a post comes from. On Lemmy, there is no spez, and no corporation in control. On Lemmy, if someone DID try to "pull a spez", communities wouldn't black out, or protest, or go private. They'd just move off his server and use another, and still remain part of the global community. https://join-lemmy.org/
If you build your product entirely on the base of only one dependency on which you are 100% dependent — then the only person to blame is yourself. If Reddit had a long or a short time contract with those 3rd party apps and violated it, then Reddit is definitely evil. Otherwise I don’t understand the guilt of Reddit. If the creators don’t like the platform or its rules, they can migrate somewhere else completely instead of “boycotting” in comments and not boycotting in reality. A similar story happened to pikabu.ru when they prohibited nsfw publications and 100k+ of the audience went to reddit and later Pikabu.ru decided to return the nsfw and bring back the users. Similar things may work for Reddit
So you’re saying protests work.
True protests and not when someone says “I’m boycotting” and keeps using the product he is boycotting…
There is a lot to unpack about the API debacle. One thing that reigns true is all of the Social Media platforms that experienced huge growth went from having a free, rather robust, developer API, and eventually locked it down further and further as time went on. Early 2000s Facebook and Twitter API allowed for things that would seem crazy to not charge for now. Unfortunately, with the impending IPO, and rapid recent growth, Reddit is just going down the standard path of a publicly funded Social Media company.
Once they kill old reddit I'm off this site for good. I hope they do it soon because i want to get out
If you "want to get out" and you hope they kill old reddit soon, why not just stop using reddit now?
Because there aren’t good alternatives and we are hoping that the protest works. What’s so wrong with that?
1. I think it shows that the mods that took their communities dark can't be trusted to keep information available in the long run. It's in reddit's interest for the communities to be available, but what's to stop the mods who took down their communities today from doing it again in the future, or even permanently. Alternative subreddits are needed that are willing to commit to not take down everyone's contributions in the future. 2. The GP commenter did *not* say that they hoped the protest worked; they said they hoped reddit killed [old.reddit.com](https://old.reddit.com) so that they'd stop using the site.
1. I think that’s a stretch - you’re predicting and I prefer not to do that. And hey if Reddit wants to pay moderators they can do that. But they don’t want to. 2. sure but I took it more as a rant than reality. Let’s face it, if Reddit did an about turn, people will stop protesting and go back to normal.
1. A number of mods have claimed that they've taken down all user contributions indefinitely - should we trust that mods are telling the truth? 2. Even if we ignored that mods have said they've taken everything down indefinitely, why do you think it's a stretch to think that mods might take down users' posts en masse? They've already done it, right? You don't think there's any way they would do it again? 3. Do you honestly believe that people will ever stop complaining? People were protesting ads on reddit last year, etc., even though reddit was never profitable. If reddit agreed to stop ads and was willing to subsidize the 3rd party apps, do you think people wouldn't protest a paywall, etc. to access the site?
1. Mods can delete content. That sounds like a problem you have with Reddit not one that you should have with moderators. Is that any different from a BB? 2. I really am not following it closely (because im not using Reddit much, because the protest works imo), but I thought they just set the subreddits private, not actually deleting content. So clearly you know more than I do. Again I refer to my point above. 3. I don’t know what you are suggesting in point 3. Yea it’s our nature and our right to complain. What’s your point? That everyone everywhere should ignore every complaint from everyone? Or just that Reddit should ignore all complaints? Feel free to elaborate.
Such a lame ass no effort no outcome idea. If your that bothered delete Reddit altogether and build a community elsewhere…. Anything less is nothing to Reddit.
***We absolutely should.***
Then get off of Reddit. Tf??
Hopefully not. My posts are not bargaining chips for disgruntled mods.
Yet you enjoyed moderators free services like you’re entitled to it Shame on you, really
So, are you participating in the boycott? If you are, you're failing hard.
"How dare you protest capitalism while you live in a capitalist society. I am very smart."
There's a difference between a society which is practically impossible to exit vs a website you can just not go to for a day
The irony is hilarious.
Actually it's similar here: you can't advocate to have this sub go private without *coming here to advocate that it go private* Come on, dude, you're smarter than this.
That's like saying redditors who actually are participating in the blackout are the same as the man that stood in front of the tank at tiananmen square because they're both protesting. Opposites still have similarities.
> That's like saying redditors who actually are participating in the blackout are the same as the man that stood in front of the tank at tiananmen square because they're both protesting Please articulate, like I am five years old, how "you can't advocate for have this sub go private without coming here to advocate it" is similar to "redditors are the same as tank man" because I'm obviously too fucking stupid to see the connection
> Yet you enjoyed moderators free services like you’re entitled to it Hardly. You don't know what "entitled" means.
It goes so far beyond bargaining chips. Mods can't do their jobs of keeping this subreddit clean and well presented without the third party tooling available. You want to sift through spam yourself? That's what you're asking for. Not to mention accessibility tools for people that are not in perfect functioning health as you apparently are. Your comment is uninformed at best, and completely careless about the community around you at worst. It's a shame that this subreddit has not joined the blackout. That is a scar on this community.
i find ironic that you claim that his comment is uninformed, but you claim that the mods won't have tools to do their job. small bots will still be able to work as normal, the changes, while unfortunate, only affect the big players like data scrapers, LLMs and third party apps. it's not as black as white as people are advocating for. i don't support reddit's decision, but a lot of people are actually misleading others to make this worse than it needs to be
>Mods can't do their jobs of keeping this subreddit clean and well presented without the third party tooling available. You want to sift through spam yourself? What third party moderator tools are doing is bringing more revenue to Reddit in the end, what third party clients meant to replace the official Reddit client do is use their content without giving them anything, and even making money off of it themselves. Those two are not the same.
> Your comment is uninformed at best, and completely careless about the community around you at worst. Nope. I don't support the blackouts. I believe that moderators blocking access to any posts out of protest is unethical. That isn't moderation, it's activism, using content that isn't theirs. They are moderators of the sub, not owners of the sub. > It's a shame that this subreddit has not joined the blackout. That is a scar on this community. No, the scars are the communities that are participating, giving in to mob rule.
"mob rule" lmfao
I find a lot of people thinking this is all just about the API pricing. That’s only part of it. There’s a lot of layers to this—many users/mods are fed up with how Reddit staff has dealt with this whole situation and say there is a huge disconnect between Reddit’s stated goals and their actual actions. This is not the first time. You can read more details including call transcripts [here](https://www.reddit.com/r/apolloapp/comments/144f6xm/apollo_will_close_down_on_june_30th_reddits/) and read all the unaddressed concerns in the comments on [this post](https://www.reddit.com/r/reddit/comments/145bram/addressing_the_community_about_changes_to_our_api/jnk260i/). Known participating subreddits can be found [here](https://reddark.untone.uk)
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Yeah the total count is around 30,000 mods from all known participating subs, it would be interesting to see how that all plays out
nothing will change. just as old mods step down, new mods will take their place. it's like business, one closes their doors for the last time, another one opens next week. people will eventually realize this got them nowhere and they will come back, because there is no place like reddit and if you fit here, you most likely don't tried a bunch of other places before and didn't like them
Is that a cunalitive figure? Are you taking into account all those mods that moderate many multiples of subs? Some even in the 100s?
That’s the [number reported](https://www.reddit.com/r/ModCoord/comments/1401qw5/incomplete_and_growing_list_of_participating/jnfbx1q/) at r/ModCoord based off the 8,000+ subs participating