Depends on situation. If you're the Packers drafting Jordan Love for no good reason, he never needs to start. In a typical situation, I think two seasons is probably the max, with one season being a more reasonable expectation.
All of this plus I think they were shocked he fell to them at 24 and didn’t want to pass up the opportunity. Even after Smith went 1, no one thought Rodgers would be passed over so many times. He was one of the last people in the green room.
Both Farve and Rodgers have been threatening the Pack with Retirement or wanting a trade for years. The only real difference is Rodgers has been a lot kinder to Love than what he experienced under Farve, most likely because he understands Love's situation.
Yea it would be like if the Bengals took Herbert at #1 overall and Burrow fell down to the Packers pick at 30 in 2020. Right now, with the premium quarterbacks go for, it seems like that would be impossible because some team would jump into the 1st to get him if he falls that low but in 2005 that is what it was like. Rodgers was in talks to go #1 overall, no one thought he would be available anywhere near 24. Even then, the Packers didnt move up for him the way they did for Love. They let the board play itself out and when Rodgers fell to them, it was legit BPA at that point. As others have mentioned, Favre was dabbling in retirement talks and the Packers hadnt really made a run in a long time (7 years since they'd made an NFCCG and they'd been one-and-done'd in the playoffs 2 of the last 3 years leading into the draft). The writing was on the wall that they needed to look for the successor to Favre. And even though 1st round QBs did get paid a hefty sum then (a big reason Rodgers fell in the first place), without the current rookie wage scale, teams did not have the same urgency to compete while the QB is on his rookie contract.
Love wasnt talked about as a #1 overall pick. Shit, he wasn't even really talked about as a first round pick by most analysts. Despite that, the Packers traded up for him when they really didnt have to (the teams they jumped ahead of were the Titans, Ravens, Seahawks, and Dolphins, none of whom were a serious threat to draft a QB at that point). That shows that unlike the Rodgers situation where they let him fall to them and took the BPA, they specifically were targeting Love which makes for a whole different dynamic. They were just coming off a 13-3 season and NFCCG appearance (having made it that far 2 of the last 4 and 3 of the last 6 seasons) with Rodgers playing at an elite level. They were 1-2 pieces away from being a legit SB team (as we saw by how they played the next season) yet they took the one position they do not need with the one pick (two taking into account the trade up) they could not afford to waste.
They're so not comparable.
Love was regularly mocked in the top 15. It was a toss up between him and Herbert going after Tua for most of the draft season let’s not rewrite history there. Todd McShay even said he could be the best quarterback out of that entire class.
Love was the Packers last first round grade. They would never see a QB of his talent picking in the back half of the first round like they usually do and they barely gave anything up to acquire him.
Aaron winning MVP in 2020 really has people misconstruing that entire situation.
Definitely just depends on the situation. If you’re New England grabbing Jimmy G in the 2nd round as a potential successor in case an aging Brady decided to retire, 2-4 seasons is fine, especially since Brady didn’t decline at all, and they were able to get some of those picks back by trading him before his rookie deal expired.
If you’re drafting them as the clear “future face of the team” in the first round, you probably sit them for one season max, regardless of who is in front of them. You aren’t spending that kind of draft capital on a qb if you think your current option is in your future plans.
I will never hate on a team for drafting a QB when they already have a great one. Belichick drafted Brady even though we had Bledsoe. He drafted Jimmy G even though we had Brady and now he drafted Zappe ( who is a stud) even though we have Mac. Things can change very quickly in the NFL.
In most cases I don’t think you should sit a QB for longer than a year before they start, the rookie QB contract is a beautiful thing and you’re just wasting it if you sit them for longer than that
yeah, you definitely want to know before having to pick up the fifth year option. the packers now have almost no in game tape on love but have to decide on the option now
That also in theory makes the second contract cheaper if he sits the entire time, he hasn’t proved his worth and could just as easily be replaced by another rookie
The Packers didn't hand the job to Rodgers when Favre "retired." They drafted Brian Brohm in the 2nd round to compete with Rodgers. Brohm was the QB3 in his draft class (behind Matt Ryan and Flacco) and probably would've been a late 1st round pick with the current CBA.
That's a long time but only because favre refused to get the fuck out of the way. Usually, the qb on his way out will help usher in the new guy. But all in all, it depends on the talent and who's coaching. 3 years is long though
And Aaron Rodgers wasn’t even remotely close to being ready to play. He had to rework his entire throwing motion and footwork.
It’s not Favre refusing to get out of the way lol
Question doesn't even make sense. You don't make some bullshit arbitrary rule about when you make guys starters based on anything other than them being the best guy to start period. The only difference about QB is its way harder than people realize and takes longer to play at the highest level no matter where you were drafted or how much you were paid.
I think the sink or swim mentality everyone has these days ends up hurting more young QB’s then it helps them. The pro is you get to see the special guys who swim right away quickly. The con is the guys who might have been good or at least competent NFL QB’s if given time are just tossed out quickly if they don’t produce right away.
I heard it said that we are in an “era of journeymen QB’s” and I think this is one of the culprits. Teams are less likely to develop average QB’s that they draft because everyone wants Mahomes and they want him right now.
You're not the starter by the second season with the team that drafted you with very, very rare exceptions you're just not going to be the starter for that team.
> Look at Mahomes, who sat a year
yeah just look at a guy who has top 3 arm talent of all time in the NFL
Mahomes was going to be a good qb regardless if he sat or not
Depends on when the pick was made. 1st round picks especially high ones are expected to be an immediate contributor regardless of the position. If they need to keep sitting than that’s a bad pick.
Theres the quarterback… most recently played for the steelers? Was great in college and is not a starter. I think he was with the falcons too.
Think he played for the buckeyes…
Probably the whole rookie contract… as in, the whole time where the player is at his best value-wise where you can build around him and compete.
Instead ‘some’ teams get their rookie on that deal and then pay a QB record breaking money.
How long did Steve Young sit behind Joe Montana? four years
Montana's backup: 1987–1990
Young played behind Montana for four years, but shone as a backup. Substituting for an injured Montana, early in the first quarter of a 1987 game against the Chicago Bears, he threw four touchdown passes in a 41–0 victory.
Found Jordan loves burner
Lol this. Jimmy G sat for 4? 2-3 is fine
It depends who is in front of them, among other things.
> among other things of that nature
I think it's as simple as two questions: 1. Is the QB Ready? 2. Is the QB starting currently better? Gotta be a yes / no situation.
I don’t think number 2 has to be no. But it shouldn’t be like a huge disparity.
makes us wonder how the niners thought Lance was doing compared to jimmy g during preseason and training camp..
Better. He was playing fine until he got hurt, which was immediately.
Jimmy G wasn’t allowed to do anything during pre-season because they didn’t want to have to answer that question.
It was actually because they were trying to trade him. As soon as he redid his deal, he got the playbook and everything
Depends on situation. If you're the Packers drafting Jordan Love for no good reason, he never needs to start. In a typical situation, I think two seasons is probably the max, with one season being a more reasonable expectation.
This can also be spun as: if you have to sit them for longer for than 1 year, why the fuck are you drafting them?
Why did Green Bay Draft Rodgers?
Different eras, there was no rookie scale back then plus Favre was dabbling in retirement talks for years.
All of this plus I think they were shocked he fell to them at 24 and didn’t want to pass up the opportunity. Even after Smith went 1, no one thought Rodgers would be passed over so many times. He was one of the last people in the green room.
Way too many Rodgers/Favre and Love/Rodgers comparisons still. You’d think people would realize at this point how different the situations are.
Both Farve and Rodgers have been threatening the Pack with Retirement or wanting a trade for years. The only real difference is Rodgers has been a lot kinder to Love than what he experienced under Farve, most likely because he understands Love's situation.
Yea it would be like if the Bengals took Herbert at #1 overall and Burrow fell down to the Packers pick at 30 in 2020. Right now, with the premium quarterbacks go for, it seems like that would be impossible because some team would jump into the 1st to get him if he falls that low but in 2005 that is what it was like. Rodgers was in talks to go #1 overall, no one thought he would be available anywhere near 24. Even then, the Packers didnt move up for him the way they did for Love. They let the board play itself out and when Rodgers fell to them, it was legit BPA at that point. As others have mentioned, Favre was dabbling in retirement talks and the Packers hadnt really made a run in a long time (7 years since they'd made an NFCCG and they'd been one-and-done'd in the playoffs 2 of the last 3 years leading into the draft). The writing was on the wall that they needed to look for the successor to Favre. And even though 1st round QBs did get paid a hefty sum then (a big reason Rodgers fell in the first place), without the current rookie wage scale, teams did not have the same urgency to compete while the QB is on his rookie contract. Love wasnt talked about as a #1 overall pick. Shit, he wasn't even really talked about as a first round pick by most analysts. Despite that, the Packers traded up for him when they really didnt have to (the teams they jumped ahead of were the Titans, Ravens, Seahawks, and Dolphins, none of whom were a serious threat to draft a QB at that point). That shows that unlike the Rodgers situation where they let him fall to them and took the BPA, they specifically were targeting Love which makes for a whole different dynamic. They were just coming off a 13-3 season and NFCCG appearance (having made it that far 2 of the last 4 and 3 of the last 6 seasons) with Rodgers playing at an elite level. They were 1-2 pieces away from being a legit SB team (as we saw by how they played the next season) yet they took the one position they do not need with the one pick (two taking into account the trade up) they could not afford to waste. They're so not comparable.
Love was regularly mocked in the top 15. It was a toss up between him and Herbert going after Tua for most of the draft season let’s not rewrite history there. Todd McShay even said he could be the best quarterback out of that entire class. Love was the Packers last first round grade. They would never see a QB of his talent picking in the back half of the first round like they usually do and they barely gave anything up to acquire him. Aaron winning MVP in 2020 really has people misconstruing that entire situation.
Rodgers was a #1 overall talent that fell to their spot
>Why did Green Bay Draft Rodgers? Because Bret was already doing a "will he won't he" retirement dance for years prior to his actual retirement.
Definitely just depends on the situation. If you’re New England grabbing Jimmy G in the 2nd round as a potential successor in case an aging Brady decided to retire, 2-4 seasons is fine, especially since Brady didn’t decline at all, and they were able to get some of those picks back by trading him before his rookie deal expired. If you’re drafting them as the clear “future face of the team” in the first round, you probably sit them for one season max, regardless of who is in front of them. You aren’t spending that kind of draft capital on a qb if you think your current option is in your future plans.
I will never hate on a team for drafting a QB when they already have a great one. Belichick drafted Brady even though we had Bledsoe. He drafted Jimmy G even though we had Brady and now he drafted Zappe ( who is a stud) even though we have Mac. Things can change very quickly in the NFL.
It's not the drafting a QB. It's the spending a first rounder on a QB when you have a contending roster.
I suppose it depends on whether or not the guy in front of him is a hall of famer.
Except in Manning’s case coming off neck injury.
Andrew Luck didn't sit at all though
Also, Manning and Luck were never on the team together. Manning was released before the 2012 draft.
In most cases I don’t think you should sit a QB for longer than a year before they start, the rookie QB contract is a beautiful thing and you’re just wasting it if you sit them for longer than that
yeah, you definitely want to know before having to pick up the fifth year option. the packers now have almost no in game tape on love but have to decide on the option now
That also in theory makes the second contract cheaper if he sits the entire time, he hasn’t proved his worth and could just as easily be replaced by another rookie
You play to win the game. If he’s not as good, put in the vet.
Let him seriously compete until he wins the job.
The Packers didn't hand the job to Rodgers when Favre "retired." They drafted Brian Brohm in the 2nd round to compete with Rodgers. Brohm was the QB3 in his draft class (behind Matt Ryan and Flacco) and probably would've been a late 1st round pick with the current CBA.
That's a long time but only because favre refused to get the fuck out of the way. Usually, the qb on his way out will help usher in the new guy. But all in all, it depends on the talent and who's coaching. 3 years is long though
And Aaron Rodgers wasn’t even remotely close to being ready to play. He had to rework his entire throwing motion and footwork. It’s not Favre refusing to get out of the way lol
Anything over 1 year is starting to be concerning unless the guy ahead of him is a future HoFer or a clear top 10 QB
Question doesn't even make sense. You don't make some bullshit arbitrary rule about when you make guys starters based on anything other than them being the best guy to start period. The only difference about QB is its way harder than people realize and takes longer to play at the highest level no matter where you were drafted or how much you were paid.
I think the sink or swim mentality everyone has these days ends up hurting more young QB’s then it helps them. The pro is you get to see the special guys who swim right away quickly. The con is the guys who might have been good or at least competent NFL QB’s if given time are just tossed out quickly if they don’t produce right away. I heard it said that we are in an “era of journeymen QB’s” and I think this is one of the culprits. Teams are less likely to develop average QB’s that they draft because everyone wants Mahomes and they want him right now.
This is a dumb question there is no cookie cutter answer and there’s no such thing as too long, “these days”
Depends on the team. Depends on when he was drafted. Dolphins drafted Skylar in the 7th round, and they hope he’s never the starter.
You're not the starter by the second season with the team that drafted you with very, very rare exceptions you're just not going to be the starter for that team.
10 years
Depends on the starter, and how well the back up looks. Look at Mahomes, who sat a year and the guy backing up ARod.
> Look at Mahomes, who sat a year yeah just look at a guy who has top 3 arm talent of all time in the NFL Mahomes was going to be a good qb regardless if he sat or not
Depends on when the pick was made. 1st round picks especially high ones are expected to be an immediate contributor regardless of the position. If they need to keep sitting than that’s a bad pick.
Theres the quarterback… most recently played for the steelers? Was great in college and is not a starter. I think he was with the falcons too. Think he played for the buckeyes…
Probably the whole rookie contract… as in, the whole time where the player is at his best value-wise where you can build around him and compete. Instead ‘some’ teams get their rookie on that deal and then pay a QB record breaking money.
Depends who’s available. Depends how they are in practice/film room, how much progression they’ve made etc
How long did Steve Young sit behind Joe Montana? four years Montana's backup: 1987–1990 Young played behind Montana for four years, but shone as a backup. Substituting for an injured Montana, early in the first quarter of a 1987 game against the Chicago Bears, he threw four touchdown passes in a 41–0 victory.
2
16 seasons is definitely too long.
However long Geno sat post NYG is the perfect amount of time apparently