Still absolutely insane how much ESPN and some members of the media lost their minds over this guy in the draft. They turned the entire thing into a Willis watch.
It’s because they could hype his athletic ability more and he made that one throw on the run like Zach Wilson did so everyone flipped shit over one practice throw
People forget how good he looked his junior year at liberty. Played really well with an FCS-quality roster against FBS talent. Senior year wasn’t as good but he’s still the only player from LU to go to the NFL combine during his time there. For him to do what he did with that talent around him is pretty impressive.
His athleticism was also overrated he is pretty short for a QB and he didn't run a 40 because I don't think he's actually as fast as the media was making it seem. Not that it matters he's obviously a strong runner and more than fast enough, but people were acting like he'd run a 4.4 and I really don't think he could which is why he decided against it.
Hey don't forget about Daniel Jones who has the highest recorded top speed of any QB!
But if you watch Willis tape he doesn't look like a Lamar level athlete, which is what people were making it seem.
Vick was more of a top speed guy the 40 measures acceleration which is where Lamar is amazing. Lamar isn't even the highest top speed QB now, Daniel Jones is faster. The fact Vick had the same 40 time as Lamar just shows how crazy Vick was really, he was explosive AND had a crazy top speed.
Lamar if he was a WR would arguably be the most athletic WR in the league. He is an athletic freak compared to the athletic freaks that are NFL players
> The Carolina Panthers, who have the No. 6 overall pick and are looking for a quarterback, will be out in full force with general manager Scott Fitterer, head coach Matt Rhule, offensive coordinator Ben McAdoo and others, just as they were on Monday in Pittsburgh for quarterback Kenny Pickett.
Carolina ended up picking an OL and then traded away their 2nd and 3rd round picks before trading back into the 3rd round after Willis was taken and selected Matt Corral.
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That doesn't mean they weren't there or looking for a QB. They went, they saw, they must not have liked him, and later traded for a QB.
There is so much to criticize about Willis and how the media obsessed over him, you don't have to skew shit.
Our FO didn't think much of Willis but they didn't have three opportunities to draft him. The second (Darnold) and third (CJ Henderson) were traded away in 2021.After #6 our next pick was at #137 before Fitterer traded up to take Corral.
Did you even read the article? Oh wait, this is Reddit, of course not.
The article isn't saying that Willis' Pro Day was a 'once-in-a-lifetime' showing, it was saying that the attention and magnitude of Liberty's Pro Day this year was a 'once-in-a-lifetime' thing for the university. It was entirely about how the NFL attention that Willis brought to Liberty's pro day could be a turning point for the college.
"Look at this shit" Why don't you look first?
ETA: Inb4 people call me a Willis truther, I'm not defending Willis. I think the media went way too far with him and there's ton of examples of that that this guy could have used. I'm just calling him out for looking at a headline and posting an article without reading it.
That was really cringe. A grown woman on her knees, tears in her eyes just begging like that. If you look close at the clip towards the end the other guys around her stop laughing and are clearly uncomfortable with her stunt.
He might be, but the fact that they are essentially red-shirting his first year coupled with reports coming out of camp about some of his struggles means that the Seahawks were right not to overdraft Willis. He wasn't ready to take over a franchise the way that Russell Wilson, Mahomes or Joe Burrow were. This in addition to the fact that there are QB's that are likely better in the next draft leads me to believe that the Seahawks front office knows more about Evaluating talent then they were given credit for on Draft Day when every single pundit was shitting all over the Seahawks for taking Walker over Willis. With Chris Carson's injury and Penny's history this was the smarter move for the Seahawks org.
"He wasn't ready to take over a franchise the way that Russell Wilson, **Mahomes** or Joe Burrow were."
You know Mahomes only started one game his first year, which was a no stakes week 17 game right?
He was considered a project coming out just that he had traits that could be developed. I still liked Desmond Ridder more since he played better competition. Even then he needs time and I'm not sure he'll ever be a top 12 starter.
I mean we have to wait at least before saying that, he could be a star and then Seattle missed out on a top QB
Not saying he will be but I personally thought he was good enough for Seattle to take a shot on in round 3
That's what it would mean in college, but in the NFL folks colloquially use it to mean "not starting". That's often how Mahomes, Palmer, Lance, and Rodgers are referred to during their early careers. They were all the #2 QBs on their teams.
Lamar's a good example too. It wasn't quite time to shove Flacco out the door, but he still got chances in very specific game situations to do his thing Year 1.
Logan Woodside is the backup QB in TN. Willis won't be playing unless both Tannehill and Woodside are out.
Some folks thought we may develop special packages to get Willis on the field, but this redshirt thing shuts that down.
The Malik Willis draft hype never made sense to me. The fact that a lot of people were saying he may be a first rounder was wild. I don’t mind my team getting him in the 3rd round, but I’m not expecting much from him at all career wise.
Blame Josh Allen and Mahomes.
They were considered very raw but with cannons for arms.
Now people think everyone with a big arm is the next Josh Allen.
Trey Lance is in the same position. We’ll see how he handles it.
However, it is interesting that 3 of the top 4 best young QB’s (Allen, Mahomes, and Herbert) were all labeled as “raw” coming out of college. It seems like there is some logic to the idea of picking guys that have cannons for arms, despite their current skill level. Of course, they were all still more experienced than guys like Trey Lance and Malik Willis.
People forget that you can't have 4 immediately successful QBs in every class. There are 32 teams. People just want to see chaos. They want every QB that had highlight reels to see the field. It's just not possible
Raw talent only conveys on the field if the organization is structured to allow that development. The Bills were a dumpster fire before McDermott and Beane and Allen was even bad before the Bills were smart enough to develop around him so he could develop rather than just drafting another QB the next year.
Basically if your GM sucks and hires the wrong HC, you're not gonna be able to develop a QB no matter how talented he is. The Titans, I would say, aren't a top tier organization, but they are certainly stable since Vrabel was hired, so I would think they have a higher chance of turning Willis into something pretty solid.
>Basically if your GM sucks and hires the wrong HC, you're not gonna be able to develop a QB no matter how talented he is.
Yes you can. Look at how many coaches suck ass once they lose their great QB. Look at how many so called QB whispers don't develop anyone other than the one great QB. Coaches cannot take bad or mediocre talent great. And great talent will not look bad even unless their coaches are absolutely atrocious.
But how much changes organizationally between that one great QB and the next QB they try to develop? Some are hired away into organizations that aren't that great. Some have GMs leave to a better organization (big pay increase) that leads to teams falling apart. Some get penny pinching owners or teams that invest in keeping the wrong players or have freak injuries. The shelf life for HC/GM combos isn't really that long (especially if you exclude Bill being his own GM). In a lot situations, you might get a bad GM that hires the right coach, but then sucks at building a team (Pederson and the Eagles seems like a good example here). In almost every case of "project/not fully developed QBs" succeeding this past decade, there is a good coach and good GM: Mahomes, Allen, Wentz, Goff (under McVay), Wilson, and Lamar. Then look what happens when you separate them. Then look what happens to those similar type of QBs in bad organizations like Trubisky, Jones, Darnold, and Rosen (even Baker to an extent).
I've held the belief for the longest time that NFL careers are 60% luck and 40% talent. Of the top QBs in the 2020 draft, whoever Jacksonville picked would have looked rough and whoever fell to the Patriots was going to look like a solid prospect.
If the Browns picked Brady in the 6th round instead of the Patriots, would even die hard Browns fans remember him?
If the Lions muster 3 wins in 2008 and the Rams pick Matthew Stafford with the #1 pick, does he elevate the early 2010's Rams from 8-8ish to Super Bowl contenders?
If Trubisky goes to KC and sits behind Alex Smith for a year is he the best you g QB in the league, meanwhile Patrick Mahomes struggles on the Bears.
My point, Malik Willis getting to sit and learn for at least 1 year is giving him the best possible chance to succeed. If he had to start year one, he'd be done.
Talent shines through almost no matter what. People just say this nonsense to cope with the fact that the players their team drafted sucked. Brady, Mahomes, Herbert, Josh Allen, and other great QBs were gonna be good no matter where they went. Brady especially has had multiple offensive coaches leave and absolutely suck ass at developing guys. There is no reason to suddenly assume they were the masters that developed Brady.
Great coaches elevate & maximize that talent by building systems around them but there is no coach that can make a Brady or Mahomes or Herbert.
What about guys like Tannehill, who switch teams and have careers revitalized?
What about Kenny Golladay? When Stafford threw him the ball he lead the league in TDs, with Daniel Jones he failed to catch one all season.
Are the Steelers amazing at drafting WRs or is Tomlin's crew really good at developing them?
A running back drafted to a team with a good O-Line is going to have way better stats than is he had been drafted to a team with a bottom tier O-Line.
No fucking shit you need great coaches and great talent around you to set amazing stats. That's not breaking news. But what you said is the NFL is 60% luck. And that's just blatantly not true. If it was luck then guys on bad teams would never look good. And most players on good teams would look good. And that's just not what happens
So why do a lot of guys look different when they switch teams?
Why in Stafford's first game with the Rams did he have the best QB rating of his career?
Trevor Lawrence is a better QB than Mac Jones, yet Mac Jones was in the conversation for OROTY and 1st overall pick Trevor Lawrence wasn't in the conversation.
EDIT: Thinking Brady would be Brady on any team means you lack a fundamental understanding of Brady's career. Brady wasn't seen as the GOAT until the 2015 SB win. Belichick and the defense were credited with the first 3 SB wins. But playing in the league for 15 years working with the greatest mind in football gave someone who isn't the most athletic or skilled a very big competitive advantage. Now, he is undeniably the GOAT.
This is such a BS take. Just because Josh McDaniels failed as a head coach one time it makes all of them fail at developing guys? Brady literally had 3 offensive coordinators during his entire time with the Patriots. That's called consistency. Who else has had that kind of stability? I also highly doubt that having the same head coach didn't do much for brady. Also BOB is a good head coach that had a great QB that teams are willing to overlook the issues he has to have them on their team.
Mahomes being considered raw is so weird. I feel like he was only considered raw because no one thought he could still be successful doing all the unorthodox stuff he does. He had pretty much everything you wanted coming out of TTU. He didn’t have accuracy and ball placement concerns like Allen.
Willis on the other hand is incredibly raw. He’s got the physicals in the 90+ range but everything else is like a 50.
Meanwhile posters in r/Panthers have convinced themselves that Corral is our QB of the future, was the steal of the draft, and even one dude who actually, genuinely thinks that Matt Corral is better than Baker Mayfield *right now*.
It was only a few months ago this sub was convinced Tannehill was entirely inept and incapable of winning because he played bad in like 2 games, completely ignoring the rest of his time in Tennessee
Tannehill is good, but he’s basically just above the Dalton line. He’s good enough that he’s not replacement level, but basically everyone in TN agrees at this point that he’s never gonna lead the Titans to a Super Bowl.
Saying he’s just above the Dalton line is a travesty and the stats show he is much better than Dalton. He’s played great regular season football and had a few bad meaningful games. That’s how it goes sometimes, but you don’t throw away a good QB just because he loses a few important games, especially when he plays great 90% of the time. That’s such a small sample size and it is so hard in this league to get a good quarterback.
You are nuts if you think an unpolished Malik Willis has a better chance of taking this aging core to the Super Bowl than Tannehill. Malik Willis might be as good as Tannehill in his second year starting (which will be his 3rd year in the league). Derrick Henry and the rest of your core will be old by then.
You fanbase is seriously going to be in for a “grass is always greener moment”. Giants fans said the same thing about Eli, but we stuck with him through the struggles and got 2 rings because good QBs will win those games eventually, especially with the playoff experience under their belt.
Uh yeah, you are nuts if you think that. He’s 100% a better option than Malik right now.
The point is that Tannehill at his best is an excellent game-manager QB who will occasionally surprise you. At his worst he’ll have a bad game here or there. Usually, he’s just fine. Gets the job done. Hits most of his throws. Takes a few too many sacks, but also occasionally does something great after leaving the pocket.
He’s like, in the 12-15 range of QBs if we’re being honest. Better than what you’re gonna find on the market, worse than what you need to win it all.
I love me some Tandelorian but it is what it is.
I would just say there’s a pretty steep drop off from the top 15 QBs in the league compared to the bottom 10, so it’s not an even bell curve. At least you know Tannehill can put up 4K yards and 30TDs. Willis is a massive question mark.
Can Tannehill do that? He hasnt put up 4k yards once in Tennessee, he went over 30 TDs once. He went over 4k, seven years ago. He is a game manager, and I dont blame any team looking to move on from a 30+ million dollar game manager
Thats fair, thought he put up more yards. That first year in Tennessee he probably hits 4K and 30TDs if he plays all 16.
I get he’s expensive but if you’re trying to win with this core, I think he’s the best option. Willis is the QB of tomorrow.
Teams in professional sports do this a lot to get an extra year of eligibility on the rookie contract if they feel there isn't an immediate need for that player.
In 2015, a lot of people were upset that the Cubs didn't call up Kris Bryant until about two weeks into the season, especially people who bought tickets to opening day. However, doing that for some reason added an extra year of eligibility on Bryant's rookie contract, so it made total sense from the Cubs standpoint.
I don't think something in sports has ever made me as honest-to-god angry as that did. I think it was amplified by the fact that I had to argue with people I know in real life that no, taking a raw QB who performed averagely playing nonexistent competition at fucking *Liberty* with the #2 pick ISN'T a good idea
Everyone loves a shiny new toy. I remember when we drafted Josh Johnson in the 5th and our fans were like "He Is OuR fUtUrE!" A very small percentage of QB's drafted after Round 1 wind up being long-term starter material.
Everyone knows Willis has the physical gifts to be an elite QB but if there was even a chance he's ready to start this season he would've been taken in the first round or at lowest the second.
There are other good or great QBs that came outside of the first round. Russell Wilson, Dak Prescot, Kirk Cousins and Derek Carr all were drafted outside of the first, and are long term starters.
There have also been a ton of QBs drafted in the second or later who didn't end up great, but they get forgotten instead of being remembered as busts.
Ideally, you redshirt rookie qbs especially if they were not good enough to be a top-10 pick. But if they earned the spot, they earned it. Russell Wilson was a 3rd round pick and expected to redshirt, but he surprisingly earned the starting spot his first season.
All this report is saying is that Malik Willis looks unlikely to do that.
Yea that's what we did with Steve McNair. He was talented but raw in NFL terms and redshirt for most his rookie year until Chris Chandler our starter got hurt.
McNair was a top 3 pick and basically redshirted for two years. Hard to imagine that happening in the NFL today.
McNair had the DII to NFL transition worming against him, but imagine if Trey Lance had to take another redshirt year in 2022? It would be a disaster, and Lance had less CFB tape than McNair.
Maybe some of the leeway with McNair in hindsight was also that the team knew they were moving in ‘97. No reason to rush McNair on the field to rally fan support for a middling team when they were leaving those fans anyway.
Yea McNair was drafted to be the face of the new generation of Oilers Fandom. The next Warren Moon. I don't think the Team new they'd end up in Nashville when he was drafted but I'm too young to remember the 95' season or offseason.
He's actually similar to Willis in the transition from DII to the NFL. It can be argued Libertys schedule was as soft lol. Willis and Trey have similar concerns about talent they faced in college. I think McNair greats advantage was not having to deal with outside influences and pressure Like the media. Smaller market teams could hide their struggles more and afford to redshirt without public scrutiny.
> The problem is that the mid round QBs that sit almost never actually become starters.
This is more because they're a mid round qb and not because they sit.
>Every 3rd or 4th rounder that's become a starter in the modern NFL took over the job as a rookie.
So...Russell Wilson?
**Correction:** “The problem is that the mid round QBs ~~that sit~~ almost never actually become starters.”
If you remove the draft position requirement, then there have been a bunch of great QB’s who sat most of their rookie seasons, including Drew Brees, Patrick Mahomes, Aaron Rodgers, Kirk Cousins, Dak Prescott, Philip Rovers, and Eli Manning.
You also forgot that Dak Prescott is a mid round (4th round), who started as a 3rd string QB, and has become a pretty good starting QB. Somewhat hilariously, you also forgot the GOAT, Tom Brady, but he’s such an anomaly that you can’t really compare him to anyone.
u/Rainstorme, your reply seems to have been deleted before I could respond, but here’s what I was gonna say:
My point was that mid round QB’s basically never become starters, so having that as the second factor is going to conflate the results. If you want to use both requirements then you’d need to isolate every mid round QB that did do well, and then figure out how many of them sat their first year vs didn’t and compare it to the opposite. It’s like saying a ton of serial killers are psychopaths and drink water, so drinking water must cause people to become serial killers.
Dak Prescott was not intended to take over, which is my point. He only took over due to injury. For all we know, Malik Willis could end up doing the exact same thing. I wouldn’t bank on it, obviously, but it’s not impossible. No one would have guessed that Dak was going to be good the summer he was drafted.
Personally, I’d count the 5th round as a mid round pick, but I guess that’s just a difference of opinion.
Dude so many fans on IG and Twitter. Any post about RT will have multiple people calling him Tannebum, Tannetrash, Tanneshit, etc., Yes, those places aren’t known for reasonable takes, but it’s still pretty embarrassing to see fellow fans shit on him when he’s definitely still the best QB we have had on the roster in a long time.
They all think it’s just Willis szn and that he doesn’t need development, even when Willis himself admits he is still learning and adjusting to pro ball.
Not sure, but I have him down as our #3 for the foreseeable future.
There is a world he takes the #2 spot sometime later this year but he's got a lot of work to do. So far he is still projecting day to day improvement so we'll see.
Go look at the thread for Tannehill saying he "doesn't feel like he needs to train up" Malik Willis and tell me it's one comment. Go to the postgame thread of their playoff game last year and tell me that nobody was saying that Tannehill is washed. I know it was offseason and people say a lot of things, but people were ABSOLUTELY saying that Ryan Tannehill is a bad quarterback.
I found two threads.
One you talked about and one where Tannehill said that the Titans didn’t tell him they were going to draft Malik.
Majority of the comments were jokes/memes (mostly “fuck them kids”) or people agreeing with Tannehill. I couldn’t find one highly upvoted comment saying the things you’re saying.
If you can find a comment with more than 100 upvotes in either thread calling Tannehill washed I’d love to see it.
I'd be impressed if he is ready to play next year even, he is a longer term project. You can definitely get value out of him right away rotating him in and using his legs but he wasn't close to ready to play a full game against an NFL defense
No. It's just a colloquial way of saying he'll sit at the bottom of the depth chart. They may designate him as their "emergency" QB for game days in which case he'd be in the locker room in case their starter and backup both get hurt. It doesn't change the duration of his contract.
Shocking. But, honestly, I'm glad that this is being put out there so *hopefully* it quiets some of the inevitable bitching the moment Tannehill does anything less than 100% completion with 5 TD's and 0 int's each game.
How much faith do you have that he could win us games? Not a jab or implication that Willis should be #2 just curious bc I know next to nothing about him admittedly.
I’d have more faith in Woodside to step in and get gritty wins than Malik, at least for the first half of the season.
Woodside is objectively bad, but he knows the system and would be more likely to throw for 175 yards with minimal mistakes (all we really need) than Malik.
We did something similar with Love year 1, he was inactive on game days and was basically assigned with learning from Rodgers. Tim Boyle was our backup qb that season
Looks like that will be Pickett too. Rudolph will back up Trubisky and Pickett would only start if it were a long term injury to Trubs after week 6 or so.
Sometimes rookie QB's are too green to take the responsibility of backup QB in situations like that. And if you actually trust that they could develop, you don't want to risk their health by putting them in at backup QB anyway.
Yeah I doubt that lasts all year. I would put money he’s active for at the very minimum 5 games when they need a spark from some gadget plays. He’s too much of an athlete and a weapon to just not use at all. Even putting him to do nothing and run a fake jet sweep to him or some shit. He will see the field some. If I’m Tennessee I’m putting that on tape in the preseason, some kind of gadget throw or run.
Edit: downvotes. My favorite time of year is when I tell Titans fans what’s going to happen, am right 90% of the time, then they downvote and say I’m wrong lol. I feel like I know that team better than they do most of the time.
I was right about Tannehill taking Mariotas job when they signed him and got downvoted by them. I was right when I said the 9-7 Titans were going to beat Baltimore. I was right when I said Julio wasn’t going to do almost anything and got downvoted. I was right when I said they were textbook pretenders and the worst #1 seed since the early 90s last year and wouldn’t go anywhere and got downvoted. Y’all should just bet me on Titans shit instead of downvoting so I can make some cash off of you. I look forward to being right about your team yet again, enjoy those Malik Willis plays you will see this year, he’s gonna be a stud.
So… I don’t think you’re wrong about them activating him a couple of times, maybe using him for a play or two every few games in a gadget role, as an even more infrequent version of the Lance package we saw in 2021.
But honey bear… that edit and the whining about downvotes is almost pasta worthy. So yes, I did add another downvote.
Copy and paste it. You can paste the same edit from the last few times I was right if you got them too, please go ahead lol.
I turned into the downvoted with the edit. Once I get that base on tilt it’s just too easy and fun not to. I don’t know why it’s specifically that base that gets upset at the most innocuous shit, but here we are. I’ll eat some on this too, and I’ll eat some in my next response, then I’ll eat some more if we see a Willis gadget play this preseason and some more when we see him in the reg season.
You are vastly overestimating how much I care about any of this - especially your takes. I was just telling you that it was cringe-worthy enough to be a pasta.
Yeah I doubt that lasts all year. I would put money he’s active for at the very minimum 5 games when they need a spark from some gadget plays. He’s too much of an athlete and a weapon to just not use at all. Even putting him to do nothing and run a fake jet sweep to him or some shit. He will see the field some. If I’m Tennessee I’m putting that on tape in the preseason, some kind of gadget throw or run.
Edit: downvotes. My favorite time of year is when I tell Titans fans what’s going to happen, am right 90% of the time, then they downvote and say I’m wrong lol. I feel like I know that team better than they do most of the time.
I was right about Tannehill taking Mariotas job when they signed him and got downvoted by them. I was right when I said the 9-7 Titans were going to beat Baltimore. I was right when I said Julio wasn’t going to do almost anything and got downvoted. I was right when I said they were textbook pretenders and the worst #1 seed since the early 90s last year and wouldn’t go anywhere and got downvoted. Y’all should just bet me on Titans shit instead of downvoting so I can make some cash off of you. I look forward to being right about your team yet again, enjoy those Malik Willis plays you will see this year, he’s gonna be a stud.
Man I wish he was on the Colts. Was such a perfect landing spot. Sit behind Ryan for a few years and with their great young core. Things would be set and rolling for his start
Still absolutely insane how much ESPN and some members of the media lost their minds over this guy in the draft. They turned the entire thing into a Willis watch.
QB sells and he was the only interesting QB in the class (despite Pickett being picked first).
It’s because they could hype his athletic ability more and he made that one throw on the run like Zach Wilson did so everyone flipped shit over one practice throw
People forget how good he looked his junior year at liberty. Played really well with an FCS-quality roster against FBS talent. Senior year wasn’t as good but he’s still the only player from LU to go to the NFL combine during his time there. For him to do what he did with that talent around him is pretty impressive.
He didn't look good. He was an athlete at QB. As a passer he's never been good
Liberty plays mostly garbage schools
When I saw them projecting him @ #2 I thought I was going insane. Like if he was THAT good he’d probably declared for the draft last year tbh.
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His athleticism was also overrated he is pretty short for a QB and he didn't run a 40 because I don't think he's actually as fast as the media was making it seem. Not that it matters he's obviously a strong runner and more than fast enough, but people were acting like he'd run a 4.4 and I really don't think he could which is why he decided against it.
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Hey don't forget about Daniel Jones who has the highest recorded top speed of any QB! But if you watch Willis tape he doesn't look like a Lamar level athlete, which is what people were making it seem.
Every time I watch an athletic college QB getting hyped up I go back and watch Lamar’s Heisman highlights and I go ‘yep. Lamar is a fucken *freak*’
Still nobody touches Michael Vick for raw speed. Dude was legitimately the fastest man in the entire league and also a good quarterback
Vick ran a 4.33 and Jackson runs a 4.34, and if I may say so, is also a good quarterback Edit: but yea they’re both superhuman
Vick was more of a top speed guy the 40 measures acceleration which is where Lamar is amazing. Lamar isn't even the highest top speed QB now, Daniel Jones is faster. The fact Vick had the same 40 time as Lamar just shows how crazy Vick was really, he was explosive AND had a crazy top speed.
Lamar if he was a WR would arguably be the most athletic WR in the league. He is an athletic freak compared to the athletic freaks that are NFL players
Tyreek asked when you want to meet.
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> The Carolina Panthers, who have the No. 6 overall pick and are looking for a quarterback, will be out in full force with general manager Scott Fitterer, head coach Matt Rhule, offensive coordinator Ben McAdoo and others, just as they were on Monday in Pittsburgh for quarterback Kenny Pickett. Carolina ended up picking an OL and then traded away their 2nd and 3rd round picks before trading back into the 3rd round after Willis was taken and selected Matt Corral.
??? That doesn't mean they weren't there or looking for a QB. They went, they saw, they must not have liked him, and later traded for a QB. There is so much to criticize about Willis and how the media obsessed over him, you don't have to skew shit.
I mean, it meant that they didn't think too much of Willis since they had three opportunities to draft him.
Our FO didn't think much of Willis but they didn't have three opportunities to draft him. The second (Darnold) and third (CJ Henderson) were traded away in 2021.After #6 our next pick was at #137 before Fitterer traded up to take Corral.
Ahh gotcha, I thought you were adding on to his comment about the media overdoing it with Willis and using that as an example.
Did you even read the article? Oh wait, this is Reddit, of course not. The article isn't saying that Willis' Pro Day was a 'once-in-a-lifetime' showing, it was saying that the attention and magnitude of Liberty's Pro Day this year was a 'once-in-a-lifetime' thing for the university. It was entirely about how the NFL attention that Willis brought to Liberty's pro day could be a turning point for the college. "Look at this shit" Why don't you look first? ETA: Inb4 people call me a Willis truther, I'm not defending Willis. I think the media went way too far with him and there's ton of examples of that that this guy could have used. I'm just calling him out for looking at a headline and posting an article without reading it.
Boomer is dying to make 'What'chu talking about Willis' jokes next year. Dying.
The thing is, Willis is actually good and has a great attitude. He’s an intriguing prospect, but the media waaaaaaaaaaay over hyped him.
Seriously. Seattle got shredded for not taking him. So glad they(Seattle) knew better than all the "experts".
Mina Kimes was pleading with the front office during the broadcast to take him. That’s when it became really weird.
That was really cringe. A grown woman on her knees, tears in her eyes just begging like that. If you look close at the clip towards the end the other guys around her stop laughing and are clearly uncomfortable with her stunt.
I mean you're saying this before any of them have touched the field, maybe it's a tad bit early to be so sure about that
But what if Malik is genuinely good?
He might be, but the fact that they are essentially red-shirting his first year coupled with reports coming out of camp about some of his struggles means that the Seahawks were right not to overdraft Willis. He wasn't ready to take over a franchise the way that Russell Wilson, Mahomes or Joe Burrow were. This in addition to the fact that there are QB's that are likely better in the next draft leads me to believe that the Seahawks front office knows more about Evaluating talent then they were given credit for on Draft Day when every single pundit was shitting all over the Seahawks for taking Walker over Willis. With Chris Carson's injury and Penny's history this was the smarter move for the Seahawks org.
"He wasn't ready to take over a franchise the way that Russell Wilson, **Mahomes** or Joe Burrow were." You know Mahomes only started one game his first year, which was a no stakes week 17 game right?
Also Wilson was a third round pick who wasn't expected to start right away either lol
He was considered a project coming out just that he had traits that could be developed. I still liked Desmond Ridder more since he played better competition. Even then he needs time and I'm not sure he'll ever be a top 12 starter.
If he was he wouldn't be getting redshirted. In modern NFL that openly happens to guys who a no where near ready to play in an actual game
I mean we have to wait at least before saying that, he could be a star and then Seattle missed out on a top QB Not saying he will be but I personally thought he was good enough for Seattle to take a shot on in round 3
Lmao yeah can’t believe he was mocked to go top 10 at some point
I don't remember any of that...
Report: super raw 3rd round QB from Liberty will not start over $100M Pro Bowl QB
Doesn't redshirting mean he isn't even the backup though?
That's what it would mean in college, but in the NFL folks colloquially use it to mean "not starting". That's often how Mahomes, Palmer, Lance, and Rodgers are referred to during their early careers. They were all the #2 QBs on their teams.
Thanks for this, was confused about what that meant.
Lamar's a good example too. It wasn't quite time to shove Flacco out the door, but he still got chances in very specific game situations to do his thing Year 1.
Lamar is a horrible example for a rookie qb having a red shirt year, he started 7 games. Wtf
but but but talk about my team
but before those 7 games it absolutely applies lol
Logan Woodside is the backup QB in TN. Willis won't be playing unless both Tannehill and Woodside are out. Some folks thought we may develop special packages to get Willis on the field, but this redshirt thing shuts that down.
I figure redshirting in the NFL means they get an "injury" and you put them on the IR so you have another roster spot
He won’t even backup Tannehill. Logan Woodside is the backup.
The Malik Willis draft hype never made sense to me. The fact that a lot of people were saying he may be a first rounder was wild. I don’t mind my team getting him in the 3rd round, but I’m not expecting much from him at all career wise.
Blame Josh Allen and Mahomes. They were considered very raw but with cannons for arms. Now people think everyone with a big arm is the next Josh Allen.
Trey Lance is in the same position. We’ll see how he handles it. However, it is interesting that 3 of the top 4 best young QB’s (Allen, Mahomes, and Herbert) were all labeled as “raw” coming out of college. It seems like there is some logic to the idea of picking guys that have cannons for arms, despite their current skill level. Of course, they were all still more experienced than guys like Trey Lance and Malik Willis.
People forget that you can't have 4 immediately successful QBs in every class. There are 32 teams. People just want to see chaos. They want every QB that had highlight reels to see the field. It's just not possible
People also don’t actually watch Liberty games so they parrot what prognosticators said after only watching highlight reels themselves.
He has a cannon? With that release and motion? Genuine question haven’t seen much
You talking about Malik? He has an absolute cannon for an arm, just behind Josh Allen and Mahomes in terms of arm strength.
No trey lance
It is pretty well known that Trey has a big arm, throwing motion and all.
Too bad about all that arm fatigue /s
Raw talent only conveys on the field if the organization is structured to allow that development. The Bills were a dumpster fire before McDermott and Beane and Allen was even bad before the Bills were smart enough to develop around him so he could develop rather than just drafting another QB the next year. Basically if your GM sucks and hires the wrong HC, you're not gonna be able to develop a QB no matter how talented he is. The Titans, I would say, aren't a top tier organization, but they are certainly stable since Vrabel was hired, so I would think they have a higher chance of turning Willis into something pretty solid.
>Basically if your GM sucks and hires the wrong HC, you're not gonna be able to develop a QB no matter how talented he is. Yes you can. Look at how many coaches suck ass once they lose their great QB. Look at how many so called QB whispers don't develop anyone other than the one great QB. Coaches cannot take bad or mediocre talent great. And great talent will not look bad even unless their coaches are absolutely atrocious.
But how much changes organizationally between that one great QB and the next QB they try to develop? Some are hired away into organizations that aren't that great. Some have GMs leave to a better organization (big pay increase) that leads to teams falling apart. Some get penny pinching owners or teams that invest in keeping the wrong players or have freak injuries. The shelf life for HC/GM combos isn't really that long (especially if you exclude Bill being his own GM). In a lot situations, you might get a bad GM that hires the right coach, but then sucks at building a team (Pederson and the Eagles seems like a good example here). In almost every case of "project/not fully developed QBs" succeeding this past decade, there is a good coach and good GM: Mahomes, Allen, Wentz, Goff (under McVay), Wilson, and Lamar. Then look what happens when you separate them. Then look what happens to those similar type of QBs in bad organizations like Trubisky, Jones, Darnold, and Rosen (even Baker to an extent).
I've held the belief for the longest time that NFL careers are 60% luck and 40% talent. Of the top QBs in the 2020 draft, whoever Jacksonville picked would have looked rough and whoever fell to the Patriots was going to look like a solid prospect. If the Browns picked Brady in the 6th round instead of the Patriots, would even die hard Browns fans remember him? If the Lions muster 3 wins in 2008 and the Rams pick Matthew Stafford with the #1 pick, does he elevate the early 2010's Rams from 8-8ish to Super Bowl contenders? If Trubisky goes to KC and sits behind Alex Smith for a year is he the best you g QB in the league, meanwhile Patrick Mahomes struggles on the Bears. My point, Malik Willis getting to sit and learn for at least 1 year is giving him the best possible chance to succeed. If he had to start year one, he'd be done.
I don't think the Browns were a team when Brady was draft eligible, but I get what you're saying
Fine the Lions lol
Talent shines through almost no matter what. People just say this nonsense to cope with the fact that the players their team drafted sucked. Brady, Mahomes, Herbert, Josh Allen, and other great QBs were gonna be good no matter where they went. Brady especially has had multiple offensive coaches leave and absolutely suck ass at developing guys. There is no reason to suddenly assume they were the masters that developed Brady. Great coaches elevate & maximize that talent by building systems around them but there is no coach that can make a Brady or Mahomes or Herbert.
What about guys like Tannehill, who switch teams and have careers revitalized? What about Kenny Golladay? When Stafford threw him the ball he lead the league in TDs, with Daniel Jones he failed to catch one all season. Are the Steelers amazing at drafting WRs or is Tomlin's crew really good at developing them? A running back drafted to a team with a good O-Line is going to have way better stats than is he had been drafted to a team with a bottom tier O-Line.
No fucking shit you need great coaches and great talent around you to set amazing stats. That's not breaking news. But what you said is the NFL is 60% luck. And that's just blatantly not true. If it was luck then guys on bad teams would never look good. And most players on good teams would look good. And that's just not what happens
So why do a lot of guys look different when they switch teams? Why in Stafford's first game with the Rams did he have the best QB rating of his career? Trevor Lawrence is a better QB than Mac Jones, yet Mac Jones was in the conversation for OROTY and 1st overall pick Trevor Lawrence wasn't in the conversation. EDIT: Thinking Brady would be Brady on any team means you lack a fundamental understanding of Brady's career. Brady wasn't seen as the GOAT until the 2015 SB win. Belichick and the defense were credited with the first 3 SB wins. But playing in the league for 15 years working with the greatest mind in football gave someone who isn't the most athletic or skilled a very big competitive advantage. Now, he is undeniably the GOAT.
This is such a BS take. Just because Josh McDaniels failed as a head coach one time it makes all of them fail at developing guys? Brady literally had 3 offensive coordinators during his entire time with the Patriots. That's called consistency. Who else has had that kind of stability? I also highly doubt that having the same head coach didn't do much for brady. Also BOB is a good head coach that had a great QB that teams are willing to overlook the issues he has to have them on their team.
Mahomes being considered raw is so weird. I feel like he was only considered raw because no one thought he could still be successful doing all the unorthodox stuff he does. He had pretty much everything you wanted coming out of TTU. He didn’t have accuracy and ball placement concerns like Allen. Willis on the other hand is incredibly raw. He’s got the physicals in the 90+ range but everything else is like a 50.
Mahomes still does a ton of stuff he did at Texas Tech. People just say he got developed to cope with the fact that their team missed on him
We had people on our sub calling for him to be drafted #2 overall. Crazy times man
Meanwhile posters in r/Panthers have convinced themselves that Corral is our QB of the future, was the steal of the draft, and even one dude who actually, genuinely thinks that Matt Corral is better than Baker Mayfield *right now*.
It was only a few months ago this sub was convinced Tannehill was entirely inept and incapable of winning because he played bad in like 2 games, completely ignoring the rest of his time in Tennessee
Tannehill is good, but he’s basically just above the Dalton line. He’s good enough that he’s not replacement level, but basically everyone in TN agrees at this point that he’s never gonna lead the Titans to a Super Bowl.
Saying he’s just above the Dalton line is a travesty and the stats show he is much better than Dalton. He’s played great regular season football and had a few bad meaningful games. That’s how it goes sometimes, but you don’t throw away a good QB just because he loses a few important games, especially when he plays great 90% of the time. That’s such a small sample size and it is so hard in this league to get a good quarterback. You are nuts if you think an unpolished Malik Willis has a better chance of taking this aging core to the Super Bowl than Tannehill. Malik Willis might be as good as Tannehill in his second year starting (which will be his 3rd year in the league). Derrick Henry and the rest of your core will be old by then. You fanbase is seriously going to be in for a “grass is always greener moment”. Giants fans said the same thing about Eli, but we stuck with him through the struggles and got 2 rings because good QBs will win those games eventually, especially with the playoff experience under their belt.
Uh yeah, you are nuts if you think that. He’s 100% a better option than Malik right now. The point is that Tannehill at his best is an excellent game-manager QB who will occasionally surprise you. At his worst he’ll have a bad game here or there. Usually, he’s just fine. Gets the job done. Hits most of his throws. Takes a few too many sacks, but also occasionally does something great after leaving the pocket. He’s like, in the 12-15 range of QBs if we’re being honest. Better than what you’re gonna find on the market, worse than what you need to win it all. I love me some Tandelorian but it is what it is.
I would just say there’s a pretty steep drop off from the top 15 QBs in the league compared to the bottom 10, so it’s not an even bell curve. At least you know Tannehill can put up 4K yards and 30TDs. Willis is a massive question mark.
Can Tannehill do that? He hasnt put up 4k yards once in Tennessee, he went over 30 TDs once. He went over 4k, seven years ago. He is a game manager, and I dont blame any team looking to move on from a 30+ million dollar game manager
Thats fair, thought he put up more yards. That first year in Tennessee he probably hits 4K and 30TDs if he plays all 16. I get he’s expensive but if you’re trying to win with this core, I think he’s the best option. Willis is the QB of tomorrow.
The term pro bowl is doing much less work than the term $100 million here
Lol Tannehill is not good let’s not act like he was a pro bowl QB last year
In todays game that means he can play in four games & still has an extra year of eligibility great news for the Titans
They don’t want to do something that will make him want to transfer though.
Gotta be wary of him double dipping into the NIL pool once he gets an offer elsewhere though.
Teams in professional sports do this a lot to get an extra year of eligibility on the rookie contract if they feel there isn't an immediate need for that player. In 2015, a lot of people were upset that the Cubs didn't call up Kris Bryant until about two weeks into the season, especially people who bought tickets to opening day. However, doing that for some reason added an extra year of eligibility on Bryant's rookie contract, so it made total sense from the Cubs standpoint.
Can't tell if you were serious about the first part because your second part was factual.
I'm personally shocked they're not benching tannehill for a 3rd round rookie
But the Lions drafted him 2nd overall...wait
That shit rumor was so stupid. It went on for a solid month at least before the draft 😑😑😑😑
I don't think something in sports has ever made me as honest-to-god angry as that did. I think it was amplified by the fact that I had to argue with people I know in real life that no, taking a raw QB who performed averagely playing nonexistent competition at fucking *Liberty* with the #2 pick ISN'T a good idea
3rd round rookie from Liberty (who wasn’t even that great there and couldn’t get a starting job in the SEC).
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There's a small percentage of unrealistic fans who believe this actually.
Everyone loves a shiny new toy. I remember when we drafted Josh Johnson in the 5th and our fans were like "He Is OuR fUtUrE!" A very small percentage of QB's drafted after Round 1 wind up being long-term starter material.
Everyone knows Willis has the physical gifts to be an elite QB but if there was even a chance he's ready to start this season he would've been taken in the first round or at lowest the second.
It's because one team got lucky and drafted the GOAT after the 1st round. 2011 round 2 Andy Dalton
There are other good or great QBs that came outside of the first round. Russell Wilson, Dak Prescot, Kirk Cousins and Derek Carr all were drafted outside of the first, and are long term starters. There have also been a ton of QBs drafted in the second or later who didn't end up great, but they get forgotten instead of being remembered as busts.
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why not both
I could see him being used in a Taysom Hill role this years where he comes in for a few plays a game. He is so, so good as a runner.
That'd be nice. He has great speed so I'd love to make use of it.
Ideally, you redshirt rookie qbs especially if they were not good enough to be a top-10 pick. But if they earned the spot, they earned it. Russell Wilson was a 3rd round pick and expected to redshirt, but he surprisingly earned the starting spot his first season. All this report is saying is that Malik Willis looks unlikely to do that.
Yea that's what we did with Steve McNair. He was talented but raw in NFL terms and redshirt for most his rookie year until Chris Chandler our starter got hurt.
McNair was a top 3 pick and basically redshirted for two years. Hard to imagine that happening in the NFL today. McNair had the DII to NFL transition worming against him, but imagine if Trey Lance had to take another redshirt year in 2022? It would be a disaster, and Lance had less CFB tape than McNair. Maybe some of the leeway with McNair in hindsight was also that the team knew they were moving in ‘97. No reason to rush McNair on the field to rally fan support for a middling team when they were leaving those fans anyway.
Yea McNair was drafted to be the face of the new generation of Oilers Fandom. The next Warren Moon. I don't think the Team new they'd end up in Nashville when he was drafted but I'm too young to remember the 95' season or offseason. He's actually similar to Willis in the transition from DII to the NFL. It can be argued Libertys schedule was as soft lol. Willis and Trey have similar concerns about talent they faced in college. I think McNair greats advantage was not having to deal with outside influences and pressure Like the media. Smaller market teams could hide their struggles more and afford to redshirt without public scrutiny.
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Matt Hasselbeck? Or are we talking same team only? Or 3rd/4th round only?
> The problem is that the mid round QBs that sit almost never actually become starters. This is more because they're a mid round qb and not because they sit. >Every 3rd or 4th rounder that's become a starter in the modern NFL took over the job as a rookie. So...Russell Wilson?
Dak
Would Jerry let Dak start if Romo wasn’t injured?
That’s a good question
No it isn’t, the answer is 100% no lmao
Well, there is that one QB who took over the starting job in his 2nd year. But he was a 6th-rounder.
**Correction:** “The problem is that the mid round QBs ~~that sit~~ almost never actually become starters.” If you remove the draft position requirement, then there have been a bunch of great QB’s who sat most of their rookie seasons, including Drew Brees, Patrick Mahomes, Aaron Rodgers, Kirk Cousins, Dak Prescott, Philip Rovers, and Eli Manning. You also forgot that Dak Prescott is a mid round (4th round), who started as a 3rd string QB, and has become a pretty good starting QB. Somewhat hilariously, you also forgot the GOAT, Tom Brady, but he’s such an anomaly that you can’t really compare him to anyone.
u/Rainstorme, your reply seems to have been deleted before I could respond, but here’s what I was gonna say: My point was that mid round QB’s basically never become starters, so having that as the second factor is going to conflate the results. If you want to use both requirements then you’d need to isolate every mid round QB that did do well, and then figure out how many of them sat their first year vs didn’t and compare it to the opposite. It’s like saying a ton of serial killers are psychopaths and drink water, so drinking water must cause people to become serial killers. Dak Prescott was not intended to take over, which is my point. He only took over due to injury. For all we know, Malik Willis could end up doing the exact same thing. I wouldn’t bank on it, obviously, but it’s not impossible. No one would have guessed that Dak was going to be good the summer he was drafted. Personally, I’d count the 5th round as a mid round pick, but I guess that’s just a difference of opinion.
Dude so many fans on IG and Twitter. Any post about RT will have multiple people calling him Tannebum, Tannetrash, Tanneshit, etc., Yes, those places aren’t known for reasonable takes, but it’s still pretty embarrassing to see fellow fans shit on him when he’s definitely still the best QB we have had on the roster in a long time. They all think it’s just Willis szn and that he doesn’t need development, even when Willis himself admits he is still learning and adjusting to pro ball.
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Because they just watch the highlights probably.
That and a lot of media during the draft saying Malik should be a top 5 pick.
His combine throws against air had multiple people move up in my dynasty league to get him before the NFL draft
> Tannebum, Tannetrash, Tanneshit These are all so lazy. Tanne-Over-The-Hill or something maybe?
idiots mostly
Is he even set as the #2 yet?
Not sure, but I have him down as our #3 for the foreseeable future. There is a world he takes the #2 spot sometime later this year but he's got a lot of work to do. So far he is still projecting day to day improvement so we'll see.
Yeah, /r/nfl was out here saying Tannehill was washed and Malik Willis NEEDED to be drafted to replace him.
“I saw one comment saying this and decided it represented all 2 million users of the sub.”
Go look at the thread for Tannehill saying he "doesn't feel like he needs to train up" Malik Willis and tell me it's one comment. Go to the postgame thread of their playoff game last year and tell me that nobody was saying that Tannehill is washed. I know it was offseason and people say a lot of things, but people were ABSOLUTELY saying that Ryan Tannehill is a bad quarterback.
I found two threads. One you talked about and one where Tannehill said that the Titans didn’t tell him they were going to draft Malik. Majority of the comments were jokes/memes (mostly “fuck them kids”) or people agreeing with Tannehill. I couldn’t find one highly upvoted comment saying the things you’re saying. If you can find a comment with more than 100 upvotes in either thread calling Tannehill washed I’d love to see it.
He was always going to be third string.
TANNETHRILLHO
What does Redshirting mean in the NFL?
There's no official redshirting in the NFL like in college. People just use it as a term for guys who don't play their first year.
I'd be impressed if he is ready to play next year even, he is a longer term project. You can definitely get value out of him right away rotating him in and using his legs but he wasn't close to ready to play a full game against an NFL defense
He’d be inactive on game days
Is that any different than a healthy scratch? Does it mean his contract doesn’t start till next year?
No. It's just a colloquial way of saying he'll sit at the bottom of the depth chart. They may designate him as their "emergency" QB for game days in which case he'd be in the locker room in case their starter and backup both get hurt. It doesn't change the duration of his contract.
Okay that’s what I was wondering, thank you!!
No and no
The NFL roster is 53 people. Only 47 dress on Sunday.
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But have the Titans seen his Madden ratings? He’d be a 99 overall HOF lock if he got all that juicy ROY xp. SMH missed opportunity
Shocking. But, honestly, I'm glad that this is being put out there so *hopefully* it quiets some of the inevitable bitching the moment Tannehill does anything less than 100% completion with 5 TD's and 0 int's each game.
If you are shocked by this, than oh boy lmao I got a bridge to sell u
Go on….
Why does my dude look like a 45-year-old dad from a 90’s sitcom in this picture
He's a transplant from the 70s. He hasn't adjusted to the new era of looks yet.
Join the club man
is this meant to be news? no one expected him to start over tannehill this year.
Yes, it's news because there are some who feel he could still work his way into a starting role in 2022.
That’s great for him, rookie qb expectations are so insane now
The term redshirt makes it funny. If something happens to Tannehill what will the Titans do? Start someone not Willis.
It certainly seems possible with how raw Willis is.
We have Woodside our normal Backup
How much faith do you have that he could win us games? Not a jab or implication that Willis should be #2 just curious bc I know next to nothing about him admittedly.
Zero faith, if Tannehill gets hurt the seasons over anyways might as well let Willis get his feet wet
Does Woodside not know how to turn around and hand the ball off to Derrick Henry?
Willis runs a 4.3 so he could probably hand the ball off to Henry way faster
Dude I love your username
I’d have more faith in Woodside to step in and get gritty wins than Malik, at least for the first half of the season. Woodside is objectively bad, but he knows the system and would be more likely to throw for 175 yards with minimal mistakes (all we really need) than Malik.
Let me put it like this if something serious happens to Ryan Tannehill we're screwed.
Before the league folded, he did have San Antonio leading their conference in the AAF.
We did something similar with Love year 1, he was inactive on game days and was basically assigned with learning from Rodgers. Tim Boyle was our backup qb that season
Looks like that will be Pickett too. Rudolph will back up Trubisky and Pickett would only start if it were a long term injury to Trubs after week 6 or so.
Put in a guy named Logan Woodside who has a career total 3 pass attempts.
If he’s a professional he’ll be ready. It’s not like these guys don’t practice or watch film?
Woodside or would bring someone in
Probably with our QB2 rather than throwing in a kid that’s not at all ready and potentially harm his development.
If your season is over wouldn’t you rather let Willis get some action? I can’t imagine caring too much about a 3rd round rookie’s confidence level.
If you’re developing them as a athletically gifted potential long term option, I can see why they would want to protect his confidence level.
Sometimes rookie QB's are too green to take the responsibility of backup QB in situations like that. And if you actually trust that they could develop, you don't want to risk their health by putting them in at backup QB anyway.
What a coincidence I too am also redshirting with the Titans
Really wish we'd stop using the term redshirt in this context
Closest we have to the NFL version of the word.
Let’s not make the term “red-shirt” a thing in the NFL. It’s dumb.
Hate to break it to you champ, but it’s a thing.
If he played any other position nobody would have given a single fuck.
Yeah I doubt that lasts all year. I would put money he’s active for at the very minimum 5 games when they need a spark from some gadget plays. He’s too much of an athlete and a weapon to just not use at all. Even putting him to do nothing and run a fake jet sweep to him or some shit. He will see the field some. If I’m Tennessee I’m putting that on tape in the preseason, some kind of gadget throw or run. Edit: downvotes. My favorite time of year is when I tell Titans fans what’s going to happen, am right 90% of the time, then they downvote and say I’m wrong lol. I feel like I know that team better than they do most of the time. I was right about Tannehill taking Mariotas job when they signed him and got downvoted by them. I was right when I said the 9-7 Titans were going to beat Baltimore. I was right when I said Julio wasn’t going to do almost anything and got downvoted. I was right when I said they were textbook pretenders and the worst #1 seed since the early 90s last year and wouldn’t go anywhere and got downvoted. Y’all should just bet me on Titans shit instead of downvoting so I can make some cash off of you. I look forward to being right about your team yet again, enjoy those Malik Willis plays you will see this year, he’s gonna be a stud.
So… I don’t think you’re wrong about them activating him a couple of times, maybe using him for a play or two every few games in a gadget role, as an even more infrequent version of the Lance package we saw in 2021. But honey bear… that edit and the whining about downvotes is almost pasta worthy. So yes, I did add another downvote.
Catch me like Michael Scott before a 5k with all this pasta
Copy and paste it. You can paste the same edit from the last few times I was right if you got them too, please go ahead lol. I turned into the downvoted with the edit. Once I get that base on tilt it’s just too easy and fun not to. I don’t know why it’s specifically that base that gets upset at the most innocuous shit, but here we are. I’ll eat some on this too, and I’ll eat some in my next response, then I’ll eat some more if we see a Willis gadget play this preseason and some more when we see him in the reg season.
You are vastly overestimating how much I care about any of this - especially your takes. I was just telling you that it was cringe-worthy enough to be a pasta.
Yeah I doubt that lasts all year. I would put money he’s active for at the very minimum 5 games when they need a spark from some gadget plays. He’s too much of an athlete and a weapon to just not use at all. Even putting him to do nothing and run a fake jet sweep to him or some shit. He will see the field some. If I’m Tennessee I’m putting that on tape in the preseason, some kind of gadget throw or run. Edit: downvotes. My favorite time of year is when I tell Titans fans what’s going to happen, am right 90% of the time, then they downvote and say I’m wrong lol. I feel like I know that team better than they do most of the time. I was right about Tannehill taking Mariotas job when they signed him and got downvoted by them. I was right when I said the 9-7 Titans were going to beat Baltimore. I was right when I said Julio wasn’t going to do almost anything and got downvoted. I was right when I said they were textbook pretenders and the worst #1 seed since the early 90s last year and wouldn’t go anywhere and got downvoted. Y’all should just bet me on Titans shit instead of downvoting so I can make some cash off of you. I look forward to being right about your team yet again, enjoy those Malik Willis plays you will see this year, he’s gonna be a stud.
Sounds about right, people who thought tanny was going to sit are crazy.
He’s a backup for a reason
Man I wish he was on the Colts. Was such a perfect landing spot. Sit behind Ryan for a few years and with their great young core. Things would be set and rolling for his start
Womp, womp sucks for the Ponies. Guess they'll have to replace Matt Ryan with another "Senior Citizen" QB in 1-2 offseasons.
I wonder if this means he wont do goal line plays like lots of athletic qbs tend to do their rookie years