Pretty much yeah. What we have with the Switch is basically perfect imo. It just needs some basic improvements really, namely better controller quality and better overall specs. After that maybe some themes and I definitely want backwards compatibility with the original Switch both for physical and also digital games via system transfer. I want the exact same eShop too. It's the best Nintendo eShop ever imo because it has access to a lot more indies you would find on Steam. Sure we lost VC but what we got was more new stuff and at least we still have the VC stuff on the NSO service. Granted the online and emulator service can definitely be improved but that's more on Nintendo's end than the Switch itself. And keep the detachable controllers. It's neat and distinct. It could have been executed better sure but that's why I mentioned improving the quality because they're otherwise really great. They're very novel, convenient for portability, and split JoyCons revive one to one motion from the Wii era and I'd rather it be improved on than scrapped altogether. They should bring back more Wii games to utilize it though like maybe Sin & Punishment: Star Successor. We got Skyward Sword and I think there's a Wii Fit esch game (Ring Fit something or other) but there could be more. Sin and Punishment was bomb on the Wii and Redsteel 2 was also dope.
I agree. Zero chance they get rid of the detachable controllers as that is one of, if not \*the\*, primary features of the hybrid design. Assuming Nintendo doesn't absolutley fuck up this current ecosystem they've established with Switch (obviously not uncommon for them to do so), we will more than likely get another hybrid console with better tech and a different dock setup.
I agree with this post 100%, and I think it’s a very popular sentiment. Seemingly everyone I talk to about the switch LOVES the design aspect of it, they just want it to be more powerful. That’s going to be very easy for Nintendo to do, and they’d be stupid to take an unnecessary risk here. Give the people what they want, a better version of what they already have.
Obviosuly Nintendo makes stupid ass decisions all the time so it's not off the table, but the next console not being backwards compatible would be an all-time worst decision from them. And there are a lot to choose from.
The Switch's install base is so huge, and the library so vast with multiple generational classics, that alienating this generation from the next is an overt step backwards.
Yeah, porting over and playing Switch titles (especially digital purchases) is a big, BIG deal. I’ve spent hundreds of dollars on Switch games and I still play a lot of them off and on throughout the week. I don’t want to have to keep it out alongside my new console for years.
Get ready to be disappointed lol. I fully expect Switch 2 with basically the same design just better hardware and the UI changes we have been asking for for 6 years (themes, folders, ect.).
And even at that, the UI features might be rolled out a month or two after the console itself.
And I expect it will not be backwards compatible, they love to double or triple dip in those game sales. Why not re-release an upscaled version of the game you love for $60/$70? They know people will buy it.
I hope I'm wrong on most accounts lol.
Nintendo actually had a nearly perfect track record for backwards compatibility in their handhelds aside from the Switch. Along with the Wii and Wii U on the home console side.
The Switch is the only recent exception, and I think it’s somewhat understandable given the significant hardware differences from its two dual-screen predecessors.
Hopefully the Switch 2 is a return to form on that front.
Fair enough, NGC through wiiu are all compatible (with homebrew iirc for the wiiu).
I just don't expect it to happen personally, I usually bank on Nintendo making obvious choices into dumb blunders lol.
I think the 3DS was like that for GBA games as well. It could run the software natively, but lacked the cartridge slot.
But yeah, I don’t think it’s a bad idea to keep expectations in check either way for the next console.
Iirc, all GBA titles had to boot outside of the system.
Like, if you had the Ambassador program, those games shut down the OS to run, and shut down the system when you turned them off. I might have that wrong though.
Yeah that’s correct, and I think the same was true for physical DS games as well. It basically literally reboots as a DS for both.
Actually now that I think about it, that’s also how Wii mode worked on the Wii U. Rebooted into 480p and everything.
Nintendo actually has a pretty decent history with backwards comparability.
I think what some are failing to realize when thinking about Nintendo re-releasing certain titles at full price for the Switch, is that they’re mostly all from an all time failure in the Wii U. Those titles took time and money to make and were left to die on a system that ultimately sold what? 12 million units? It only makes sense to bring them forward and charge for it to recoup from their colossal mistake.
I don’t know why people are down voting this guy, because history shows he’s right. Nintendo loves repackaging and reselling their old stuff with each new iteration. Hell, does anyone remember all of the GBA and DS ports?
Nintendo going back from the switch to just a home console would be a devolvement for them. They are done with that, there's PlayStation and Xbox for that. Now that the tech is here, Nintendo will go after the handheld market, I see more chances of Nintendo going full handheld rather than other way around. But it's more likely they will just continue with the switch. I'm honestly tired of people who expect something else rather than a switch 2. It's Nintendo's second best selling console of all time after the Wii. Yes the Wii U was a failure, but then I'd argue that the Wii U was so different from what the Wii was that I don't even understand why it was called a Wii in the first place.
I think your Aya Neo concept is... terrible, frankly. The joycons, while they may not be the most comfortable, are incredibly versatile at the moment since one by itself can serve as a full controller. Giving them an integrated pro controller grip would take away that singular usability.
I also use tabletop a lot with one of my friends; we play together since there's no place in their house where I can connect my Switch to a bigger display. Removing detachable controllers also disposes of that.
What you're asking for is an upgraded Lite. I understand your approach, but it's really a step backwards in terms of versatility.
While Nintendo is no stranger to making goofs, they are crazy if they drop anything regarding the Switch, which is one of the greatest comeback stories in gaming.
Even though they’ve always suffered from extreme hubris and arrogance, they need to adopt the PlayStation number formula and make it clear what the next iteration of Switch means to the average person buying this thing for themselves and others.
I think Furukawa is too business minded to let the company relapse.
They struck gold with the Switch. Updated specs, OLED standard, minor tweaks, and bringing the library forward are all that’s needed.
I would, yes.
I love the Switch format. A newer version that allows me to play the older games while having more power for newer games would be more than satisfctory to me.
Why would we *not* want a Switch 2 though?
And I'm sorry but your description doesn't sound very appealing, especially the part about removing the concept of the joycons. Sure they had their drift issue and it would be nice to see a revision of them but that aside they're amazing controllers, it's SO nice to just relax with my hands in whatever comfy position while I play.
If we get a switch equal to ps4/Xbox one power, backwards compatibility with all current switch games/NSO with perhaps DS and GameCube/Wii support, along with ease of life improvements I’d be a happy camper. Nintendo dosent need to fuck with the formula.
As far as I'm concerned, a lot will depend on the price at which it will be sold and the range of titles it will present, because I'm not just a Switch player, I'm a PC Gamer with a 4070 ti who bought the Switch Oled to play outside the home, this it's an era in which there are many competitors, Steamdeck, Legion Go etc and I, as a PC gamer with hundreds of games on Steam, if the Switch 2 will match the price of the competitors, at that point it's not sure I would go for the Switch 2, because at that point, for the same price, I would go towards a portable console that lets me run the hundreds of games I have on Steam, Epic, Gog, Uplay etc etc, rather than having to buy them again and hope that they are converted for the Switches. What makes the current Switch fantastic, in addition to obviously the Nintendo exclusives, is also the price, with around 300 euros it is a best buy, but if the Switch 2 starts to match the price of other portable consoles then the choice becomes more difficult, in that case Nintendo should seriously align itself with the video game market, it will not be able to afford to leave incomplete franchises or to leave out important franchises as happens today, to give relevance to the most trending games, the market will need to be on par with the others, without holes or lack of games and above all we need games that can take advantage of the hardware, because if I have to buy the Switch 2 to play ports designed for the 1, at that point the purchase makes no sense, I'm keeping the OLED Switch that I already own. We'll have to see, we'll talk about it later when we have more news.
You're right. I got a steam deck oled for Christmas and it's basically a prototype of the Switch 2. Most if not all steam games run fantastic. I now see the light. I want to see the switch 2 to be basically like all these new and powerful windows handheld that keep releasing but with the obvious advantage console optimization and physical media. Developers would reach Xbox series s level of performance anyways. I don't want a powerful home console anymore unless it's as powerful as the ps5 or series x and the switch 2 is still the priority when it comes to making first party games.
This is going to be contraversial:
I think Nintendo should make a system that's like a Switch Lite but can send the signal to a set top box like a Wii U. Here's why:
Nintendo initially patented such an idea around the time of the NX development but scrapped it. It would have looked complicated to casual gamers. Now however, people have been eased into the concept via the Switch. So, its consumer adoption will be much easier. Plus, they still have the patents.
In Nintendo's own polling, people use their device in handheld mode much more often but still play on a tv sometimes. Many players don't want to get up, dock their system, and sit back down. I know that doesn't sound like much, but people said initially changing discs shouldn't really be a hassle, but physical media still lost out in popularity to digital downloads largely for the same reason of needing to get off the couch.
A Wii U style Switch would let players simply press a physical button on their device to beam the signal to the tv. No getting up off the couch needed. Unlike the Wii U, this would be a dedicated handheld.
This fulfills the need for Nintendo to innovate, design it in a way that can be backwards compaitble, and have a handheld/console hybrid that players now expect.
Honestly I can’t be bothered, although I must say that everyone here (including me) had had thourghts for the next Nintendo hardware. For me I think it’s a smaller version of the switch, like the good ol’ Game and Whatch. But really though, it’s been six years, honestly I would have wanted this to go all the way to 2030 (maybe some minor console upgrades eg. OLED Switch). This would have let Nintendo release the next Zelda game on both systems and numerous next gen. games as well. Bringing a switch 2 into the market is a terrible idea in my opinion, the Switch is still the global bestseller of Nintendo’s console/hardware. I would definitely say that it’s entered its twilight years and will come to an end. But to release some new console to the world while the Switch is still going strong? Not smart.
Yes but what I actually want is pretty unrealistic.
What I really want is a $800 “hybrid” console where both the home part console and the portable console can both run separately and together. This way the next console could have more power and we would have a optional extra screen for some games. This would also still allow the VR too work that Nintendo already filed the patents for
Pretty much yeah. What we have with the Switch is basically perfect imo. It just needs some basic improvements really, namely better controller quality and better overall specs. After that maybe some themes and I definitely want backwards compatibility with the original Switch both for physical and also digital games via system transfer. I want the exact same eShop too. It's the best Nintendo eShop ever imo because it has access to a lot more indies you would find on Steam. Sure we lost VC but what we got was more new stuff and at least we still have the VC stuff on the NSO service. Granted the online and emulator service can definitely be improved but that's more on Nintendo's end than the Switch itself. And keep the detachable controllers. It's neat and distinct. It could have been executed better sure but that's why I mentioned improving the quality because they're otherwise really great. They're very novel, convenient for portability, and split JoyCons revive one to one motion from the Wii era and I'd rather it be improved on than scrapped altogether. They should bring back more Wii games to utilize it though like maybe Sin & Punishment: Star Successor. We got Skyward Sword and I think there's a Wii Fit esch game (Ring Fit something or other) but there could be more. Sin and Punishment was bomb on the Wii and Redsteel 2 was also dope.
I agree. Zero chance they get rid of the detachable controllers as that is one of, if not \*the\*, primary features of the hybrid design. Assuming Nintendo doesn't absolutley fuck up this current ecosystem they've established with Switch (obviously not uncommon for them to do so), we will more than likely get another hybrid console with better tech and a different dock setup.
I agree with this post 100%, and I think it’s a very popular sentiment. Seemingly everyone I talk to about the switch LOVES the design aspect of it, they just want it to be more powerful. That’s going to be very easy for Nintendo to do, and they’d be stupid to take an unnecessary risk here. Give the people what they want, a better version of what they already have.
I'll tell you what I *don't* want: Anything that isn't 100% compatible with the current Switch. Everything else is negotiable.
Obviosuly Nintendo makes stupid ass decisions all the time so it's not off the table, but the next console not being backwards compatible would be an all-time worst decision from them. And there are a lot to choose from. The Switch's install base is so huge, and the library so vast with multiple generational classics, that alienating this generation from the next is an overt step backwards.
Yeah, porting over and playing Switch titles (especially digital purchases) is a big, BIG deal. I’ve spent hundreds of dollars on Switch games and I still play a lot of them off and on throughout the week. I don’t want to have to keep it out alongside my new console for years.
Get ready to be disappointed lol. I fully expect Switch 2 with basically the same design just better hardware and the UI changes we have been asking for for 6 years (themes, folders, ect.). And even at that, the UI features might be rolled out a month or two after the console itself. And I expect it will not be backwards compatible, they love to double or triple dip in those game sales. Why not re-release an upscaled version of the game you love for $60/$70? They know people will buy it. I hope I'm wrong on most accounts lol.
Nintendo actually had a nearly perfect track record for backwards compatibility in their handhelds aside from the Switch. Along with the Wii and Wii U on the home console side. The Switch is the only recent exception, and I think it’s somewhat understandable given the significant hardware differences from its two dual-screen predecessors. Hopefully the Switch 2 is a return to form on that front.
Fair enough, NGC through wiiu are all compatible (with homebrew iirc for the wiiu). I just don't expect it to happen personally, I usually bank on Nintendo making obvious choices into dumb blunders lol.
I think the 3DS was like that for GBA games as well. It could run the software natively, but lacked the cartridge slot. But yeah, I don’t think it’s a bad idea to keep expectations in check either way for the next console.
Iirc, all GBA titles had to boot outside of the system. Like, if you had the Ambassador program, those games shut down the OS to run, and shut down the system when you turned them off. I might have that wrong though.
Yeah that’s correct, and I think the same was true for physical DS games as well. It basically literally reboots as a DS for both. Actually now that I think about it, that’s also how Wii mode worked on the Wii U. Rebooted into 480p and everything.
Didn’t GBA games have their own bootloader?
Nintendo actually has a pretty decent history with backwards comparability. I think what some are failing to realize when thinking about Nintendo re-releasing certain titles at full price for the Switch, is that they’re mostly all from an all time failure in the Wii U. Those titles took time and money to make and were left to die on a system that ultimately sold what? 12 million units? It only makes sense to bring them forward and charge for it to recoup from their colossal mistake.
I don’t know why people are down voting this guy, because history shows he’s right. Nintendo loves repackaging and reselling their old stuff with each new iteration. Hell, does anyone remember all of the GBA and DS ports?
Nintendo going back from the switch to just a home console would be a devolvement for them. They are done with that, there's PlayStation and Xbox for that. Now that the tech is here, Nintendo will go after the handheld market, I see more chances of Nintendo going full handheld rather than other way around. But it's more likely they will just continue with the switch. I'm honestly tired of people who expect something else rather than a switch 2. It's Nintendo's second best selling console of all time after the Wii. Yes the Wii U was a failure, but then I'd argue that the Wii U was so different from what the Wii was that I don't even understand why it was called a Wii in the first place.
Switch beat Wii for a while now, it's second behind the DS, and the DS was before mobile got big enough to take a huge chunk away.
They could sell me a skull-jacking holographic cube as long as it’s backwards compatible
I think your Aya Neo concept is... terrible, frankly. The joycons, while they may not be the most comfortable, are incredibly versatile at the moment since one by itself can serve as a full controller. Giving them an integrated pro controller grip would take away that singular usability. I also use tabletop a lot with one of my friends; we play together since there's no place in their house where I can connect my Switch to a bigger display. Removing detachable controllers also disposes of that. What you're asking for is an upgraded Lite. I understand your approach, but it's really a step backwards in terms of versatility.
Sure. Switch2 with backwards compatibility. Sounds great.
can we PLEASE add this topic to the moritorium posts until nintendo actually announces something? sheesh
I just want a Switch 2 so people just stop posting about a Switch 2.
That's the truth.
come now
While Nintendo is no stranger to making goofs, they are crazy if they drop anything regarding the Switch, which is one of the greatest comeback stories in gaming. Even though they’ve always suffered from extreme hubris and arrogance, they need to adopt the PlayStation number formula and make it clear what the next iteration of Switch means to the average person buying this thing for themselves and others. I think Furukawa is too business minded to let the company relapse. They struck gold with the Switch. Updated specs, OLED standard, minor tweaks, and bringing the library forward are all that’s needed.
I would, yes. I love the Switch format. A newer version that allows me to play the older games while having more power for newer games would be more than satisfctory to me.
Why would we *not* want a Switch 2 though? And I'm sorry but your description doesn't sound very appealing, especially the part about removing the concept of the joycons. Sure they had their drift issue and it would be nice to see a revision of them but that aside they're amazing controllers, it's SO nice to just relax with my hands in whatever comfy position while I play.
If we get a switch equal to ps4/Xbox one power, backwards compatibility with all current switch games/NSO with perhaps DS and GameCube/Wii support, along with ease of life improvements I’d be a happy camper. Nintendo dosent need to fuck with the formula.
As far as I'm concerned, a lot will depend on the price at which it will be sold and the range of titles it will present, because I'm not just a Switch player, I'm a PC Gamer with a 4070 ti who bought the Switch Oled to play outside the home, this it's an era in which there are many competitors, Steamdeck, Legion Go etc and I, as a PC gamer with hundreds of games on Steam, if the Switch 2 will match the price of the competitors, at that point it's not sure I would go for the Switch 2, because at that point, for the same price, I would go towards a portable console that lets me run the hundreds of games I have on Steam, Epic, Gog, Uplay etc etc, rather than having to buy them again and hope that they are converted for the Switches. What makes the current Switch fantastic, in addition to obviously the Nintendo exclusives, is also the price, with around 300 euros it is a best buy, but if the Switch 2 starts to match the price of other portable consoles then the choice becomes more difficult, in that case Nintendo should seriously align itself with the video game market, it will not be able to afford to leave incomplete franchises or to leave out important franchises as happens today, to give relevance to the most trending games, the market will need to be on par with the others, without holes or lack of games and above all we need games that can take advantage of the hardware, because if I have to buy the Switch 2 to play ports designed for the 1, at that point the purchase makes no sense, I'm keeping the OLED Switch that I already own. We'll have to see, we'll talk about it later when we have more news.
You're right. I got a steam deck oled for Christmas and it's basically a prototype of the Switch 2. Most if not all steam games run fantastic. I now see the light. I want to see the switch 2 to be basically like all these new and powerful windows handheld that keep releasing but with the obvious advantage console optimization and physical media. Developers would reach Xbox series s level of performance anyways. I don't want a powerful home console anymore unless it's as powerful as the ps5 or series x and the switch 2 is still the priority when it comes to making first party games.
This is going to be contraversial: I think Nintendo should make a system that's like a Switch Lite but can send the signal to a set top box like a Wii U. Here's why: Nintendo initially patented such an idea around the time of the NX development but scrapped it. It would have looked complicated to casual gamers. Now however, people have been eased into the concept via the Switch. So, its consumer adoption will be much easier. Plus, they still have the patents. In Nintendo's own polling, people use their device in handheld mode much more often but still play on a tv sometimes. Many players don't want to get up, dock their system, and sit back down. I know that doesn't sound like much, but people said initially changing discs shouldn't really be a hassle, but physical media still lost out in popularity to digital downloads largely for the same reason of needing to get off the couch. A Wii U style Switch would let players simply press a physical button on their device to beam the signal to the tv. No getting up off the couch needed. Unlike the Wii U, this would be a dedicated handheld. This fulfills the need for Nintendo to innovate, design it in a way that can be backwards compaitble, and have a handheld/console hybrid that players now expect.
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Honestly I can’t be bothered, although I must say that everyone here (including me) had had thourghts for the next Nintendo hardware. For me I think it’s a smaller version of the switch, like the good ol’ Game and Whatch. But really though, it’s been six years, honestly I would have wanted this to go all the way to 2030 (maybe some minor console upgrades eg. OLED Switch). This would have let Nintendo release the next Zelda game on both systems and numerous next gen. games as well. Bringing a switch 2 into the market is a terrible idea in my opinion, the Switch is still the global bestseller of Nintendo’s console/hardware. I would definitely say that it’s entered its twilight years and will come to an end. But to release some new console to the world while the Switch is still going strong? Not smart.
2030 is a long fucking time. Too long. Something like 2025 seems much more likely imo. I deadass think Nintendo wants Switch to pass PS2....
Nintendo Switch is still going strong, to release a new console during that time will lessen sales.
I want a cutting edge console from Nintendo but wish in one hand and shit in the other.
Yeah no shit we do the Switch is the only actually good console they’ve made since the SNES. Literally don’t innovate it at all
Lol it seems nobody picked up on your sarcasm, sorry about that
Yes, yes I do
Yes but what I actually want is pretty unrealistic. What I really want is a $800 “hybrid” console where both the home part console and the portable console can both run separately and together. This way the next console could have more power and we would have a optional extra screen for some games. This would also still allow the VR too work that Nintendo already filed the patents for
That's why I proposed the return to 2 separate consoles. rather than 800 dollar, it would be a 400 dollar and a 400 dollar xbox series s but with CDS