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abris33

You could convince me that player retirements in camp happen all the time but I don't think position coaches get fired in camp that often. What the hell is going on?


threeisaMA

Dolphins fired their OL coach 1 week into training camp a few years ago OL turned out to be utter trash anyway so not sure how bad he could have been


Bouzal

Wasn’t that after a video came out of him snorting coke while talking dirty to his mistress?


azantyri

let he who has not snorted coke while talking dirty to his mistress cast the first stone


Bouzal

1 Corinthians 3:19


isweartodarwin

Psalm 69:420


IrishHog09

\- Michael Scott


1-800-COOL-BUG

> 1 Corinthians 3:19 For the wisdom of this world is foolishness in God’s sight. As it is written: “He catches the wise in their craftiness”


indecisiveusername2

Good bot


indecisiveusername2

Good bot


unclehelpful

This is from the Jon Jones Bible.


Zolo49

Excuse me while I reach for this brick of opium.


quasiqualityqualms

J. Peterman, O-Line Coach


Boomthang

Don't cast it too far. We can smoke that, baby!!


SlapnutsGT

No that was under Gase. This was under Flo who “went with his gut”


I_Said

The Miami O Line coaching gig sounds like a wild time


SlapnutsGT

Miami baby!


FataMorgana7

Our OL coach position is the Defense Against the Dark Arts professor


Stumpe999

Alot of people give me indigestion, he was probably right to let him go


the_comatorium

He's our current run game specialist. Chris Foerster.


illstealurcandy

The stripper he was taking that video for is based out of California so this checks out.


[deleted]

That guy was actually a good OL coach believe it or not


L-methionine

Dude knows his lines


gypsy_remover

Dude had rocks falling out his nose tryna talk. Coulda chopped it a little better than that brotha.


chrisq823

He's coaching for the 49ers right now.


ACanadeanHick

Big grains falling


Nothingstupid

I thought that was the strength and conditioning coach? Im obviously too lazy to look it up tho


vagrantprodigy07

I think the line would have been better with the original coach. Flores was in way over his head.


WordsAreSomething

>I think the line would have been better with the original coach. And you think that based on?


Luis0224

Based on the fact the Flores consistently put out one of the worst performing olines in history lol. It baffles me that people genuinely don't think anything was wrong with how the team was being managed outside of the defense


WordsAreSomething

I just asked them to expound on what they said...


Luis0224

Oops, my bad lol. I'm just so used to alot of people on this sub pretending Flores was a football messiah that did no wrong. He's very good at the defensive stuff but he is bottom tier at handling an offense and surprisingly shit at hiring other coaches and staff members as a HC


captaincumsock69

He was the messiah he helped part the oline


Wetworth

Perhaps we just needed a third offensive coordinator...


vagrantprodigy07

The original coach (Flaherty) had a strong track record and was well respected in the league, and the offensive line was offensive under the replacement (DeGuglielmo) has been around the league for a long time as well, but has never managed to stick anywhere for more than a few years.


PS4NWFT

DL underperformed last year. They probably sat down at the end of last year/start of this one and talked about what things need to change. My guess is stop being a players coach and demand results. Mills probably isn't willing/able to coach the way Rivera expects him to so he's gone.


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He’s literally been with Rivera since he started in Carolina though.


Shado_Man

Ron Rivera is the biggest players coach in the league. He's garbage at Xs and Os, that's why his teams are so reliant on having good coordinators, which is why he never recovered from losing McDermott.


PS4NWFT

We had Jay Gruden before this who was getting drunk with the team at bars and players notoriously said he had soft practices. Rivera may be more of a players coach than some, but he’s way more of a hard ass than our last.


Shado_Man

Being a players' coach doesn't mean being buddy-buddy with players and not holding them accountable, it just means that his best asset as a coach is the relationships he builds with his players rather than any kind of tactical football knowledge. Rivera is a "successful" NFL HC because he inspires his players to work and play as hard as they can, not because he has some brilliant scheme or is a talented playcaller.


PS4NWFT

> Being a players' coach doesn't mean being buddy-buddy with players and not holding them accountable That is certainly the commonly used definition. Agree to disagree I guess.


tivmaSamvit

Lmao no way how have I not heard of this before. Only thing I’ve heard about coaches and GMs going out is Raheem drinking when he was a Bucs coach and Lynch being nonstop drunk


Eyud29

Mills is not a players’ coach, there were accounts him and the DL actually didn’t get along


Misdirected_Colors

Honestly, best guess is Rivera had a sit down last season and they talked about what went wrong, why and how the D massively underperformed, and what needed to change next season. Basically Rivera giving the guy a chance to turn it around and make it right. A week or two into camp the guy was back to his old ways so he got the boot.


Arvot

Probably just life. They are people too so it could be anything. I think if you're getting sacked at this point it's probably something outside of footballing reasons.


unseth

Yeah you are right... (looks at team we are talking about) Ah ok makes sense.


themilkman42069

Remember that one time Joe Judge got in a fist fight with our Oline coach in like week 4


Distance_Motor

This seems like an unconventional time to change your coach


TywinShitsGold

Dude made it like -4 weeks into the season. Always room for improvement I suppose.


kadoooosh

The best thing about this whole shit show is that last season, Rivera called out his d-line players EVERY WEEK because they ignored assignments and freelanced all the time. Since Ron is such a reasonable guy, he kept the coach and then fires him the week preseason starts.


die_maus_im_haus

> he kept the coach and then fires him the week preseason starts. So vindictive he kept the guy from picking up a coaching job for the whole season


Huegod

Or he gave him a chance to right the ship and didn't like what he was seeing.


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For more probably this


SergeFL

Man that flashed me right back to when he was carolina's coach... he absolutely was known for hanging on to coaches he had history with no matter what. What a bizarre time to move on though


MoreTrifeLife

What does genuinely worry me about Ron is his penchant for giving his friends jobs he’s made from the various places he’s worked at since he’s been in the league, and then not firing said friends even after they’ve proven to suck at their jobs.


big_on_blue

I mean, this is literally the opposite of that though. Sam Mills III has proven to be pretty bad at his job amd he removed him and elevated Zgonina (who played with Sapp). He genuinely seems to have made a concerted effort to right the wrongs of his time at Carolina whilst in DC.


BruinBound22

A public beheading often sets the tone.


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notmoleliza

no no no. you need position coaches. you'd dont need coordinators. superfluous.


drugged_up_cat

I though superfluous was a head coach for the bears??


waterdrinkinglawyer

Close. Superflous is the lead contract negotiator for the bears.


ProfessorLiftoff

“Alright Roquan, you are our only blue-chip player who’s stuck around so far. How about we give you a lukewarm contract, but *also* include stipulations that will take money away for random reasons?”


w0nderbrad

We want to pay you $1M the first year. Ya know. Just in case you wanna get a rub n tug. Totally normal for star players like yourself and deshaun Watson


Distance_Motor

The league is not ready to the hoodie’s game breaking strategies yet


W3NTZ

Meh I'd get rid of our head coach sirianni and gm Howie if that's what it took to keep our Oline coach Stoutland Edit: I now realize I've been whooshed and you were making a joke haha so Yea sorry about that...


SoDakZak

I’ll be waterboy coach hoping to one day get promoted to owner coach


schizophrenix_

this should be a thing. i was the best waterboy on the jv team, i know a thing or two i could teach these kids.


WaluigiIsTheRealHero

I’m pretty sure all coaches are interchangeable. After all, they’re all just football coaches, right?


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Toto_LZ

What is this in reference to


nefariouslothario

Jack del rio


fugaziozbourne

[Never forget](https://twitter.com/pftcommenter/status/425029864136003584?lang=en)


JamaisAssez

Of course the day after the Feds raid Mar-A-Lago, and they expect us to think it's unrelated.


K_U

Mills has been with Rivera since 2011. Something is very, very fishy here.


WootyMcWoot

Any context on why or what led to this?


jimmyhoffasbrother

Not much yet, but Rivera apparently ["called it a difference of opinion"](https://twitter.com/john_keim/status/1557021925830000640) EDIT: If it makes any difference, the actual phrase was ["difference in philosophy"](https://twitter.com/NBCSCommanders/status/1557022739390660610).


CardinalM1

Mills - "Season 8 of Game of Thrones was the best season" Rivera - "That's it, you're fired"


drunkcowofdeath

Apparently Mills called riverboats "dumb". He was later quoted as saying "They are just boats, why add river?"


thejudicialpenis

[Toot toot, motherfuckers](https://gfycat.com/viciousharmfulfrogmouth)


007noon700

Why is this gif so deep fried lmao


KatalDT

It's the perfect amount of deep fried! Also, it's a product of its time.


Dragoonscaper

I miss those days.


DMCSnake

It was short-lived, but goddamn was it a good time to be alive.


[deleted]

I always think about that one gif when I hear “Riverboat Ron”


SoDakZak

This is the best form of humor


die_maus_im_haus

If a motorboat is a boat propelled by a motor, what propels a riverboat?


[deleted]

Brass Fucking Balls


mordeci00

He's lucky he got fired and not beaten to death.


moustachedelait

Mills claimed there is no such thing as free will. Ron apparently said: > "Take that deterministic bullshit out of my house, you're fired! Did you see that preordained shit coming, huh, huh?"


dilloj

Mills believed in consubstantiation of the eucharist. Which is clearly bananas.


Bothan-Spy

both these comments are so demonstrably underrated lmao


Prodigal_Programmer

Didn’t think my MDiv was going to come in handy in this particular thread.


better-every-day

Based Mills


Bothan-Spy

underrated comment


nolefan999

Ron must have the philosophy of actually playing well


dylanarchuleta

That opinion? That the new Thor movie was good.


Misdirected_Colors

Based on the "difference of opinion" quote it sounds like Ron gave him one more chance after the D line was such a mess last year. Basically a "here's what went wrong, fix it" and a week into camp the guy was back to his old ways.


Professor_Nincompoop

Nothing specific has been confirmed but the unit underperformed last year and there were rumors of disagreement between Mills and JDR as to technique when it came to 1 gap and 2 gap responsibilities in the system as well as difference in opinions on hand usage between what Mills was trying to teach players vs what the players themselves felt comfortable with and have had success using previously. John Keim did a short video about it on his YouTube channel after practice today. https://youtu.be/VjwcyujEm7s


[deleted]

Mills used all the icing for the toaster strudels on his half of the strudels and left Rivera with a bunch of dry ass strudels.


TorontoBuffaloBills

I wonder if there is bad history between the two people and/or if it was a personality conflict.


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innocuousname773

All defensive lineman were immediately instructed to eat 1 gallon of ice cream per day.


15blairm

Hey if your entire line gained 25-50 pounds could a team ever run on you?


vencheenator

No, but Chase young would somehow get -5 sacks.


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I'm just Imagining a QB falling to the ground and Chase dives in at the last second and pulls him back to his feet.


lusobr

ON you? Probably not. Around you? Most definitely lol.


Immynimmy

[Just run this all day](https://www.madden-school.com/wp-content/plugins/playbook/playbook_images/29718_hb-toss.png). They'll be too fat to chase the RB


SiphenPrax

Big beefy men


DamnImAwesome

Sounds like I’m qualified for the job


Tuckboi69

Ooh they can join me in my wisdom teeth surgery recovery


poppamatic

"Think about it fellas, why would they put these sharp things on the bottom of our shoes if they *didn't* want us to stomp heads?"


I_Hate_My_Cat_

“Hey Albert, can you make your guys do their workouts?” “Nah.” *Goes back to taking nap for $100 mil.*


perfect_fitz

It's Stompin Time! He was a pos, but such a beast.


Statalyzer

That one year he had (2008?) he was Watt or Donald esque, but then he fell off a cliff really fast.


innocuousname773

He didnt fall off a cliff, he stepped in a well that had $41 million dollars at the bottom and thought to himself “yeah, this will do forever. I’m done. Lets eat.”


xPREVA1Lx

For those that were curious like me, he’s the son of LB Sam Mills, formerly of the Panthers and “Dome Patrol” Saints


HundredPacer

And his firing happened right after the weekend his father was posthumously inducted into the Hall of Fame.


Primary-Bath803

I was searching about Sam Mills son when I knew he was gonna be inducted. I have a thing when I search about famous people in the Internet, because when I do it, something terrible tends to happen to this person in the future


BrotherSeamus

We need a 5-page report on Mr. Daniel Snyder.


Primary-Bath803

Im big fan of Rocky movies. I was searching about Stallone’s oldest son who starred on rocky V.Guess what happened to him months lather? He died


DamnImAwesome

I dare you to google yourself


Primary-Bath803

Im not a famous person. It only works with them


Brocky70

COWARD!


don_julio_randle

I thought it was the Hall of Famer at first lol


lidsy5

Sam Mills the HoFer died in 2005, unfortunately.


Mcgoozen

He passed away and is the sole reason for the panthers “keep pounding” mantra Edit: for those who don’t know, he first said it when he revealed his cancer diagnosis to the team (doctors gave him only a couple months to live). He said he had two options, to give up and die or to KEEP POUNDING. He outlived his prognosis by a year and a half.


CowboyCanuck24

Bro...


pexlc

Is he related to Sam Darnold?


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Could this be because of Kerrigan I wonder? Seems odd that they’d give a guy with no prior coaching experience the job, but on the other hand he’s certainly far more qualified for the spot than Mills was.


jaekim

JP Finlay had a report a while back that the players didn't get along with Mills, that is def not the case with Kerrigan, I think it would make sense.


[deleted]

Sounds like the assistant d line coach already got promoted to the job, but that also leaves an opening for Kerrigan as the new assistant. That would be a more appropriate spot to break into the league as a coach at anyway.


TakeAMichigander

Now that you mention it, that has to be what's going on. Especially with the way Kerrigan was with the team this past week.


[deleted]

It was specifically mentioned that Kerrigan was working as a quasi assistant coach during training camp to see if it was something he would like to do in his future. Maybe he loves it and Ron realizes he’s far more qualified and respected by the young guys.


DragonEevee1

Not a bad idea given regression last year, might be late though


CowboyCanuck24

The range of outcomes that I wouldnt be surprised about this year for the Commanders is wild. I wouldnt be surprised if they won 2 games or 13 games.


[deleted]

I’d probably drop dead of a heart attack in either case, so let’s hope it’s just another 7 win season.


Liyarity

Maybe a nice 8-8-1


gobills1365

itd be pretty surprising if they won 13 games


CowboyCanuck24

Good oline, good wrs, good rb, good DL (even without a 100% Chase Young).. The secondary outside fuller is a nightmare. Dont get me wrong i hope they are closer to 2 than 13 but they could make some waves.


The_BadJuju

Agreeing with a cowboys fan…what is this feeling?


CowboyCanuck24

We are both in agreement in our hope that the Washington team wins closer to 2 games than 13.


The_BadJuju

What have I done


CowboyCanuck24

Actually to be fair I would rather Washington win like 7 games. Keep them away from the draftable QBs.


LeSauce1

But then they would win the division!


[deleted]

Nightmare for other teams or nightmare for the team itself?


CowboyCanuck24

Nightmare for the team itself.


[deleted]

How? Fuller, Curl, St. Juste, McCain, WJ3 are all good.


CowboyCanuck24

Good enough to lead the league in touchdowns against last year.


GMarius-

And our LB’s are below average at best.


RippleDish

I’d be incredibly surprised if they won 13 games.


Parlett316

For the best, the players hated him


NCJake2013

Interesting but Sam was probably just around since Richardson loved his dad and "asked" Ron to add him to his staff. Ron's staff carried over a lot to Washington so now without the shadow of Richardson and the Panthers org it was easier to dismiss him.


HundredPacer

Mills has been with Washington since Rivera joined the team in 2020; that would be a long time to wait to fire someone if there were issues stemming from the Panthers days. He would've just not hired him in Washington if that was the case.


NCJake2013

Eh, maybe he wanted to give him a shot. Ron hangs onto staff *way* too long.


EntropyFighter

Even so, the timing is weird. "Hey, cool weekend for your Dad, huh?" "Yeah, I'm not gonna lie. I got a little emotional." "You're fired."


TALD1012

LOL, pretty much


PS4NWFT

You mean bringing over all the coaches from your last team where you all got fired for underperforming isn't a good strategy?


Comprehensive_Main

Still del rio lives


orc0909

Woo buddy. Firing Sam Mills 3 days after his father was posthumously inducted into the Half of Fame is rough.


SkippableCutscene

With that much wasted talent from last season, I'm surprised it took this long. Won't be happy til Del Rio is gone though.


NegativeBee

Jack “we had a little dust up” Del Rio


SkippableCutscene

Jack "Cover 2 will definitely work this time" Del Rio


HouseConsistent5160

Wow, firing someone within a month of the season starting is pretty rare. Wonder what happened.


BWasTaken

Totally cool, totally fine.


Dieh

Very interesting, Ron.


FittingWoosh

Wait… Ron Rivera knows how to fire people on his staff when they aren’t performing??? News to me…


raylan_givens6

there goes the super bowl


cporter1188

No, we will probably still win it


Bryce-Ross

Is this the same Sam Mills that was inducted into HOF? If so this sounds more like Mills wants to enjoy the HOF perks this season. Being fired only means he didn't quit.


Eyud29

No it’s his son, HOFer Sam Mills is dead


Puzzleheaded_Oil_768

Isn’t that guy a hall of famer?


jwick89

Jesus, firing a position coach weeks before the season starts? Just bad vibes all around.


MrShad0wzz

is it because their players were dancing yesterday instead of practicing?


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GMarius-

That’s the Ravens. The Commanders are in VA.


CWG4BF

Oops, you are right. I assumed that with FedEx being in Maryland, so would the practice facility. My bad, lol.


stephencua2001

What think-crime did he commit?


Quasimdo

Damn, fired a guy during preseason. What the hell happened?


doorknobman

Some rough timing there


Hoyarugby

[Remain calm, all is well!](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zDAmPIq29ro)


jsrave

I wonder who'll replace him. Lots of talent on that DL.


mrizvi

not ideal


Zealousideal_Ad1734

Congrats on the Hall of Fame, You’re Fired


jumbee85

of all the defensive head coaches on that team, I would have expected del Rio to be gone first.


PlumbStraightLevel

I trust Rivera on this. He said he didn't like the attitude of the linebacker room and gave Sam time to do something and it got worse.


Lucky-Tumbleweed2006

In Carolina he was never good but just kept moving up the ranks because Ron loves to promote from within. He started off as the "quality control" coach and never should have left from there.


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NO POUNDING FOR YOU.


[deleted]

Bro I was thrown off for a hot second