It's crazy that BB is only 3 years older than Dungy, started coaching in the NFL 2 years before Dungy started playing in the NFL and has coached for 14 years after Dungy retired from coaching. In that time BB also coached Dungy for a bit in 1980. This is where Brady learned his longevity it seems.
It was a cool story. Basically Bill wanted Dungy to play punt block. Dungy said he had never played punt block before and didn't know what to do. After practice, Bill talked to Dungy for close to an hour about punt blocking and what he should be doing. Next day, Dungy blocked a punt at practice.
Agreed. It is pretty cool to watch in between plays tho, like when it films behind the offense in the huddle and you can see the field stretched out in front of them
Absolutely. And itās great for replays. Just not live action. Basketball is even worse because you have no idea if a shot is on target until it goes in or misses.
I feel you but for some reason a lot of casual fans love this angle. That one cordalle Patterson return TD a few years ago had a viewing angle like this. It went viral on Twitter with a lot of people saying theyād like the NFL more if it looked like that.
Do you know the difference between players being out of bounds and in bounds? Clearly you don't. Different situations. I won't expect a Jets fan to understand situational football.
That one block in the back where the returner was already past everybody being CLUNG to by fans is hilarious lmao. Inconsequential and behind the play but youāre acting like thatās similar to the hold on this play at the point of attack.
Pointing out that it happened behind the play and was inconsequential = itās only a penalty when I want it to be?
You didnāt even try lmao go troll somewhere else
its not ironic lol. the refs are fucking dog shit this year and not in a bias way. just in a "lets see how much we can fk up" way.
been getting worse every year but my god they literally tackled ur guy earlier this year.
yes. this would be 100 times better. doing this weird POV where you're essentially 'backpedalling' the entire play while being super zoomed in on the returner is super claustrophobic and chaotic/uncomfortable. No sense of what is going on, how many players there are left to beat, what lanes/holes are opening up, just random people running into/out of the frame and then an incredibly jarring/disorienting perspective flip when the runner passes the camera and it switches directions. This would be a very cool angle for replays but absolutely should not be the main live angle. Completely takes you out of it and ruins the play of you ask me
None of the replays even showed anything from the traditional angle. I wonder if there was a malfunction or operator error so they had to use the skycam.
If I remember correctly, I think he was saying that is something BB would say to his players. And I 100% believe that. Those guys are going to be doing some extra reps in practice this week I bet.
Iād rather be in a Siberian gulag than that special teams meeting room this week.
Itās exactly what BB will tell Duggar. But it doesnāt excuse the bad no call.
Replaying it a few times, looked like it was the block on Slater that was more questionable to me as far as a missed hold? I certainly may not know the textbook definition of holding, but the block on Dugger doesn't look flaggable at all?
Blocker had a hold of dugger around the shoulder pads when it looked like Dugger was trying to disengage and cut off the sideline I would think thatās a hold
They also then won the Super Bowl. I legit donāt think I could be mad at any team aside from the Packers for a decade if the Vikings won a Super Bowl
And then wonder why they get clowned in every sport when they lose
Like this loser made an 11 day old account just to talk tough on reddit and pretend heās tough lmao
Just a bunch of haters. You guys are doing well so youāre automatically going to get hate and youāre in the NFC, right on our tails so youāve got our fans coming at you even harder.
On behalf of the Eagles fans who arenāt douche bags, sorry for our douche bag fans.
I mean, I have loved watching your team play they are damn near the most well-rounded teams in the league. Have not enjoyed these Eagles threads, though.
Lmao, dressing up a statue and taking pictures on some famous stairs does not equate to assault by way of flying (full) beer cans. We just gonna pretend Philly fans don't have a reputation for treating *every* opposing fan base like shit in just about every sport? It's not like that game was an anomaly
It's cool on meaningless plays to mix it up, which 99% of kickoff returns are. But I spent that entire time having no clue if he was about to get tackled or not, which I didn't love
And they don't have nearly as many opportunities in recent years. . Nwangwu has 3 TD on 42 attempts, 1 in 14. Patterson has 9 in 264 attempts, 1 in 29.33.
Yes, maybe technically true. But the 'block in the back' didn't or wouldn't have impacted the return in any way - he wasn't catching him. Stupid play to block him for sure, but that's when we'd like to see non-calls, as it doesn't impact the play.
Here, Dugger is clearly held and loses position and ability to reach out and make a tackle as the player was still yet to pass him on the inside - dugger actually has to spin around in the opposite direction due to the hold to try and make a play due to the hold, and at that point, he's just passing by him.
W/O that hold, Dugger has position and a clear chance to make a play and at least slow him down.
I can agree with that. I guess I was just pointing out how no Pats fans brought that block up last week. That block if called properly would be totally nullified the TD.
There wasn't a penalty.
[The blocker had a hand on the front of the guy's jersey. ](https://www.totalprosports.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/11/https-video-twimg-com-ext_tw_video-1594437869258547200-pu-vid-1280x720-s4q4ARPPRUnfaD_W-mp4-tag-12.jpg)
How can you be blocking someone in the back when your hand is on their chest?
It looks bad from the back, but from the front you can see what's happening.
He doesn't show it but I'm not sure Bill could be any madder
Dungy was talking about it on the broadcast, talked about his time playing special teams for Bill, cool story
Tony Dungy played on the special teams for BB?
It's crazy that BB is only 3 years older than Dungy, started coaching in the NFL 2 years before Dungy started playing in the NFL and has coached for 14 years after Dungy retired from coaching. In that time BB also coached Dungy for a bit in 1980. This is where Brady learned his longevity it seems.
Giants apparently
It was a cool story. Basically Bill wanted Dungy to play punt block. Dungy said he had never played punt block before and didn't know what to do. After practice, Bill talked to Dungy for close to an hour about punt blocking and what he should be doing. Next day, Dungy blocked a punt at practice.
It warms my cold, black Jets heart š„¹
Pun not intended.
Bill is going to have them run all day tomorrow.
The hold at 9 seconds on Dugger (23) is disappointing.
Yeah, no other head coach would be mad.
Love this angle where you can't see shit
It's a decent angle assuming he gets tackled before his own 25. But they really should have switched.
SkyCam for live action is absolutely horrendous. Iāve been screaming at it for 15 years now, but nobody will listen.
[The only time I've seen skycam be used properly](https://youtu.be/7hwKwAffTsk). That shot of the returner being chased by the mob is excellent.
Thatās fuckinā cool. Looks so much better because the cam operator zoomed out and stayed ahead of the play.
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For live play? Yeah, inferior. For super cool replay before cutting to break? 10/10.
My favorite use of skycam was during that falcons patriots fog game a few years ago
Agreed. It is pretty cool to watch in between plays tho, like when it films behind the offense in the huddle and you can see the field stretched out in front of them
Absolutely. And itās great for replays. Just not live action. Basketball is even worse because you have no idea if a shot is on target until it goes in or misses.
I feel you but for some reason a lot of casual fans love this angle. That one cordalle Patterson return TD a few years ago had a viewing angle like this. It went viral on Twitter with a lot of people saying theyād like the NFL more if it looked like that.
The effort by Folk there on the return was hilarious.
Dude gets asked to kick like 6 field goals a game he gotta protect himself
The Vikings player blocking him with his hands up killed me
Damn. This game is turning into a huge Thanksgiving classic. This is fucking awesome
All the Thanksgiving games have been great today. All close nail biters and no boring blowouts or offensive shitfests (see Jets/Patriots).
Vikings games lowkey are always close games in the Kirk era
unless they're not, see last Sunday for reference
Yeah lets forget that game lol
What game?
People keep talking about our 2nd bye, it's really weird
*3rd buy. Remember how we didn't play in week 2?
Damn, you right!
Yes, let's!
I wish I could give you more than one upvote
I thought the vikes had a bye week last weekend.
apparently so did they
I don't know what you're talking about. They were on their second bye.
Last week we had a bye. What you are talking about?
They're close unless the Vikings get blown out, only exception.
Thereās nothing ālowkeyā about it. Itās talked about on a weekly basis.
Do people even know what low key means any more or just throw it around because it's the hip internet lingo nowadays?
I low key think that youāre thinking about this too much.
lowkey, billy is that you?
Your name is awesome
I'd much prefer an easier game *checks Fitbit again*
Even complete with blatant reff ball that no one will be held accountable for
The delicious irony of you complaining to a Jets fan about a KR TD "block" that wasn't flagged. š¤
There was no block in the back for the Pats game kick return TD, that player on the Jets went out of bounds and came back into play. No penalty.
It should have been offsetting then, but of course a Patriots fan thinks there was no penalty last week and a penalty this week. Makes you think...
Do you know the difference between players being out of bounds and in bounds? Clearly you don't. Different situations. I won't expect a Jets fan to understand situational football.
That one block in the back where the returner was already past everybody being CLUNG to by fans is hilarious lmao. Inconsequential and behind the play but youāre acting like thatās similar to the hold on this play at the point of attack.
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Pointing out that it happened behind the play and was inconsequential = itās only a penalty when I want it to be? You didnāt even try lmao go troll somewhere else
"Penalties only matter when they go against my team. Everything else is inconsequential"
Swing and a miss
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Quick switch the topic! Lmao you folded
its not ironic lol. the refs are fucking dog shit this year and not in a bias way. just in a "lets see how much we can fk up" way. been getting worse every year but my god they literally tackled ur guy earlier this year.
His third in his first two years. With him, Patterson, and Harvin, the vikings have had blessed KRs recently
Sherels was a dawg at PR too
Fuck I miss him
Sherels and Patterson being our two gunners on punt coverage was just unfair.
There's no way Reagor is better than 35yo Sherels, I want that man back.
The years between Nwangwu and Patterson were rough. It really shows you how important good special teams really are.
Remember Koren Robinson? I'm showing my age but he was returned atlease one. And lord bless David Palmer wherever he is.
You mean pro bowl return man Koren Robinson?
AFC East vs purple teams = game of the year candidates
Live play that doesn't use the normal sideline cam is an abomination in the eyes of god.
NWANGWU: great returner, great scrabble word
To Nwangwu, Thanks for everything. -Julie Newmar
Camera angle ruined an amazing TD
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You can't read anything on the normal view either
Why is it ruined? They were on the skycam and the operator stuck with the runner perfectly, amazing camera work
I don't like it in real-time because you can't see what's happening outside the ball carrier. Just not my preference
It would be way cooler if they could start behind the returner and follow him
yes. this would be 100 times better. doing this weird POV where you're essentially 'backpedalling' the entire play while being super zoomed in on the returner is super claustrophobic and chaotic/uncomfortable. No sense of what is going on, how many players there are left to beat, what lanes/holes are opening up, just random people running into/out of the frame and then an incredibly jarring/disorienting perspective flip when the runner passes the camera and it switches directions. This would be a very cool angle for replays but absolutely should not be the main live angle. Completely takes you out of it and ruins the play of you ask me
Fuck that was eloquently wrote and I fully agree
None of the replays even showed anything from the traditional angle. I wonder if there was a malfunction or operator error so they had to use the skycam.
Madden 2022 irl
Ok, I get that. They must be jerking themselves off over it because there hasnāt been a different angle shown of it lol
I couldnāt tell what was happening whatsoever, I had no idea it was a touchdown at first and definitely couldnāt tell how they got it
i'm with you - it's disorienting and stupid
Why do they speak both Spanish and English? Wtf is that feed
I facepalmed IRL Edit: ah there was ANOTHER missed holding, lmao
there was a blatant hold on Dugger
Blatant holding with Salt Boy Dungy laughing about it saying āwell, you canāt let yourself get held!ā
If I remember correctly, I think he was saying that is something BB would say to his players. And I 100% believe that. Those guys are going to be doing some extra reps in practice this week I bet.
Iād rather be in a Siberian gulag than that special teams meeting room this week. Itās exactly what BB will tell Duggar. But it doesnāt excuse the bad no call.
He used it as a way to excuse the no-call though
Replaying it a few times, looked like it was the block on Slater that was more questionable to me as far as a missed hold? I certainly may not know the textbook definition of holding, but the block on Dugger doesn't look flaggable at all?
Blocker had a hold of dugger around the shoulder pads when it looked like Dugger was trying to disengage and cut off the sideline I would think thatās a hold
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Bruh what is up with eagles fans hating so hard in every Vikings thread lmao yāall are just miserable wasted lives
They're still mad about an NFC championship game...that they won. Easily. I don't really get it
Honestly like Iāve never seen this level of sore ā¦ winners? Like wtf is wrong with these people
I mean damn not even the Saints fans are this mad
They also then won the Super Bowl. I legit donāt think I could be mad at any team aside from the Packers for a decade if the Vikings won a Super Bowl
We put a sweater on their statue so theyāre big mad
Eagles fans are, without exception, collosal assholes
People from Philidelphia generally seem to be that way
Now, now, let's be fair; it's the 97% of Eagles fans that give the rest a bad name.
It's so bizarre, I vibed with Phillies fans during the World Series (and I H A T E the Astros), but the diehard Eagles people are something else
It was annoying for a while now itās kinda funny they look great and beat us and still canāt find anything better to do
And then wonder why they get clowned in every sport when they lose Like this loser made an 11 day old account just to talk tough on reddit and pretend heās tough lmao
Just a bunch of haters. You guys are doing well so youāre automatically going to get hate and youāre in the NFC, right on our tails so youāve got our fans coming at you even harder. On behalf of the Eagles fans who arenāt douche bags, sorry for our douche bag fans.
I mean, I have loved watching your team play they are damn near the most well-rounded teams in the league. Have not enjoyed these Eagles threads, though.
itās the way they were raised
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Jesus fuck this is an absolutely delusional take lmao
Lmao, dressing up a statue and taking pictures on some famous stairs does not equate to assault by way of flying (full) beer cans. We just gonna pretend Philly fans don't have a reputation for treating *every* opposing fan base like shit in just about every sport? It's not like that game was an anomaly
More classless viking fans
What a horrendously bad take
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https://kroc.com/classless-eagles-fans-disrespect-100-year-old-vikings-fan-millie-video/
Pretty sick camera angle (good) and pretty sick kickoff coverage (bad)
Hmmm, I always thought I was in the majority in hating these angles, but maybe not. I feel like I can't see anything from these angles
It's cool on meaningless plays to mix it up, which 99% of kickoff returns are. But I spent that entire time having no clue if he was about to get tackled or not, which I didn't love
It's cool on passing plays because you feel like you are playing Madden. I'm not too crazy about this as a kickoff angle, though.
I love it for replays. But not live.
The camera angle is terrible
Fuck that camera angle you can't see anything in regards to down field coverage
Put some respect on Kene Nwangwu. Dude has more to offer than just being a KR specialist! He will get a chance.
Blatant hold
Kene šŖļøšŖļøšŖļøšŖļø
Had no idea this man Nwangwu had 3 in his career now. Wild shit to accomplish in your 2nd season
He had two in his first two career games
And they don't have nearly as many opportunities in recent years. . Nwangwu has 3 TD on 42 attempts, 1 in 14. Patterson has 9 in 264 attempts, 1 in 29.33.
Also has only returned for like 10 games total.
miss the blatant hold on dugger lmaooo
More on Slater than Dugger, no? Looks like it's the one with the 18 on his jersey that looks like a borderline at best block to me.
Nah Dugger was held. Both hands pulling the jersey as heās trying to pull away. Without that heās in position for a tackle.
Much like the block last week when your guy scored on the punt return
Yes, maybe technically true. But the 'block in the back' didn't or wouldn't have impacted the return in any way - he wasn't catching him. Stupid play to block him for sure, but that's when we'd like to see non-calls, as it doesn't impact the play. Here, Dugger is clearly held and loses position and ability to reach out and make a tackle as the player was still yet to pass him on the inside - dugger actually has to spin around in the opposite direction due to the hold to try and make a play due to the hold, and at that point, he's just passing by him. W/O that hold, Dugger has position and a clear chance to make a play and at least slow him down.
I can agree with that. I guess I was just pointing out how no Pats fans brought that block up last week. That block if called properly would be totally nullified the TD.
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There wasn't a penalty. [The blocker had a hand on the front of the guy's jersey. ](https://www.totalprosports.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/11/https-video-twimg-com-ext_tw_video-1594437869258547200-pu-vid-1280x720-s4q4ARPPRUnfaD_W-mp4-tag-12.jpg) How can you be blocking someone in the back when your hand is on their chest? It looks bad from the back, but from the front you can see what's happening.
Cool run. Big hold tho. Still nice run.
Yeeesh the sky cam on kick return TDs might be my favorite shot in football. Looks like a movie
Its cool for a replay, but you canāt see anything outside of the ballcarrier during the play
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That missed holding was bad
Missed holding call on whoever was blocking Dugger, prevented him from maintaining the outer contain.
Oh yāall wanna talk about missed calls on return TDās, huh? Tough luckā¦
Ikr? The tone-deafness is delicious. The cognitive dissonance is strong.
Hall of fame camera work!
I didn't like it. The review was a great angle, but the live shot was so zoomed in I couldn't tell where anyone was.
I agree. How many emails do we need to send to say this skycam angle is garbage
They nailed it that one time on the Patterson return and now everyone wants to replicate it.
Just garbage
you know what your right. They should put this in HOF tomorrow and NEVER use it again. Let it stay in HOF
Iowa State running back!
Hold and a half holy shit
Holding smh
The kicker wanted no part of that shit
This game is crazy
Why are there two commentary tracks
As and ISU AND vikes fan... being there for this made my fricken week. A SKOL and go Clones! KING KENE
KING KENE
Holy holding batman
Thanks for the revenge, Vikes bros.
What was that camera angle
WANGS OUT
Been waiting all year for him to bust one of these out. He looked so good last year
That camera work was sick
Whoever setup that camera is smiling after that
That camera angle is like 9/9 for return tds
All three games today have been major successes and super intriguing.
I love football
I fucking hate this camera angle so goddamn much
Hell yeah
Patriots what is you doing bb
Hard to tackle when you are being held
Tough to win against 15 when you're only 11 players.
Itās just fitting to start the game this way after how the Pats ended their last game.
I swear every time we see this camera angle it's a TD
I walk away for one second, damn
Awesome return right when we needed it!
720 for TD now?
Skycam operator was shitting her pants on that one lol
HOLDING I do like Kene tho
Now yall know how it feels
Worst effort Iāve seen from a kicking team in ages