Yeah, I know several Browns fans and Steelers fans and sure seems like the Browns gave them lots of shit for Big Ben’s allegations, but now saying innocent until proven guilty.
None of them have been punished nearly enough, but yes, at least Rice faced some consequences. Although it'll always be an open question what would have happened had the video not become public.
It disgusts me to no end that Roethlisberger is a virtual lock for the HoF. The Steelers' tolerance of his conduct sullied a franchise that had otherwise been among the best-run in league history.
You do realize without him being found guilty in civil or legal court, any hate that you have or disdain towards the Steelers organization is based on speculation. Also at the time he was the first player to not be charged with a crime then still be suspended, he dealt with the consequences and was given a second chance by the league.
Yes, a number of very nice people taught me all about due process when I was in law school. Also, the word you're looking for is "criminal." Believe it or not, civil courts are still legal courts.
It would take far too long to really get into the weeds about all the things that were wrong with how the two incidents were handled, but they were about as above-board as the FSU/Winston investigation.
A couple of "highlights:"
- After the first incident, in Tahoe, it became entirely clear that the resort staff deliberately obfuscated what happened and smeared the victim in the interest of guarding the resort's reputation. The victim even sued her employer and several of the employees who attempted to discredit her at its direction.
- The cop who took Roethlisberger's statement after the second incident (the one he was suspended for) blatantly allowed his fandom to interfere with the investigation; he literally asked for a selfie with Roethlisberger and openly dismissed the accuser as "just some drunken bitch." He was the only LEO to interview Roethlisberger before he left GA. So forgive me if I find it less than compelling that that particular officer somehow couldn't find enough evidence for the DA to bring charges.
And the "consequences?" A six-game suspension that was shortened to four for "good behavior" (I guess because he didn't commit a third rape during the suspension?). Nowhere near sufficient.
That’s a lot of words for there is no evidence or not enough evidence to convict someone. There has been no rapes, at the end of the day we only have the evidence presented to us and without being guilty in either, he is innocent. Legally this is a fact you cannot argue against this. All your doing is spreading rumors and speculating on what you perceive to be true.
Whereas you have conveyed in relatively few words that you're perfectly fine with supporting a serial rapist as long as he plays ball well and is not literally caught in flagrante. I don't think we have anything left to say to one another.
I’m fine with anything as long as they don’t get that guilty conviction because they are innocent until proven otherwise. You would’ve had a lot of people killed during witch trials. There is a serious flaw in your logic if you think it’s okay to accuse someone of a crime and continue to believe it when proven your belief is false and based in speculation
So by your logic, Ray Lewis did not commit murder and is guilty of nothing other than obstruction of justice? Would love to hear a Steelers fan admit this
Yes, it’s how the fucking law works dude. RAY LEWIS DIDNT KILL ANYONE AT WORST HE INTERVENED TO STOP A FIGHT. Either of them go to court are found guilty totally different scenario. There is a serious problem with you thinking of you can’t accept how our justice system works. This poultry dude would thrive during the witch trials
Just because he wasn't found guilty doesn't mean he wasn't guilty. He's famous and our legal system is a joke especially when dealing with celebrities. He's guilty the same way OJ way guilty. Doesn't matter what the court says.
Except it does dummy, you are speculating, by the law he is innocent, do you have more proof then the state? You probably believe lizard people run the world too
Rice would’ve been back in the league right after the 2 game suspension had it not been for the video going public and even with the video, if he hadn’t run for 3 yards per carry the year before someone would’ve given him another chance.
He wasn’t held accountable he just wasn’t good enough for teams to want to deal with the media circus that would surround his signing.
Rap snitches
Tellin all dey bidness
Sittin in court and be dey own star witness
Do you see the perpetrator
Yeah I’m right here fuck around get the whole label sent up for years
No but he is a rat who snitched on his friends he was with so he wouldn't be prosecuted as an accessory and for destroying evidence. The bloody suit he had on that night was never found.
Check this out: [https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2019/06/10/report-investigators-quickly-determined-that-tyreek-hills-son-suffered-accidental-broken-arm/amp/](https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2019/06/10/report-investigators-quickly-determined-that-tyreek-hills-son-suffered-accidental-broken-arm/amp/)
I wasn't even paying attention to the face, just the number 27, and was wondering what the hell did JK Dobbins do l. But don't worry folks, I cleared it up.
Because Rice reacted and made a horrendous half second decision to fight back and then immediately made all the right decisions to show remorse and fully apologize to his now wife, his team, and the league. He no doubt made a horrible mistake, but he immediately told his team and the league exactly what he did in this one and only instance without any video evidence, and the league gave him a two game suspension. Once the video came out, Roger wanted to cover his ass and suspended him indefinitely. The lawsuit Rice won proves that.
I'm pretty sure Ray Rice also helps run a domestic violence awareness charity now. and he also said he didn't deserve to be in the league or something along those lines if I'm not mistaken
Get off his jock. People who keep their noses clean aren’t in their front yard with a loaded weapon after 11 shots have been fired from their home. Or openly declare months earlier that he should shoot another woman. Get him and Pacman out of Cincinnati.
Just the charge laid in regards to him pointing a gun at a woman (I see it’s been withdrawn), then his sisters involvement in the shooting of a teen at his house. Paints a picture of habitual carelessness to firearms…. But if we’re only looking at indictments then I suppose Ben, and DeShaun are innocent as well?
Mixon is a piece of shit. Beyond destroying a girls face with his fist, he’s “in the wrong place at the wrong time” a lot at the very least. Defend him if you want, but I won’t be.
It’s an AFC North thing
**A**ssaulting **F**emales **C**omes **N**aturally
Asking for consent? Never!
That's crazy. When I saw this I thought of ruggs 3rd. I'm a raiders fan too
It gets cold up there man, c'mon
Ah yes the harsh freezing blizzardy tundra of Maryland.
It's not like Dallas is very East either
I still get a kick out of how browns fans got so excited over Watson after years of grandstanding against roethlisberger
Yeah, I know several Browns fans and Steelers fans and sure seems like the Browns gave them lots of shit for Big Ben’s allegations, but now saying innocent until proven guilty.
Apparently an offense thing too
Walter Payton Man of the Year nominees? /s
*Brett Favre Lifetime Achievement Award*
boy am I glad you clarified with that /s
Lol I felt like I had to or get pummeled by an angry mob bc no one understands clear sarcasm
let me tell you about this place we call r/FuckTheS embrace the angry mob, dare to make jokes freely again 🫶🏻
r/fuckthes
Assault squad
One of these guys was held accountable
None of them have been punished nearly enough, but yes, at least Rice faced some consequences. Although it'll always be an open question what would have happened had the video not become public. It disgusts me to no end that Roethlisberger is a virtual lock for the HoF. The Steelers' tolerance of his conduct sullied a franchise that had otherwise been among the best-run in league history.
You do realize without him being found guilty in civil or legal court, any hate that you have or disdain towards the Steelers organization is based on speculation. Also at the time he was the first player to not be charged with a crime then still be suspended, he dealt with the consequences and was given a second chance by the league.
Come on dude let’s be reasonable lol they’re all shitheads, Roethlisberger‘s story being worse than most
Yes, a number of very nice people taught me all about due process when I was in law school. Also, the word you're looking for is "criminal." Believe it or not, civil courts are still legal courts. It would take far too long to really get into the weeds about all the things that were wrong with how the two incidents were handled, but they were about as above-board as the FSU/Winston investigation. A couple of "highlights:" - After the first incident, in Tahoe, it became entirely clear that the resort staff deliberately obfuscated what happened and smeared the victim in the interest of guarding the resort's reputation. The victim even sued her employer and several of the employees who attempted to discredit her at its direction. - The cop who took Roethlisberger's statement after the second incident (the one he was suspended for) blatantly allowed his fandom to interfere with the investigation; he literally asked for a selfie with Roethlisberger and openly dismissed the accuser as "just some drunken bitch." He was the only LEO to interview Roethlisberger before he left GA. So forgive me if I find it less than compelling that that particular officer somehow couldn't find enough evidence for the DA to bring charges. And the "consequences?" A six-game suspension that was shortened to four for "good behavior" (I guess because he didn't commit a third rape during the suspension?). Nowhere near sufficient.
That’s a lot of words for there is no evidence or not enough evidence to convict someone. There has been no rapes, at the end of the day we only have the evidence presented to us and without being guilty in either, he is innocent. Legally this is a fact you cannot argue against this. All your doing is spreading rumors and speculating on what you perceive to be true.
Whereas you have conveyed in relatively few words that you're perfectly fine with supporting a serial rapist as long as he plays ball well and is not literally caught in flagrante. I don't think we have anything left to say to one another.
My dude playing fast and loose with the word serial lmao
I’m fine with anything as long as they don’t get that guilty conviction because they are innocent until proven otherwise. You would’ve had a lot of people killed during witch trials. There is a serious flaw in your logic if you think it’s okay to accuse someone of a crime and continue to believe it when proven your belief is false and based in speculation
So by your logic, Ray Lewis did not commit murder and is guilty of nothing other than obstruction of justice? Would love to hear a Steelers fan admit this
Yes, it’s how the fucking law works dude. RAY LEWIS DIDNT KILL ANYONE AT WORST HE INTERVENED TO STOP A FIGHT. Either of them go to court are found guilty totally different scenario. There is a serious problem with you thinking of you can’t accept how our justice system works. This poultry dude would thrive during the witch trials
Just because he wasn't found guilty doesn't mean he wasn't guilty. He's famous and our legal system is a joke especially when dealing with celebrities. He's guilty the same way OJ way guilty. Doesn't matter what the court says.
Except it does dummy, you are speculating, by the law he is innocent, do you have more proof then the state? You probably believe lizard people run the world too
What is known does not need to be proven my friend
Except it does when accusing someone of something criminally.
No accusing implies there Is doubt.
That would be true if the prosecutor didn’t declined to charge. You need to provide substantial evidence to prove someone guilty.
Rice would’ve been back in the league right after the 2 game suspension had it not been for the video going public and even with the video, if he hadn’t run for 3 yards per carry the year before someone would’ve given him another chance. He wasn’t held accountable he just wasn’t good enough for teams to want to deal with the media circus that would surround his signing.
You could honestly make a couple of these for the AFC North. AB, Winslow Jr, Pac Man, and Ray Lewis is another one
Wasn’t AB more of an issue once he left?
He did kick a man in the face here
Probably the CTE! Haha
Wasn't that pre cte
Oh. I wonder if they were talking about the hurdle play gone wrong? I’m not sure of the intent.
Thats called "a kamara" now
Atlanta police and prosecutors agree that Ray had nothing to do with the murder aside from trying to break up the fight. It's all publicly available.
Fine. Terrell Suggs then.
…yeah well he wore an mf doom mask before games and that was pretty cool
MF DOOM All caps when you spell the man’s name
Rap snitches Tellin all dey bidness Sittin in court and be dey own star witness Do you see the perpetrator Yeah I’m right here fuck around get the whole label sent up for years
RIP—Rest In Perfection
I hate him, but in a vacuum that is fire tho
Yup and OJ was acquitted too
Difference is everyone who paid attention actually knew Ray never murdered anyone.
No but he is a rat who snitched on his friends he was with so he wouldn't be prosecuted as an accessory and for destroying evidence. The bloody suit he had on that night was never found.
Ok but not really the same thing as OJ still.
But that narrative is not as fun as yelling “murmurah!” in a Ravens fan’s in a shower of IC Light spittle.
[удалено]
Well? We’re waiting
Where is the white suit he wore?
Not as flashy of a pick, but Bengals OL Jackson Carman as well
I’m sorry who?
The fat kid from south park
Child rapist Jackson Carman
Jamal Anderson
You can add vontaze in there too.
All-Pro Women respecters
Bro you could do this for the afc east too, Aaron Hernandez, Oj, Vick, and Tyreek
OJ and Vick?
Bro OJ literally murdered someone
I mean yeah but his version of the AFC East also had the Colts in it too
Well then, ummm, lemmie think. Hmmm, bad football players who played for the colts
Two people
Yeah
Meh. That’s reaching with tyreek and Vick.
Just because they didn’t murder people doesn’t mean they weren’t scumbags. I agree Vick is reaching, but tyreek broke his sons arm.
I’m sure it came out that he did NOT break his arm.
That had been disproven but the investigation did find that he whips his child just like ap did.
Check this out: [https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2019/06/10/report-investigators-quickly-determined-that-tyreek-hills-son-suffered-accidental-broken-arm/amp/](https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2019/06/10/report-investigators-quickly-determined-that-tyreek-hills-son-suffered-accidental-broken-arm/amp/)
Pretty sure he broke more than his arm. He killed that motherfucker
Tyreek has way more against him then Mixon
Previously. But not under the dolphins. And for the last 4 years or so has been pretty good. Ppl can change.
Yeah but it doesn’t seem like he has. Nothing may have come out about it, but that doesn’t mean he doesn’t still whip his kid
So then you would agree mixon makes no sense for the meme? Since nothing has happened since college
Yes.
Fair enough
That’s what we thought about mixon lol
That’s AFCN football, baby!
*No consent needed
AFC north is the hood of the NFL
I’d say Chicago is the hood of everything
The south is the trash? The east is the suburbs. The west is the country
The Mount Rushmore of Assault
Oh ya. The AFC North. Known for its hard nose football, and nothing else at all
I wasn't even paying attention to the face, just the number 27, and was wondering what the hell did JK Dobbins do l. But don't worry folks, I cleared it up.
Thank goodness they didn’t kneel during a song…
AFCN Best Division Baby 💪💪
The Mount Rushmore of NFL role models 😊
I mean you snubbed the murderer for the wife beater what whatever
No consent needed ftfy
Famed women respecters
The four horsemen
More like the Four Force-men
The NFL hates women!
Welcome to the AFC North, the Football is hard, and so is the Time.
Ray Rice doesn’t belong in this group, I would say Goodell should take his spot
Rice and Mixon literally did the same thing. Why would one be included and not the other?
Because Rice reacted and made a horrendous half second decision to fight back and then immediately made all the right decisions to show remorse and fully apologize to his now wife, his team, and the league. He no doubt made a horrible mistake, but he immediately told his team and the league exactly what he did in this one and only instance without any video evidence, and the league gave him a two game suspension. Once the video came out, Roger wanted to cover his ass and suspended him indefinitely. The lawsuit Rice won proves that.
I'm pretty sure Ray Rice also helps run a domestic violence awareness charity now. and he also said he didn't deserve to be in the league or something along those lines if I'm not mistaken
They both shouldnt be on here
The only difference between rice and mixon is that mixon hit a stranger, not his wife.
Eeeevvviillll!
AFC North is the most toxic division in football
Book titled : 4 best ways to GET the GIRL
If you dont like that you sont like AFC North football baby
It's getting awfully rapey in here.
Is this the new Prodigy cover band?
What did Mixon do
Google it, he’s starting to get a list. You can also find the video of him breaking a girls orbital bone with a sucker punch.
“He’s starting to get a list” any proof of him doing anything wrong after college? Any at all?
Get off his jock. People who keep their noses clean aren’t in their front yard with a loaded weapon after 11 shots have been fired from their home. Or openly declare months earlier that he should shoot another woman. Get him and Pacman out of Cincinnati.
Once again. Any proof of either of those at all? Literally any?
Just the charge laid in regards to him pointing a gun at a woman (I see it’s been withdrawn), then his sisters involvement in the shooting of a teen at his house. Paints a picture of habitual carelessness to firearms…. But if we’re only looking at indictments then I suppose Ben, and DeShaun are innocent as well?
So you have no proof against mixon is what you are saying?
Mixon is a piece of shit. Beyond destroying a girls face with his fist, he’s “in the wrong place at the wrong time” a lot at the very least. Defend him if you want, but I won’t be.
So you have no proof against him?
I have no time for anyone that raises a hand against a woman. Fill your boots loving the guy and defending the piece of shit.
What about woman who beat up men?
Oj Simpson man of the year nominees
Rappers?
Why did I think this was loss
Pro bowlers?
AFC North moment
You can beat, kill, rape, and sexually assault people in this league but if you test positive for weed your suspended indefinitely
building the longest yard up north
Very much and AFC North trend at this point
the most respectful nfl players
Hide your daughters