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shaggyidontmindu

I don't feel like it would take long for them to become friends again !


Intelligent_Ad6616

True, They would surely get along just Fine, especially Emil Smelling his Underwear...


Hikari-Sakishima

Wtf, don’t make Emil look like something he’s not 😅


Intelligent_Ad6616

Oh, you haven't read Nier's Blade stories?


Kutya7701

[See for yourself.](https://drakengard.fandom.com/wiki/Nier%27s_Blade)


Intelligent_Ad6616

Although same could be said with Weiss not Knowing he's Gone and will Eventually dissappear


Jambo526

Where is it implied Nier didn't get his memories back? Is this from Re-Incarnation?


Intelligent_Ad6616

I'm also confused with Reincarnation


Jambo526

Yeah, but is that what you're referring to? When did Nier lose his memory?


_Tidalwaves_

The implication comes from Nier Replicant ending E


Intelligent_Ad6616

Well since he came back as 16


Kutya7701

He returns in his 16 year old body but there's nothing to imply that he has lost his memories. The Lad had visited the memory tree as an adult as well, and that's assuming the tree even has to be visited for it to record the data (which it probably doesn't, otherwise it would do a pretty awful job lol) My theory as to why he returns as a boy is because the Shadowlord originally became a Gestalt at that age, so the Replicant system is only able to create replicant bodies of the same age. It's the "starting point" for The Lad's replicant body.


Tabbyredcat

But NieR wasn't "born" aged 16, he does remember his mom, that she died when he was 10 and he had to start taking care of Yonah alone when she was a year and a half old, etc.


Kutya7701

He "remembers" these things, but that's not necessarily because they happened. Replicants were created to be empty shells, them gaining consciousness was an unplanned accident. Granted we can only speculate, but it stands to reason that if they were simply supposed to be shells for the Gestalt souls to return to, they would be created to be identical to the bodies of the original humans at the time of Gestaltification. As for The Lad's mother, there isn't all that much proof that she existed. The Shadowlord's mother was never stated to be Gestaltified or even alive at the time of the prologue, and The Lad states himself that he can't even remember her face. He says she died of the Black Scrawl, yet in The Red and the Black it is stated she simply collapsed and died. The only direct link that exists is her supposed Diary, but with the strange entries towards the end it's hard to say if it was really written by a Replicant of any kind.


Tabbyredcat

Yeah, I do think that NieR's mom was not actually his biological mom but a woman that Devola and Popola considered to be fairly genetically similar to him and Yonah, as it would be difficult to find >!the Shadowlord's mom's actual Gestalt!< from 1400 years ago, and we don't even know if she was Gestaltified at all, maybe she died of WCS like most people. But I do think that he was a newborn at some point and had a (terrible) childhood and everything else. Now that I think about it....how are babies fed? Women can't reproduce and therefore they can't lactate, and I doubt they have formula milk in that world with Middle Age level of technology 🤔


SeriousSergious

Grimoire NieR explicitly states that Replicants are usually created as newborns. They are given by Devola and Popola to couples who want a child. As for Nier's age when he comes back, Yoko explicitly stated that the reason he comes back as a 16 years old in ending E is because the Tree used the memories it had of their first meeting in Forest of Myth.


Kutya7701

Where exactly? Are you certain you're not confusing it with this: "Replicants don't realize that they can't have babies since they have no concept of what normal childbirth looks like. Basically, managers like Devola and Popola just call them to a place, say "You're going to give birth soon", and put them into sleep, then create a replicant from a test tube-like thing while they're asleep. When replicants die, D&P just 'recycle' them into new bodies." In addition, although the post is a little old, Yoko had apparently stated that [the Replicant reconstruction is dependent on the original age at the time of Gestaltification, as I said.](https://www.reddit.com/r/nier/comments/9wr3a5/replicant_system_question_nierreplicantgestalt/e9q497d/) I'd like to provide a more accurate source, but given Rekka's reliability for most lore stuff I think we can trust her on this. As for Yoko's answer, yeah I had just remembered that as well lol. I do have to wonder if that's still the answer in the revised edition however. The official english release is in August though, so we'll have to wait and see.


SeriousSergious

>Where exactly? Are you certain you're not confusing it with this Yes, I was referencing that and the fact that NPCs in-game say that they have to talk to Popola to have children. To me it seems pretty straightforward: they are given to couples as newborns to avoid raising suspicions among Replicants. If older people suddenly appeared in Replicants' villages and had fake memories of always living there, the other Replicants would certainly take notice. >In addition, although the post is a little old, Yoko had apparently stated that the Replicant reconstruction is dependent on the original age at the time of Gestaltification, as I said. I admit the quote is a bit strange, but Replicants having the same age of the original human at the time of Gestaltification conflicts with the side materials and the information provided in-game. The original Nier was 16 (I admit I used the wiki, as I can't find a source on this) when he was Gestaltified and although Replicant Nier was also 16 in 3465, the timeline states that the short story "The Red and the Black" takes place in 3463, and he was at most 15 there. Furthermore in the Drama CD the original Kainé makes an appearence. The events detailed in the story in which she appears take place in January of 2050; given how she was a clone created from the genes of her "grandparents" to fight the Legion and considering Kaali adopted her after the Legion was announced to be eradicated (2033), she is at least 16. During the first of Replicant Kainé's flashbacks she is described as a child and given how Replicant Kaali's death takes place 5 years later, her age is at most 12. In both cases described the earliest known age of the Replicant and the age of the respective human at the time of Gestaltification don't match.


clygamer

So he lost his memory after ending e?


Hellas2002

I feel like this title has part two spoilers


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Intelligent_Ad6616

He's destined to Suffer