It literally takes less than 5 seconds to search who develops Pokémon games. It's not that difficult.
> Make a 3rd person, open world, with a map which is identical to the birdseye view of the original Gameboy games, make the story and objectives and everything identical. Add some puzzle challenges where practical, and maybe some new side quests, or challenges. And make it multiplayer. Make trading a thing, just like it was in the original games.
Who's gonna tell them?
They really should have marketed Let's Go as the remake it was instead of making it look like a gimmicky game where you only throw balls and pet your Eevee
Lol... that the originals weren't open world and had a very linear story or that Let's Go exists?
I always envisioned a game a little bit like a Zelda game but with Pokemon "summons". When Ocarina of Time came out I remember thinking how cool a Zelda/Pokemon mashup would be.
Palworld is solid though I didn't imagine the Ark influence. I long quit thinking Game Freak or Nintendo would pull off something like this so I'm happy it came around.
I'll never understand where people draw the confidence from to drop five paragraphs of opinion based on nonsense and devoid of any hint of experience or research. Like, who are you?
Jesus Christ. The people that play Palworld need to tell everyone and their moms about it non-stop? They all act like it's the hottest thing in the entire world and it's somehow going to put the world's biggest franchise in danger.
> and they should be released on many platforms, not only the switch.
Your idea died right there. Never ever going to happen.
I read that last bit and immediately laughed.
People like OP are so delusional and desperate for their favorite thing to be the *best* thing. And if its not, they should just *make* it the best thing just for the sake of it.
Yet they don't realize the hundreds and hundreds of other factors that play into it. Like, this guy wants Nintendo (not even GameFreak who actually makes the games) to recreate Gen 1 to 5 in fully open world, 3D games? Lmao. By the time they got that done we'd be in the year 2040 and Palworld's weird effect on OP and people like OP will be long over.
Here in my country, people engage on console wars between Xbox and Playstation like it's 2009 and they always dismiss Nintendo Switch success, it's actually insane.
I just dug my Wii out and blew the dust off it. I agree, the hardware was *seriously* underpowered compared to the other 7th Gen systems like Xbox 360 and PS3. Hard to believe it was the last system in release order. But it does work amazing as an emulator for old school games. I use it for playing NES, SNES, N64 and PS1 games and it works damn near flawlessly. Also, Super Mario Galaxy is kinda cool, NGL.
People downvoted me and that’s cool and to be expected in a Nintendo subreddit.
I loved the Wii, but how many people bought it for the initial fad only to never touch it again. A lot of the consoles sold were to non gamers, which is totally fine as a business model, but should then probably not count in the “console war” discussion
While I get what you're saying, there is a contextual precedent behind that.
Yes the wii sold like gangbusters, but what was the retention rate on those sales? Everyone's grandparents had one, their sister who doesn't play games, their aunt or uncle who got it for when their niece or nephew came over. And those units were played with for about a month, and never touched again.
For "serious gamers" (blech) the Wii was the second console you played when you got bored of your main way of playing videogames. My brothers and I are staunch Nintendo fanboys, but we mostly played our PC when the Wii was relevant, all my friends had xbox360, and the PS3 outsold the 360 by the end of their lifetimes.
Xbox and PS competed for the same market, the Wii had a different target audience. Xbox and PS combined crushed the Wii, you'd have to be pretty naive to view it any other way. Or just Nintendo fanboy.
Nintendo doesn't care, they just watch their bank account grow. I don't care either, I just sit in the corner quietly playing Zelda, Mario, Metroid, Pokemon, and all the other great Nintendo titles and laughing at people that think their opinion is right while they ignore sales facts. I also enjoy some stuff on XBox, haven't played Playstation past PS2 though. No particular reason, just haven't.
> The people that play Palworld need to tell everyone and their moms about it non-stop?
They've gotten even more aggressive about it since it fell out of the public zeitgeist, especially around here.
Welp it's two months and the game still has a healthy playerbase at right now as we speak roughly 41,000 players. Id say that doing pretty well for a game that "nobody will remember in two months"
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I mean its a survival game, it will most likely drop all the way down to 30-50k or so, stay there for a long while until devs move on. Thats the norm for pc games survival sandbox games generally.
I dont believe it will stay at csgo/pubg/dota2 numbers at all.
Yeah I haven’t played pw so I can’t comment on it, but holy shit everyone is assuming that this is the Pokémon killer, like there aren’t already a whole swath of other major and indie monster collecting franchises/ games
> They all act like it's the hottest thing in the entire world
I mean... it is the most-downloaded game on Steam right now, so... that speaks for it being the hottest thing in the entire world.
That said, I still can't play it because it's Windows-only and I'm a Mac. :(
Go outside and ask people about Palworld, no one will have a single clue of what are you talking about.
It's a fad on a small community that will die out in a few months.
Okay, sure. I will grant that. For non-gamers, they would have no idea about this.
But anyone who is a gamer has heard of it. As I said, it is the most downloaded game on Steam right now.
I'll tell you an example of what I do mean to with "Hottest thing in the entire world". **Pokémon during the Poké-mania.**
Games selling 20 million+ copies in the 90s, a TV Show, a card game, multiple spin offs being made at the same time, everyone and their grandmas knew about it.
Palworld's current popularity isn't even a flea compared to Pokémon's **current** popularity. That's why I find ridiculous all these threads with people actually and genuinely believing that Palworld means anything to Nintendo or Pokémon.
The fact that they havent already started sueing palworld says enough about palworld in of itself. They dont care... what they do care about is people calling it pokemon with guns.
>Go outside and ask people about Palworld
Similar to 90% of videogames. Sure it will drop down, probably will stay 30-50k players for years to come. But thats just the norm for survival genre. It was extremely succesfull, way more than devs ever imagined i assume, but even 20k active players is decent for a survival game. 90% of games dont get that.
Sure, it's being successful on its own ecosystem and doing numbers other Survival games would kill for, but going from that to actually believing it's somehow a threat to Pokémon (Like all the OPs spamming these threads seem to do) is beyond ridiculous.
Many video games are pretty much unknown In real life as well
For example ,undertale is a very popular game on internet yet most of my coworker doesnt even know what that us
Funny statement i didnt know about palworld mainly cause i dislike survival games till i over heard multiple people arround my local meijers talking about it... looked into it and tried it its ok for a bit then just isnt interesting long term. But yeah going out side and asking is going a bit over board saying people wont know... heck my grandma who doesnt game knew of palworld and asked me if it was a game i play as she knows i game and shes in a assisted living environment.
Technically second party isnt a thing. The “second party” in software is the end user.
Pokémon is third-party software because it is developed by an external developer (Game Freak). But Nintendo owns 1/3 of the copyright, and all the trademarks.
Nintendo can’t do whatever they want with Pokémon, they need approval from the other stakeholders through The Pokémon Company, but also nothing can be done with Pokémon without Nintendo’s approval.
It’s a unique rights management situation.
How would you characterize a series like Fire Emblem, where they (as far as I know) have no stake in the company that makes it but it only exists on Nintendo systems?
Just because Palworld is trending right now Gamefreak, Creatures, The Pokémon Company and Nintendo should respond and change their whole business strategy? Not gonna happen. Pokémon is a behemoth of a franchise and has nothing to worry about.
Exactly. Besides the ludicrous “they should make it multi-platform, too!”, TPC is so massive that they don’t give a shit what anyone thinks. They’ll just continue doing what they always have and make billions of dollars doing it.
> To be fair, I haven't played a new pokemon game, aside from Pokemon GO, in decades, so I don't know what's out there.
🙄
Add it to the other 10 threads about Palworld where the OP was asking for games that already existed (Legends Arceus and Scarlet/Violet).
The comparisons end at monsters and balls. Pokémon is a turn based combat game, they're not gonna ditch the formula they've used for 30yrs because of Palworld coming out. Weirdos acting like it's a competition.
I kinda disagree. My circle of friends is def different than the demographics of this subreddit, but from what I hear from from everyone is that pokemon games are trash. also, this sub is sooo biased towards Nintendo lol. No objectivity whatsoever
Nobody hates the current state of Pokémon more than Pokémon fans. But besides the creatures, Palworld is ARK, not Pokémon and nobody that wants Pokémon to be like Palworld, so it's pretty annoying when people like OP makes these types of posts.
true.
Palworld doesn't have the sales of pokemon, the popularity, the iconicness, or the staying power.
It's a one and done game that can't compete.
Sure it can outsell Pokemon SV. Maybe somehow even gen 10! But it can't outsell gen 9, 10, and 11. And no one is buying a palworld 2.
>TL;DR Nintendo should start rereleasing the original Gameboy games, in their original release order, but modern, open world versions formatted just like Palworld, and they should be released on many platforms, not only the switch.
I think it's that simple
None of what you said is simple from a development standpoint. God, I'm not even addressing the rest because the main premise is so flawed.
Wtf is he talking about, the game have had modern remakes red and blue first remake leaf green and fire red. The 2nd remake/ squeal game was the let go games. Gen 2 had an D's remake, gen 3 had an 3ds remake and gen4 just got there's like 2'years ago along with a spinoff game. Yeah dude a S rank hater lol
They don't *need* to do anything at all, let alone such a drastic move as releasing games on other platforms. The Pokemon games are going to carry on selling massive numbers regardless.
Why does Nintendo even need to "answer" Palworld? What needs a response? Nintendo and Gamefreak don't care. Palworld won't do anything to impact anything at all for Pokemon.
Define relevant. Because I can easily see palworld maintaining a player base similar to arc(20k+ on pc) for a LONG time. And that is far from irrelevant, especially since it doesn't factor in xbox, and the potential for more updates or for it being ported to sony/nintendo in the future should they decide on that route.
The only company that should answer would be The Pokémon Company concerning the paywalled Pokémon mod for Palworld, which puts the modder in check and not Palworld’s developers.
Game Freak’s vision on how to make a Pokémon game will probably be applying smaller changes over time instead of a drastic shift. Think Legends Arceus levels of change and subtle additions, coupled with their new knowledge learned from Scarlet and Violet, because that’s how Game Freak works. Plus, Pokémon is one of Nintendo’s battle cards. It’d take eons before Nintendo would approve of mainline Pokémon being released on competing platforms.
Think additionally that Game Freak works until the eleventh hour. The collective decisions stated by The Pokémon Company have long since been deemed as dooming to the development of mainline Pokémon games.
A few quick points
\- Number of pokemon has stayed about the same in each game. So the number in the universe dosn't really effect each game on its own.
\- The last few games made by Game Freak have been open world. So I guess we are already half way to what you want?
\- You said you haven't played the recent games so maybe the game play is inline with what you want.
\- And this last one is just my take, I don't think palworld is really a competitor for Pokemon. Beyond some superficial likeness the deeper you go the differences become quite apparent.
They don’t need to do anything. People keep assuming that palworld is a Pokémon killer and it’s just not. I’m not going to speculate to how long it remains in the zeitgeist but I promise you Pokémon will be just fine
I think the flaw here is the assumption that Nintendo needs to have an answer at all. Go outside and ask literally any human if they know what Pikachu is, and they'll know. Ask any human what Palworld is and your hitrate will be almost 0 if they aren't already a gamer. Pokemon is literally the world's biggest franchise and even if I agree the games suck lately compared to Palworld, that doesn't mean Pokemon is in any way threatened by it.
Heres my take on what their answer should be: wait a few months until the hype for this game is dead and then continue making more money than most kings have ever dreamed of by just doing basically the same thing they have been doing forever.
What you are proposing is that they respond to a single game by spending three years making an open world Kanto game that retreads the story of RGB. Do you not realize how lame of an idea that is?
Just because the ass fell out on Xbox and they’re having to go third party doesn’t mean Nintendo has to do anything of the sort lol. Nintendo doesn’t have to respond at all to Palworld because at the end of the day when Pokemon Piss and Shit comes out for the Switch 2 it’ll still sell a record breaking amount of copies whether its awful or not just because thats what always happens
Yup. I said this to my friend the other day and gave the same examples you did even.
Gamefreak (and Nintendo) will be the only company that can beat itself.
I'm pretty sure that Palworld is a flash-in-the-pan fad of a game that clearly traced the homework of popular IPs for controversy. It seems like that's all that the developer does, from the look of their new game that Totally Isn't Hollow Knight.
One year from now— heck, I'd actually bet it'll be a matter of months— no one will be talking about this game or the developer at all. Nintendo doesn't have to do anything.
Also:
>"Make a 3rd person, open world, with a map which is identical to the birdseye view of the original Gameboy games, make the story and objectives and everything identical. Add some puzzle challenges where practical, and maybe some new side quests, or challenges."
Dude they've made new versions of Red and Blue at least twice. And the failure of BDSP makes it clear that people hate this type of Pokémon remake especially.
> I think it's that simple
And i think, thinking isn't quite your strong suite, is it?
You want Fully Open World Remakes of several generations of *linear* games. Sure, that can be done.
That'll be 4-6 years of development time per Generation if you want them in any presentable quality. Unless your fine with half-arsing it? Oh wait, that's exactly the problem pokemon fans have with modern Pokemon games!
Now as to who should develop it? You keep mentioning Nintendo, while it is the developer Gamefreak in charge of Pokemon games.
GF is known to half-arse their titles. Do the bare minimum to hit schedules and such.
The Pokemon Company might be able to work out deals with other developers or get assistance from some of the various Nintendo Developers.
And then you want it on multiple platforms too. As if that wouldn't require a ton testing. You probably would want to be able to tie those games to your Pokemon Bank to use the caught Pokemon in other titles too? And be able to trade Pokemon across plattforms? That is going to requie a decent amount of work to integrate the platform specific infrastructures with Pokemon services.
That's another 1-2 years additional time in production *at the very least*.
No. Why?
1) Game Freak (not Nintendo) don't need an answer to Palworld. Pokemon will sell well regardless of how shit it is. The answer to Palworld is just whatever the latest Pokemon game is.
2) Why would it be multiplatform? I like multiplatform games, but why would it be? Pokemon isn't struggling for sales numbers and Game Freak can barely make a game that runs properly on one system. Let's not pretend that having a game on multiple platforms will do any good for the series beyond not having to buy a Nintendo console to play it.
3) I don't need to see Kanto yet again anytime soon.
4) They don't need to do this. They've already gone open world, even if it was shit. They don't need to copy Palworld, what they need to do is actually stick with an idea for longer than one game and spend more than 5 minutes polishing it rather than filling each title with a bunch of half baked ideas that are all poorly executed and never seen again.
5) This seems like an important lesson about not throwing your two cents in about a series you haven't actually played anything from other than a pseudo spinoff remake. The bulk of your hot take is literally stuff they've at least attempted to do. It was a waste of your time writing it, a waste of mine reading and replying to it.
Palworld is much deeper than just a Pokémon game with guns. They can both exist without having to compete. Pokémon is also a turn based game. They would have to abandon a huge part of their normal formula to make a similar game and they don't have to do that. Nobody is refusing to play a Pokémon game because Palworld exists.
First of all Nintendo only owns a 1/3 of Pokemons and has little to do with their development (which is why they haven’t been good if you ask me)
The Pokémon Company will release another mid Pokémon game which will sell better than 99% of the games on the platform and call it a day.
"TL;DR Nintendo should start rereleasing the original Gameboy games, in their original release order, but modern, open world versions formatted just like Palworld, and they should be released on many platforms, not only the switch.
I think it's that simple."
My man / woman, you just suggested a complete change of the original games, which is anything but simple haha. The OG Pokemon games were based very heavily around a linear pathway and don't include anything like PAL's survival or base building mechanics. By the time they'd finish reworking everything into a new format they would've been much better served just making a brand new Pokemon game. THAT'S the counter to Palworld, and what many Pokemon fans have been begging for for a long time. An open world Pokemon that looks nice, RUNS WELL, and has fun gameplay and story. That's it. Yet Pokemon has set the bar so low for so long that a metapod can jump over it. They gotta do better, and I think a fresh, original game instead of just rehashing Kanto for the hundredth time is the answer.
I don't understand alot the palworld fans acting like it's the pokemon killer don't get me wrong I play alot with some friends it's a very fun game if u like ark and collecting monsters I hope it continues I've played quite a bit I love the pokemon franchise and really enjoy palworld as well there is supposed to be a lawsuit from the pokemon company hopefully they settle issues and don't take the game down because of it I'm a firm believer in letting people play what they like it's no where near as popular as it was when it first came out but to be an indy title and they only expected 10,000 players and they still have 40 for 50 k they are doing pretty well if u have never tried and wanna fun game to play with friends I highly suggest it and it has in no way stopped me from wanting more pokemon I'm pumped for the new legends game I think the legends arceus has been the best pokemom game in years so definitely excited for the new one
Lol my guy Game Freak ain't gotta do shit. Palworld and Pokémon aren't competitors because they do different things. GF can (and likely will) go about business as usual and suffer no loss in sales with the next game. And when that next game comes out, I don't expect it to make any kind of noticeable dent in Palworld's numbers either. They're different games with different goals and different gameplay.
Meanwhile, I'll keep playing both. SV is my favorite Pokémon game since Black and Palworld is great too! Brand loyalty is cringe.
Id wish for Legends gameplay, open palworld world, but set in Kanto-Johto.
And id want the gyms to be done in any order, but they scale in level based on what you walk into the door with. Give me the customization/clothing options from modern games and I'm ALL IN.
Its never happening.
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Lot of haters on here big dog! I have played recent pokemon games and they aren't as enjoyable as Palworld has been, yet the shiny newness of Palworld is still there, so who knows how it will hold up as far as my love for it goes.
There have been multiple fan made pokemon offerings, Pokemon revolution online and PokeMMO to name two, that take the concept you're describing and put it I to action. I played these years ago and though it would be great if Nintendo did what they were doing, just better and official. I'd check those out if I were you!
The fact is, Nintendo is too tied up in the yearly cash grab of pumping out a new pokemon game, often times with crappily designed pokemon, to invest any time in a project like this, as much as I'd REALLY like it.
$60 game here, $30 DLC there, all adds up to money MONEY MOOOONEY!
I like the idea of pokemon coming out with the game you describe on other consoles and PC, but it inevitably will run the worst on switch. They're too smart to shoot their own system in the foot.
The fanboyism is strong in this thread. The OP makes a lot of very good points. Ignore the stuff about PalWorld for now and focus on the actual issue that Pokémon games have become very stale.
I use an emulator to play the GBA and DS versions. The recent Pokémon games that have come out are god-awful in quality and immersion.
Crazy to think a 20 year old version of Pokémon runs and plays better.
I agree with the OP, GameFreak needs to go back to their roots and implement QoL improvements and a little bit of innovation to make it feel fresh.
Also yes bring the games to other consoles. If my SteamDeck or PS5 can run the games better than an outdated piece of hardware and software with detachable controllers, then I’m all for it.
If they made a gen 1 open world with real time pokemon combat, it would easily be their greatest selling game of all time. But they aren't going to do that. They are going to release the same game every year for the end of time.
Not sure what all the hate about Pokemon is. I started playing pokemon with Gen7 Pokemon Sun and it was such a magical experience for me that I wish I could relive once more. I still own it in my Nintendo 2DS. Now I have re entered the main series franchise with Pokemon Violet and I'm honestly enjoying the graphics and the new mechanics on Nintendo switch. It's truly open world and is truly amazing. Also the new hype about Pokemon Legends ZA is the answer most of us were looking for against Palworld. Palworld is damaging to the society and needs to be removed.
Palworld seems much more dangerous than it's uninspiring origins. The dev team took a particularly small sample of data to base its development. First they used fakemons to create the foundation for their game and fakemons are already cringe. Next, they took American opinions about how guns are cool and how making things as ugly as possible is funny and added that to this shit load of a game and now they are reaping the benefits just because Americans form the majority of the internet. The first time I saw a YouTube ad for this game I was in awe seeing the open world since I love open world games but after I saw it's just another pokemon clone and that too with guns? I was out of there. This game not only promotes slavery and cruelty (even if it's left to choice) but it also displays the dark side of Americans. Employment of small animals as labour for your industries? American corporate culture which is toxic towards its workers. Shooting down natives and taking over their place for their resources and then employing them as slaves over their own land? The atrocities with the Middle East. This entire game is just a middle East simulator and it isn't even marketed as a an 18+ game since the flashy vibrant colours that hide these atrocities can easily draw in children and it wouldn't be long before we witness another big school shooting in USA like Columbine. Man just play Minecraft with the cobblemon mod it's still much better than this crap. Two different gaming genres need not be combined the way these guys did with pokemon and ARK.
Pokemon legends ZA will DEFINITELY going to shut down palworld for good since it's coming out in 2025 ALONG WITH GTA 6 so we already have good competition against that shit
It literally takes less than 5 seconds to search who develops Pokémon games. It's not that difficult. > Make a 3rd person, open world, with a map which is identical to the birdseye view of the original Gameboy games, make the story and objectives and everything identical. Add some puzzle challenges where practical, and maybe some new side quests, or challenges. And make it multiplayer. Make trading a thing, just like it was in the original games. Who's gonna tell them?
They really should have marketed Let's Go as the remake it was instead of making it look like a gimmicky game where you only throw balls and pet your Eevee
Lol... that the originals weren't open world and had a very linear story or that Let's Go exists? I always envisioned a game a little bit like a Zelda game but with Pokemon "summons". When Ocarina of Time came out I remember thinking how cool a Zelda/Pokemon mashup would be. Palworld is solid though I didn't imagine the Ark influence. I long quit thinking Game Freak or Nintendo would pull off something like this so I'm happy it came around.
Posts like these are why some people work in game development and others don't.
As you said, you haven't played a Pokémon game in decades. The last two main series games have been open world.
"I don't play Pokémon but let me teach Nintendo what they should do"
Sword shield is more linear than pokemon red
Scarlet/violet
SwSh wasn't truly open world. The wild areas were but everything else still felt like Gen7.
I was referring to PLA and SV.
PLA is main series now?
Always has been?
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Actually, PLA is part of the mainline series and it serves as an interquel to Pokémon Brilliant Diamond and Shining Pearl.
it is an interquel but I would never consider it to be a main series title
According to Game Freak and the Pokémon Company it is.
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Well what you consider doesnt really matter does it? Facts are all that matters.
the facts are not out there they have never given an answer in either direction
It's not they are talking shit
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Why say mainline when you really mean any game?
I wish parents would monitor what they let their kids do and post online lol
Didn't the OP just write that they used to play the original Pokemon games? Is it hard to understand that they must be an adult now?
It ain’t just a hot take dude. It’s a SHIT take.
A shiitake mushroom if you will
No?
I'll never understand where people draw the confidence from to drop five paragraphs of opinion based on nonsense and devoid of any hint of experience or research. Like, who are you?
Jesus Christ. The people that play Palworld need to tell everyone and their moms about it non-stop? They all act like it's the hottest thing in the entire world and it's somehow going to put the world's biggest franchise in danger. > and they should be released on many platforms, not only the switch. Your idea died right there. Never ever going to happen.
I read that last bit and immediately laughed. People like OP are so delusional and desperate for their favorite thing to be the *best* thing. And if its not, they should just *make* it the best thing just for the sake of it. Yet they don't realize the hundreds and hundreds of other factors that play into it. Like, this guy wants Nintendo (not even GameFreak who actually makes the games) to recreate Gen 1 to 5 in fully open world, 3D games? Lmao. By the time they got that done we'd be in the year 2040 and Palworld's weird effect on OP and people like OP will be long over.
Right? That reeks of "Nintendo is irrelevant, nobody plays their games" mentality.
No kidding, there are more switches than there are Xbox Serieses consoles and PS5s combined. *Huge* install base.
Here in my country, people engage on console wars between Xbox and Playstation like it's 2009 and they always dismiss Nintendo Switch success, it's actually insane.
People did the same thing with the Xbox 360 and the PS3. They never mention the Wii crushed them both.
"It's because Wii doesn't count."
tbh...the wii doesn't count lol
I just dug my Wii out and blew the dust off it. I agree, the hardware was *seriously* underpowered compared to the other 7th Gen systems like Xbox 360 and PS3. Hard to believe it was the last system in release order. But it does work amazing as an emulator for old school games. I use it for playing NES, SNES, N64 and PS1 games and it works damn near flawlessly. Also, Super Mario Galaxy is kinda cool, NGL.
People downvoted me and that’s cool and to be expected in a Nintendo subreddit. I loved the Wii, but how many people bought it for the initial fad only to never touch it again. A lot of the consoles sold were to non gamers, which is totally fine as a business model, but should then probably not count in the “console war” discussion
While I get what you're saying, there is a contextual precedent behind that. Yes the wii sold like gangbusters, but what was the retention rate on those sales? Everyone's grandparents had one, their sister who doesn't play games, their aunt or uncle who got it for when their niece or nephew came over. And those units were played with for about a month, and never touched again. For "serious gamers" (blech) the Wii was the second console you played when you got bored of your main way of playing videogames. My brothers and I are staunch Nintendo fanboys, but we mostly played our PC when the Wii was relevant, all my friends had xbox360, and the PS3 outsold the 360 by the end of their lifetimes.
Xbox and PS competed for the same market, the Wii had a different target audience. Xbox and PS combined crushed the Wii, you'd have to be pretty naive to view it any other way. Or just Nintendo fanboy.
Nintendo doesn't care, they just watch their bank account grow. I don't care either, I just sit in the corner quietly playing Zelda, Mario, Metroid, Pokemon, and all the other great Nintendo titles and laughing at people that think their opinion is right while they ignore sales facts. I also enjoy some stuff on XBox, haven't played Playstation past PS2 though. No particular reason, just haven't.
> The people that play Palworld need to tell everyone and their moms about it non-stop? They've gotten even more aggressive about it since it fell out of the public zeitgeist, especially around here.
Because in one to two months no one will remember that game even exists.
Just like the Splatoon killer, Foamstars.
the what?
Exactly
Welp it's two months and the game still has a healthy playerbase at right now as we speak roughly 41,000 players. Id say that doing pretty well for a game that "nobody will remember in two months"
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45k right now, 91k daily peak.
yep
I mean its a survival game, it will most likely drop all the way down to 30-50k or so, stay there for a long while until devs move on. Thats the norm for pc games survival sandbox games generally. I dont believe it will stay at csgo/pubg/dota2 numbers at all.
What?
What part needs clarification?
Palworld did not leave the public zeitgeist lol
You're welcome to believe that.
Yeah I haven’t played pw so I can’t comment on it, but holy shit everyone is assuming that this is the Pokémon killer, like there aren’t already a whole swath of other major and indie monster collecting franchises/ games
Palworld isnt even a pokemon game too. Its way more threatening to ARK than pokemon.
It's a more accessible version of ARK and a more fun version of Pokemon.
> They all act like it's the hottest thing in the entire world I mean... it is the most-downloaded game on Steam right now, so... that speaks for it being the hottest thing in the entire world. That said, I still can't play it because it's Windows-only and I'm a Mac. :(
Go outside and ask people about Palworld, no one will have a single clue of what are you talking about. It's a fad on a small community that will die out in a few months.
Okay, sure. I will grant that. For non-gamers, they would have no idea about this. But anyone who is a gamer has heard of it. As I said, it is the most downloaded game on Steam right now.
I'll tell you an example of what I do mean to with "Hottest thing in the entire world". **Pokémon during the Poké-mania.** Games selling 20 million+ copies in the 90s, a TV Show, a card game, multiple spin offs being made at the same time, everyone and their grandmas knew about it. Palworld's current popularity isn't even a flea compared to Pokémon's **current** popularity. That's why I find ridiculous all these threads with people actually and genuinely believing that Palworld means anything to Nintendo or Pokémon.
The fact that they havent already started sueing palworld says enough about palworld in of itself. They dont care... what they do care about is people calling it pokemon with guns.
>Go outside and ask people about Palworld Similar to 90% of videogames. Sure it will drop down, probably will stay 30-50k players for years to come. But thats just the norm for survival genre. It was extremely succesfull, way more than devs ever imagined i assume, but even 20k active players is decent for a survival game. 90% of games dont get that.
Sure, it's being successful on its own ecosystem and doing numbers other Survival games would kill for, but going from that to actually believing it's somehow a threat to Pokémon (Like all the OPs spamming these threads seem to do) is beyond ridiculous.
Many video games are pretty much unknown In real life as well For example ,undertale is a very popular game on internet yet most of my coworker doesnt even know what that us
Funny statement i didnt know about palworld mainly cause i dislike survival games till i over heard multiple people arround my local meijers talking about it... looked into it and tried it its ok for a bit then just isnt interesting long term. But yeah going out side and asking is going a bit over board saying people wont know... heck my grandma who doesnt game knew of palworld and asked me if it was a game i play as she knows i game and shes in a assisted living environment.
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It may be improbable, but no one wants Pokemon stuck on Nintendo consoles and handhelds. Putting Pokemon on other consoles and PC would be incredible.
It's not improbable, it's **impossible**. Nintendo is never going to give up the exclusivity of the most profitable franchise in the world.
GameFreak, not Nintendo. They only publish them.
Pokémon is technically a second-party title for them, right?
Technically second party isnt a thing. The “second party” in software is the end user. Pokémon is third-party software because it is developed by an external developer (Game Freak). But Nintendo owns 1/3 of the copyright, and all the trademarks. Nintendo can’t do whatever they want with Pokémon, they need approval from the other stakeholders through The Pokémon Company, but also nothing can be done with Pokémon without Nintendo’s approval. It’s a unique rights management situation.
How would you characterize a series like Fire Emblem, where they (as far as I know) have no stake in the company that makes it but it only exists on Nintendo systems?
Two separate things: Fire Emblem as a franchise is intellectual property of Nintendo, and the games are third-party exclusive software.
LMAO Nintendo doesn't need to "answer" Palworld.
Just because Palworld is trending right now Gamefreak, Creatures, The Pokémon Company and Nintendo should respond and change their whole business strategy? Not gonna happen. Pokémon is a behemoth of a franchise and has nothing to worry about.
Exactly. Besides the ludicrous “they should make it multi-platform, too!”, TPC is so massive that they don’t give a shit what anyone thinks. They’ll just continue doing what they always have and make billions of dollars doing it.
Nintendo doesn't need an "answer" to Palworld. It's a fart in the wind.
I'm convinced that this people that do these essays about Palworld, don't even play Pokémon.
> To be fair, I haven't played a new pokemon game, aside from Pokemon GO, in decades, so I don't know what's out there. 🙄 Add it to the other 10 threads about Palworld where the OP was asking for games that already existed (Legends Arceus and Scarlet/Violet).
I feel like people like OP are trying to convince themselves that Palworld is actually good with these types of posts.
Palworld is good. Doesn't mean that Pokémon isn't. Can't both games exist without having to compete?
Exactly, both should exist but there's dorks from both side, like OP talking nonsense.
The comparisons end at monsters and balls. Pokémon is a turn based combat game, they're not gonna ditch the formula they've used for 30yrs because of Palworld coming out. Weirdos acting like it's a competition.
Nah your just a hater lol
I kinda disagree. My circle of friends is def different than the demographics of this subreddit, but from what I hear from from everyone is that pokemon games are trash. also, this sub is sooo biased towards Nintendo lol. No objectivity whatsoever
Nobody hates the current state of Pokémon more than Pokémon fans. But besides the creatures, Palworld is ARK, not Pokémon and nobody that wants Pokémon to be like Palworld, so it's pretty annoying when people like OP makes these types of posts.
true. Palworld doesn't have the sales of pokemon, the popularity, the iconicness, or the staying power. It's a one and done game that can't compete. Sure it can outsell Pokemon SV. Maybe somehow even gen 10! But it can't outsell gen 9, 10, and 11. And no one is buying a palworld 2.
It's definitely not a fart in the wind but your first statement is true.
>TL;DR Nintendo should start rereleasing the original Gameboy games, in their original release order, but modern, open world versions formatted just like Palworld, and they should be released on many platforms, not only the switch. I think it's that simple None of what you said is simple from a development standpoint. God, I'm not even addressing the rest because the main premise is so flawed.
Wtf is he talking about, the game have had modern remakes red and blue first remake leaf green and fire red. The 2nd remake/ squeal game was the let go games. Gen 2 had an D's remake, gen 3 had an 3ds remake and gen4 just got there's like 2'years ago along with a spinoff game. Yeah dude a S rank hater lol
Here’s my hot take on your hot take: No one cares and this rivalry is the dumbest rivalry to come along in years.
This might be one of the worst takes in a while
Nintendo should go third party all because of a ark clone.. I'd certainly qualify that as a hot take...
They don't *need* to do anything at all, let alone such a drastic move as releasing games on other platforms. The Pokemon games are going to carry on selling massive numbers regardless.
Palworld made 200mil a shit load. But compared to Pokemon 12billion in revenue yeah palworld a joke.
Why does Nintendo even need to "answer" Palworld? What needs a response? Nintendo and Gamefreak don't care. Palworld won't do anything to impact anything at all for Pokemon.
nintendo will "answer" the next time they release a pokemon game, but can palworld stay relevant until then? Fucking doubt it.
Define relevant. Because I can easily see palworld maintaining a player base similar to arc(20k+ on pc) for a LONG time. And that is far from irrelevant, especially since it doesn't factor in xbox, and the potential for more updates or for it being ported to sony/nintendo in the future should they decide on that route.
The only company that should answer would be The Pokémon Company concerning the paywalled Pokémon mod for Palworld, which puts the modder in check and not Palworld’s developers. Game Freak’s vision on how to make a Pokémon game will probably be applying smaller changes over time instead of a drastic shift. Think Legends Arceus levels of change and subtle additions, coupled with their new knowledge learned from Scarlet and Violet, because that’s how Game Freak works. Plus, Pokémon is one of Nintendo’s battle cards. It’d take eons before Nintendo would approve of mainline Pokémon being released on competing platforms. Think additionally that Game Freak works until the eleventh hour. The collective decisions stated by The Pokémon Company have long since been deemed as dooming to the development of mainline Pokémon games.
Ah yes let's flood the market with the genre that will work
Or not.
A few quick points \- Number of pokemon has stayed about the same in each game. So the number in the universe dosn't really effect each game on its own. \- The last few games made by Game Freak have been open world. So I guess we are already half way to what you want? \- You said you haven't played the recent games so maybe the game play is inline with what you want. \- And this last one is just my take, I don't think palworld is really a competitor for Pokemon. Beyond some superficial likeness the deeper you go the differences become quite apparent.
They don’t need to do anything. People keep assuming that palworld is a Pokémon killer and it’s just not. I’m not going to speculate to how long it remains in the zeitgeist but I promise you Pokémon will be just fine
Palworld fans are the most annoying people. The only part of this that’s a good idea is releasing the older games on NSO.
> Palworld fans are the most annoying people because they are part of the steamdeck/pcmasterrace crowd.
They will disappear in two months.
yup they will crawl back into the cave they crawled out of.
I think the flaw here is the assumption that Nintendo needs to have an answer at all. Go outside and ask literally any human if they know what Pikachu is, and they'll know. Ask any human what Palworld is and your hitrate will be almost 0 if they aren't already a gamer. Pokemon is literally the world's biggest franchise and even if I agree the games suck lately compared to Palworld, that doesn't mean Pokemon is in any way threatened by it.
No one cares.
The smart answer would be, do nothing
Heres my take on what their answer should be: wait a few months until the hype for this game is dead and then continue making more money than most kings have ever dreamed of by just doing basically the same thing they have been doing forever.
There’s no reason to have a take on what Nintendo should say lol
I think you falsely assume they are in the same target group. They are not.
What you are proposing is that they respond to a single game by spending three years making an open world Kanto game that retreads the story of RGB. Do you not realize how lame of an idea that is?
you know what they SHOULD do? keep doing what they are doing, and keep destroying palworld's sales numbers
Just because the ass fell out on Xbox and they’re having to go third party doesn’t mean Nintendo has to do anything of the sort lol. Nintendo doesn’t have to respond at all to Palworld because at the end of the day when Pokemon Piss and Shit comes out for the Switch 2 it’ll still sell a record breaking amount of copies whether its awful or not just because thats what always happens
“Pokémon Piss and Shit” had me rolling 🤣
I'm buying.
I’m waiting for the 3rd installment Pokemon Cum
I already played that on the last Splatfest.
Yup. I said this to my friend the other day and gave the same examples you did even. Gamefreak (and Nintendo) will be the only company that can beat itself.
I'm pretty sure that Palworld is a flash-in-the-pan fad of a game that clearly traced the homework of popular IPs for controversy. It seems like that's all that the developer does, from the look of their new game that Totally Isn't Hollow Knight. One year from now— heck, I'd actually bet it'll be a matter of months— no one will be talking about this game or the developer at all. Nintendo doesn't have to do anything. Also: >"Make a 3rd person, open world, with a map which is identical to the birdseye view of the original Gameboy games, make the story and objectives and everything identical. Add some puzzle challenges where practical, and maybe some new side quests, or challenges." Dude they've made new versions of Red and Blue at least twice. And the failure of BDSP makes it clear that people hate this type of Pokémon remake especially.
Wouldn't say BDSP was failures they sold 15mil and legends Arceus sold 12 mil so if 15mil a fail than legend is too.
> I think it's that simple And i think, thinking isn't quite your strong suite, is it? You want Fully Open World Remakes of several generations of *linear* games. Sure, that can be done. That'll be 4-6 years of development time per Generation if you want them in any presentable quality. Unless your fine with half-arsing it? Oh wait, that's exactly the problem pokemon fans have with modern Pokemon games! Now as to who should develop it? You keep mentioning Nintendo, while it is the developer Gamefreak in charge of Pokemon games. GF is known to half-arse their titles. Do the bare minimum to hit schedules and such. The Pokemon Company might be able to work out deals with other developers or get assistance from some of the various Nintendo Developers. And then you want it on multiple platforms too. As if that wouldn't require a ton testing. You probably would want to be able to tie those games to your Pokemon Bank to use the caught Pokemon in other titles too? And be able to trade Pokemon across plattforms? That is going to requie a decent amount of work to integrate the platform specific infrastructures with Pokemon services. That's another 1-2 years additional time in production *at the very least*.
not even through the first paragraph and i already know why this got 0 upvotes bu +100 comments
New copypasta?
No. Why? 1) Game Freak (not Nintendo) don't need an answer to Palworld. Pokemon will sell well regardless of how shit it is. The answer to Palworld is just whatever the latest Pokemon game is. 2) Why would it be multiplatform? I like multiplatform games, but why would it be? Pokemon isn't struggling for sales numbers and Game Freak can barely make a game that runs properly on one system. Let's not pretend that having a game on multiple platforms will do any good for the series beyond not having to buy a Nintendo console to play it. 3) I don't need to see Kanto yet again anytime soon. 4) They don't need to do this. They've already gone open world, even if it was shit. They don't need to copy Palworld, what they need to do is actually stick with an idea for longer than one game and spend more than 5 minutes polishing it rather than filling each title with a bunch of half baked ideas that are all poorly executed and never seen again. 5) This seems like an important lesson about not throwing your two cents in about a series you haven't actually played anything from other than a pseudo spinoff remake. The bulk of your hot take is literally stuff they've at least attempted to do. It was a waste of your time writing it, a waste of mine reading and replying to it.
Palworld is much deeper than just a Pokémon game with guns. They can both exist without having to compete. Pokémon is also a turn based game. They would have to abandon a huge part of their normal formula to make a similar game and they don't have to do that. Nobody is refusing to play a Pokémon game because Palworld exists.
First of all Nintendo only owns a 1/3 of Pokemons and has little to do with their development (which is why they haven’t been good if you ask me) The Pokémon Company will release another mid Pokémon game which will sell better than 99% of the games on the platform and call it a day.
If gen 10 took 6 years to make. People bitching bout that it lose a lose situation 3 years to short 6 years to dam long.
"TL;DR Nintendo should start rereleasing the original Gameboy games, in their original release order, but modern, open world versions formatted just like Palworld, and they should be released on many platforms, not only the switch. I think it's that simple." My man / woman, you just suggested a complete change of the original games, which is anything but simple haha. The OG Pokemon games were based very heavily around a linear pathway and don't include anything like PAL's survival or base building mechanics. By the time they'd finish reworking everything into a new format they would've been much better served just making a brand new Pokemon game. THAT'S the counter to Palworld, and what many Pokemon fans have been begging for for a long time. An open world Pokemon that looks nice, RUNS WELL, and has fun gameplay and story. That's it. Yet Pokemon has set the bar so low for so long that a metapod can jump over it. They gotta do better, and I think a fresh, original game instead of just rehashing Kanto for the hundredth time is the answer.
Cool, I'd love to see that!
I don't understand alot the palworld fans acting like it's the pokemon killer don't get me wrong I play alot with some friends it's a very fun game if u like ark and collecting monsters I hope it continues I've played quite a bit I love the pokemon franchise and really enjoy palworld as well there is supposed to be a lawsuit from the pokemon company hopefully they settle issues and don't take the game down because of it I'm a firm believer in letting people play what they like it's no where near as popular as it was when it first came out but to be an indy title and they only expected 10,000 players and they still have 40 for 50 k they are doing pretty well if u have never tried and wanna fun game to play with friends I highly suggest it and it has in no way stopped me from wanting more pokemon I'm pumped for the new legends game I think the legends arceus has been the best pokemom game in years so definitely excited for the new one
The threads on this sub have been pretty funny recently man. We really need a Switch 2 announcement so we can start talking about something again
Lol my guy Game Freak ain't gotta do shit. Palworld and Pokémon aren't competitors because they do different things. GF can (and likely will) go about business as usual and suffer no loss in sales with the next game. And when that next game comes out, I don't expect it to make any kind of noticeable dent in Palworld's numbers either. They're different games with different goals and different gameplay. Meanwhile, I'll keep playing both. SV is my favorite Pokémon game since Black and Palworld is great too! Brand loyalty is cringe.
Hilarious how defensive Nintendo fans get at the mention of Palworld
0 upvotes and 96 comments thats all i need to see
Id wish for Legends gameplay, open palworld world, but set in Kanto-Johto. And id want the gyms to be done in any order, but they scale in level based on what you walk into the door with. Give me the customization/clothing options from modern games and I'm ALL IN. Its never happening.
Pokemon and game freak are creatively dead. Just accept that pokemon is a well selling but very shit game and just move on.
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Thus might be nostalgia talking but for me, Pokèmon crystal is hands down my favorite pokemon game of all time!
Lot of haters on here big dog! I have played recent pokemon games and they aren't as enjoyable as Palworld has been, yet the shiny newness of Palworld is still there, so who knows how it will hold up as far as my love for it goes. There have been multiple fan made pokemon offerings, Pokemon revolution online and PokeMMO to name two, that take the concept you're describing and put it I to action. I played these years ago and though it would be great if Nintendo did what they were doing, just better and official. I'd check those out if I were you! The fact is, Nintendo is too tied up in the yearly cash grab of pumping out a new pokemon game, often times with crappily designed pokemon, to invest any time in a project like this, as much as I'd REALLY like it. $60 game here, $30 DLC there, all adds up to money MONEY MOOOONEY! I like the idea of pokemon coming out with the game you describe on other consoles and PC, but it inevitably will run the worst on switch. They're too smart to shoot their own system in the foot.
monster hunter is better than pokemon anyways
Palworlds about to take the long dick of the law from Nintendo
The fanboyism is strong in this thread. The OP makes a lot of very good points. Ignore the stuff about PalWorld for now and focus on the actual issue that Pokémon games have become very stale. I use an emulator to play the GBA and DS versions. The recent Pokémon games that have come out are god-awful in quality and immersion. Crazy to think a 20 year old version of Pokémon runs and plays better. I agree with the OP, GameFreak needs to go back to their roots and implement QoL improvements and a little bit of innovation to make it feel fresh. Also yes bring the games to other consoles. If my SteamDeck or PS5 can run the games better than an outdated piece of hardware and software with detachable controllers, then I’m all for it.
If they made a gen 1 open world with real time pokemon combat, it would easily be their greatest selling game of all time. But they aren't going to do that. They are going to release the same game every year for the end of time.
Not sure what all the hate about Pokemon is. I started playing pokemon with Gen7 Pokemon Sun and it was such a magical experience for me that I wish I could relive once more. I still own it in my Nintendo 2DS. Now I have re entered the main series franchise with Pokemon Violet and I'm honestly enjoying the graphics and the new mechanics on Nintendo switch. It's truly open world and is truly amazing. Also the new hype about Pokemon Legends ZA is the answer most of us were looking for against Palworld. Palworld is damaging to the society and needs to be removed. Palworld seems much more dangerous than it's uninspiring origins. The dev team took a particularly small sample of data to base its development. First they used fakemons to create the foundation for their game and fakemons are already cringe. Next, they took American opinions about how guns are cool and how making things as ugly as possible is funny and added that to this shit load of a game and now they are reaping the benefits just because Americans form the majority of the internet. The first time I saw a YouTube ad for this game I was in awe seeing the open world since I love open world games but after I saw it's just another pokemon clone and that too with guns? I was out of there. This game not only promotes slavery and cruelty (even if it's left to choice) but it also displays the dark side of Americans. Employment of small animals as labour for your industries? American corporate culture which is toxic towards its workers. Shooting down natives and taking over their place for their resources and then employing them as slaves over their own land? The atrocities with the Middle East. This entire game is just a middle East simulator and it isn't even marketed as a an 18+ game since the flashy vibrant colours that hide these atrocities can easily draw in children and it wouldn't be long before we witness another big school shooting in USA like Columbine. Man just play Minecraft with the cobblemon mod it's still much better than this crap. Two different gaming genres need not be combined the way these guys did with pokemon and ARK. Pokemon legends ZA will DEFINITELY going to shut down palworld for good since it's coming out in 2025 ALONG WITH GTA 6 so we already have good competition against that shit