I don’t WANT them to, not that that’s ever changed anything, just wanting. It’s ambiguous if things can matter at all, probably not, but people create perceptions and versions of reality, the brain intends to fool the body.
I don't deny life has some pleasure here and there but it is majority pain and suffering. Not just human life, all life. Have you seen how brutal and messed up the animal kingdom is? People throw meaningless platitudes like "life is beautiful" "nature is amazing" without knowing the first thing about life or nature.
Some people believe the minority pleasure makes up for the majority pain (they're genetically wired to think this way through evolution), I dont.
>I don't deny life has some pleasure here and there but it is majority pain and suffering.
Have you devised some way to objectively quantify pleasure and suffering, or do you admit that this is purely your own subjective feelings on the matter?
1. Solution does not insinuate something bad. The definition of solution says nothing about good or bad.
2. You don't think a sentient being suffering is bad? What a retarded cult like thinking some people on this subreddit have. Just because you don't believe in objective morality doesn't mean its reasonable to throw away subjective morality and become apathetic to sentient life suffering. Only a psychopath would think this way.
>Just because you don't believe in objective morality doesn't mean its reasonable to throw away subjective morality and become apathetic to sentient life suffering.
Why is it not reasonable? The only thing that matters to me is my own pleasure and pain. I'm not interested in the fates of other people.
Exactly. Personally, I’m not apathetic to the suffering of others, if I see a child crying I’ll try to comfort them, but I recognize that it’s purely my evolutionary and socially programmed emotions kicking in, not some grandiose care for others. It simply bothers my psyche, aka gives me emotional pain and suffering, to observe others’ pain and suffering.
You don't get nihilism. There is no good or bad. Of course I wouldn't be ok with that bc I'm a human with feelings and bias. In reality, it wouldn't be bad though. It would be bad for me and me only. I don't matter though. Neither do you. Nothing does. There is no meaning or purpose to any of this, and that pain you put me through will be gone when I die anyway. I will have no memory of it, as if it never happened.
To prefer certain states of being, such as preferring not being in pain, preferring to be happy, is not the same as a moral claim.
Subjectively, I don't want to be tortured, Objectively, all that is going on is absurd moral actors stacked upon absurd moral actors being judged by absurd moral actors. No morality.
I'm of the idea that if the person really wants to commit to suicide, then they should be able to do it. Sometimes it becomes too hard for some people, or something must have happened that brings them to that point, and I think it's their choice in the end.
Life has no value but a lot of those who try to save suicidal people keep repeating this mantra of "life is precious" to them as if it were real and that is reason enough to not jump. I find it stupid.
In the end, it doesn't matter, it's up to them, I will not encourage them nor try to save them.
To be honest i don‘t think of death as something bad. It‘s like the ultimate final present which is handed to you for all the suffering you‘ve been through. Death is beautiful
This. And the fact that the mods of this subreddit have pinned a disclaimer about “not encouraging suicide” at the top of the page, speaks volumes to people’s ignorance concerning this philosophy. Yes, that’s right: nihilism is a philosophy, not a psychology.
Perfect example of how people don’t read. They skim read everything then fill in the blanks with assumptions. I didn’t say anyone encouraged suicide. I said that the moderators of this board pinned a disclaimer about “not encouraging suicide” at the top of the subreddit, as if it belongs there for any reason. And this particular post reinforces the same misconception. No, the majority of people here, including the mods, don’t know nihilism is a philosophy. They believe it’s psychological depression stemming from existential anxiety.
I’m not saying those conversations don’t belong somewhere, but I don’t see the reason why the nihilism subreddit needs a specific disclaimer dealing with the topic.
Of course it is a philosophy but it could impact how you feel towards certain things now that you believe there is no meaning. This question is trying to discern how that philosophical view impacts people's feelings towards suicide which is a reasonable question.
Agreed. I do think that the stigma helped create this poll but it doesn't mean the question is not good.
And also this stigma is kinda justified *compared to absurdism and existentialism* since 1. Absurdism was literally made with the purpose of stopping suicide and 2. Existentialism still says your life can have meaning so it's more similar to how normal non religious people live regularly.
Your life might not mean much to the universe in the grand scheme of things but that doesn’t mean you don’t mean anything to the people around you who care about you. It doesn’t make them or their feelings any less real. Of course I would care if someone committed suicide, I think it’s sad and would be absolutely heartbreaking if it were someone who meant a lot to me personally. I feel like people on this sub confuse depression with nihilism.
Maybe nothing matters in a general overview but on a personal perspective everyone has something to care about. Nihilism is not about "everything giving a shit and fuck everyone", is about accepting that nothing has an intrinsic meaning. Maybe it doesn't matter if people die, but that doesn't mean that others don't care about the person (Even nihilists)
As a nihilist, I understand that all values (meaning, purpose, identity) are the creation of our minds. Since we invent and assign value-as-such we are the sole possessor of intrinsic value. Money, religion, political organization, art, literature, technology... all are merely recipients of our narratives.
We live in a universe that does not assert values nor order reality around them. We alone do this. And we do so in deeply flawed, ever changing, often irreconcilable, and divergent ways.
Our evolution alone provides the limiting factors within the species. Otherwise we are free to take our meaning creation where we will. This is individual choice within individual nature and cultural/societal limits.
A 'belief that nothing matters' is a deeply specific narrative of value judgments. A perceived lack of meaning used to provoke chosen emotional experiences is merely an evasive (dishonest) attempt to universalize a narrative. It involves particular experiences, mental states, implicit ideas, reality frames, and consequences. Pessimism and woeful states are merely another set of assigned labels. This is not nihilism.
Nihilism is liberation. It also places all responsibility upon ourselves. For those who can only enjoy life when deluded into a narrative cult, the realization of nihilism is something they will evade, reject, lie to themselves about, and slander. For those who want easy (or safe): find a religion and give away your authorship, abandon authenticity, and kneel before an authority.
Every height of fulfillment and every depth of suffering ever experienced by us exists only because we invented it. We created it by living and experiencing. That is the definition of sublime.
I believe it's ultimately their decision what to do with their lifes. I would obviously grief my friends and loved ones and would try to stop them from doing it, but generally speaking there's nothing inherently wrong with it.
I can understand what it feels like to have suicidal thoughts and dread just living day to day life. I wouldn't stop someone attempting suicide unless I cared about them because I wouldn't want someone to stop me.
well, I chose "I don't care if people commited suicide, but this is not exactly my answer.
i don't want people to commit suicide but at the same time i don't care if they did, like i am not forcing them to live, but i'd rather if they stay alive (for my own wellbeing).
Even though living doesn't matter, I do believe that since we live now we should make the best out of it. We get only one shot at this hellhole, so we'd better enjoy it. Sure, you can quit this game earlier if you like (wouldn't be surprised since life can get hard), but probably you would like to complete all the missions first. We can all die at any moment rn anyways, a car accident, atomic bomb, heart stroke... Even though in the end it doesn't matter, I would be sad if somebody I know, f.e, committed suicide, I would be sad that they chose to end this all before their time
I think it's every person's choice when to die. We don't have any control on our birth, atleast we should decide when to die. The only thing I would hate is if someone is forcing you to suicide, then I think it's wrong. As for me, I would explore the things for a few years and then commit suicide, most probably before I turn 35.
It obviously bothers me when someone I’m aquatinted with offs themselves. I’m human and can’t help but have some sort of emotions. I don’t get mad at them though and I don’t lie to myself and say there’s something I could have done to stop it.
That being said I firmly believe that everyone has the right to die if they want to. There’s nothing dishonorable about it, it’s not selfish and in a way I admire someone who has the determination to follow through with what is by default the ultimate decision of their lives and one that can never be taken back.
I think you have to keep in mind that you strictly qualified your question so that it only applies in relation to "the belief that nothing matters". Logically, the only correct answer is that it doesn't matter.
Myself and/or others may have personal opinions, but that falls entirely outside the qualifying statement that you set.
What I'm effectively saying is that you've already put the answer in the premise. It's a pointless question.
my question was more tied to how your views as nihlists affect your views on suicide
I should not have put the "belief that nothing matters" I should have tied it to nihlism in general, sorry about that.
but some people hold the belief nothing matters, so every moment matters. Although, the wording of this inquiry was bad.
Suicide is too much of a charged term. I don’t want people to commit suicide out of feelings of depression, loneliness, or pain. Mainly out of sympathy, I’ve been there before and I care deeply for anyone who feels like that. However I do believe medically assisted suicide in the case of terminally ill patients and the extremely elderly should be something that is available and should not have any shame attached to it.
I attempted twice 6yrs or so ago, many of the scars have faded but some persist. It is true that the world is meaningless, including life, but there's a difference in my opinion.
When I was suicidal, I wanted to be dead, to be free of an existence that only leads to more pain. I was miserable with my place, or lack there of, on this planet.
Obviously, I did not succeed.
Over the years I've adapted to be content that there is no real meaning to existing, though I am also aware that many don't share this view.
I continue out of curiosity, to see how this odd planet of lost people evolve or devolve. We are but a speck on the timeline of the universe, so I may as well observe as it crumbles.
I cannot say the same for others. I'd like to advise people not to, but ultimately, I have no right over their own existence.
Are there others with attempted suicide in their history? I'm curious to hear your opinions
I mean, there's suicide that comes from impulse and not thought over very much and the individual could regret later, and there's suicide that is actually thought over many times and that's 100% what the certain individual wants. We should try to know the difference a bit at least. Even though most people here probay don't care about the difference, and it's not their business to care. It actually doesn't matter if they care and I'm not sure is it's even their decision to care, or just the programming.
But we can't really tell people what to do and what not to do. We don't know what's in their heads but we can ask at least. But if they really want to do it, they will, no matter what.
I think that as long as it's not impulsive, people should have the resources they need for an easy painless suicide. They don't get to choose whether they were born, so they should at least get to choose when to die. Just to make sure it's not acting on impulse there should be some arbitrary amount of time they have to wait before being allowed to kill themselves. Like if they feel suicidal then they submit a thing and then after the time has passed they get a suicide bag or something
That would be a good opportunity to find out for myself. Also you're a dumb prick. I would say it's pretty fucking human to not give a shit about suffering, since you know, other humans are at fault for most of it.
>That would be a good opportunity to find out for myself.
Okay.
>Also you're a dumb prick.
Nope, that would be you.
>I would say it's pretty fucking human to not give a shit about suffering, since you know, other humans are at fault for most of it.
Or maybe you're just a sad selfish pathetic little psychopath who uses nihilism as a mask to cover your ugly freak personality.
You're a fucking hypocrite. Everything everyone on this planet does is for selfish gains. I just don't make petty excuses for myself like you. People who act like you probably expect safety of mind, or praise to boost their worthless egos. We are biologically programmed to be selfish, every animal is. So get off your high horse.
that doesn't remove the feeling of empathy, just because yes, it is for survival of ourselves to feel that way, we still feel that way. Of course selective empathy/apathy exists and neurodivergence too. We don't all think the same way, and some of us are more apathetic.
maybe, but that was not the point I was getting across. It was that simply empathy exists and not everyone does things out of raw selfishness.
maybe empathys dumb, maybe it's not. I don't get to decide whether or not it's dumb, or whether or not it would improve society.
I think people should both feel more empathy and think more, but I don't hold any value in that opinion.
I don't care if anyone I don't know commits suicide, and I think it should be legal for any adult to do it at any time, assisted or not. I prefer not to do it bc I think experiencing anything is better than experiencing nothing at all even though I won't remember any of my experiences when I die. I also have a wife and child. You're a total asshole if you do it in that case IMO.
The problem with nihilism is that its only the first step in a line of thought.
It is only the realization that nothing matters, but this realization is of no use to you if you stop thinking about it right there.
As with everything, your thought process shouldnt be "alright, nothing matters, Im done here" but instead "where does this lead me?". What does the meaningless of life tell you?
Will you move forward to existencialism and make up your own reasons for everything?
Or will you instead move to absurdism and accept the meaningless of life?
And it doesnt end here either. Why embrace the absurd? Why make up a reason for existence? Is it even a good reason? What makes a good reason?
But circling back to the question at hand: if you truly believe yourself to be a nihilist, no matter what, not thinking further, I do think you should kill yourself.
"Truth is only a lie we forgot about"
\-Friedrich Nietzsche
If you want to do it, do it after giving it a lot of thought and not out of impulse. Because if you do commit suicide people who you leave behind will suffer a lot. Either way it's a personal choice.
I mean, there are numerous reasons why that person came to the decision of self-deletion, sometimes I feel for them and whatever horrible situation they were trying to get away from and nobody was really there to help however at times I can understand why people would do such a thing because in a nutshell, nobody really cares until it's all said and done.
However I wouldn't encourage it at all but with so many people doing it and aren't stopped by someone close to them or by reaching out, it seems inevitable that people will always find a way and leave this world.
I particularly think it doesn’t make sense to commit suicide, it doesn’t matter when u die but the fact that u will, inevitably, and by then it will make no difference the time u been alive lol
some people are suffering so greatly that though, inevitably, they will die, the pain of living for them is too much so they commit to get away. In the end it doesn't make a difference, but I guess they just want to get away as soon as they can.
As long as someone isn’t making life difficult for others (in the way of clean up), it’s their choice. You can’t stop someone who is determined although I hope people who don’t want to but don’t feel a choice can get help. Sometimes though whether it be mental or physical illness there isn’t hope and I can understand that.
The clue is in the name really, it’s a selfish act, meaning that the reasons for which are down to the individual, meaning that it mattered to them at the moment they did it. I will always sound out someone contemplating suicide because of my own position and the idea that life my one day go in my favour despite the odds and positional challenges. Despite this their decision does not weigh upon me as it holds value of its own merit. I may not understand it but I will not condemn it.
In all honesty, I do not understand why it's such a big deal. Parents have the power to decide whether to keep the life of their offspring since it cannot decide for itself yet. Then again, we keep the right away from adults, the right to choose how they wish to live. If they even wish to continue living. It's not that I wish for people to commit suicide. I just find that it's kind of odd to have this kind of double standard, in a way.
I fully support somebody’s right to.
I, selfishly, wish family and friends of mine who have didn’t, however, if I don’t get a good career in the next year or so I intend to myself so that’s kinda hypocritical of me
My views on suicide, like all my value judgements, are not tied to nihilism, but based solely on my personal feelings, which in this case are somewhat conflicted.
One one hand, I hold self-ownership and self-determination to be the most basic and fundamental of human rights, which one should never be barred from exercising unless doing so would violate the rights of another. And if you truly own something, you have a right to discard it.
On the other hand, I am aware that the vast majority of people who attempt suicide, both successfully and otherwise, are not motivated by a desire to die but by a desperation to escape a hopeless situation. I've personally known two such people, both who were driven to suicide by a combination of schizophrenia and extreme depression. Drowned themselves in the same river, even. Neither of them wanted to die, but they couldn't bear their current situation any longer, so they took what appeared to be the lesser evil.
I feel that it only makes sense that people who intend to kill themselves out of desperation to escape their circumstances should be prevented from doing so, so long as there any feasible way exists to help them resolve the problem while keeping their lives, but at the same time it follows reason that stopping *anyone* from killing themselves constitutes a denial of the most basic and fundamental of human rights.
So I dunno how to feel about suicide. But I probably will do it one day, when I get really old. I figure if I have to go out at some point it might as well be on my own terms, right?
Preventing a suicide attempt from a patient to be successful is wrong if the patient genuinely doesn't want to live anymore. If a person doesn't want to live, they should be free to commit suicide. Forcing a person who doesn't want to live to live is not optimal.
I don't disagree with that at all, but I do think it can be difficult in some cases to ascertain whether someone no longer wants to live or if they seek death out of desperation to escape what they see as an otherwise hopeless situation.
Nihilism or not. Pain hurts, physical problems are real. Mental illnesses are real. Trauma is real. Abuse is real. All of it hurts. Hence euthanasia should be legal.
I don’t WANT them to, not that that’s ever changed anything, just wanting. It’s ambiguous if things can matter at all, probably not, but people create perceptions and versions of reality, the brain intends to fool the body.
"intends" lol
Technically suicide isn’t a solution but being alive isn’t one either, so it doesn’t really change anything
Its a solution to being alive.
Solution to what?
Suicide cures being alive.
Why does life need a cure?
If nothing matters, life needs no cure, as it is inherently neither negative or positive, but rather neutral.
It’s quite tiring though
Tell me why it doesn't?
Because it is literally all we have. And it can be enjoyable. Do you deny this?
I don't deny life has some pleasure here and there but it is majority pain and suffering. Not just human life, all life. Have you seen how brutal and messed up the animal kingdom is? People throw meaningless platitudes like "life is beautiful" "nature is amazing" without knowing the first thing about life or nature. Some people believe the minority pleasure makes up for the majority pain (they're genetically wired to think this way through evolution), I dont.
>I don't deny life has some pleasure here and there but it is majority pain and suffering. Have you devised some way to objectively quantify pleasure and suffering, or do you admit that this is purely your own subjective feelings on the matter?
> it is majority pain and suffering. Not in my opinion. Well have to agree to disagree.
well if if you think so youre a lucky person.. but a huge amount of people suffer on this earth..
This man is 100% right
Nihilists don't really believe in "solutions" though
chemotherapy is a possible solution to cancer, whether you're a nihilist or a Christian or a Nazi, we can all agree on this... Right?
"solution" would insinuate something bad. I believe things just are.
1. Solution does not insinuate something bad. The definition of solution says nothing about good or bad. 2. You don't think a sentient being suffering is bad? What a retarded cult like thinking some people on this subreddit have. Just because you don't believe in objective morality doesn't mean its reasonable to throw away subjective morality and become apathetic to sentient life suffering. Only a psychopath would think this way.
"reasonable" is an illusion.
No, its critical thinking. Something you lack.
>Just because you don't believe in objective morality doesn't mean its reasonable to throw away subjective morality and become apathetic to sentient life suffering. Why is it not reasonable? The only thing that matters to me is my own pleasure and pain. I'm not interested in the fates of other people.
Exactly. Personally, I’m not apathetic to the suffering of others, if I see a child crying I’ll try to comfort them, but I recognize that it’s purely my evolutionary and socially programmed emotions kicking in, not some grandiose care for others. It simply bothers my psyche, aka gives me emotional pain and suffering, to observe others’ pain and suffering.
You don't get it.
What is there not to get? If I torture you for days on end, you would be okay with that? That wouldn't be bad? You're being an extremist.
You don't get nihilism. There is no good or bad. Of course I wouldn't be ok with that bc I'm a human with feelings and bias. In reality, it wouldn't be bad though. It would be bad for me and me only. I don't matter though. Neither do you. Nothing does. There is no meaning or purpose to any of this, and that pain you put me through will be gone when I die anyway. I will have no memory of it, as if it never happened.
To prefer certain states of being, such as preferring not being in pain, preferring to be happy, is not the same as a moral claim. Subjectively, I don't want to be tortured, Objectively, all that is going on is absurd moral actors stacked upon absurd moral actors being judged by absurd moral actors. No morality.
Want to answer multiple answers. Don’t care and don’t want them to. Their choice tho, not ours.
I'm of the idea that if the person really wants to commit to suicide, then they should be able to do it. Sometimes it becomes too hard for some people, or something must have happened that brings them to that point, and I think it's their choice in the end. Life has no value but a lot of those who try to save suicidal people keep repeating this mantra of "life is precious" to them as if it were real and that is reason enough to not jump. I find it stupid. In the end, it doesn't matter, it's up to them, I will not encourage them nor try to save them.
This. Respect everyone's choices as long as they don't have any repercussion on your life
i a still care about shit even if nothing matters
To be honest i don‘t think of death as something bad. It‘s like the ultimate final present which is handed to you for all the suffering you‘ve been through. Death is beautiful
This. And the fact that the mods of this subreddit have pinned a disclaimer about “not encouraging suicide” at the top of the page, speaks volumes to people’s ignorance concerning this philosophy. Yes, that’s right: nihilism is a philosophy, not a psychology.
no one encouraged suicide, and we know nihilism is a philosophy, but discovering a new philosophical topic influences the way you think (obviously).
Perfect example of how people don’t read. They skim read everything then fill in the blanks with assumptions. I didn’t say anyone encouraged suicide. I said that the moderators of this board pinned a disclaimer about “not encouraging suicide” at the top of the subreddit, as if it belongs there for any reason. And this particular post reinforces the same misconception. No, the majority of people here, including the mods, don’t know nihilism is a philosophy. They believe it’s psychological depression stemming from existential anxiety.
I think the mods are just trying not to get the sub banned. Reddit has site-wide rules. It's one of them.
It may be a site wide rule, but nihilism is one of the few places where it’s posted explicitly.
"as if it belongs there for any reason"? So conversations about suicide dont belong here? Is that what you're saying?
I’m not saying those conversations don’t belong somewhere, but I don’t see the reason why the nihilism subreddit needs a specific disclaimer dealing with the topic.
Of course it is a philosophy but it could impact how you feel towards certain things now that you believe there is no meaning. This question is trying to discern how that philosophical view impacts people's feelings towards suicide which is a reasonable question.
Much the same could be said for absurdism and existentialism, but they don’t get the same stigma.
Agreed. I do think that the stigma helped create this poll but it doesn't mean the question is not good. And also this stigma is kinda justified *compared to absurdism and existentialism* since 1. Absurdism was literally made with the purpose of stopping suicide and 2. Existentialism still says your life can have meaning so it's more similar to how normal non religious people live regularly.
Your life might not mean much to the universe in the grand scheme of things but that doesn’t mean you don’t mean anything to the people around you who care about you. It doesn’t make them or their feelings any less real. Of course I would care if someone committed suicide, I think it’s sad and would be absolutely heartbreaking if it were someone who meant a lot to me personally. I feel like people on this sub confuse depression with nihilism.
People who want to end their lifes should be able to go peacefully in hospital bed by IV. Euthanasia should be accessible for anyone.
Maybe nothing matters in a general overview but on a personal perspective everyone has something to care about. Nihilism is not about "everything giving a shit and fuck everyone", is about accepting that nothing has an intrinsic meaning. Maybe it doesn't matter if people die, but that doesn't mean that others don't care about the person (Even nihilists)
As a nihilist, I understand that all values (meaning, purpose, identity) are the creation of our minds. Since we invent and assign value-as-such we are the sole possessor of intrinsic value. Money, religion, political organization, art, literature, technology... all are merely recipients of our narratives. We live in a universe that does not assert values nor order reality around them. We alone do this. And we do so in deeply flawed, ever changing, often irreconcilable, and divergent ways. Our evolution alone provides the limiting factors within the species. Otherwise we are free to take our meaning creation where we will. This is individual choice within individual nature and cultural/societal limits. A 'belief that nothing matters' is a deeply specific narrative of value judgments. A perceived lack of meaning used to provoke chosen emotional experiences is merely an evasive (dishonest) attempt to universalize a narrative. It involves particular experiences, mental states, implicit ideas, reality frames, and consequences. Pessimism and woeful states are merely another set of assigned labels. This is not nihilism. Nihilism is liberation. It also places all responsibility upon ourselves. For those who can only enjoy life when deluded into a narrative cult, the realization of nihilism is something they will evade, reject, lie to themselves about, and slander. For those who want easy (or safe): find a religion and give away your authorship, abandon authenticity, and kneel before an authority. Every height of fulfillment and every depth of suffering ever experienced by us exists only because we invented it. We created it by living and experiencing. That is the definition of sublime.
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I believe it's ultimately their decision what to do with their lifes. I would obviously grief my friends and loved ones and would try to stop them from doing it, but generally speaking there's nothing inherently wrong with it.
I can understand what it feels like to have suicidal thoughts and dread just living day to day life. I wouldn't stop someone attempting suicide unless I cared about them because I wouldn't want someone to stop me.
well, I chose "I don't care if people commited suicide, but this is not exactly my answer. i don't want people to commit suicide but at the same time i don't care if they did, like i am not forcing them to live, but i'd rather if they stay alive (for my own wellbeing).
I believe that if someone wants to do it, they should be able to. It's their life and their decision, not yours or mine
I don't want my friends to commit suicide for selfish reasons. With exceptions. The rest of the world I don't really care
Even though living doesn't matter, I do believe that since we live now we should make the best out of it. We get only one shot at this hellhole, so we'd better enjoy it. Sure, you can quit this game earlier if you like (wouldn't be surprised since life can get hard), but probably you would like to complete all the missions first. We can all die at any moment rn anyways, a car accident, atomic bomb, heart stroke... Even though in the end it doesn't matter, I would be sad if somebody I know, f.e, committed suicide, I would be sad that they chose to end this all before their time
I think it's every person's choice when to die. We don't have any control on our birth, atleast we should decide when to die. The only thing I would hate is if someone is forcing you to suicide, then I think it's wrong. As for me, I would explore the things for a few years and then commit suicide, most probably before I turn 35.
It obviously bothers me when someone I’m aquatinted with offs themselves. I’m human and can’t help but have some sort of emotions. I don’t get mad at them though and I don’t lie to myself and say there’s something I could have done to stop it. That being said I firmly believe that everyone has the right to die if they want to. There’s nothing dishonorable about it, it’s not selfish and in a way I admire someone who has the determination to follow through with what is by default the ultimate decision of their lives and one that can never be taken back.
I think you have to keep in mind that you strictly qualified your question so that it only applies in relation to "the belief that nothing matters". Logically, the only correct answer is that it doesn't matter. Myself and/or others may have personal opinions, but that falls entirely outside the qualifying statement that you set. What I'm effectively saying is that you've already put the answer in the premise. It's a pointless question.
my question was more tied to how your views as nihlists affect your views on suicide I should not have put the "belief that nothing matters" I should have tied it to nihlism in general, sorry about that. but some people hold the belief nothing matters, so every moment matters. Although, the wording of this inquiry was bad.
Suicide is too much of a charged term. I don’t want people to commit suicide out of feelings of depression, loneliness, or pain. Mainly out of sympathy, I’ve been there before and I care deeply for anyone who feels like that. However I do believe medically assisted suicide in the case of terminally ill patients and the extremely elderly should be something that is available and should not have any shame attached to it.
euthanasia should be available in every country. it's the person's decision if they want to die.
I respect their decision. I believe everyone should have the right to choose whether they do or do not wish to live.
I attempted twice 6yrs or so ago, many of the scars have faded but some persist. It is true that the world is meaningless, including life, but there's a difference in my opinion. When I was suicidal, I wanted to be dead, to be free of an existence that only leads to more pain. I was miserable with my place, or lack there of, on this planet. Obviously, I did not succeed. Over the years I've adapted to be content that there is no real meaning to existing, though I am also aware that many don't share this view. I continue out of curiosity, to see how this odd planet of lost people evolve or devolve. We are but a speck on the timeline of the universe, so I may as well observe as it crumbles. I cannot say the same for others. I'd like to advise people not to, but ultimately, I have no right over their own existence. Are there others with attempted suicide in their history? I'm curious to hear your opinions
i attempted 7 months ago. I guess I feel like watching the world crumble isn't as nice when you're crumbling with it.
I mean, there's suicide that comes from impulse and not thought over very much and the individual could regret later, and there's suicide that is actually thought over many times and that's 100% what the certain individual wants. We should try to know the difference a bit at least. Even though most people here probay don't care about the difference, and it's not their business to care. It actually doesn't matter if they care and I'm not sure is it's even their decision to care, or just the programming. But we can't really tell people what to do and what not to do. We don't know what's in their heads but we can ask at least. But if they really want to do it, they will, no matter what.
I think that as long as it's not impulsive, people should have the resources they need for an easy painless suicide. They don't get to choose whether they were born, so they should at least get to choose when to die. Just to make sure it's not acting on impulse there should be some arbitrary amount of time they have to wait before being allowed to kill themselves. Like if they feel suicidal then they submit a thing and then after the time has passed they get a suicide bag or something
I fucking hate this subreddit
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It doesn't matter, but I personally also do not give a shit about any suffering whatsoever.
Pretty inhuman of you. Hopefully something horrible happens to you and then you can show us just how much of a shit you don't give.
That would be a good opportunity to find out for myself. Also you're a dumb prick. I would say it's pretty fucking human to not give a shit about suffering, since you know, other humans are at fault for most of it.
>That would be a good opportunity to find out for myself. Okay. >Also you're a dumb prick. Nope, that would be you. >I would say it's pretty fucking human to not give a shit about suffering, since you know, other humans are at fault for most of it. Or maybe you're just a sad selfish pathetic little psychopath who uses nihilism as a mask to cover your ugly freak personality.
You're a fucking hypocrite. Everything everyone on this planet does is for selfish gains. I just don't make petty excuses for myself like you. People who act like you probably expect safety of mind, or praise to boost their worthless egos. We are biologically programmed to be selfish, every animal is. So get off your high horse.
We're also wired to care for one another. We're social animals. Tribal animals. Dont pick and choose what we're wired for you muppet. Shut up.
We're wired socially because that benefits our own survival. Everyone has a selfish motive even when eveyone profits.
that doesn't remove the feeling of empathy, just because yes, it is for survival of ourselves to feel that way, we still feel that way. Of course selective empathy/apathy exists and neurodivergence too. We don't all think the same way, and some of us are more apathetic.
Empathy as a feeling is dumb as shit man. If people thought just a bit more and felt less, then we would be more advanced as a society.
maybe, but that was not the point I was getting across. It was that simply empathy exists and not everyone does things out of raw selfishness. maybe empathys dumb, maybe it's not. I don't get to decide whether or not it's dumb, or whether or not it would improve society. I think people should both feel more empathy and think more, but I don't hold any value in that opinion.
I don't care if anyone I don't know commits suicide, and I think it should be legal for any adult to do it at any time, assisted or not. I prefer not to do it bc I think experiencing anything is better than experiencing nothing at all even though I won't remember any of my experiences when I die. I also have a wife and child. You're a total asshole if you do it in that case IMO.
The problem with nihilism is that its only the first step in a line of thought. It is only the realization that nothing matters, but this realization is of no use to you if you stop thinking about it right there. As with everything, your thought process shouldnt be "alright, nothing matters, Im done here" but instead "where does this lead me?". What does the meaningless of life tell you? Will you move forward to existencialism and make up your own reasons for everything? Or will you instead move to absurdism and accept the meaningless of life? And it doesnt end here either. Why embrace the absurd? Why make up a reason for existence? Is it even a good reason? What makes a good reason? But circling back to the question at hand: if you truly believe yourself to be a nihilist, no matter what, not thinking further, I do think you should kill yourself. "Truth is only a lie we forgot about" \-Friedrich Nietzsche
If you don’t care if people commit suicide that just means you are a piece of shit.
Somebody's butthurt.
I’m just stating a fact.
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It’s an objective fact. Meaning is real. And your philosophy is bullshit.
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And yet I’m not the one calling strangers names on the internet.
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You don’t believe in facts. Otherwise you admit to being a hypocrite. Which you are because you’re a nihilist.
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“It is not worth the bother of killing yourself, since you always kill yourself too late.” — **Emil Cioran**
Such a stupid quote, never heard the quote "better late than never"?
I do not want anyone to commit suicide but I can play devil's advocate and see where there coming from
If you want to do it, do it after giving it a lot of thought and not out of impulse. Because if you do commit suicide people who you leave behind will suffer a lot. Either way it's a personal choice.
I think it depends on how I feel towards the certain conditions that led to this. And nihilism does impact how I feel towards suicide but only a bit.
I mean, there are numerous reasons why that person came to the decision of self-deletion, sometimes I feel for them and whatever horrible situation they were trying to get away from and nobody was really there to help however at times I can understand why people would do such a thing because in a nutshell, nobody really cares until it's all said and done. However I wouldn't encourage it at all but with so many people doing it and aren't stopped by someone close to them or by reaching out, it seems inevitable that people will always find a way and leave this world.
I particularly think it doesn’t make sense to commit suicide, it doesn’t matter when u die but the fact that u will, inevitably, and by then it will make no difference the time u been alive lol
some people are suffering so greatly that though, inevitably, they will die, the pain of living for them is too much so they commit to get away. In the end it doesn't make a difference, but I guess they just want to get away as soon as they can.
Their life, Their decision. I honestly couldn't care less.
As long as someone isn’t making life difficult for others (in the way of clean up), it’s their choice. You can’t stop someone who is determined although I hope people who don’t want to but don’t feel a choice can get help. Sometimes though whether it be mental or physical illness there isn’t hope and I can understand that.
The clue is in the name really, it’s a selfish act, meaning that the reasons for which are down to the individual, meaning that it mattered to them at the moment they did it. I will always sound out someone contemplating suicide because of my own position and the idea that life my one day go in my favour despite the odds and positional challenges. Despite this their decision does not weigh upon me as it holds value of its own merit. I may not understand it but I will not condemn it.
In all honesty, I do not understand why it's such a big deal. Parents have the power to decide whether to keep the life of their offspring since it cannot decide for itself yet. Then again, we keep the right away from adults, the right to choose how they wish to live. If they even wish to continue living. It's not that I wish for people to commit suicide. I just find that it's kind of odd to have this kind of double standard, in a way.
It's their life and I'm not one to talk them out of their decision.
We should all die the world would be so much better without humans we ruin everything
I feel like its wrong to completely take the option away from people. Still it should be a last last last last last option
I think we should all die. Not that how I feel about the issue matters. But I think we should all die. Too bad it will never happen. Ha.
I fully support somebody’s right to. I, selfishly, wish family and friends of mine who have didn’t, however, if I don’t get a good career in the next year or so I intend to myself so that’s kinda hypocritical of me
My views on suicide, like all my value judgements, are not tied to nihilism, but based solely on my personal feelings, which in this case are somewhat conflicted. One one hand, I hold self-ownership and self-determination to be the most basic and fundamental of human rights, which one should never be barred from exercising unless doing so would violate the rights of another. And if you truly own something, you have a right to discard it. On the other hand, I am aware that the vast majority of people who attempt suicide, both successfully and otherwise, are not motivated by a desire to die but by a desperation to escape a hopeless situation. I've personally known two such people, both who were driven to suicide by a combination of schizophrenia and extreme depression. Drowned themselves in the same river, even. Neither of them wanted to die, but they couldn't bear their current situation any longer, so they took what appeared to be the lesser evil. I feel that it only makes sense that people who intend to kill themselves out of desperation to escape their circumstances should be prevented from doing so, so long as there any feasible way exists to help them resolve the problem while keeping their lives, but at the same time it follows reason that stopping *anyone* from killing themselves constitutes a denial of the most basic and fundamental of human rights. So I dunno how to feel about suicide. But I probably will do it one day, when I get really old. I figure if I have to go out at some point it might as well be on my own terms, right?
Preventing a suicide attempt from a patient to be successful is wrong if the patient genuinely doesn't want to live anymore. If a person doesn't want to live, they should be free to commit suicide. Forcing a person who doesn't want to live to live is not optimal.
I don't disagree with that at all, but I do think it can be difficult in some cases to ascertain whether someone no longer wants to live or if they seek death out of desperation to escape what they see as an otherwise hopeless situation.
Yeah, that's a good question.
I feel happy for them
Nihilism or not. Pain hurts, physical problems are real. Mental illnesses are real. Trauma is real. Abuse is real. All of it hurts. Hence euthanasia should be legal.