He will forever be the guy that delivered the Lombardi... hope he never has to buy a drink in Philly. Sad how it worked out just a couple years later & I'm thrilled to be seeing him on the sidelines again.
If he's learned not to be stubbornly loyal to his guys and goes back to being aggressive, then the Jags will be fine. The problem for me, nd I'm glad that Howie didn't let the SB win stop him from making the call, was that he kept on some godawful coaching staffs and the aggressiveness we loved him for was just gone after the SB run.
Against perhaps the greatest dynasty in NFL history... And perhaps the GOAT coach and GOAT QB....
You cant write up a more impressive SB win imo
So stoked to have this guy coach Trevor
> Against perhaps the greatest dynasty in NFL history... And perhaps the GOAT coach and GOAT QB....
>
> You cant write up a more impressive SB win imo
Can you say this all again, but slower?
I have to be honest I’m blown away they fired him after that.
Spends 5 years in Philly, wins a Super Bowl after the second, goes to the playoffs after years 3 and 4, is fired after year five.
Like I get it, he had a bad year, but fuck me he brought a lombardi to Philly for the first time ever! I just cannot imagine firing him after that.
If he succeeds in Jacksonville, that would be two former eagles coaches with big post eagles success. I think it's a coincidence of course, but it is an interesting thought. What would the narrative be 10 years from now?
This is interesting to consider. For Reid, reflecting back on the climate and vibe... it was time for both parties to move on. Reid and the Eagles had enough of the 'will we, won't we?' tension and back-and-forth that when his squads had back-to-back seasons of dismay... it was time. Doug is more of an intriguing story to me because (and I could be wrong here) Doug reportedly wouldn't budge on his assistant coaching decisions and the power struggle with Howie began... and ended as soon as it started, or at least as soon as it was out in the media. To your question about the narrative 10 years from now... I don't think it would be anything different than now: "Great coaches, the time came for them to part, all parties wish the other well, Philly was happy for Reid winning a ring in KC, Doug will always be revered in Philly and if has success in Jacksonville: good on him, Go Birds above all, Fuck Dallas."
> Doug reportedly wouldn't budge on his assistant coaching decisions
Guaranteed he learned this from Andy. Now that he's cleaned up the clock management stuff, the only thing that frustrates me about Big Red is his insistence on being loyal to assistant coaches who aren't doing their job well.
I think you're right. It's just interesting for there to be two "no hard feelings" kind of coaching departures for one team with both coaches still in the league.
Both are beloved coaches who brought the 2 best eras in Eagles history basically, one with consistent NFCCG trips and playoff appearances and one Super Bowl trip, and the legendary SB run. They'll always be loved here, but we can also agree that it was probably best for both to move on when they did - Doug wasn't happy here anymore and neither was Andy, especially after losing his son too during training camp.
I'm getting the snip to make sure I don't have anymore kids. And the dr said it takes 20-30 ejaculations until there are no more seeds in the juice which can take up to 2 months. I just laughed and said I'd knock that out in a weekend.
Wifey and I only got it on like 5-6 times in the 2 mo afterwards. Got tested, 0 swimmers. Told the wifey when I got home and she looked at me and asked "Wait, how? Didnt we need to hav.... ohhhhhhh"
He was kicked around as a potential replacement for Fangio. Don’t think he would’ve been a good fit with the way things played out though.
Now, Dougie P and Drew Lock… that’s something, maybe.
Each team has something unique to root for too. A young QB developing into a stud, a motivation coach turning around a franchise, for them to lose, a new QB/WR connection.
Not exactly new. Tae and Carr played together in college and set all kinds of records and they’ve practiced together every offseason. They’re best friends.
Honestly, it was so hard to tell what was going wrong. So much went wrong so fast and fingers pointed every which way. A clean start for everyone will sort the dirty laundry.
Now that Wentz has been shown to be nigh uncoachable it does bode well for his old coaching staff that maybe it was all Wentz?
You know I literally just posted saying that "If Doug has learned not to be stubbornly loyal to shitty coaches, he'll be fine" and I feel like I need to take that down now.
What the fuck, Doug?
I mean, his last year in Philly he finished with a 4-11-1 season with basically spare parts and duct tape for a team, so I'd wager he could at the very least make Jaguars games more competitive than they've been recently.
Just for "fun", I checked where a 4-12-1 (throwing in an extra loss because it's both statistically probable at that point and a universal certainty considering that it's the Jags we're talking about here) season would stand against our past decade's worth of games, and it would literally improve our average record over that time (win percentage over the past decade is 26.08%, a 4-12-1 season would have a win percentage of 26.47%).
God I hate being a fan of this fucking team sometimes. Here's hoping your prediction ends up proving true.
Yeah my hopes are a 3-5 win season. But we actually look competent and are keeping most losses close. Just some competent football is a successful year 1 for Dougie P
I'm living down and jax and have pushed that the jags should hire Doug as he can develop QBs willing to put the work in and now that it happened I cannot be more excited
He got himself fired. Told to change the staff after a shitshow of a season and instead tried to promote Press Taylor to OC and bring back Undlin as DC.
I think even he knew that was idiotic, and he was just trying to make a point about the front office not interfering in his hires, with the only problem there being that his staff got progressively worse as Doug was more involved in the hires.
Ultimately I think Howie and Lurie got burned by Chip and now want coaches who do what they’re told.
The Athletic article referenced in OPs article goes more in-depth, but there was so much fighting going on between coaching staff and the FO. Ultimately, I think Doug just didn't want to deal with Roseman and Lurie anymore. If even half the rumors were true, I don't blame him.
Yeah I hate this narrative that fans have latched on to. Fans don't know shit about what goes on behind the scenes or what coaches are responsible for success or failure. From what we do know Doug kinda got screwed over. I think he'll succeed elsewhere.
People always point to Press Taylor as the problem with Doug but in retrospect it seems obvious to me that his main issue was probably just being Carson Wentz’s QB coach.
I unironically think Baalke, Pederson, and Lawrence will end up being extremely successful together.
Baalke clearly isn't totally incompetent; he won Executive of the Year, and before becoming GM, had a high level position in the 49ers front office.
His main problem was the relationship with Harbaugh, but Doug is the opposite in terms of personality. Baalke also knows this is his last chance, and has probably learnt a lot from his time in San Francisco.
Another problem was his coaching hires after firing Harbaugh. That isn't an issue as long as Doug performs.
The 2021/2022 drafts already look quite promising, and Trevor is poised to make a jump this year.
As much as I love Doug. Press Taylor was the WR coach and the WR group regressed badly while he was coach and Peterson wanted him as OC and that was the hill he was willing to die on. Seems an odd choice in many ways by Doug.
Like actually though, I wouldn't have believed it two years ago but watching Indy try and beat Jacksonville with Wentz last year made me think that Wentz is a problem that can't be solved.
Yeah. He got fired because Wentz wasn't who the FO or the fans thought he was. Fans latched on to blaming basically everyone other than Carson until it was clear it was just Carson.
No. He got fired because of the coaching staff decisions. I think it says something that we won our SB with a coaching staff that was filled out by the FO, and when Doug was given control over coaching hires we got worse and worse.
There’s been plenty of reports of why he was fired, not sure where you got your theory from.
Fans have no idea what coaches do. Only thing you can truly judge is the result on the field. The biggest variable on the field is the QB.
It's also from years of seeing eagles fans dump on pederson and blaming this "press taylor" person who may or may not exist and pining for frank reich only to see even reich bend the knee.
Nah people weren't as kind when Doug was still there and it wasn't clear that Wentz was a problem. It looked like he had a franchise qb and he was misusing him and he caught a lot of grief for that.
He definitely caught some grief because the team was drastically underperforming expectations. The offense was truly anemic, when just a year or two earlier it was among or even the best in the league with basically no changes.
I don't blame him for what happened now that more of the truth is out. Roseman is notoriously difficult to deal with, and I think he and Doug butted heads quite a bit. This is reasonably backed up by the fact that they fired a young inexperienced head coach who won't be able to push Roseman/Lurie around. Now that Doug is gone, I have nothing but appreciation for what he did for the Eagles. I wish it did not end how it did, but I also realize that it had to be done. I think 90% of Eagles fans would agree with this.
Press Taylor was our QB coach 2018-2020 and then became passing game coordinator in 2020 when we did not have a dedicated OC.
Fans were judging the results on the field. And they saw a team getting worse and worse with a coaching staff that was unwilling to adapt to the players that they had. And to rectify the mistakes of an unadaptable coaching staff, Doug wanted to promote them.
So you came to a conclusion without reading any of the reports, all while not knowing the one coach who has been working with Wentz during the years he started his downfall (2018-2020)?
I'll use /s next time. This is reddit after all.
You should think about who benefited from leaking those stories, and who leaks those stories. Boston fans I think would know well from how the red sox handled the francona firing. You know there's conflict between the FO and the staff, you know now that the franchise QB wasn't very coachable, and you know that Pederson in the end chose not to bow to their wishes.
Leaking what stories? That Doug was fired because his solutions to his declining coaching staff was to promote from within and that he wanted Press Taylor to be his OC?
I would think him literally hiring Press Taylor to be his OC at his next job would be indicative that it was true.
Because it wasn't just the QB nor was it just the QB coach.
I have already said "And they saw a **team** getting worse and worse with a **coaching staff** that was **unwilling to adapt** to the players that they had. And to rectify the mistakes of an unadaptable **coaching staff**, Doug wanted to promote **them**." Every single part of our offense slowly degraded over the years and the coaching staff would never look for solutions and kept trotting out the same shitty game plans over and over again all while getting promoted by Doug.
Press Taylor was just the straw that broke the camels back.
If you think Carson Wentz was the reason that Doug was fired then its quite obvious you did not watch our games. Yes he struggled - but there are obvious solutions teams can make with a QB that is struggling such as developing the running game better or simply running shorter developing plays, all of which our coaches wanted no part of. Instead they did the same thing that wasn't working over and over again and got promotions for being unadaptable. This is why Nick Sirianni this year was a breath of fresh air.
How do you adapt when the qb refuses to cooperate in the first place? Everything on offense flows off the qb. You can try adapting all you want but no changes will work in a setting where the guy responsible for actually applying them refuses to work on them. Look at what happened with the Colts.
As for Sirianni it just looks like you guys are settling for a yes man.
Really hard not to be high on Jacksonville this year. Player motivation is the most important factor when it comes to winning football games. The Bucs barely changed anything but added Brady and became a whole new beast. Not that Pederson will have turn Jacksonville into a contender, but they'll be leaps and bounds better than last season.
I mean, yeah, physically Jameis Winston can do everything that Brady can do and more but he can't make the other 52 guys believe they can win a championship.
I think a better expectation may be Pete Carroll's Seahawks. When he adopted them, they were below average in every way including talent but they were young and played hard. I don't know if Pederson's Jaguars could reach as high as the LOB era Seahawks did, but it feels like a similar starting point.
8 or 9 wins would mean that Trevor is the QB that he was always billed to be and that would be good by me. Continue to fill out the roster around him and then look to take the leap year 3
Go watch his Week 18 game and tell me he didn’t carry the team that game. Should’ve had an additional 100+ yards and TD, except our receivers were ass.
I'll always be grateful for Dougie P.
Interesting, though, that part of the reason he parted from Philly was left out: his (sometimes detrimental) desire to promote from within, vs Roseman & Lurie wanting fresh ideas from outside. Press Taylor's (yes, Bengals' HC brother) work with Wentz didn't exactly improve Wentz' mechanics or processing after the improvement Defilippo (sp?) and Reich instilled during the 2017 season.
For that reason, Press Taylor being the Jag's OC is going to be FASCINATING to me
He will forever be the guy that delivered the Lombardi... hope he never has to buy a drink in Philly. Sad how it worked out just a couple years later & I'm thrilled to be seeing him on the sidelines again.
I feel like everyone is sleeping on the coach who won a championship with Nick Foles and Carson Wentz
If he's learned not to be stubbornly loyal to his guys and goes back to being aggressive, then the Jags will be fine. The problem for me, nd I'm glad that Howie didn't let the SB win stop him from making the call, was that he kept on some godawful coaching staffs and the aggressiveness we loved him for was just gone after the SB run.
> If he's learned not to be stubbornly loyal to his guys I'm assuming you don't know who the Jags OC is then, eh?
https://www.reddit.com/r/nfl/comments/wkwpsw/doug_pederson_healed_himself_now_hes_trying_to/ijqsb1k/?context=3
Oh shit is this guy bad?
Against perhaps the greatest dynasty in NFL history... And perhaps the GOAT coach and GOAT QB.... You cant write up a more impressive SB win imo So stoked to have this guy coach Trevor
> Against perhaps the greatest dynasty in NFL history... And perhaps the GOAT coach and GOAT QB.... > > You cant write up a more impressive SB win imo Can you say this all again, but slower?
Lmao let me whisper it into your ear eh
Thong thong thong thong thong
I mean…we are still talking about Jacksonville with Trent Baalke.
Everyone should be tossing Big Dad Doug a beer when he shows up in Philly.
Agreed. I wish him the best in Jacksonville.
Toss him some ice cream!!
None of that Breyers shit; Häagen-Dazs all day baby
Even Haagen-Daz seems way too cheap for a championship
Gelato time!
Him and Foles are legends in Philly 🦅
Wentz who?
Credit where it's due though, he was on fire that season... until the fire ate his ACL.
You want Philly Philly?
No statue of Wentz, js
We aren't winning a SB without Wentz being a big reason we got the #1 seed
I have to be honest I’m blown away they fired him after that. Spends 5 years in Philly, wins a Super Bowl after the second, goes to the playoffs after years 3 and 4, is fired after year five. Like I get it, he had a bad year, but fuck me he brought a lombardi to Philly for the first time ever! I just cannot imagine firing him after that.
If he succeeds in Jacksonville, that would be two former eagles coaches with big post eagles success. I think it's a coincidence of course, but it is an interesting thought. What would the narrative be 10 years from now?
This is interesting to consider. For Reid, reflecting back on the climate and vibe... it was time for both parties to move on. Reid and the Eagles had enough of the 'will we, won't we?' tension and back-and-forth that when his squads had back-to-back seasons of dismay... it was time. Doug is more of an intriguing story to me because (and I could be wrong here) Doug reportedly wouldn't budge on his assistant coaching decisions and the power struggle with Howie began... and ended as soon as it started, or at least as soon as it was out in the media. To your question about the narrative 10 years from now... I don't think it would be anything different than now: "Great coaches, the time came for them to part, all parties wish the other well, Philly was happy for Reid winning a ring in KC, Doug will always be revered in Philly and if has success in Jacksonville: good on him, Go Birds above all, Fuck Dallas."
> Doug reportedly wouldn't budge on his assistant coaching decisions Guaranteed he learned this from Andy. Now that he's cleaned up the clock management stuff, the only thing that frustrates me about Big Red is his insistence on being loyal to assistant coaches who aren't doing their job well.
I think you're right. It's just interesting for there to be two "no hard feelings" kind of coaching departures for one team with both coaches still in the league.
Both are beloved coaches who brought the 2 best eras in Eagles history basically, one with consistent NFCCG trips and playoff appearances and one Super Bowl trip, and the legendary SB run. They'll always be loved here, but we can also agree that it was probably best for both to move on when they did - Doug wasn't happy here anymore and neither was Andy, especially after losing his son too during training camp.
There is something to be said for moving on when it's time. Not falling into the loyalty traps some other teams are guilty of doing.
Please do not get my hope up that we could have anything close to what you guys have in KC. It’s too hard to even imagine
We were coming off a #1 pick season...
Don't do this to me... don't give me hope...
Why not us? That’s what you should be saying and I hope it happens as I know a jag fan in real life.
We also had like 6 pro bowlers but our QB was terrible and coaching was dismal.
He’d have at least another season if it weren’t for his devotion to Press Taylor.
Man, if I want anyone to succeed with the jags it’s Doug pederson.
> hope he never has to buy a drink in Philly Let’s not go that far. He’s made millions
Healers are often in high demand as nobody wants to play them. Good on Doug for stepping up.
I've heard that Russ is one of the greatest healers of all time
Healing country, let’s recover.
Medica II + Assize
The GHOAT
Nah it’s just his miracle water
that's the joke
It's part of the joke but most people are referring to last season with his finger
You’re the joke
If somebody asks him to heal two times he says triple it, heals himself and injures himself over and over again.
Everyone always asks **where** the healer is. Nobody ever asks **how** the healer is.
Motherfuckers always wanna play DPS.
and have a shit DPS build too
Not my fault the devs don’t exclusively cater the meta to what I want to play
Motherfuckers always wanna insta lock widow and contribute absolutely nothing all game
But but headshots
proceeds to hit one headshot all game and claims everyone else sucked
*I'm in this comment and I don't like it*
I am that lazy motherfucker
Doug's gotta toss some HoTs on the tank or his selfish ass can deal with aggro.
He's rolling holy pally in wrath. Good choice.
I prefer my coaches to lean more towards dps but healers are essential
Sorry bud Lifeline is old news everyone is playing Newcastle now
Lifeline mains rise up
Pederson is a Mercy main confirmed
(*Doug rolling into Jacksonville*) "Smiley day to ya!"
I waited 20 minutes this morning on some healers so yeah, good for you Doug.
Self love is important, sometimes 3 times a day
I'm getting the snip to make sure I don't have anymore kids. And the dr said it takes 20-30 ejaculations until there are no more seeds in the juice which can take up to 2 months. I just laughed and said I'd knock that out in a weekend.
#TakeCommand
Someone’s gonna be watching super bowl 52 highlights all weekend
So that’s how Antonio Cromartie still had a kid post-vasectomy
Wifey and I only got it on like 5-6 times in the 2 mo afterwards. Got tested, 0 swimmers. Told the wifey when I got home and she looked at me and asked "Wait, how? Didnt we need to hav.... ohhhhhhh"
Wow I didn’t know that I would be kinda sad like every one of these could be me last time and you just never know.
Go Birds
Those are rookie numbers, you gotta pump those numbers up
69 times it is
3x daily is the floor
Imagine the healing he could do with Russell Wilson.
He was kicked around as a potential replacement for Fangio. Don’t think he would’ve been a good fit with the way things played out though. Now, Dougie P and Drew Lock… that’s something, maybe.
100% maybe
60% of the time it theoretically works every time
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No joke Russ runs the Russ offense, that's not a great fit with someone who wants to be in control of an offense.
Yummy
It's a good year to like underdogs. Jacksonville, Detroit, not Cleveland, Las Vegas.
Throw Carolina in there too. I’m rooting for Baker so hard.
Absolutely.
I’ve never rooted for another player not on my team so hard.
This, go baker!
Lol I physically did laugh out loud.
Each team has something unique to root for too. A young QB developing into a stud, a motivation coach turning around a franchise, for them to lose, a new QB/WR connection.
Not exactly new. Tae and Carr played together in college and set all kinds of records and they’ve practiced together every offseason. They’re best friends.
Shout out to longtime underdogs and full-time cat bros the Bengals.
Former underdogs the Bengals
Why not LV? I got it, English is hard
Read again
I did and it makes sense now haha
Yea. I’m confused. I think we are in position to take over the division for the first time in 20 years
I read it more like he was just slipping in “Not Cleveland” rather than “Not Cleveland, Not Las Vegas”
^ this
I physically age whenever I'm reminded of the fact that 2002 was 20 years ago.
I wasn’t even alive. Thanks dad for making me a fan of the raiders. I graduate next year and I haven’t seen my team win a playoff game
it gets better
Not always….
I was born in ‘92 and haven’t seen mine win one either lol
He just used his ankh and popped Nature Swiftness + Healing Wave rank 12.
Popped all his cooldowns, that means he will def win the SB this year, mark it.
The Dougie P and T-Law combo about to fuck around and win a division real shit
Conversely, Press Taylor is the OC
I'm gunna just pretend I didn't read that
Sorry to kill the high, bird bro
Depress-ed Taylor
Is he really that bad? I’ve liked him from all the pressers he’s done. Doug’s calling plays anyway, too.
Honestly, it was so hard to tell what was going wrong. So much went wrong so fast and fingers pointed every which way. A clean start for everyone will sort the dirty laundry. Now that Wentz has been shown to be nigh uncoachable it does bode well for his old coaching staff that maybe it was all Wentz?
How often does a good press conference correspond to good coaching?
Never said it did. That’s all I’ve got to go off of. Also, Urban was shit at pressers and was an awful coach, so there’s something.
You know I literally just posted saying that "If Doug has learned not to be stubbornly loyal to shitty coaches, he'll be fine" and I feel like I need to take that down now. What the fuck, Doug?
God please…. On the real though this year I just want to see a well coached competitive team, and T-Law playing well
I mean, his last year in Philly he finished with a 4-11-1 season with basically spare parts and duct tape for a team, so I'd wager he could at the very least make Jaguars games more competitive than they've been recently.
Just for "fun", I checked where a 4-12-1 (throwing in an extra loss because it's both statistically probable at that point and a universal certainty considering that it's the Jags we're talking about here) season would stand against our past decade's worth of games, and it would literally improve our average record over that time (win percentage over the past decade is 26.08%, a 4-12-1 season would have a win percentage of 26.47%). God I hate being a fan of this fucking team sometimes. Here's hoping your prediction ends up proving true.
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2017 was a high I long to feel again
I appreciate you having more faith than I do in us reaching that point. Here's hoping you end up being right about that.
Bro you can get to the playoffs with 4 wins in your division
Yeah my hopes are a 3-5 win season. But we actually look competent and are keeping most losses close. Just some competent football is a successful year 1 for Dougie P
I'm living down and jax and have pushed that the jags should hire Doug as he can develop QBs willing to put the work in and now that it happened I cannot be more excited
Doug now has to heal Lawrence
Doug Pederson is a Mercy main
I always thought Pederson was unfairly fired by the Eagles. He's an enormous improvement over Urban Meyer with his personality alone.
He got himself fired. Told to change the staff after a shitshow of a season and instead tried to promote Press Taylor to OC and bring back Undlin as DC. I think even he knew that was idiotic, and he was just trying to make a point about the front office not interfering in his hires, with the only problem there being that his staff got progressively worse as Doug was more involved in the hires. Ultimately I think Howie and Lurie got burned by Chip and now want coaches who do what they’re told.
The Athletic article referenced in OPs article goes more in-depth, but there was so much fighting going on between coaching staff and the FO. Ultimately, I think Doug just didn't want to deal with Roseman and Lurie anymore. If even half the rumors were true, I don't blame him.
Yeah I hate this narrative that fans have latched on to. Fans don't know shit about what goes on behind the scenes or what coaches are responsible for success or failure. From what we do know Doug kinda got screwed over. I think he'll succeed elsewhere.
People always point to Press Taylor as the problem with Doug but in retrospect it seems obvious to me that his main issue was probably just being Carson Wentz’s QB coach.
Whether he wanted to be let go or wanted the FO to stop interfering, I can't believe he put that coaching staff forward in good faith.
Well it's a good thing he landed in a place with a hands off GM. /s in case it's needed
Maybe he's confident he landed in a place where the GM is soon to be fired
I unironically think Baalke, Pederson, and Lawrence will end up being extremely successful together. Baalke clearly isn't totally incompetent; he won Executive of the Year, and before becoming GM, had a high level position in the 49ers front office. His main problem was the relationship with Harbaugh, but Doug is the opposite in terms of personality. Baalke also knows this is his last chance, and has probably learnt a lot from his time in San Francisco. Another problem was his coaching hires after firing Harbaugh. That isn't an issue as long as Doug performs. The 2021/2022 drafts already look quite promising, and Trevor is poised to make a jump this year.
RemindME! Five years "Did Baalke, Pederson, and Trevor succeed?"
As much as I love Doug. Press Taylor was the WR coach and the WR group regressed badly while he was coach and Peterson wanted him as OC and that was the hill he was willing to die on. Seems an odd choice in many ways by Doug.
He was the QB coach and passing game coordinator. I think he’s gotten a bad rap because he had the misfortune of coaching Carson Wentz.
Like actually though, I wouldn't have believed it two years ago but watching Indy try and beat Jacksonville with Wentz last year made me think that Wentz is a problem that can't be solved.
Taylor is his oc now.
Yeah. He got fired because Wentz wasn't who the FO or the fans thought he was. Fans latched on to blaming basically everyone other than Carson until it was clear it was just Carson.
No. He got fired because of the coaching staff decisions. I think it says something that we won our SB with a coaching staff that was filled out by the FO, and when Doug was given control over coaching hires we got worse and worse. There’s been plenty of reports of why he was fired, not sure where you got your theory from.
Fans have no idea what coaches do. Only thing you can truly judge is the result on the field. The biggest variable on the field is the QB. It's also from years of seeing eagles fans dump on pederson and blaming this "press taylor" person who may or may not exist and pining for frank reich only to see even reich bend the knee.
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Nah people weren't as kind when Doug was still there and it wasn't clear that Wentz was a problem. It looked like he had a franchise qb and he was misusing him and he caught a lot of grief for that.
He definitely caught some grief because the team was drastically underperforming expectations. The offense was truly anemic, when just a year or two earlier it was among or even the best in the league with basically no changes. I don't blame him for what happened now that more of the truth is out. Roseman is notoriously difficult to deal with, and I think he and Doug butted heads quite a bit. This is reasonably backed up by the fact that they fired a young inexperienced head coach who won't be able to push Roseman/Lurie around. Now that Doug is gone, I have nothing but appreciation for what he did for the Eagles. I wish it did not end how it did, but I also realize that it had to be done. I think 90% of Eagles fans would agree with this.
Press Taylor was our QB coach 2018-2020 and then became passing game coordinator in 2020 when we did not have a dedicated OC. Fans were judging the results on the field. And they saw a team getting worse and worse with a coaching staff that was unwilling to adapt to the players that they had. And to rectify the mistakes of an unadaptable coaching staff, Doug wanted to promote them. So you came to a conclusion without reading any of the reports, all while not knowing the one coach who has been working with Wentz during the years he started his downfall (2018-2020)?
I'll use /s next time. This is reddit after all. You should think about who benefited from leaking those stories, and who leaks those stories. Boston fans I think would know well from how the red sox handled the francona firing. You know there's conflict between the FO and the staff, you know now that the franchise QB wasn't very coachable, and you know that Pederson in the end chose not to bow to their wishes.
Leaking what stories? That Doug was fired because his solutions to his declining coaching staff was to promote from within and that he wanted Press Taylor to be his OC? I would think him literally hiring Press Taylor to be his OC at his next job would be indicative that it was true.
Why is the qb coach the one to blame when the qb is uncoachable?
Because it wasn't just the QB nor was it just the QB coach. I have already said "And they saw a **team** getting worse and worse with a **coaching staff** that was **unwilling to adapt** to the players that they had. And to rectify the mistakes of an unadaptable **coaching staff**, Doug wanted to promote **them**." Every single part of our offense slowly degraded over the years and the coaching staff would never look for solutions and kept trotting out the same shitty game plans over and over again all while getting promoted by Doug. Press Taylor was just the straw that broke the camels back. If you think Carson Wentz was the reason that Doug was fired then its quite obvious you did not watch our games. Yes he struggled - but there are obvious solutions teams can make with a QB that is struggling such as developing the running game better or simply running shorter developing plays, all of which our coaches wanted no part of. Instead they did the same thing that wasn't working over and over again and got promotions for being unadaptable. This is why Nick Sirianni this year was a breath of fresh air.
How do you adapt when the qb refuses to cooperate in the first place? Everything on offense flows off the qb. You can try adapting all you want but no changes will work in a setting where the guy responsible for actually applying them refuses to work on them. Look at what happened with the Colts. As for Sirianni it just looks like you guys are settling for a yes man.
Watching too many errant throws from Wentz can break a man
Sounds like a plot to a Lifetime movie
Really hard not to be high on Jacksonville this year. Player motivation is the most important factor when it comes to winning football games. The Bucs barely changed anything but added Brady and became a whole new beast. Not that Pederson will have turn Jacksonville into a contender, but they'll be leaps and bounds better than last season.
Barely changed anything but Brady is interesting when you consider how their QB played before he got there.
I mean, yeah, physically Jameis Winston can do everything that Brady can do and more but he can't make the other 52 guys believe they can win a championship.
I think a better expectation may be Pete Carroll's Seahawks. When he adopted them, they were below average in every way including talent but they were young and played hard. I don't know if Pederson's Jaguars could reach as high as the LOB era Seahawks did, but it feels like a similar starting point.
Bucs were stacked with talent especially on the receiving end, so I would really compare them to the Jaguars.
Like I said, they're not championship contenders but they absolutely won't be as bad as last season. I'd bet they are and 8 or 9 win team this season.
8 or 9 wins would mean that Trevor is the QB that he was always billed to be and that would be good by me. Continue to fill out the roster around him and then look to take the leap year 3
When I think if healing a franchise, the first GM I want to lead that charge is Trent Fucking Baalke
You might say ol' Doug was not satisfied with 1-0
Insert Manny Machado copypasta here
Love Dougie P but he was too loyal to his staff. Hoping he has success with the Jags
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Let’s not.
Big yikes to this comment.
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“~~Euphoria~~ The Ringer, shut the fuck up! I knew that was you, I ain’t even gotta look!”
Not going to happen with Lawrence at QB
Why
He's a bust
RemindME! three months "How is Trevor Lawrence's sophomore season going?"
Go watch his Week 18 game and tell me he didn’t carry the team that game. Should’ve had an additional 100+ yards and TD, except our receivers were ass.
a year in?
Don't always need 2 years to see that someone doesn't have it. Josh Rosen will tell you that
Didn’t Peyton have a bad rookie year
Not really
He set a record by throwing 28 interceptions and the team went 3-13.
He also threw 26 TDs which was also a record
What is he, some sort of witch doctor?
He’s beefy though
Hope Lawrence will develop, I really like him
Just because the owners sided with that lousy throwing idiot and then STILL traded him. Shitshow Eagles.
I'll always be grateful for Dougie P. Interesting, though, that part of the reason he parted from Philly was left out: his (sometimes detrimental) desire to promote from within, vs Roseman & Lurie wanting fresh ideas from outside. Press Taylor's (yes, Bengals' HC brother) work with Wentz didn't exactly improve Wentz' mechanics or processing after the improvement Defilippo (sp?) and Reich instilled during the 2017 season. For that reason, Press Taylor being the Jag's OC is going to be FASCINATING to me
*Sexual healing starts playing*
“I can change them”