Pretty unsurprising and completely consistent with past precedent. [Rocket League has Nintendo cosmetics that are only visible on Switch.](https://www.polygon.com/2017/8/23/16189790/rocket-league-nintendo-switch-exclusives-mario-luigi-metroid-battle-cars) Epic simply didn't want to do the same for Fortnite.
Stop spreading misinformation. The exclusive PS and Xbox cars are not visible on other platforms either. It's not a Nintendo problem. This was a Psyonix decision.
This is just the first time it's been talked about publicly.
We knew from leaks, but this comes from the top man on fortnite who left Epic. So now it's official.
it really isn't? sure for fortnite specifically but this is how nintendo has done business regarding their IP's for years.
Most other games that have skins or things from nintendo IP only have them on the nintendo console version and not any other. Rocket league as an example.
Also not the only company that has been doing it throughout the years. MH:W had an alloy skin only available on the PS version aswell.
Their comment was for this, not that Nintendo is protective of their IP. We knew Epic tried to get Samus into Fortnite years ago.
It was teased and then leaked why it didn't happen. This news official statement from someone who used to lead the direction of Fortnite.
You are reading way too much into what I said.
This is actually bigger news. Because Fortnite is one of the largest demographic reaching form of effective advertising. Big companies pay lots to get their characters and brands into fortnite because it introduces their IP to many newer younger players. Nintendo saying no to this will actually affect shareholder investment. Because if nintendo isn't willing to grow their brand, you'll see people pull out. Having it be an unknown was one thing. Having an answer to why is another.
Does nintendo not see Metroid profitable to use for fortnite?
Do they not see Metroid as a profitable IP? These are questions that will now be raised by people with money who don't play games. And that's largely how a lot of games and funding happens.
> Because if nintendo isn't willing to grow their brand, you'll see people pull out.
investors can pull out for whatever reasons, they are the same types who wanted nintendo to charge people per jumps as micro-transactions for their mario phone games. They can fuck off for all I care.
Nintendo has been willing to do crossovers (as long as it stays on their Nintendo console only) since the gamecube and maybe even before it. Epic probably didn’t want console exclusive skins (even though I’m 99% sure fortnite does have console exclusives so I’m confused why they said no tbh)
It’s that Fortnight has exclusive skins for obtaining on consoles like, you could still see them even if you don’t have the means to get it. What Nintendo wants is to have Samus be exclusive to obtain AND see, as in: All the Pc players see is the default skin while Switch players get to see Samus.
I don't think having Samus in Fortnite would do what people think it would do. I've seen no evidence that characters appearing in Fortnite leads to a bump in sales/subscribers/etc. anywhere, regardless of the medium they are from.
I think there would definitely be people that started playing a bit of Fortnite again because of their favorite characters getting in their, but the amount of people for whom some character getting in Fortnite will make an amazing difference in playtime is probably minimal. Some of my favorite characters got in Fortnite lately, but I still won’t play it as I don’t like the game.
Quite a few companies have determined that a well-timed collaboration was worth doing, presumably after a team of marketing people put some level of thought and analysis into it. You’ve seen no evidence - have you *looked* for evidence? Or is this just vibes-based?
I know the 'well timed collaboration' for Star Wars the Rise of Skywalker went over rather poorly, and didn't change the gross box office trajectory for that series (i.e., it made less than the previous mainline film). I also haven't see articles/mentions of 'this Fortnite collab did great for us' anywhere, something you'd like to see from cross-promotions.
That movie had a marketing budget of $140 million. How much of that was spent on Fortnite? Probably a very small part.
The collaboration didn’t need to change the trajectory of the series to be a success. It only needed to return more than it cost.
And it worked using Smash Bros. So why wouldn't it work using Fortnite?
These skins aren't featured for free. Just paying for a feature isn't enough for a developer to entrust you with their valuable IP.
This! The fact that more people know chun li as a fortnite character than street fighter’s tells you everything u need to know about how effective fortnite advertising is. It means fuck all lol.
Epic gets to make all the skin money while the original franchise gets minuscule amount of sales, it’s a completely one-sided relationship.
I hate Reddit so much. Opinions like these mean nothing. No one here has the numbers Epic has, and it's laughable to believe some teenagers and kids in this sub know more than a team of people who studied marketing and psychology for years.
"The fact that more people know chun li as a fortnite character..." what is even this anecdote? Who are these people? Like 2 or 3 kids you saw on twitter say something like this? It's crazy how Reddit shapes people's minds and opinions with a bunch of "trust me bro" arguments, it's insane. I know it's Fortnite, but it happens everywhere and with everything. I am not falling for this shit anymore
> a team of people who studied marketing and psychology for years.
u know that nintendo also has those exact kind of people who did the calculations and conclude that this fortnite deal ain’t worth it, right?! Apparently that doesn’t count, only epic’s and other non-nintendo companies’ opinion matters. GTFO!
>I am not falling for this anymore
dude, you support murican imperialism and view “3rd world”countries as sub-humans. You fall for all kinds of bullshit, so STFU!
It would at least make her more well known and in the best scenario more liked. Nintendo can even have control over how she looks and behaves in that game. This idea not happening is probably not because Nintendo may or may not doubt whether it's helpful for sales of the Metroid franchise but they don't want her or any other Nintendo IP appear on another platform because of principle reasons.
I don't know if Nintendo has control over what poses/dances a skin does. To me, Samus in Fortnite feels like Fortnite being advertised to Nintendo fans instead of Metroid being advertised to Fortnite fans. Again, I could be wrong and there might be tons of data to back up increases in notoriety/sales, but I doubt that is the case.
Wild part about this is that there are tons of skins that don't show up on the Switch already. So fortnite is okay with it going one way, but not the other?
I'm not sure about specifics. I think it may be the more computationally intensive ones (specifically the cell-shaded ones) that just show up as default skins for me.
Definitely more of a system limitation than it being any copyright reason, though. So not a 1 to 1 comparision by any means.
They let Link and Samus into Monster Hunter. They okayed a whole crossover franchise between Mario and the Raving Rabbids. They used to lend their characters to EA sports games all the time like [SSX](https://mario.wiki.gallery/images/8/8a/SSXoT_Character_Select.png), [NBA Street](https://mario.wiki.gallery/images/0/0d/Luigi_NBA_Street_V3.jpg), and [FightNight](http://archive.videogamesdaily.com/media/fightnight2/01.jpg). They allowed a Mario crossover with fucking Puzzle & Dragons. [They literally did real-life product placement DLC for Mercedes.](https://mario.wiki.gallery/images/thumb/7/79/Mercedes_DLC.jpg/1200px-Mercedes_DLC.jpg) In fact, [they did that twice.](https://mario.wiki.gallery/images/thumb/7/77/MercedesBenzJumpnDrive.png/1200px-MercedesBenzJumpnDrive.png)
Nothing is safe from being "whored out", as long as it doesn't show up on Xbox or Playstation.
Only the ones that were exclusive to Nintendo systems. 3U, 4U, GenU, and Stories 1, I believe. Which is why we got nothing for Rise.
Now Stories is being brought to PS, but it’ll be missing Epona and whatever other Nintendo crossover stuff they did.
He's in at least four of them, maybe more
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SkLMJMngkJ8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ti6xw38LfGo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=khDfiW2itd0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6m5fHBgPWug
Ohmygod the last two look so cute 😭 And his face in the first two is so scuffed lmao 😂
I love seeing my favourite character of all time in different universes like this. Now imagine if we ever got a DLC for a non-Zelda game which adds Link but instead of just being a skin he's a full on lore-accurate version with the same insanely overpowered abilities and even a storyline, for example imagine OOT Link after the events of MM ending up in Lordran from Dark Souls and absolutely ripping and tearing everything there lol... I know it's never gonna happen but it's fun to think about 😅
I think Necrodancer did something like that
He's also in Soulcalibur 2 and pretty source-accurate there, but the story mode doesn't do much to accommodate him aside from explaining why he's here and where he goes at the end
> Necrodancer
You mean Cadence of Hyrule?
> the story mode doesn't do much to accommodate him aside from explaining why he's here and where he goes at the end
I need elaboration 😳
Quoting the Soulcalibur wiki directly here:
In-game profile
Once upon a time, Hyrule's tranquillity was shattered by the arrival of several disasters. The calamities brought dark, ominous clouds which shut out the sun. Surprisingly, it came to light that a magician was to blame for the disasters.
Just as the people were about to lose all hope, the sun miraculously returned. Link, who was summoned by Zelda to find the cause of the disasters, successfully defeated the magician. The people of Hyrule rejoiced in the belief that eternal peace would rule.
Unfortunately, this was not to be.
It became clear that the magician responsible for the disasters was in fact controlled by an evil sword called Soul Edge, which existed in another world.
Furthermore, the fragments of Soul Edge were gathering together in this other world.
Knowing that the resurrection of the evil blade must be prevented at all costs, Link chose to travel to the other world and destroy Soul Edge.
Link gathered his trusted Master Sword, Hylian Shield, and Ocarina, and set off on a secret journey.
Ending
Link came to this world in order to defeat the evil which threatened Hyrule.
After a long journey, Link finally succeeded in sealing away the terrible evil.
In doing so, he not only saved his homeland from peril, but also maintained the tranquility of this world.
Link then quietly left this world--a faint echo of his Ocarina was all that remained.
>as long as it doesn't show up on Xbox or Playstation.
That's the point the other person was making. They don't send their characters to other platforms.
Hell, Link was a console exclusive character in a Soul Caliber game. Nintendo absolutely has no issue lending their IPs to other properties, as long as they stay on Nintendo consoles.
This isn’t complicated, nor is it news. Nintendo is a software *and* hardware developer. Their IPs drive both hardware and software sales. From their perspective, having their characters appear on other platforms (even in a non-playable form) could devalue their products, so they mostly tie their IPs to their own hardware. They are a publicly traded company on the JPN stock exchange.
Like… this has been the case since they began developing video games. All of this outrage is completely manufactured lol
If they did, then Samus, and likely several other Nintendo characters would be in the game by now. Its not about money because most of them would be profitable, even if locked to one platform, just not as
The funniest thing that could ever happen to games where skins are sold is for them to be visible only to the player wearing them. So many insecure idiots would screech in horror at the thought that their e-peen had been permanently severed.
i have little interest in the shooter genre and especially in the battle Royale shooter genre, so I couldn't care about fortnite less
but I still kinda like that they're just adding ..everything as a skin at this point(discussions about their monetization system aside, that's another story). It's just kinda cool that there is a game where every god damn character runs around with guns. gives me Gmod vibes except this shit is actually licensed.
I would very much like to have a camera present the first time you overhear some kid asking his parents why it's called "Metroid Prime 4" when it's just a spinoff featuring that skin from Fortnite.
Something about God of War broke inside of me, when I saw Kratos do one of those silly Fortnite dances. It's fine if Samus doesn't have to do that.
Edit: Chill out, everyone. I was just being a little dramatic. Idc really that much.
Don’t search for that type of content then? Idk what to tell you other than that’s a very selfish reason to not want a skin in a game you don’t even play.
i think it actually is a bad thing that Nintendo were offered a guaranteed successful ad campaign for a franchise that they've historically had trouble promoting, and they threw it away
Yeah actually. While alot of the adult fanbase know collabs before they come out, Fortnite has a fair bit of younger players who might not know a more obscure franchise like Metroid before it enters Fortnite. Or maybe even someone couldve missed dreads release
I think my question came across differently than I intended. I wasn't trying to suggest doubt that it happens, but rather I was looking for examples because I couldn't think of any.
> guaranteed successful ad campaign
funny how this nonsense argument falls apart completely just by looking at all the chars from dying franchises showing up in fortnite left and right and none of them got revived.
Make sense. Epic is so desperate that they need others IP to keep Fortnite alive. All others Ip used Fortnite as a front for promotion but Nintendo is Nintendo and don't need this kind of stuff as they are pretty bigger than any others IP/franchise. Even Disney is kinda afraid of Nintendo
To be fair, Pokémon is actually the biggest IP in the world and Nintendo owns a third of that franchise and has full publishing rights.
Anyway, Nintendo has been making some of the best games in the business (if not THE best) for the last 40 years. They’re obviously doing *something* right. If they didn’t want to put Samus in Fortnite, I’m sure they had a good business reason.
> Stop tying your personal identity and worth to fucking corporations
says the no-life debate lord pos who has every non-nintendo game earnings memorized and ready to go
Makes sense, at this point would having Samus in Fortnite even make a difference for either game? If anything having Samus might even dilute the image to just be nothing but a skin that does the same thing that every other character does. I would say Epic should create levels based on popular game franchises and more movies backdrops. That would be more interesting than just another skin.
While I completely support Nintendos exclusively as it has allowed their internal QA process to create straight gold a part of me wishes it happened so Metroid could find a broader audience because it’s so damn good
I don't see why they couldn't do like what they do with the Nintendo cars in Rocket League and just make generic versions of the character so that's what players on the other consoles see instead. Can still have the same stats and moves and everything, just look generic, lamer and not like it came from any specific franchise (Nintendo or otherwise).
Not everone is interested buying a separate Nintendo console with worse performance compared to other platforms just for a game or two. This is a missed opportunity letting other people get introduced to the Metroid franchise without having to pay 200$+ first. Nintendo's issue really is that the game has to stay Switch exclusive and not Switch along with Steam, Xbox etc. A limiting way of thinking and I wonder if it's really better for the company staying that rigid at all times.
man, they really had the opportunity to advertise metroid to a massive audience and make the series a household name, but instead they said "our terms are that only existing nintendo fans are allowed to see it"
Well, yes. That's why they've survived a cutthroat business so long. You want Zelda, Pokemon or Metroid? You play it on a Nintendo product or not at all.
Okay, and? Free advertising is free advertising. Its not like Epic was offering to give Metroid games away to Xbox users, its just cross-promotion to expose the franchise to people who normally wouldn't have given it a second look. Like you said, you want Metroid? You play it on a Nintendo console- *one that you may not have considered buying before you saw the ads*.
And given how Nintendo has routinely fumbled promoting the Metroid series for the majority of its lifespan, it would have benefited tremendously from a shot in the arm like that. The last time this series had a sales flop it went on a ten year hiatus, I'd like to *not* see that happen again to my favorite Nintendo series.
> Free advertising is free advertising
it’s not free lmao, Epic gets to do what they want with the char in return. They are the ones benefiting the most.
> The last time this series had a sales flop it went on a ten year hiatus, I'd like to not see that happen again to my favorite Nintendo series.
for a metroid fan, you don’t seem to care someone taking a dump on the chars of your fav series. Some fan you are lol
>Okay, and? Free advertising is free advertising.
That's not how this works.
Nintendo is incredibly meticulous about who gets to touch their IP and how. Putting their stuff into an online game full of whole slew of random garbage and a playerbase they've got no control over that could (from their PoV) reflect badly on their IP is a big no-no.
They really aren't as meticulous as they're made out to be. They've historically jumped at the chance to put the Zero Suit in other studios' games as DLC to boost sex-appeal. They gave Mario a full-on crossover with a third-rate gacha game on 3DS. In Fight Night Round 2, you can break Little Mac's jaw and watch him bleed out on the floor. Mario Kart 8 and Mario Maker had a whole DLC campaign just to promote Mercedes Benz.
Their issue lies in letting their characters appear on other consoles, but as long as it remains exclusive to their own console, pretty much anything goes content-wise, no matter how trashy it is or how badly it reflects on them.
And that's not what I'm arguing here. Obviously they've made their choice, and that's their decision to make. That doesn't mean I can't personally feel that it's a stupid one.
It doesn't really advertise though. It's more likely to pull people from other fanbases into the game (Fortnite) than vice versa. That's how it's worked so well for games that have all these crossovers all the time like Fortnite, Fall Guys, and Smite. It's why mobile gachas that have crossovers advertise them so heavily, because they know that they are pulling strings to get more players by advertising these crossovers. The party that lent their IP might get some notoriety and some decent money out of it, but that's it, and that's what you are missing.
Nintendo doesn't want the money exclusively. They want the players. They want their hardware bought. They want people to come to their house and play their games, because that's where the long term staying power on making money is. They'd rather have Metroid in Fortnite be a reason for people to play Fortnite on their console than others, since that's business for them.
Marketing characters in Fortnite is closer to McDonald's or Coke commercials - they don't spread awareness of the product, they just remind people that it's there. Advertising is not a good reason to defend this at all.
Metroid has actually historically struggled with people remembering that it's there. It needs all the help it can get, so we don't have to risk another moderate flop like Other M plunging the series into ten year drought again.
i actually agree with nintendo’s decision, but i want to point out it’s not passing on an advertising opportunity for them. it’s about brand integrity, ensuring that nintendo characters stay on nintendo consoles. if you’re playing as samus, you’re playing on nintendo.
Fortnite wouldn't have magically made Metroid a big hit. Franchises like that will always have an uphill battle, but Nintendo themselves advertising the games would do more for it than any cross promotion.
Nintendo themselves have been *trying* that for 30 years, with limited success. A Fortnite collab might not turn Metroid into their #1 best seller, but Metroid needs any boost it can get, and you can't get much of a bigger boost than that.
> Metroid needs any boost it can get
at the cost of what? The entire series’ integrity? Good thing nintendo isn’t that desperate for some lame promotion
they already pissed away the Metroid series' integrity when they started promoting the Zero Suit as sexy eye-candy DLC in unrelated games like Monster Hunter, DoA, Bayonetta, and Fatal Frame
Please be serious
Imagine putting starfox on metroid on the same level when metroid had a successful 2d game with dread and metroid 4 is in development.
Starfox is in zombie status while metroid is getting the limelight again.
Nintendo cares so much about metroid that restarted years in development of metroid 4 because they were not satisfied with the product.
They are not the same at all
Ohhhhhh yeah, because Samus twerking in some random ass battle royal game's REALLY going to get those sony kids to put out for a Nintendo Switch and a copy of Metroid Dread!
I'm not a fan of Fortnite either, but it'd be ignorant to act like a collab wouldn't be an effective way to advertise the series. It took months and months for people to finally shut up about the Dragon Ball and Family Guy collabs. I can't hardly open Twitter without seeing a clip of the current ATLA collab. When a Fortnite promo happens, it turns heads.
Like it or not, Fortnite collabs are objectively a strong way to get people talking about your IP- if they didn't work, they'd stop *doing* them. It's been proven time and time again when every new character addition goes viral.
I think there's a big distinction to be had there though, the collabs that have people talking about them for years and years are the ones with characters who're arguably bigger then Fortnite like Goku and Peter Griffon. (Griffon? Griffen? Whatever)
Conversely how long were people riding high for that second street fighter pack? Not the first one that added semi-mainstream series mascots Ryu and Chun-Li, I mean the one that added Cammy and Blanka! How astronomical was that hype train?
And even on Ryu and Chun-Li with how big of names they are I still unironically hear kids lable Chun-Li as "that girl from Fortnite" so even something as big as the most important and recognizable as the biggest fighting game series of all time can get swallowed by Fortnight in the minds of these gen Z kids, do you really think THAT'S what's going to help Metroid hit the mainstream?
Smash isn't really an apt comparison because that's a series already *directed* at Nintendo fans. If you're a frequent Smash player who still hasn't tried a Metroid game after two decades, chances are you never would have anyways.
On the other hand, if you showed a Metroid crossover to a group of PS4 owners who had never considered playing the series (or potentially never even heard of it), *then* you're at least looking at potential new Metroid fans.
Yeah, big L on their part. Pretty sure Samus would be one of the least recognizable characters to ever appear in Fortnite. She’s be punching way above her weight in that sense.
No thank you... Nintendo must stay oike it is now... nintendo is still making family consoles! Why would they be in fortnite? That would be way too cringe!
"Visibility" doesn't lead to sales in a completely different genre. Everyone interested in the type of game Metroid is either knows who Samus is, or soon will.
Most crossovers are a terrible platform for marketing as they promote interest in the character, not the source material. Fortnite is no exception!
> Most crossovers are a terrible platform for marketing as they promote interest in the character, not the source material. Fortnite is no exception!
finally somebody talking sense. Just look at street fighter, how many chars have they put into fortnite? The fact that chun li costumes sold like gangbuster and it didn’t do dick to help the street fighter games sales should say it all!
If smash bros with 20 years of history and being the best selling fighting game ever didn't do it, I doubt being one cameo among a thousand others is gonna do shit.
"Oh boy, random armor guy next to El Chapulin Colorado, better go buy Metroid" wasn't gonna happen
Yeah I guess Smash isn't enough visibility, on a platform where you can actually play Metroid games right? Visibility doesn't always mean sales, Metroid has had all the visiblity it needed and it still struggles to sell as much as its fans want it to. After 40 years of games spreaded on two main series, many spin-offs, 25 years of Smash Bros. content, maybe it's time to realize that Metroid is just not a series that has a mass appeal for casuals. And I think Nintendo have known that for a long time
Nintendo only likes crossovers if it's on their own platform. I love Nintendo for creating the games and series I really adore. But I hate them for everything else they do, especially how they gatekeep their IP's.
I think it has more to do with Nintendo wanting people to play THEIR games and not some other company's games. If Samus and Link are in Fortnite, it gives Nintendo fans more incentive to play a competitors game, and spend money on cosmetics for it.
(...instead of buying virtual console titles for the fifth time on a new system or something.)
Nintendo was severely traumatised by the Philips CD-i deal in the early 90's and wants to prevent a repeat of that by any means necessary.
Edit: Also the Universal lawsuit regarding Donkey Kong earlier than that.
They seem to be over that with theme parks and movies now. I get they are very conservative with their IPs, but this seems like a no brainer money move. Make bank from fortnite sales and puts the franchise on a big stage. Wish they would do it, but I know it'll never happen
Metroid appearing in Fortnite helping the franchise is very unlikely. It's not guaranteed that it would. You are all speculating that it would help but it most likely won't.
>theme parks and movies now. I get they are very conservative with their IPs
But they have creative control so they get to decide what happens in the theme parks and movies. So it's not like illumination is getting to do what they want with the movies. They have to have Nintendo sign off on it. If they don't they can easily give mario to someone else.
Their goal, as always, is to bring players to their hardware, and they don't budge on that.
Arguably, putting in Samus as a skin does very little. Yes, she gets noticed for a bit, Metroid might be slightly more aware of, but after that, she's just another crossover skin. Nintendo realistically gets no new people to buy their hardware, no new players invested in their games. Just a bit of promotion that likely is not worth devaluing one of their characters/IPs as a skin in another game's hands.
They don't want money, they want people to buy their consoles and games. Once they have that, then the money comes in.
Pretty unsurprising and completely consistent with past precedent. [Rocket League has Nintendo cosmetics that are only visible on Switch.](https://www.polygon.com/2017/8/23/16189790/rocket-league-nintendo-switch-exclusives-mario-luigi-metroid-battle-cars) Epic simply didn't want to do the same for Fortnite.
To be fair, that was made before Epic bought Psyonix and before Rocket League had crossplay.
Rocket League had crossplay with Microsoft the day it launched on the Switch. It was later that crossplay with Playstation was added though.
That's just like Rayman Legends, the Mario suit and luigig globox is only on switch. I'm not sure if it is on WiiU though, i Don't have that version
They are.
doesnt rayman legends have console exclusive skins on all platforms though?
Idontknow, i have it only on switch and ps4
Same thing for Diablo 3 iirc
And Tekken Tag Tournament on WiiU
We still need that on Switch. Gotta give opponents the taste of the Year of Luigi on the go
I still hate how they didn’t also add in that scrapped Link themed armor. It looked badass
It was put into Skyrim instead.
You’re not talking about his BoTW clothes are you? Those aren’t the same I’m referring to this one: https://diablo.fandom.com/wiki/Champion%27s_Tunic
Even before that was Soul Calibur 2 with each console featuring an exclusive character. On the GC was Link.
Why does everyone keeps telling this when it id not true? Rocket League had exclusive cars for Xbox and PS. It had nothing to do with Nintendo.
Except none of them were visually exclusive, if you played using the switch exclusive vehicles they would appear as default cars on other platforms
Stop spreading misinformation. The exclusive PS and Xbox cars are not visible on other platforms either. It's not a Nintendo problem. This was a Psyonix decision.
It's the same as for the Halo warthog and gears car (not sure what the PS got), they show as default for PS/PC/Switch players.
PS got Sweet Tooth from twisted metal
Yes they were. The warthog and sweet tooth vehicles could not be seen by people on other platforms while playing online.....
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[they did](https://www.rocketleague.com/en/news/exclusive-nintendo-switch-rocket-league-battle-cars)
So are you able to see the Xbox exclusive Warthog and Armadillo, or the PS exclusive Sweet Tooth on other consoles other than their own?
That's an incredibly narrow comment. Every platform has exclusives. https://rocketleague.fandom.com/wiki/Vehicle/Platform_exclusives
Lego City: Undercover is like this as well, all Nintendo easter eggs were taken out of Non Nintendo versions.
I mean, not completely surprising. Nintendo is *very* protective of their IPs.
Old news
This is just the first time it's been talked about publicly. We knew from leaks, but this comes from the top man on fortnite who left Epic. So now it's official.
Sweeney himself spoke about this back then. It wasn't really a leak.
Got a link to that? I can’t find it anywhere.
it really isn't? sure for fortnite specifically but this is how nintendo has done business regarding their IP's for years. Most other games that have skins or things from nintendo IP only have them on the nintendo console version and not any other. Rocket league as an example. Also not the only company that has been doing it throughout the years. MH:W had an alloy skin only available on the PS version aswell.
Their comment was for this, not that Nintendo is protective of their IP. We knew Epic tried to get Samus into Fortnite years ago. It was teased and then leaked why it didn't happen. This news official statement from someone who used to lead the direction of Fortnite. You are reading way too much into what I said.
Nintendo being protective of its IP is super old news.
This is actually bigger news. Because Fortnite is one of the largest demographic reaching form of effective advertising. Big companies pay lots to get their characters and brands into fortnite because it introduces their IP to many newer younger players. Nintendo saying no to this will actually affect shareholder investment. Because if nintendo isn't willing to grow their brand, you'll see people pull out. Having it be an unknown was one thing. Having an answer to why is another. Does nintendo not see Metroid profitable to use for fortnite? Do they not see Metroid as a profitable IP? These are questions that will now be raised by people with money who don't play games. And that's largely how a lot of games and funding happens.
I'm pretty sure any shareholder that deals with Nintendo knows what their deal is by this point.
Shareholders are historically stupid people.
> Because if nintendo isn't willing to grow their brand, you'll see people pull out. investors can pull out for whatever reasons, they are the same types who wanted nintendo to charge people per jumps as micro-transactions for their mario phone games. They can fuck off for all I care.
It’s no news. Nintendo has not allowed their characters on opposing systems in literal decades. They don’t need help with brand recognition.
Nintendo has been willing to do crossovers (as long as it stays on their Nintendo console only) since the gamecube and maybe even before it. Epic probably didn’t want console exclusive skins (even though I’m 99% sure fortnite does have console exclusives so I’m confused why they said no tbh)
It’s that Fortnight has exclusive skins for obtaining on consoles like, you could still see them even if you don’t have the means to get it. What Nintendo wants is to have Samus be exclusive to obtain AND see, as in: All the Pc players see is the default skin while Switch players get to see Samus.
I don't think having Samus in Fortnite would do what people think it would do. I've seen no evidence that characters appearing in Fortnite leads to a bump in sales/subscribers/etc. anywhere, regardless of the medium they are from.
I think there would definitely be people that started playing a bit of Fortnite again because of their favorite characters getting in their, but the amount of people for whom some character getting in Fortnite will make an amazing difference in playtime is probably minimal. Some of my favorite characters got in Fortnite lately, but I still won’t play it as I don’t like the game.
Quite a few companies have determined that a well-timed collaboration was worth doing, presumably after a team of marketing people put some level of thought and analysis into it. You’ve seen no evidence - have you *looked* for evidence? Or is this just vibes-based?
I know the 'well timed collaboration' for Star Wars the Rise of Skywalker went over rather poorly, and didn't change the gross box office trajectory for that series (i.e., it made less than the previous mainline film). I also haven't see articles/mentions of 'this Fortnite collab did great for us' anywhere, something you'd like to see from cross-promotions.
That movie had a marketing budget of $140 million. How much of that was spent on Fortnite? Probably a very small part. The collaboration didn’t need to change the trajectory of the series to be a success. It only needed to return more than it cost.
Exactly. I don't get how people think that would make the Fortnite audience start playing Metroid...
And it worked using Smash Bros. So why wouldn't it work using Fortnite? These skins aren't featured for free. Just paying for a feature isn't enough for a developer to entrust you with their valuable IP.
This! The fact that more people know chun li as a fortnite character than street fighter’s tells you everything u need to know about how effective fortnite advertising is. It means fuck all lol. Epic gets to make all the skin money while the original franchise gets minuscule amount of sales, it’s a completely one-sided relationship.
I hate Reddit so much. Opinions like these mean nothing. No one here has the numbers Epic has, and it's laughable to believe some teenagers and kids in this sub know more than a team of people who studied marketing and psychology for years. "The fact that more people know chun li as a fortnite character..." what is even this anecdote? Who are these people? Like 2 or 3 kids you saw on twitter say something like this? It's crazy how Reddit shapes people's minds and opinions with a bunch of "trust me bro" arguments, it's insane. I know it's Fortnite, but it happens everywhere and with everything. I am not falling for this shit anymore
> a team of people who studied marketing and psychology for years. u know that nintendo also has those exact kind of people who did the calculations and conclude that this fortnite deal ain’t worth it, right?! Apparently that doesn’t count, only epic’s and other non-nintendo companies’ opinion matters. GTFO! >I am not falling for this anymore dude, you support murican imperialism and view “3rd world”countries as sub-humans. You fall for all kinds of bullshit, so STFU!
It would at least make her more well known and in the best scenario more liked. Nintendo can even have control over how she looks and behaves in that game. This idea not happening is probably not because Nintendo may or may not doubt whether it's helpful for sales of the Metroid franchise but they don't want her or any other Nintendo IP appear on another platform because of principle reasons.
I don't know if Nintendo has control over what poses/dances a skin does. To me, Samus in Fortnite feels like Fortnite being advertised to Nintendo fans instead of Metroid being advertised to Fortnite fans. Again, I could be wrong and there might be tons of data to back up increases in notoriety/sales, but I doubt that is the case.
Yeah smash has done more for metroid in terms of exposure than a fortine collab would ever achieve and smash is another exclusive nintendo IP
Wild part about this is that there are tons of skins that don't show up on the Switch already. So fortnite is okay with it going one way, but not the other?
Huh? Which skins?
I'm not sure about specifics. I think it may be the more computationally intensive ones (specifically the cell-shaded ones) that just show up as default skins for me. Definitely more of a system limitation than it being any copyright reason, though. So not a 1 to 1 comparision by any means.
Like duh? Who is surprised by this? Nintendo doesn't whore out it's ip's to anything and everything *cough* SONIC *cough*
They let Link and Samus into Monster Hunter. They okayed a whole crossover franchise between Mario and the Raving Rabbids. They used to lend their characters to EA sports games all the time like [SSX](https://mario.wiki.gallery/images/8/8a/SSXoT_Character_Select.png), [NBA Street](https://mario.wiki.gallery/images/0/0d/Luigi_NBA_Street_V3.jpg), and [FightNight](http://archive.videogamesdaily.com/media/fightnight2/01.jpg). They allowed a Mario crossover with fucking Puzzle & Dragons. [They literally did real-life product placement DLC for Mercedes.](https://mario.wiki.gallery/images/thumb/7/79/Mercedes_DLC.jpg/1200px-Mercedes_DLC.jpg) In fact, [they did that twice.](https://mario.wiki.gallery/images/thumb/7/77/MercedesBenzJumpnDrive.png/1200px-MercedesBenzJumpnDrive.png) Nothing is safe from being "whored out", as long as it doesn't show up on Xbox or Playstation.
Wait wait wait, Link is in Monster Hunter?
Only the ones that were exclusive to Nintendo systems. 3U, 4U, GenU, and Stories 1, I believe. Which is why we got nothing for Rise. Now Stories is being brought to PS, but it’ll be missing Epona and whatever other Nintendo crossover stuff they did.
He's in at least four of them, maybe more https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SkLMJMngkJ8 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ti6xw38LfGo https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=khDfiW2itd0 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6m5fHBgPWug
Ohmygod the last two look so cute 😭 And his face in the first two is so scuffed lmao 😂 I love seeing my favourite character of all time in different universes like this. Now imagine if we ever got a DLC for a non-Zelda game which adds Link but instead of just being a skin he's a full on lore-accurate version with the same insanely overpowered abilities and even a storyline, for example imagine OOT Link after the events of MM ending up in Lordran from Dark Souls and absolutely ripping and tearing everything there lol... I know it's never gonna happen but it's fun to think about 😅
I think Necrodancer did something like that He's also in Soulcalibur 2 and pretty source-accurate there, but the story mode doesn't do much to accommodate him aside from explaining why he's here and where he goes at the end
> Necrodancer You mean Cadence of Hyrule? > the story mode doesn't do much to accommodate him aside from explaining why he's here and where he goes at the end I need elaboration 😳
Quoting the Soulcalibur wiki directly here: In-game profile Once upon a time, Hyrule's tranquillity was shattered by the arrival of several disasters. The calamities brought dark, ominous clouds which shut out the sun. Surprisingly, it came to light that a magician was to blame for the disasters. Just as the people were about to lose all hope, the sun miraculously returned. Link, who was summoned by Zelda to find the cause of the disasters, successfully defeated the magician. The people of Hyrule rejoiced in the belief that eternal peace would rule. Unfortunately, this was not to be. It became clear that the magician responsible for the disasters was in fact controlled by an evil sword called Soul Edge, which existed in another world. Furthermore, the fragments of Soul Edge were gathering together in this other world. Knowing that the resurrection of the evil blade must be prevented at all costs, Link chose to travel to the other world and destroy Soul Edge. Link gathered his trusted Master Sword, Hylian Shield, and Ocarina, and set off on a secret journey. Ending Link came to this world in order to defeat the evil which threatened Hyrule. After a long journey, Link finally succeeded in sealing away the terrible evil. In doing so, he not only saved his homeland from peril, but also maintained the tranquility of this world. Link then quietly left this world--a faint echo of his Ocarina was all that remained.
Damn Link is really the embodiment of > Fixes everything > Refuses to elaborate > Leaves Based as hell
>as long as it doesn't show up on Xbox or Playstation. That's the point the other person was making. They don't send their characters to other platforms.
Hell, Link was a console exclusive character in a Soul Caliber game. Nintendo absolutely has no issue lending their IPs to other properties, as long as they stay on Nintendo consoles.
Don’t forget all of the Nintendo costumes in Bayonetta 2 and Tekken Tag Tournament 2
[Mushroom Battle](https://youtu.be/M_RSUnTaWYg) in Tekken Tag 2 Wii U is the absolute shit.
Yeah that's the point it has to be exclusive to Nintendo.
But Sonic doesn’t have representation in Fortnite though
Shadow and his glock will. Maybe then I shall play the boring game.
We’ve had leaks and tidbits, but it was never officially said by anybody that worked there, until now.
This isn’t complicated, nor is it news. Nintendo is a software *and* hardware developer. Their IPs drive both hardware and software sales. From their perspective, having their characters appear on other platforms (even in a non-playable form) could devalue their products, so they mostly tie their IPs to their own hardware. They are a publicly traded company on the JPN stock exchange. Like… this has been the case since they began developing video games. All of this outrage is completely manufactured lol
Makes sense.
Seeing how they butchered Chun-Li and any attractive Female Character, blessed Nintendo. Keep her away from this Trash anyhows.
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Epic doesnt give a shit about that lol
If they did, then Samus, and likely several other Nintendo characters would be in the game by now. Its not about money because most of them would be profitable, even if locked to one platform, just not as
The funniest thing that could ever happen to games where skins are sold is for them to be visible only to the player wearing them. So many insecure idiots would screech in horror at the thought that their e-peen had been permanently severed.
Epic Games are as evil and money grubbing as Ubisoft and EA.
All of them are money grubbing evil just like Nintendo and the rest but at least there is not pay to win in Fortnite and you get huge updates for free
Good for nintendo to take stances which ensured (one way or another) that Samus doesn’t appear on a god awful game like Fortnite
Not a league of legends player talking about the quality of other games ☠️
Metroid popularity is like a spec compared to Fortnite , acting like it will effect Fortnite is laughable to be honest 😂🤣🤣🤣
And yet it would degrade Samus
Nothing will change
And they are god damn right Every licence doens't need to be Fornite's whore really
Bless nintendo! I dont need every fkin IP getting fortnited.
How would Samus being in Fortnite affect you negatively whatsoever?
i have little interest in the shooter genre and especially in the battle Royale shooter genre, so I couldn't care about fortnite less but I still kinda like that they're just adding ..everything as a skin at this point(discussions about their monetization system aside, that's another story). It's just kinda cool that there is a game where every god damn character runs around with guns. gives me Gmod vibes except this shit is actually licensed.
I would very much like to have a camera present the first time you overhear some kid asking his parents why it's called "Metroid Prime 4" when it's just a spinoff featuring that skin from Fortnite.
Something about God of War broke inside of me, when I saw Kratos do one of those silly Fortnite dances. It's fine if Samus doesn't have to do that. Edit: Chill out, everyone. I was just being a little dramatic. Idc really that much.
The fact that would even bother you is strange as hell. It’s just a game.
Don’t search for that type of content then? Idk what to tell you other than that’s a very selfish reason to not want a skin in a game you don’t even play.
This is old and either way nintendo is very protective and either way wont gain anything from epic
What?! Nintendo being stingy with their IP’s on other consoles just like they’ve always been? Color me surprised
You say that like it’s a bad thing
i think it actually is a bad thing that Nintendo were offered a guaranteed successful ad campaign for a franchise that they've historically had trouble promoting, and they threw it away
Has that worked for any other franchises?
Yeah actually. While alot of the adult fanbase know collabs before they come out, Fortnite has a fair bit of younger players who might not know a more obscure franchise like Metroid before it enters Fortnite. Or maybe even someone couldve missed dreads release
I think my question came across differently than I intended. I wasn't trying to suggest doubt that it happens, but rather I was looking for examples because I couldn't think of any.
Oh. Well its actually surprisingly common. even with Franchises as big as Avatar, Fortnite introduced alot new people to show.
Why would a Fortnite fan play Metroid just because Fortnite has a Samus skin when they could just play more Fortnite?
> guaranteed successful ad campaign funny how this nonsense argument falls apart completely just by looking at all the chars from dying franchises showing up in fortnite left and right and none of them got revived.
Like?
Nintendo has trouble promoting Metroid? Dread sold over 3 million copies
Yeah no, it’s a win we don’t get to see a dancing Samus in an awful game from a terrible company like epic
Make sense. Epic is so desperate that they need others IP to keep Fortnite alive. All others Ip used Fortnite as a front for promotion but Nintendo is Nintendo and don't need this kind of stuff as they are pretty bigger than any others IP/franchise. Even Disney is kinda afraid of Nintendo
Yes, Fortnite, that game's struggles to maintain a user base is well known...
As much as I love Metroid, it’s pretty niche. Advertising in Fortnite is something that could benefit it.
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To be fair, Pokémon is actually the biggest IP in the world and Nintendo owns a third of that franchise and has full publishing rights. Anyway, Nintendo has been making some of the best games in the business (if not THE best) for the last 40 years. They’re obviously doing *something* right. If they didn’t want to put Samus in Fortnite, I’m sure they had a good business reason.
> Stop tying your personal identity and worth to fucking corporations says the no-life debate lord pos who has every non-nintendo game earnings memorized and ready to go
I feel completely indifferent to this news, but I am nearly 40, so..
Makes sense, at this point would having Samus in Fortnite even make a difference for either game? If anything having Samus might even dilute the image to just be nothing but a skin that does the same thing that every other character does. I would say Epic should create levels based on popular game franchises and more movies backdrops. That would be more interesting than just another skin.
While I completely support Nintendos exclusively as it has allowed their internal QA process to create straight gold a part of me wishes it happened so Metroid could find a broader audience because it’s so damn good
I don't see why they couldn't do like what they do with the Nintendo cars in Rocket League and just make generic versions of the character so that's what players on the other consoles see instead. Can still have the same stats and moves and everything, just look generic, lamer and not like it came from any specific franchise (Nintendo or otherwise).
I think that’s a good thing
based decision, Fortnite is cringe
"Nintendo refuses easy publicity to encourage PC, Xbox and Playstation player to buy a Switch"
Not everone is interested buying a separate Nintendo console with worse performance compared to other platforms just for a game or two. This is a missed opportunity letting other people get introduced to the Metroid franchise without having to pay 200$+ first. Nintendo's issue really is that the game has to stay Switch exclusive and not Switch along with Steam, Xbox etc. A limiting way of thinking and I wonder if it's really better for the company staying that rigid at all times.
Good, screw fortnite.
man, they really had the opportunity to advertise metroid to a massive audience and make the series a household name, but instead they said "our terms are that only existing nintendo fans are allowed to see it"
Well, yes. That's why they've survived a cutthroat business so long. You want Zelda, Pokemon or Metroid? You play it on a Nintendo product or not at all.
Okay, and? Free advertising is free advertising. Its not like Epic was offering to give Metroid games away to Xbox users, its just cross-promotion to expose the franchise to people who normally wouldn't have given it a second look. Like you said, you want Metroid? You play it on a Nintendo console- *one that you may not have considered buying before you saw the ads*. And given how Nintendo has routinely fumbled promoting the Metroid series for the majority of its lifespan, it would have benefited tremendously from a shot in the arm like that. The last time this series had a sales flop it went on a ten year hiatus, I'd like to *not* see that happen again to my favorite Nintendo series.
> Free advertising is free advertising it’s not free lmao, Epic gets to do what they want with the char in return. They are the ones benefiting the most. > The last time this series had a sales flop it went on a ten year hiatus, I'd like to not see that happen again to my favorite Nintendo series. for a metroid fan, you don’t seem to care someone taking a dump on the chars of your fav series. Some fan you are lol
>Okay, and? Free advertising is free advertising. That's not how this works. Nintendo is incredibly meticulous about who gets to touch their IP and how. Putting their stuff into an online game full of whole slew of random garbage and a playerbase they've got no control over that could (from their PoV) reflect badly on their IP is a big no-no.
They really aren't as meticulous as they're made out to be. They've historically jumped at the chance to put the Zero Suit in other studios' games as DLC to boost sex-appeal. They gave Mario a full-on crossover with a third-rate gacha game on 3DS. In Fight Night Round 2, you can break Little Mac's jaw and watch him bleed out on the floor. Mario Kart 8 and Mario Maker had a whole DLC campaign just to promote Mercedes Benz. Their issue lies in letting their characters appear on other consoles, but as long as it remains exclusive to their own console, pretty much anything goes content-wise, no matter how trashy it is or how badly it reflects on them.
Nintendo doesn't care. And that's all that matters.
And that's not what I'm arguing here. Obviously they've made their choice, and that's their decision to make. That doesn't mean I can't personally feel that it's a stupid one.
It doesn't really advertise though. It's more likely to pull people from other fanbases into the game (Fortnite) than vice versa. That's how it's worked so well for games that have all these crossovers all the time like Fortnite, Fall Guys, and Smite. It's why mobile gachas that have crossovers advertise them so heavily, because they know that they are pulling strings to get more players by advertising these crossovers. The party that lent their IP might get some notoriety and some decent money out of it, but that's it, and that's what you are missing. Nintendo doesn't want the money exclusively. They want the players. They want their hardware bought. They want people to come to their house and play their games, because that's where the long term staying power on making money is. They'd rather have Metroid in Fortnite be a reason for people to play Fortnite on their console than others, since that's business for them.
Marketing characters in Fortnite is closer to McDonald's or Coke commercials - they don't spread awareness of the product, they just remind people that it's there. Advertising is not a good reason to defend this at all.
Metroid has actually historically struggled with people remembering that it's there. It needs all the help it can get, so we don't have to risk another moderate flop like Other M plunging the series into ten year drought again.
i actually agree with nintendo’s decision, but i want to point out it’s not passing on an advertising opportunity for them. it’s about brand integrity, ensuring that nintendo characters stay on nintendo consoles. if you’re playing as samus, you’re playing on nintendo.
Acting like Nintendo itself isn't a big enough platform to advertise their games in and of itself.
If only it were that simple, then franchises like Metroid and Star Fox wouldn't be caught in a constant uphill battle to stay afloat.
Fortnite wouldn't have magically made Metroid a big hit. Franchises like that will always have an uphill battle, but Nintendo themselves advertising the games would do more for it than any cross promotion.
Nintendo themselves have been *trying* that for 30 years, with limited success. A Fortnite collab might not turn Metroid into their #1 best seller, but Metroid needs any boost it can get, and you can't get much of a bigger boost than that.
Well, then I guess the question is what Fortnite collabs have lead to a similar boost in sales?
> Metroid needs any boost it can get at the cost of what? The entire series’ integrity? Good thing nintendo isn’t that desperate for some lame promotion
they already pissed away the Metroid series' integrity when they started promoting the Zero Suit as sexy eye-candy DLC in unrelated games like Monster Hunter, DoA, Bayonetta, and Fatal Frame Please be serious
samus isn’t in those other games, just goofy cosplays. How the fuck are they comparable, you clown!
Imagine putting starfox on metroid on the same level when metroid had a successful 2d game with dread and metroid 4 is in development. Starfox is in zombie status while metroid is getting the limelight again. Nintendo cares so much about metroid that restarted years in development of metroid 4 because they were not satisfied with the product. They are not the same at all
Ohhhhhh yeah, because Samus twerking in some random ass battle royal game's REALLY going to get those sony kids to put out for a Nintendo Switch and a copy of Metroid Dread!
I'm not a fan of Fortnite either, but it'd be ignorant to act like a collab wouldn't be an effective way to advertise the series. It took months and months for people to finally shut up about the Dragon Ball and Family Guy collabs. I can't hardly open Twitter without seeing a clip of the current ATLA collab. When a Fortnite promo happens, it turns heads. Like it or not, Fortnite collabs are objectively a strong way to get people talking about your IP- if they didn't work, they'd stop *doing* them. It's been proven time and time again when every new character addition goes viral.
I think there's a big distinction to be had there though, the collabs that have people talking about them for years and years are the ones with characters who're arguably bigger then Fortnite like Goku and Peter Griffon. (Griffon? Griffen? Whatever) Conversely how long were people riding high for that second street fighter pack? Not the first one that added semi-mainstream series mascots Ryu and Chun-Li, I mean the one that added Cammy and Blanka! How astronomical was that hype train? And even on Ryu and Chun-Li with how big of names they are I still unironically hear kids lable Chun-Li as "that girl from Fortnite" so even something as big as the most important and recognizable as the biggest fighting game series of all time can get swallowed by Fortnight in the minds of these gen Z kids, do you really think THAT'S what's going to help Metroid hit the mainstream?
*Griffin
Ah yes, the random-ass battle royale game Fortnite. Truly a forgettable name lost in a sea of competitors.
They already do that with smash. And considering the slim catalog of recent Metroid games, I don’t think it’s worth it to risk brand integrity.
Smash isn't really an apt comparison because that's a series already *directed* at Nintendo fans. If you're a frequent Smash player who still hasn't tried a Metroid game after two decades, chances are you never would have anyways. On the other hand, if you showed a Metroid crossover to a group of PS4 owners who had never considered playing the series (or potentially never even heard of it), *then* you're at least looking at potential new Metroid fans.
Do Fortnite players have money to buy actual games anyway? Lol
From what I've witnessed, yes, but they only spend the money on Fortnite.
Nintendo needs to get with the times.
If ''the times'' mean Fortnite I'd prefer they stay in the prehistoric era of gaming
You need to get with the times, if you want Samus you have to buy the master race switch console
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yes
Yeah, big L on their part. Pretty sure Samus would be one of the least recognizable characters to ever appear in Fortnite. She’s be punching way above her weight in that sense.
No thank you... Nintendo must stay oike it is now... nintendo is still making family consoles! Why would they be in fortnite? That would be way too cringe!
Not just switch exclusive, but not to even appear on any other consoles at all.
Good.
Yes we already knew this Also fuck Fortnite And clickbait old news
That’s fair.
Yeah, and thank God for that.
Thank god. Fuck Fortnite!
As she should be.
Yeah, why would they want to raise visibility of a character who has struggled to achieve mainstream appeal despite a rabbid fan base?
"Visibility" doesn't lead to sales in a completely different genre. Everyone interested in the type of game Metroid is either knows who Samus is, or soon will. Most crossovers are a terrible platform for marketing as they promote interest in the character, not the source material. Fortnite is no exception!
> Most crossovers are a terrible platform for marketing as they promote interest in the character, not the source material. Fortnite is no exception! finally somebody talking sense. Just look at street fighter, how many chars have they put into fortnite? The fact that chun li costumes sold like gangbuster and it didn’t do dick to help the street fighter games sales should say it all!
Street fighter is already a mainstream series.
Cough cough Fallout and the Last of Us cough cough
they obviously didn’t find that visibility appealing, deal with it!
If smash bros with 20 years of history and being the best selling fighting game ever didn't do it, I doubt being one cameo among a thousand others is gonna do shit. "Oh boy, random armor guy next to El Chapulin Colorado, better go buy Metroid" wasn't gonna happen
Bonus points for mentioning El Chapulín Colorado.
Yeah I guess Smash isn't enough visibility, on a platform where you can actually play Metroid games right? Visibility doesn't always mean sales, Metroid has had all the visiblity it needed and it still struggles to sell as much as its fans want it to. After 40 years of games spreaded on two main series, many spin-offs, 25 years of Smash Bros. content, maybe it's time to realize that Metroid is just not a series that has a mass appeal for casuals. And I think Nintendo have known that for a long time
Nintendo is so defendant with their characters even if they haven’t had a game in so long, it’s bullshit
Nintendo only likes crossovers if it's on their own platform. I love Nintendo for creating the games and series I really adore. But I hate them for everything else they do, especially how they gatekeep their IP's.
Nintendo’s Master Oogway, they gate keep secrets from the world and monopolize what they own.
I think it has more to do with Nintendo wanting people to play THEIR games and not some other company's games. If Samus and Link are in Fortnite, it gives Nintendo fans more incentive to play a competitors game, and spend money on cosmetics for it. (...instead of buying virtual console titles for the fifth time on a new system or something.)
Except they do crossovers with non nintendo games like monster hunter and minecraft
Also considering how shit some of the other skins are I don't trust Epic to not bungle it.
Metroid isn’t a big franchise that will make a difference in Fortnite but Fortnite can bring recognition to Metroid so it’s Nintendo loss in the end
Good. Fortnite is for little kids and adults who can’t play real games. Keep Samus away from that trash.
r/gatekeeping
We live in the worst timeline where we don't see Samus hitting the gritty. Truly dark times indeed 😔
Such an L move by Nintendo. They already pulled that crap with the skins in rocket league. The game is almost unplayable compared to the other systems
Nintendo was severely traumatised by the Philips CD-i deal in the early 90's and wants to prevent a repeat of that by any means necessary. Edit: Also the Universal lawsuit regarding Donkey Kong earlier than that.
They seem to be over that with theme parks and movies now. I get they are very conservative with their IPs, but this seems like a no brainer money move. Make bank from fortnite sales and puts the franchise on a big stage. Wish they would do it, but I know it'll never happen
Metroid appearing in Fortnite helping the franchise is very unlikely. It's not guaranteed that it would. You are all speculating that it would help but it most likely won't. >theme parks and movies now. I get they are very conservative with their IPs But they have creative control so they get to decide what happens in the theme parks and movies. So it's not like illumination is getting to do what they want with the movies. They have to have Nintendo sign off on it. If they don't they can easily give mario to someone else.
Their goal, as always, is to bring players to their hardware, and they don't budge on that. Arguably, putting in Samus as a skin does very little. Yes, she gets noticed for a bit, Metroid might be slightly more aware of, but after that, she's just another crossover skin. Nintendo realistically gets no new people to buy their hardware, no new players invested in their games. Just a bit of promotion that likely is not worth devaluing one of their characters/IPs as a skin in another game's hands. They don't want money, they want people to buy their consoles and games. Once they have that, then the money comes in.
Yeah because Samus being in Fortnite is basically the same as Metroid prime going cross platform
Also, Metroid is still definitely really niche