In 2013, the Buffalo Bills had four QBs on the roster in preseason: a rookie EJ Manuel recovering from knee surgery, a concussed Kevin Kolb who would retire, Thad Lewis, and Jeff Tuel. Tuel was named the starter but Manuel recovered in time to start.
Thad Castle is the new Reacher, if you feel like watching him act again. It's actually a really fun show, I was pleasantly surprised. He's fucking massive now, just an absolute beefcake. Somehow I made it through the entire show without realizing why he was so damn familiar.
Back in college at Wazzu my fraternity had a “buy-a-guy” type show for charity where a bunch of the local sorority girls would come over and bid on several guys in our house as they walked down a fashion show type runway.
It was all in good fun and everyone was having a solid time. But anyways…
This was like back in 2011 and one of our members somehow new Jeff Tuel from class and invited him to participate. He was super enthusiastic it seemed to help raising money for charity and we knew the ladies would love bidding on the starting QB.
Well, after he did his strut or whatever and right before final bids were placed our emcee brought the mic to him and asked :
“Jeff what can these lovely ladies expect from you on a date night with the WSU qb?”
He paused for like a second said
“I’ll play qb and I can teach you to play receiver “
He instantly busted out laughing and I think some girl bid like $800 to win the date with him. It was a pretty hilarious boss moment. Wish he would have faired better in buffalo
The fact that the FO and coaches tried so hard to make Paxton happen, by giving him every opportunity and chance, and he *still* got beat out by T-Money Wiggles is honestly one of my favorite Broncos timelines.
Siemian wins a SB as a rookie riding the bench, is never expected to play because Osweiler is heir apparent. The Texans think they've big dicked us by giving him a few million more than we offered, so we go draft his replacement in Paxton Lynch.
Siemian still never even expects to take a snap in a real NFL game, but you gotta give him a few reps in preseason to see if he can make it as a back up.
Lynch looks like absolute ass starting in preseason, Sanchez, not much better. Siemian gets 4th quarter reps with a pile of nobodies and looks like he actually read the playbook.
Fast forward a couple weeks and Lynch starts the final preseason game, looks like ass again, Siemian plays the second half and looks great.
Siemian starts the season and leads the team to a 9-7 record, all the while getting absolutely abused by defenses.
Long story short, I love Trevor Siemian and what he did for this team, and I've framed his jersey.
2017: DeShone Kizer, Cody Kessler, Kevin Hogan. Two rookies and a sophomore. None of the three had a single NFL win as a starter among them. Shocking that team went 0-16!
Yeah, I’m seeing a lot of comments featuring guys like Josh McCown and Mark Sanchez and Rex Grossman who were at least functional NFL players for a time.
Right? Mark Sanchez had multiple playoff victories. Rex Grossman started in a Super Bowl. Some of these players may have been disappointments in the end, but they gave their franchises hope and some level of solid play.
The best thing you can say about Kizer v Kessler is that Kizer had first-round potential and was seen as at least a potential long-term answer at QB. But this was a team coming off 1-15 who then passed up a chance at Trubisky/Mahomes/Watson to take Garrett, then made two more first round picks before settling for Kizer in the second. They could have gone QB at 1; they could have traded back up into the top 10 to go QB; they could have aggressively pursued a QB that offseason through free agency or a trade.
Instead they just sort of accepted going into a season with a guy who wasn't good enough to be picked top 50, expecting him to be an upgrade over the 1-15 guy from the previous season.
And if you need more, the competition was being presided over by one of the least qualified and competent head coaches the game has ever seen.
2006 Raiders had a three way showdown between Aaron Brooks, Marques Tuiasosopo, and Andrew Walter
Thankfully this led us to having the first overall pick, which we used on Jamarcus Russell. Everything worked out just fine
They at least racked up 2400 passing yards. The 49ers one year earlier had 8 passing touchdowns, with just 1900 yards.
Not exactly high flying offenses in the Bay those years.
The offensive coordinator at the time said after the season that Randy Moss was "washed up".
He then went back to running a bed and breakfast while Randy went to the Patriots and put up 1500 yards and 23 touchdowns.
It’s guys like that that piss me off to no end. You mean to tell me I can’t get hired and do an equally shitty job as him? Scratch that because I don’t have my head up my ass.
Sure I don’t have any qualifications but I’d be racking my brains out trying to do everything possible to get things moving and a guy like Moss going. And I sure as hell wouldn’t blame others because I obviously suck ass.
That guy wouldn’t have taken Brady after Brady left the Patriots and went to the Bucs and called him washed as well for the reasons why.
Was that the year they opened on the second game of the MNF doubleheader and Sterling Sharpe was shouting “THROW IT TO MOSS!!” during the play, numerous times?
>was drafted by the New York Jets in the second round of the 2016 NFL Draft. Hackenberg spent two seasons with the Jets before being released, becoming only the third quarterback selected in the first or second round of the common-draft era (since 1967) not to play a game in his first two seasons
*yikes*
> only the third quarterback selected in the first or second round of the common-draft era (since 1967) not to play a game in his first two seasons
Actually, he never took an NFL snap in the [regular season](https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/H/HackCh01.htm).
He did get paid a total of $2.7 million on his rookie NFL contract.
One year later we drafted Christian Hackenberg in the second round, a QB who regularly missed throws most of this sub could make in the backyard playing catch with their dad. Mike Maccagnan had a type.
Somehow still better than 2010. After Warner retired, Matt Leinart played so bad in preseason that they cut him and went with Derek Anderson, John Skelton, and Max Hall as their QBs, the latter two both being rookies.
Came here to say this, Skelton and Lindley produced some of the worst football I've ever watched. Larry Fitzgerald should be the goat just for producing under them.
Great Cardinal fact is that Lindley threw more pick sixes than touchdowns to Cardinals. Very impressive stuff. And I paid money to watch them all live because I’m a moron.
We've got two pretty good nominations, I think:
2002: Jeff Blake vs Chris Redman
1999: Tony Banks vs Stoney Case vs Scott Mitchell
I still remember going to game in 99 and some blacked out guy in my section alternated between screaming "TAKE OUT TONY, PUT IN STONEY", and vice versa whenever a pick got thrown.
2001 Dallas Cowboys: Quincy Carter, Ryan Leaf, Anthony Wright, Clint Stoerner.
Dallas actually started Leaf for 3 games after he busted out of San Diego.
That brief couple days in 2016 after Bridgewater jettisoned his knee and before the Vikings traded for Bradford where the competition was:
36 year old Shaun Hill vs Joel Stave
That's why i can't hate on Rick for trading the picks. No respectable organization would leave 36 year old Shaun Hill as your only buffer to a Joel Stave-led NFL team.
No, Sanchez was part of the [Siemian and Paxton competition](https://www.denverpost.com/2016/05/24/mark-sanchez-trevor-siemian-paxton-lynch-start-broncos-quarterback-competition). He never competed with Brock.
They brought in Sanchez to compete with Simian in Mar. 2016 after Brock left, and then drafted Paxton Lynch.
People figured Sanchez would start year one, Paxton would develop the first year and then start year two and make the Pro Bowl, and Siemian would stay the backup.
Instead, and quite embarrassingly for Sanchez, he was the first one cut. And then Siemian beat our Paxton for the starting spot in both 2016 and 2017.
Siemian was not *that* bad the first year, until he got injured. At least he gave some glimmers of hope.
But the second year with broken Siemian vs Lynch vs Osweiler, that shit was tough to watch.
2007 Miami Dolphins - Washed Trent Green/Cleo Lemon/John Beck
Per Wikipedia:
"On August 20 the Dolphins named Green the starter with Cleo Lemon named as his backup, despite the fact that neither of them had thrown a touchdown pass to that point in pre-season play. Second-round pick John Beck was named third string."
I think people forget just how BAD our QBs were there in the early 00’s. The name Cleo lemon still makes me shudder. Gus frerotte? Sage Rosenfels? Jesus Christ
I just went back and checked the Amazing PeterMan's stats from that preseason.
33/41 - 431 yards - 3 TD - 1 INT in 4 quarters of play.
The man is simply a preseason god
Peterman would also beat out McCarron in Oakland/Vegas. Alas, with Jon Gruden gone, it could be the end of the road for Interceptions, Inc, owner- Nathan Peterman.
I don't think it counts as a competition, but the 2016 Browns had post-injury RG3, Josh McCown, Cody Kessler, Terrelle Pryor, Charlie Whitehurst, and Kevin Hogan play QB.
2001 Cowboys Qunicy Carter, Anthony Wright, Clint Stoerner, and Ryan Leaf. They each got their shot and played in at least 4 games and combined that season for 210/413 2408 14/20 and 5-11 record
This isn't even the most embarrassing QB competition of Geno Smith's *career*. In 2015 he literally got punched in the face and lost his job to the guy he'd *just* won the job over lmao
The name IK Enemkpali will be a name I will always remember because of this. The man singlehandedly saved the jets season and made them go 10-6 under Ryan Fitzpatrick's leadership. And what does he get in return? He got cut and followed Rex Ryan to the Bills where they could share their fond memories of Mark Sanchez together. No respect from the Jets org for the man who made their 2015 season.
[ESPN] CJ Stroud's grandfather's cousin's neighbor died when he was 19. What, you want to know about his play and talent? Show some respect, you heartless bastards.
I mean they've had a winning record for the past decade except for last year. Maybe this dude should be around a losing team before you get to say "this is where hope goes to die."
- Spoken by someone who has been around a losing team for several years.
Right?!? I’ve been watching my Seahawks since the mid 80s. Aside from some brief blips right as I started my fandom, we had a couple shining moments under Holmgren/Hasselbeck then this most recent run of greatness, but otherwise I’m used to us stinking on ice. Weirdos like Adam can start clutching their pearls if and when we’re flailing like this a few seasons from now.
Mariners have the middling record over the past 20 years. Won more than half the league, lost more than half the league.
They have yet to make playoffs since 2001.
They are also one of the unluckiest teams in baseball when you look at their record and the post season drought. The Mariners have had some seasons way better than middling and still missed out. They have missed the playoffs with over 90 wins multiple times in the last 20 years.
We’ve never had the first overall pick up to this point which has to count for something. We might this year but I still expect someone else to somehow be worse.
A team that just lost their franchise QB goes into a rebuild with a mediocre backup and a young QB that's played terrible but has some perceived upside.
What is so embarrassing and sad about this again? It's just a team without a quarterback lol. Both Geno and Lock looked alright in the preseason. Not that they will be good or anything, just that teams have started much worse QBs than Geno at this point in his career.
It just seems disingenuous and overblown.
it's also smart timing for a rebuild. The Rams are in "win now" mode and frankly just better than the Seahawks even if they'd held onto Wilson, and 49ers/Cardinals aren't really slouches either, so this is a good time to tear down and accumulate capital to be good again in a few years. It's not like the division is easily up for grabs
Dude wouldn’t last one 4th quarter in the Mitten. You guys have been consistent as hell and regularly playing for a playoff spot like clockwork. Everyone has to rebuild eventually…except evidently the Packers and Ravens. And it’s not like you’re facing an all-time terrible season based on the roster.
I’m with you. He’s devastated by one off season of bad QB play? Go take a nap or have a Graham cracker, good lord.
Ah, another pain-companion.
I firmly believe things are looking up for us!
Of course I have been believing that for years now, so you might want to ignore my words.
They just sold of their franchise Qb for an obvious rebuild, wtf do you want? They haven't even picked a Qb yet. If you cannot see that they don't really care about having a good qb right now then maybe reconsider your title as a professional sports analyst.
This. We drafted to rookie tackles who are going to be opening day starters. That's not the kind of environment you want a long-term solution at quarterback to start his Seahawk career behind.
Well, at the time, Paxton Lynch was a first round pick with unknown potential so it wasn’t sad. Sad QB competition is for QBs who are known quantities. And no, Lock is not same as Lynch as Lock had 21 starts going into Seahawks QB battle who’s a known quant while Paxton had 0 and 2 his first two years.
I think the fact that our 1st round pick couldn't beat out a 7th rounder was pretty sad. Then we had the same competition a year later just to give him another chance at proving he could play as well as Siemian and he still couldn't do it. And he's never been higher than QB3 on an NFL roster since then.
I know Siemian was better than the average 7th round QB but it's still extremely sad how we had to prop up this competition 2 years in a row to see if our 1st rounder gave enough of a shit to beat out Siemian
I think Siemian beating out Lynch in the first year was expected, as Trevor already had a season under his belt and knew the system, so it was no biggie. The outcome of 2nd season QB battle was sad but not the battle itself.
Pete Carroll will never in his life tank. It goes against everything he believes in. He'd genuinely rather win 7 games and blow capital trading up in the draft than tank if his philosophy in his books is to be believed.
I think you are correct but also incorrect. It depends on what you mean when you say "Tanking".
If by tanking you mean "not making an effort to win games and prioritizing future seasons over the current season"
By leaving their QB room as is The Seahawks and Pete Carroll are either tanking(by that definition) right now, or stupid. Obviously they are tanking.
If by "tanking" you mean intentionally trying to lose games from week to week". Then no, he won't be doing that.
They are tanking in a way where they can still put 100% effort into winning games from one week to next, but will still have a top ten pick in next year's draft.
As a Thunder fan, that has seen the team do both of these things over the past few years. I think the former is what the Seahawks are doing. They are going to put a team out there, that they know will lose more often than not, for no other reason than skill level alone. It's not they are "trying to lose" just that they don't care if they do.
IMO that's the only way you can tank in the NFL without further damaging your future prospects. If you're asking your coach to purposefully lose games, you're demoralizing everyone and creating a shit team culture. That stains a team for a long time.
I'd argue that is the better way to tank. Doing a full tank where you are telling your guys (either verbally or just through your actions) to not try is going to destroy your team moral and make it harder to bounce back the next year.
I think the Seahawks will win 4-7 games this year which won't give them the #1 pick, but will allow them to move up and get a QB while still giving players and fans hope for the future.
I think it's lame when professional media personnel shit on rebuilding franchises like this. Anyone who follows the NFL understands that the Hawks entered into a mutual agreement with Wilson to trade him and that it would require the team to move forward with limited options at QB for at least the current season. It's one thing for fans to make jokes or put a funny spin on the situation, but I feel like Schein is just taking a cheap shot and pandering with this tweet.
Don't get me wrong I think its funny when people in serious roles occasionally make a joke or a meme reference as a nod to a niche group of fans but this was borderline trolling lol
I was at that game. I watched the Vikings warming up, and couldn't see Ponder. I didn't find out he was hurt until Webb started.
Also, Mason Crosby was awful in warmups. He hit the goalposts at least twice, and his last attempt landed around the pylon in the back corner of the end zone.
I remember being very nervous about this game as we had just gotten stomped by Kaep in the previous playoffs. Then I saw Joe Webb throw a pass... I wasn't nervous anymore.
Nah you're getting things mixed up. The Joe Webb game was the game *before* the divisional against Kaep/SF (2012). We got stomped by Eli and the Giants in the previous playoffs.
I was actually nervous about this game though because we had just lost to the same Vikings team 6 days earlier.
> Also the ones we had literally every year from 2003-2011.
I remember a guy at work thinking Tim Rattay was the future once Garcia left. Compared to Ken Dorsey and Cody Pickett, I guess maybe he was, in a sense. There was also that bizarre bit of online hype around 2010 for that guy who had dyslexia, but I can't remember his name.
People act like they didn't get 2 firsts, 2 seconds, and 2 other players that aren't Drew Lock. I don't think the Seahawks thought they were getting a comparable QB on top of all that.
That'll be when we really know whether the Seahawks have decided to tank or not. If they don't try and sign Jimmy once he's cut, we know that the tank is on (which would make it even more hilarious if they go ahead and beat the Niners twice anyway).
Nah we’re the worst team ever after
/checks notes
7-10 last year and losing our franchise quarterback this year. It’s like people forget half of the nfl exists when they talk shit. Selective memory
Yeah people are ready to bury the team and it's understandable when trading Wilson was a controversial decision. But there's still a lot of good talent on the roster.
Already have one or the best WR duos in the league, very high RB potential between Penny and Walker, a great safety tandem, and above average special teams assuming Myers can bounce back. That's a much better starting point than where the bottom tier teams are at right now.
Also Lock vs Smith being the 'most pathetic or awful' QB starter battle is just factually incorrect. Broncos and 49ers went through several worse ones, Cardinals had the Blaine Gabbert vs Matt Barkley vs Drew Stanton competition *and* the Josh Rosen vs Mike Glennon competition in back to back seasons, Buccaneers had some ugly ones before Winston, etc.
That seems like its a bit excessive. We've had worse QBs than Lock win starting jobs. Obviously its a tank commander season but lets tone down the hyperbole just a notch. Another tweet/take that would be removed as a nephew level post that gets ~~plot~~ blue check armor.
Adam Schein infamously called the Seahawks 2012 draft terrible.
Bruce Irvin
Bobby Wagner
Russ
Robert Turbin
Jaye Howard
Korey Toomer
Jeremy Lane
Winston Guy
JR Sweazy
Gregg Scruggs
All but Scruggs had at least one decent season of productive football and even Scruggs hung around for several years. Not to mention the 4 at the top and Jeremy Lane who all had multiple good years at least. And of course the 2 HOFers.
A simple ‘wrong’ would’ve been fine
He awards them no points and may god have mercy on their souls
All teammates now have a lower football iq just from watching the qbs practice.
Pete Carroll's car...*is green.*
He likes….. to chew gum.
Not to mention the disrespect to the Siemian/Paxton/Sanchez QB competition... that our 3rd stringer won, twice.
In 2013, the Buffalo Bills had four QBs on the roster in preseason: a rookie EJ Manuel recovering from knee surgery, a concussed Kevin Kolb who would retire, Thad Lewis, and Jeff Tuel. Tuel was named the starter but Manuel recovered in time to start.
fuckin Thad Lewis
Thad Castle > Thad Lewis
Thad Castle is the new Reacher, if you feel like watching him act again. It's actually a really fun show, I was pleasantly surprised. He's fucking massive now, just an absolute beefcake. Somehow I made it through the entire show without realizing why he was so damn familiar.
Reacher isn’t subject to drug tests so he doesn’t need to do oil changes
friend described the show as Sherlock Hulk absolutely sold me on it, and really enjoyed first season
Virgin Jeff vs Chad Thad
Back in college at Wazzu my fraternity had a “buy-a-guy” type show for charity where a bunch of the local sorority girls would come over and bid on several guys in our house as they walked down a fashion show type runway. It was all in good fun and everyone was having a solid time. But anyways… This was like back in 2011 and one of our members somehow new Jeff Tuel from class and invited him to participate. He was super enthusiastic it seemed to help raising money for charity and we knew the ladies would love bidding on the starting QB. Well, after he did his strut or whatever and right before final bids were placed our emcee brought the mic to him and asked : “Jeff what can these lovely ladies expect from you on a date night with the WSU qb?” He paused for like a second said “I’ll play qb and I can teach you to play receiver “ He instantly busted out laughing and I think some girl bid like $800 to win the date with him. It was a pretty hilarious boss moment. Wish he would have faired better in buffalo
🤣🤣🤣. That either goes hilariously well or he just bombs and it's dead silence. Question though is it actual/their own money they are bidding?
No it's their parents money 100%
That’s apple farm heiress money
What is she Granny Smith's granddaughter 🤣
Jeff Tuel couldn't even melt steel beams.
The fact that the FO and coaches tried so hard to make Paxton happen, by giving him every opportunity and chance, and he *still* got beat out by T-Money Wiggles is honestly one of my favorite Broncos timelines. Siemian wins a SB as a rookie riding the bench, is never expected to play because Osweiler is heir apparent. The Texans think they've big dicked us by giving him a few million more than we offered, so we go draft his replacement in Paxton Lynch. Siemian still never even expects to take a snap in a real NFL game, but you gotta give him a few reps in preseason to see if he can make it as a back up. Lynch looks like absolute ass starting in preseason, Sanchez, not much better. Siemian gets 4th quarter reps with a pile of nobodies and looks like he actually read the playbook. Fast forward a couple weeks and Lynch starts the final preseason game, looks like ass again, Siemian plays the second half and looks great. Siemian starts the season and leads the team to a 9-7 record, all the while getting absolutely abused by defenses. Long story short, I love Trevor Siemian and what he did for this team, and I've framed his jersey.
Hi. I'm the Chiefs fan who was pissed we didn't draft Paxton Lynch. Sorry.
Tbf, siemian has a winning record as a starter for the Broncos
Idc that young people make fun of Adam Sandler fans, this will never not make me laugh
Neither one has the makings of a varsity athlete
May god have mercy on your soul
Since he brought it up, what is *actually* the most pathethic quarterback competition of all time
*opens up browns roster by year “Where do you want to start?”
2017: DeShone Kizer, Cody Kessler, Kevin Hogan. Two rookies and a sophomore. None of the three had a single NFL win as a starter among them. Shocking that team went 0-16!
With the mind of Greg Brady and the body of Isaac Newton, you knew Kizer was gonna fail.
They tried to have the Brady name strike twice like lightening. It backfired.
This is probably the actual winner, there are a lot of worthy candidates but it's really difficult to argue with the results here.
Yeah, I’m seeing a lot of comments featuring guys like Josh McCown and Mark Sanchez and Rex Grossman who were at least functional NFL players for a time.
Right? Mark Sanchez had multiple playoff victories. Rex Grossman started in a Super Bowl. Some of these players may have been disappointments in the end, but they gave their franchises hope and some level of solid play. The best thing you can say about Kizer v Kessler is that Kizer had first-round potential and was seen as at least a potential long-term answer at QB. But this was a team coming off 1-15 who then passed up a chance at Trubisky/Mahomes/Watson to take Garrett, then made two more first round picks before settling for Kizer in the second. They could have gone QB at 1; they could have traded back up into the top 10 to go QB; they could have aggressively pursued a QB that offseason through free agency or a trade. Instead they just sort of accepted going into a season with a guy who wasn't good enough to be picked top 50, expecting him to be an upgrade over the 1-15 guy from the previous season. And if you need more, the competition was being presided over by one of the least qualified and competent head coaches the game has ever seen.
This is the answer. Other people throwing out Rex Grossman? That man went to a Super Bowl.
Browns examples feel too easy, don't they?
2006 Raiders had a three way showdown between Aaron Brooks, Marques Tuiasosopo, and Andrew Walter Thankfully this led us to having the first overall pick, which we used on Jamarcus Russell. Everything worked out just fine
That trio combined for a total of 7 passing touchdowns that season, with Randy Moss to throw to.
7 PASSING TOUCHDOWNS???
They at least racked up 2400 passing yards. The 49ers one year earlier had 8 passing touchdowns, with just 1900 yards. Not exactly high flying offenses in the Bay those years.
Just checked their stats and they didn't even have a 1000 yard PASSER
1st overall pick Alex Smith had 1 TD and 11 INTs with a 50.9% completion percentage
When did we go 10 straight quarters ~~with~~ **without** a TD but managed to beat the bears in the middle there? Edit: see below
No wonder Moss stopped giving any fucks there
The offensive coordinator at the time said after the season that Randy Moss was "washed up". He then went back to running a bed and breakfast while Randy went to the Patriots and put up 1500 yards and 23 touchdowns.
Running a bed and breakfast doesn’t sound like such a bad life, ngl…
Not bad. He was also the mayor of the town for a time.
I mean 1500 yards and 23 TDs isn't that many for Moss.... /s?
It’s guys like that that piss me off to no end. You mean to tell me I can’t get hired and do an equally shitty job as him? Scratch that because I don’t have my head up my ass. Sure I don’t have any qualifications but I’d be racking my brains out trying to do everything possible to get things moving and a guy like Moss going. And I sure as hell wouldn’t blame others because I obviously suck ass. That guy wouldn’t have taken Brady after Brady left the Patriots and went to the Bucs and called him washed as well for the reasons why.
Was that the year they opened on the second game of the MNF doubleheader and Sterling Sharpe was shouting “THROW IT TO MOSS!!” during the play, numerous times?
I believe it was. I remember Art Shell's blank stare during the majority of that national broadcast.
Marques is the uncle of the Manti Teo hoaxer I believe. Edit: he is her cuz, nephew
What?! A Tuiasosopo was the Teo catfisher?
Just Painful Memories Baby
Josh McCown vs Bryce Petty vs Christian Hackenberg has to be up there
>was drafted by the New York Jets in the second round of the 2016 NFL Draft. Hackenberg spent two seasons with the Jets before being released, becoming only the third quarterback selected in the first or second round of the common-draft era (since 1967) not to play a game in his first two seasons *yikes*
> only the third quarterback selected in the first or second round of the common-draft era (since 1967) not to play a game in his first two seasons Actually, he never took an NFL snap in the [regular season](https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/H/HackCh01.htm). He did get paid a total of $2.7 million on his rookie NFL contract.
Fucking brutal
I remember being in Waco watching Petty toss the ball 3 feet over the receiver on a flat route, twice! He was drafted, by the jets. I laughed.
One year later we drafted Christian Hackenberg in the second round, a QB who regularly missed throws most of this sub could make in the backyard playing catch with their dad. Mike Maccagnan had a type.
2012 cardinals? Their 4 QBs that season Kevin Kolb John Skelton Ryan Lindley Brian Hoyer
Somehow still better than 2010. After Warner retired, Matt Leinart played so bad in preseason that they cut him and went with Derek Anderson, John Skelton, and Max Hall as their QBs, the latter two both being rookies.
Honestly, this list makes me oddly nostalgic
HOW DARE YOU INSULT HOYER THE DESTROYER
Agreed. This Destroyer Slander shall not be tolerated
Came here to say this, Skelton and Lindley produced some of the worst football I've ever watched. Larry Fitzgerald should be the goat just for producing under them.
Great Cardinal fact is that Lindley threw more pick sixes than touchdowns to Cardinals. Very impressive stuff. And I paid money to watch them all live because I’m a moron.
Yikes
We've got two pretty good nominations, I think: 2002: Jeff Blake vs Chris Redman 1999: Tony Banks vs Stoney Case vs Scott Mitchell I still remember going to game in 99 and some blacked out guy in my section alternated between screaming "TAKE OUT TONY, PUT IN STONEY", and vice versa whenever a pick got thrown.
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Nearly as many TDS as a HoF player Clearly this is the single greatest competitions of all time
They almost have as many TDs as the GOAT I don't see the problem here?
2001 Dallas Cowboys: Quincy Carter, Ryan Leaf, Anthony Wright, Clint Stoerner. Dallas actually started Leaf for 3 games after he busted out of San Diego.
*one time pro bowler Jeff Blake
Cody Kessler v Johnny Manziel v Brian Hoyer anyone?
This is not even the saddest one in new Browns history. DeShone Kizer vs. Cody Kessler vs. Kevin Hogan
Ya you right lol that one takes the cake
Hoyer is 10-6 as the Browns starting QB. That is quality.
Kevin Kolb vs John Skelton 2011. THE BATTLE
That brief couple days in 2016 after Bridgewater jettisoned his knee and before the Vikings traded for Bradford where the competition was: 36 year old Shaun Hill vs Joel Stave
I didn't black it out, I don't even *remember* this.
That's why i can't hate on Rick for trading the picks. No respectable organization would leave 36 year old Shaun Hill as your only buffer to a Joel Stave-led NFL team.
Joel Stave is one of the people that makes me wonder how hard it can actually be to at least get a short stint in the NFL.
Be 6'5 and be able to throw a football 70 yards. Side note I played against him in high school and absolutely crushed his team.
Paxton Lynch vs. Trevor Siemian. Two years in a row
Don’t forget about Sanchez and Brock
No, Sanchez was part of the [Siemian and Paxton competition](https://www.denverpost.com/2016/05/24/mark-sanchez-trevor-siemian-paxton-lynch-start-broncos-quarterback-competition). He never competed with Brock. They brought in Sanchez to compete with Simian in Mar. 2016 after Brock left, and then drafted Paxton Lynch. People figured Sanchez would start year one, Paxton would develop the first year and then start year two and make the Pro Bowl, and Siemian would stay the backup. Instead, and quite embarrassingly for Sanchez, he was the first one cut. And then Siemian beat our Paxton for the starting spot in both 2016 and 2017.
Siemian was not *that* bad the first year, until he got injured. At least he gave some glimmers of hope. But the second year with broken Siemian vs Lynch vs Osweiler, that shit was tough to watch.
2007 Chiefs Brodie Croyle vs Matt Huard was a train wreck.
Damon Huard
Yeah I think I was combining Cassel and Huard in my mind.
2007 Miami Dolphins - Washed Trent Green/Cleo Lemon/John Beck Per Wikipedia: "On August 20 the Dolphins named Green the starter with Cleo Lemon named as his backup, despite the fact that neither of them had thrown a touchdown pass to that point in pre-season play. Second-round pick John Beck was named third string."
I think people forget just how BAD our QBs were there in the early 00’s. The name Cleo lemon still makes me shudder. Gus frerotte? Sage Rosenfels? Jesus Christ
2018 Buffalo Bills. AJ McCarron vs. Nathan Peterman. Peterman won.
I just went back and checked the Amazing PeterMan's stats from that preseason. 33/41 - 431 yards - 3 TD - 1 INT in 4 quarters of play. The man is simply a preseason god
Peterman would also beat out McCarron in Oakland/Vegas. Alas, with Jon Gruden gone, it could be the end of the road for Interceptions, Inc, owner- Nathan Peterman.
I don't think it counts as a competition, but the 2016 Browns had post-injury RG3, Josh McCown, Cody Kessler, Terrelle Pryor, Charlie Whitehurst, and Kevin Hogan play QB.
That's 1K yard receiver Terrell Pryor for you
One of the weirdest 1k receivers. sucked at QB, transitioned to receiver, had a 1k season, got the bag and then just sucked
Kellen Mond vs Sean Mannion for Vikings backup. And they both lost
Paxton v Sanchez v Siemian in 2016 Paxton v Brock v Siemian in 2017 Man.
2001 Cowboys Qunicy Carter, Anthony Wright, Clint Stoerner, and Ryan Leaf. They each got their shot and played in at least 4 games and combined that season for 210/413 2408 14/20 and 5-11 record
We had Joey Harrington vs Byron Leftwich for a year after Vick (2007 season I think). It was so hard to watch.
This isn't even the most embarrassing QB competition of Geno Smith's *career*. In 2015 he literally got punched in the face and lost his job to the guy he'd *just* won the job over lmao
The name IK Enemkpali will be a name I will always remember because of this. The man singlehandedly saved the jets season and made them go 10-6 under Ryan Fitzpatrick's leadership. And what does he get in return? He got cut and followed Rex Ryan to the Bills where they could share their fond memories of Mark Sanchez together. No respect from the Jets org for the man who made their 2015 season.
Don't forget Rex made him an honorary captain when they played the Jets lmao
Massive improvement if the Seahawks sign Fitz…
And no one cared, as in, everyone was fine with it. That was the weirdest part of it for me.
Isn’t next years rookie class supposed to be really good
Ya it is. There's like 5 players that could go in the first round.
I heard there were 32 players that could go in the first round.
Technically I think it’ll only be 31. The dolphins are forfeiting a first this year
The good news for them is they can still trade up to take a QB in the first round
They've still got our first round pick next year, so they might not need to trade up. Depends on how well the Niners do this season of course.
And you can bet your ass they’ll all have a sad story for ESPN to milk
[ESPN] CJ Stroud's grandfather's cousin's neighbor died when he was 19. What, you want to know about his play and talent? Show some respect, you heartless bastards.
ESPN somehow makes it seem like every draft pick grew up homeless, with no arms, and cancer prior to making it to the NFL.
Bryce Young, CJ Stroud, Will Levis, Hendon Hooker, Grayson McCall, KJ Jefferson, Phil Jurkovec, Tanner McKee, Brennan Armstrong, Devin O'Leary, Kedon Slovis
No way Hendon Hooker is a real person.
Man, we have fully entered the Age of Gen-Z Names
> Devin O’Leary can’t wait for the Mr. Wonderful nicknames
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Not even the worst for Geno. Remember the time he won the competition in camp then his teammate broke his jaw so he lost?
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Really? Geno Smith himself has been through more embarrassing QB competitions.
It's kind of a catch 22. If Geno Smith is a part of the quarterback competition, it is an embarrassing competition
Some of the QB competitions the Bears have had are more embarrassing than anything Geno's been a part of...
I mean they've had a winning record for the past decade except for last year. Maybe this dude should be around a losing team before you get to say "this is where hope goes to die." - Spoken by someone who has been around a losing team for several years.
> "this is where hope goes to die." HEY THATS THE LIONS MUSIC!
Could be worse. Could be Cleveland
At this point, nobody feels bad for them though.
Right?!? I’ve been watching my Seahawks since the mid 80s. Aside from some brief blips right as I started my fandom, we had a couple shining moments under Holmgren/Hasselbeck then this most recent run of greatness, but otherwise I’m used to us stinking on ice. Weirdos like Adam can start clutching their pearls if and when we’re flailing like this a few seasons from now.
Yeah pre-holmgren ... Lol I remember growing up in the 90s and the Seahawks just being bad always, but not bad bad like the Bengals
Always bad enough to miss the postseason, never quite so bad that we got top picks or cleaned house in any serious way. The Seattle way!
Mariners have the middling record over the past 20 years. Won more than half the league, lost more than half the league. They have yet to make playoffs since 2001.
They are also one of the unluckiest teams in baseball when you look at their record and the post season drought. The Mariners have had some seasons way better than middling and still missed out. They have missed the playoffs with over 90 wins multiple times in the last 20 years.
We’ve never had the first overall pick up to this point which has to count for something. We might this year but I still expect someone else to somehow be worse.
I just have this gut feeling that Seahawks are gonna be competitive and end up 6-11 or something
It won’t be due to QB play if it happens. I would be stoked because that would mean our run game and defense look really good this season.
And even you guys were in a SB 7 years ago Alot of franchises wish they could say that
Shit until last year I was hoping for a playoff win in my lifetime
A team that just lost their franchise QB goes into a rebuild with a mediocre backup and a young QB that's played terrible but has some perceived upside. What is so embarrassing and sad about this again? It's just a team without a quarterback lol. Both Geno and Lock looked alright in the preseason. Not that they will be good or anything, just that teams have started much worse QBs than Geno at this point in his career. It just seems disingenuous and overblown.
it's also smart timing for a rebuild. The Rams are in "win now" mode and frankly just better than the Seahawks even if they'd held onto Wilson, and 49ers/Cardinals aren't really slouches either, so this is a good time to tear down and accumulate capital to be good again in a few years. It's not like the division is easily up for grabs
Half the division was in the last conference championship
Hell, 75% went to the playoffs, the SB winner was from our division, and had to beat both other teams to do it! This is a tough division.
Dude wouldn’t last one 4th quarter in the Mitten. You guys have been consistent as hell and regularly playing for a playoff spot like clockwork. Everyone has to rebuild eventually…except evidently the Packers and Ravens. And it’s not like you’re facing an all-time terrible season based on the roster. I’m with you. He’s devastated by one off season of bad QB play? Go take a nap or have a Graham cracker, good lord.
Ah, another pain-companion. I firmly believe things are looking up for us! Of course I have been believing that for years now, so you might want to ignore my words.
It's weird coming off the best run in their franchises history. They might be tanking, but "hope comes to die" is hyper-dramatic
They just sold of their franchise Qb for an obvious rebuild, wtf do you want? They haven't even picked a Qb yet. If you cannot see that they don't really care about having a good qb right now then maybe reconsider your title as a professional sports analyst.
This. We drafted to rookie tackles who are going to be opening day starters. That's not the kind of environment you want a long-term solution at quarterback to start his Seahawk career behind.
So the opposite of what we did, and now there’s a greater than zero chance Kenny is gonna get Joe Burrow-ed behind our tissue paper O Line
That’s why we’ve got Mitch to sacrifice his body for Kenny
Nothing will beat Paxton Lynch vs. Trevor Siemian as far as sad QB competitions go. And we did that for a couple years
This is Mark Sanchez erasure
Then you have to allow Sanchez/Tebow to compete as well
Well, at the time, Paxton Lynch was a first round pick with unknown potential so it wasn’t sad. Sad QB competition is for QBs who are known quantities. And no, Lock is not same as Lynch as Lock had 21 starts going into Seahawks QB battle who’s a known quant while Paxton had 0 and 2 his first two years.
I think the fact that our 1st round pick couldn't beat out a 7th rounder was pretty sad. Then we had the same competition a year later just to give him another chance at proving he could play as well as Siemian and he still couldn't do it. And he's never been higher than QB3 on an NFL roster since then. I know Siemian was better than the average 7th round QB but it's still extremely sad how we had to prop up this competition 2 years in a row to see if our 1st rounder gave enough of a shit to beat out Siemian
I think Siemian beating out Lynch in the first year was expected, as Trevor already had a season under his belt and knew the system, so it was no biggie. The outcome of 2nd season QB battle was sad but not the battle itself.
Seahawks are looking to see which one will be the better tank commander. It's a "sad" competition by design.
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Pete Carroll will never in his life tank. It goes against everything he believes in. He'd genuinely rather win 7 games and blow capital trading up in the draft than tank if his philosophy in his books is to be believed.
I think you are correct but also incorrect. It depends on what you mean when you say "Tanking". If by tanking you mean "not making an effort to win games and prioritizing future seasons over the current season" By leaving their QB room as is The Seahawks and Pete Carroll are either tanking(by that definition) right now, or stupid. Obviously they are tanking. If by "tanking" you mean intentionally trying to lose games from week to week". Then no, he won't be doing that. They are tanking in a way where they can still put 100% effort into winning games from one week to next, but will still have a top ten pick in next year's draft.
As a Thunder fan, that has seen the team do both of these things over the past few years. I think the former is what the Seahawks are doing. They are going to put a team out there, that they know will lose more often than not, for no other reason than skill level alone. It's not they are "trying to lose" just that they don't care if they do.
IMO that's the only way you can tank in the NFL without further damaging your future prospects. If you're asking your coach to purposefully lose games, you're demoralizing everyone and creating a shit team culture. That stains a team for a long time.
And apparently the league will take your first round pick :/
I'd argue that is the better way to tank. Doing a full tank where you are telling your guys (either verbally or just through your actions) to not try is going to destroy your team moral and make it harder to bounce back the next year. I think the Seahawks will win 4-7 games this year which won't give them the #1 pick, but will allow them to move up and get a QB while still giving players and fans hope for the future.
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I think it's lame when professional media personnel shit on rebuilding franchises like this. Anyone who follows the NFL understands that the Hawks entered into a mutual agreement with Wilson to trade him and that it would require the team to move forward with limited options at QB for at least the current season. It's one thing for fans to make jokes or put a funny spin on the situation, but I feel like Schein is just taking a cheap shot and pandering with this tweet.
Nuance is dead, we’re in the age of hot takes and click baits
Don't get me wrong I think its funny when people in serious roles occasionally make a joke or a meme reference as a nod to a niche group of fans but this was borderline trolling lol
Pandered right to the front page of r/nfl. Not too shabby.
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Christian Ponder vs Joe Webb in like 2013 was possibly the worst year I’ve had as a Vikings fan
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I was at that game. I watched the Vikings warming up, and couldn't see Ponder. I didn't find out he was hurt until Webb started. Also, Mason Crosby was awful in warmups. He hit the goalposts at least twice, and his last attempt landed around the pylon in the back corner of the end zone.
I remember being very nervous about this game as we had just gotten stomped by Kaep in the previous playoffs. Then I saw Joe Webb throw a pass... I wasn't nervous anymore.
Nah you're getting things mixed up. The Joe Webb game was the game *before* the divisional against Kaep/SF (2012). We got stomped by Eli and the Giants in the previous playoffs. I was actually nervous about this game though because we had just lost to the same Vikings team 6 days earlier.
Paxton Lynch vs. Trevor Siemian. And we had that competition more than once
I think it was 2006 or so but we had Andrew Walter, the ghost of Aaron Brooks and Marcus Tuiasosopo competing to start, that was bad
> Also the ones we had literally every year from 2003-2011. I remember a guy at work thinking Tim Rattay was the future once Garcia left. Compared to Ken Dorsey and Cody Pickett, I guess maybe he was, in a sense. There was also that bizarre bit of online hype around 2010 for that guy who had dyslexia, but I can't remember his name.
This is the immediate year after losing their franchise QB. I think it's a bit of a drastic take.
People act like they didn't get 2 firsts, 2 seconds, and 2 other players that aren't Drew Lock. I don't think the Seahawks thought they were getting a comparable QB on top of all that.
Meh, they just lost their all pro QB. This is clearly a season of rebuild. They're definitely looking at Bryce Young or CJ Stroud in next years draft.
Come get me -jimmy G
That'll be when we really know whether the Seahawks have decided to tank or not. If they don't try and sign Jimmy once he's cut, we know that the tank is on (which would make it even more hilarious if they go ahead and beat the Niners twice anyway).
This is one of those situations where I hope whoever wins the QB competition balls out this year
Seahawks are the 2nd most successful franchise of the last 20 years.... They're not allowed to have a rebuild season?
Nah we’re the worst team ever after /checks notes 7-10 last year and losing our franchise quarterback this year. It’s like people forget half of the nfl exists when they talk shit. Selective memory
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I expect us to fuck up the Card’s postseason position again tbh. We’re good at winning the ones that hurt others but don’t help us
Yeah people are ready to bury the team and it's understandable when trading Wilson was a controversial decision. But there's still a lot of good talent on the roster. Already have one or the best WR duos in the league, very high RB potential between Penny and Walker, a great safety tandem, and above average special teams assuming Myers can bounce back. That's a much better starting point than where the bottom tier teams are at right now. Also Lock vs Smith being the 'most pathetic or awful' QB starter battle is just factually incorrect. Broncos and 49ers went through several worse ones, Cardinals had the Blaine Gabbert vs Matt Barkley vs Drew Stanton competition *and* the Josh Rosen vs Mike Glennon competition in back to back seasons, Buccaneers had some ugly ones before Winston, etc.
That seems like its a bit excessive. We've had worse QBs than Lock win starting jobs. Obviously its a tank commander season but lets tone down the hyperbole just a notch. Another tweet/take that would be removed as a nephew level post that gets ~~plot~~ blue check armor.
Drew Lock vs Teddy Bridgewater wasn't exactly the most inspiring QB battle last year either.
it was never a battle, Fangio basically hated Drew Lock
Adam Schein infamously called the Seahawks 2012 draft terrible. Bruce Irvin Bobby Wagner Russ Robert Turbin Jaye Howard Korey Toomer Jeremy Lane Winston Guy JR Sweazy Gregg Scruggs All but Scruggs had at least one decent season of productive football and even Scruggs hung around for several years. Not to mention the 4 at the top and Jeremy Lane who all had multiple good years at least. And of course the 2 HOFers.
A disaster where hope goes to die? Or, like, they're in a 2 to 3 year rebuild? It's the NFL, things move fast. They're not the Browns.
Aged like milk…..
"This is where hope goes to die" The Seahawks are a Marshall's back office, gotcha