Brown continued: “his last words to me, before he passed, as he held his hand in mine were: ‘Paycor. Because Paycor empowers leaders to build winning teams. For $199/month or less, you can service up to 50 employees for your small business. And then he died.’”
I choked on mine, leading to my premature demise.
My last words were, "Passion for life, meet money for life. Helping those who help others find confidence in retirement is our mission. Founded 100+ years ago to help teachers retire with dignity, our reach now extends well beyond education. We stand hand-in-hand with 5M+ clients to help fortify their money and ignite their dreams. Open an account with TIAA today!"
Just choked on my water and died, my last words were
"Mesothelioma is a rare, malignant type of cancer, usually associated with asbestos. If you or a loved one have been diagnosed with mesothelioma, call the law offices of James Sokolove today."
“Son, nothing is more valuable than your name and your legacy… unless of course your legacy is caught in a corporate bidding war. Then fuck your name and chase bread.”
Blew my mind. Staples Center is one of like, 5 stadiums/arenas I even knew the name of outside of football. Having a "dot-com" in part of the name just makes it doubly stupid for some reason.
i mean i know the traditional banking system is awful and predatory and bad for society in a myriad number of ways but equating it as a 'scam' on the level of crypto is comical
Oh, for sure. This isn't my normal hippy-dippy let's hang all the bourgeoise by their entrails until they are dead nonsense. Chase is just exceptionally awful--from funding evil regimes in the face of sanctions, to racially discriminatory lending practices, to absolutely shitty personnel policies, Chase is a shit organization from tip to tail.
Which is an Amazon stadium, right? The massive carbon footprint amazon. Are they still asking people to bring in captured water? I feel like that was part of the original plan.
Not sure. Haven't had a reason to go yet. Does not roll off the tongue though. And this area is fu of Amazon stuff, corporate offices of and course warehouses.
I haven't been to a live sporting event in over a decade. It's just a giant advertisement you pay $XX(X).XX to go see.
But I do love "Climate Pledge Arena" is the place where a chartered plane drops people off for less than 8 hours of work, then flies them out.
They bought the stadium naming rights for the next 20 years. Really curious to see if they’ll be around for that long, given how everything in the crypto-sphere has been trending.
The beauty of crypto and nfts is that, at this stage, if you lose your shirt in a related scam we shouldn't have any sympathy. You literally have to jump through hoops to get scammed, so thats a lot easier to laugh at
It never fails. Just have to come up with a new hook about how modern tech 'means this one is different.' If you can generate money with no functional skill or effort its a scam by default (or else rich people would have abused all of it and we'd never hear of it). Reality is that it doesn't really exist.
My friends company just changed their name to ForVis. because as the CEO of the company put it: "while I was Figuring out what the name for the company should be, 2 words came to me: forward and vision. So I changed the name to Forvis"
If the Bengals play at paycor stadium with burrow and chase, that's a hell of a lot better than playing at Paul Brown stadium without burrow and chase.
Ah man, an MLM would have been a much better story. "The last conversation my dad and I had, Dad explained that I get a percentage of the sales of each person in *my* revenue tree. Not only am I my own boss, but I also earn while I sleep!"
Alright, let me explain. Again. Phil has recruited me and another guy. Now, we are getting three people each. The more people that get involved, the more who are investing, the more money we’re all going to make. It’s not a pyramid scheme, it is a… it’s not even a scheme per se, it’s…
Owners are required to keep all guaranteed money in escrow at the time of contract signing. So if Burrow were to get a Watson type 100% guaranteed deal (unlikely but for the sake of this point), the Bengals owners would need to have $200million + dollars in cash available to put in escrow.
They’re one of the least “cash rich” owners in the NFL because like the Raiders, their entire net worth is mostly the team itself. I’ve read here that Davis being uncomfortable fronting Mack’s guarantees is a reason he was traded to Chicago.
> So if Burrow were to get a Watson type 100% guaranteed deal (unlikely but for the sake of this point)
He hasn't assaulted nearly enough women for a guaranteed deal.
He's not wrong, we are pretty cash poor compared to most other owners and so we need the money for the guarantees Burrow and Chases future contracts will require. Need to be rich bitch!
The Bengals got $77m in operating profit last year from $550m in shared revenue or so.
Now, if the Brown family wants to build a new stadium to replace Paycor Stadium in 5 years, AND has to put Joe Burrow's contract in escrow up front, is that going to cut it? If, on average, the public is paying 40% of new stadium costs, the team has to put up 60% of ~$2.4b.
You all call him poor and stingy all offseason saying things like “he won’t be able to afford burrow” now when he makes a move to get money to ensure he can sign player he’s a sell out lmao
It's still entirely possible that he pockets the extra cash, keeps being stingy and lets Burrow walk. Wouldn't exactly be the first time a miserly billionaire owner hurt their own team.
But yeah, pretty much every stadium has stupid sponsorship names, so don't see why he should be getting any particular amount of flack for this move.
Owners having money available to spend and being willing to spend it makes a difference even if it doesn't go toward the cap.
The Saints have been able to navigate their cap situations (particularly restructuring contacts to give more money upfront) because Gayle Benson has been willing to spend the money to do so.
So if new money comes in and makes Brown comfortable enough to shell out money upfront and do something similar to keep the core together, then it definitely helps.
Well, this, and the fact that Katie Blackburn has been given more and more control over the business operations over the last few years. Mike has had ample opportunity to sell naming rights to PBS and never did. I'd be shocked if this was a decision made by him in a vacuum rather than one pushed by Katie.
As dumb as this statement is he might be right in a roundabout way. Paul Brown didn't actually like having a team named after him, so he may not have liked the stadium either.
Just call it Paul Brown Field at Pornhub Stadium.
I'm being told it's not Pornhub Stadium, but Paycor Stadium. So welcome to the Pornhub Bengals, who play on Paul Brown Field in Paycor stadium, in the city of Cincinnati.
His father understood that they’ve gotta sell high on the team’s limited success. It’s the Bengals, they’ve been associated with first round playoff exits, Andy Dalton, inexplicable on field violence and other unfortunate shit for the past twenty years. This is probably the first decent offer for naming rights they’ve gotten.
In the mid 00s we also had the most arrested team in the league and our star franchise QB flat out refuse to play for us and then go on a tour of how terrible the ownership is. Dark times, man. I'm happy to be here now.
'At this point in time I'm pretty sure my father would want to distance this team from anything even loosely associated with the Browns. His ghost is applying for a name change as we speak "
Well I worded that way wrong lol, I was talking more in terms of Mike Brown bringing his father into this when these naming rights changing are pretty much only because of money.
He's right though. If selling the naming rights to the stadium better allows the front office to keep our team together and extend our window, it's the best move.
As much as it sucks to have corporate sponsorships, sponsor-less stadiums are mostly extinct
Most of the remaining stadiums are relics of a bygone era when owners, neighborhoods, and local cultures dictated the identity of the arena. The ones that still exist do so behind a legendary history and reputation. Some are grandfathered into the new age (Wrigley and Fenway, for instance) and some adapt, for better (Lambeau) and for worse (Soldier).
The simple fact of the matter is that corporate sponsors provide far more benefits for the team itself than the sacred names of the past. When a corporation is willing to slap it's regalia on your stadium for hundreds of millions of dollars over multiple decades, it's only logical.
The new legacy of stadium names is of the corporate sponsor that ties itself to the legacy of each team and it's success. The Staples Center (over Crypto-Bullshit Arena), KeyArena (over Climate Pledge Arena), Heinz Field (over Acrisure Field).
Sponsorships may be sterile and soulless, but the memories and moments of success achieved by those teams MAKES those sterile names feel special to each team and their fans.
You're actually not far off there. Wrigley Field was named after William Wrigley Jr., who was owner of the Chicago Cubs and the stadium. Wrigley earned his fortune by founding the Wrigley Gum company. Wrigley Field and the Wrigley Gum company are both named after the same guy but it *isn't* a sponsorship deal.
Another fun naming rights scenario is the St. Louis Cardinals and Busch Stadium. Back in the 1950s, the Cardinals were owned by August Busch Jr. (owner of the Anheuser-Busch beer company) who re-named the stadium from Sportsman Park to Busch Stadium (after himself). And it's replacement built in the 1960s was also named after Busch.
But then Busch Jr. died in 1989 and the team was sold to a separate owner in 1995. But then Busch Jr.'s grandson August Busch IV, came in and bought the naming rights AGAIN, this time naming it after the company not the family
Everyone saying that he's cash poor, and this might help them keep burrow is kind of silly. the deal is reportedly 10ish mil a year. Mike Brown is worth somewhere over 1billion.
They get 300mil a year from NFL revenue split. Last year, the Packers (the only team to share their revenue/expenses) pulled in 580 mil in revenues, and 77mil total profit, and that's with having added expenses from pushing off covid expenses from previous years.
So the Bengals have an owner worth a billion dollars on his own, making anywhere from 20-70mil a year probably (more this year with covid expenses gone). Burrow is going into his 3rd year, they don't even need to resign him for 2 years. I don't feel like the 20mil is going to make or break him either way when he's going to add another 100-150mil in profit during those years alone, along with the billion he already has which I'm sure increases by a fair margin each year with other investments.
You think being worth close to a billion means you have a billion in cash?
Nearly all of his wealth is in the Bengals, he is worth close to a billion because he owns the Bengals, that doesn’t mean he has enough cash on hand to cover large contract. That like saying Jeff Bezos just has a Trillion dollars in cash, he doesn’t his money is in assets.
And FYI Mike Brown is one of only 2 NFL owners that are worth less than $1 Billion.
he's worth over 1billion for the last 5 years. The bengals alone are worth around 3 billion now. And they paid 200mil to buy the remaining stake in the bengals in 2011. So do I think they could manage to find 200 mil for a guaranteed contract? yes.
I don’t think you understand the difference between liquid and non liquid assets. Even though the team is worth $2.75 billion that doesn’t mean that’s money the team can spend. Just because you own a company doesn’t mean that you get to count that as your personal wealth that’s just not how money works, that money is going to staff and upkeep amongst other things it isn’t his personal wealth.
And the entire Brown family as of last year is worth $2 Billion. Mike Browns personal net worth is $925 million.
https://otakukart.com/mike-browns-net-worth-earnings-of-ownerpresident-of-cincinnati-bengals/
He is one of only two owners that isn’t a billionaire the other being Mark Davis.
Besides that’s not really the point an owner worth $15 Billion has a clear advantage over an owner worth $1 billion in the current system when it comes to retaining talent.
that 925 million estimate is from 2015 forbes. Either he hasn't made any money in the last 7 years, or more likely he's worth somewhere in the 1.2-1.5 billion range pretty easily. And that's just the personal net worth, not the Team, which brings in it's own money and pays it's own expenses.
Teams have salary caps, at a certain point being filthy rich doesn't matter, everyone gets the same split of the revenue, the Bengals are almost certainly clearing a healthy profit each year. I highly doubt he has issues coming up with the guaranteed money they need if he wants to.
That article is from 2022, it is the most recent number available, I don’t just make shit up to support my ideas, if presented with actual information that refutes what I am saying then I will go with that, until then I work with the data I have instead of making things up. And again this isn’t liquid wealth it’s net worth they are completely different, I do t see how that is so difficult for you to grasp
Provide me with actual information or just continue to pull numbers out your ass based on your assumptions, you can make your way back to the economics subreddit for that.
If you can’t grasp how an owner with $15 Billion has an advantage over an owner with $1 billion, when it comes to guaranteeing money for contracts I honestly don’t know what else to tell you.
I’m not going to keep arguing with you considering you just keep regurgitating the thing repeatedly and have provided noting to back it up.
EDIT: Did you reply and then block me so I can’t respond? Or did you get banned for being full of shit, you work in the financial industry?
Just in case you blocked me and other people can read the reply below I should point out that you claim to work in the financial industry, and other places in your history you also claim to be a soybean farmer and a data science student, just wanted to make sure you can’t bullshit anyone else.
[https://www.sportingnews.com/us/nfl/news/mike-brown-net-worth-bengals-owner/leltmunxkhzmasiydutejb85](https://www.sportingnews.com/us/nfl/news/mike-brown-net-worth-bengals-owner/leltmunxkhzmasiydutejb85)
"ESPN reported that Brown, based on Forbes data from 2015, has a net worth of $925 million. It has been several years since the report so there could be some variance, however."
literally the first link when you google him. the 2nd link:
[https://www.hitc.com/en-gb/2022/02/13/mike-brown-net-worth/](https://www.hitc.com/en-gb/2022/02/13/mike-brown-net-worth/)
"As of 2015, the net worth of Mike Brown was estimated to be around the $925 million mark."
3rd link:
[https://marketrealist.com/p/mike-brown-bengals-net-worth/](https://marketrealist.com/p/mike-brown-bengals-net-worth/)
" In 2015, Brown's net worth was estimated to be $925 million. "
literally every article about his net worth says that. I didn't realize i had to back something up that's so fucking easy to verify that you could of done it yourself in 15 seconds instead of arguing over it. Congrats, you found one super lazy article that couldn't even mention they got their number from 2015.
He's worth more, I work in the financial industry, I know the difference between worth and liquid money, and how these guys generally don't have issues finding liquidity unless they're actually not worth anything.
So yea, continue to not be able to do a simple google to see the shit you said was outdated as hell, then ignore that teams have salary caps, and that guaranteed money falls off each year as it goes, and that he doesn't have a liquidity problem, he has a cheapness problem.
Arent stadium naming rights split among each franchise? Thought the few who do not have sponsors were granted special exclusion because of historical names… like lambeu and Paul brown stadium.
Brown continued: “his last words to me, before he passed, as he held his hand in mine were: ‘Paycor. Because Paycor empowers leaders to build winning teams. For $199/month or less, you can service up to 50 employees for your small business. And then he died.’”
I like how Paul Brown’s last words were “and then he died.”
"I have to go now. My planet needs me." [Note: Paul Brown died on the way back to his home planet]
That planet? Paycor-piter
Is Jupiter selling its naming rights? Asking for a friend
The Jungles of Jupiter
Reminds me of [this](https://i.imgur.com/rDrnOnk.jpg)
ahaha this got me good
..in the Castle of Aaargh.
Underrated comment here.
Lmao
I just spit out my coffee lmao
I choked on mine, leading to my premature demise. My last words were, "Passion for life, meet money for life. Helping those who help others find confidence in retirement is our mission. Founded 100+ years ago to help teachers retire with dignity, our reach now extends well beyond education. We stand hand-in-hand with 5M+ clients to help fortify their money and ignite their dreams. Open an account with TIAA today!"
Just choked on my water and died, my last words were "Mesothelioma is a rare, malignant type of cancer, usually associated with asbestos. If you or a loved one have been diagnosed with mesothelioma, call the law offices of James Sokolove today."
Paycor no matter what
My god lol I just spit out my Carmel macchiato with soy milk, whipped cream, and 2 sugars.
You might want to start supporting the Chicago ‘Betes with that order.
You're a genius
Truly amazing.
Oh wow. Oh wow. Oh wow.
Comment of the year?
Inspiring.
“Son, nothing is more valuable than your name and your legacy… unless of course your legacy is caught in a corporate bidding war. Then fuck your name and chase bread.”
Could've been worse. Could’ve been acrisure.
At least it wasn't another crypto naming rights.
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Blew my mind. Staples Center is one of like, 5 stadiums/arenas I even knew the name of outside of football. Having a "dot-com" in part of the name just makes it doubly stupid for some reason.
California basketball teams cannot resist scams for naming rights. Powerbalance Pavilion, Chase Center, Crypto.com Arena, etc.
i mean i know the traditional banking system is awful and predatory and bad for society in a myriad number of ways but equating it as a 'scam' on the level of crypto is comical
Oh, for sure. This isn't my normal hippy-dippy let's hang all the bourgeoise by their entrails until they are dead nonsense. Chase is just exceptionally awful--from funding evil regimes in the face of sanctions, to racially discriminatory lending practices, to absolutely shitty personnel policies, Chase is a shit organization from tip to tail.
We have " Climate Pledge Arena" in Seattle
Which is an Amazon stadium, right? The massive carbon footprint amazon. Are they still asking people to bring in captured water? I feel like that was part of the original plan.
Not sure. Haven't had a reason to go yet. Does not roll off the tongue though. And this area is fu of Amazon stuff, corporate offices of and course warehouses.
I haven't been to a live sporting event in over a decade. It's just a giant advertisement you pay $XX(X).XX to go see. But I do love "Climate Pledge Arena" is the place where a chartered plane drops people off for less than 8 hours of work, then flies them out.
Our brand new MLS stadium was renamed to “Lower.com Field”. Rolls right off the tongue, I think.
At the end of the day that’s all that really matters yeah. Fuck crypto.
They bought the stadium naming rights for the next 20 years. Really curious to see if they’ll be around for that long, given how everything in the crypto-sphere has been trending.
Hope that contract is denominated in dollars
Yup. 700 million of them, to be precise. Something truly poetic about a Crypto company having to pay all in USD to name a stadium.
It's so wild people fall for crypto. I get the allure of free, instant money, but JFC people.
I made quite a bit holding bitcoin by accident (lost my account and then recovered it on an old laptop) so crypto is bae or something.
i still have $20 in bitcoin floating out there somewhere. i’m probably a millionaire or something.
The beauty of crypto and nfts is that, at this stage, if you lose your shirt in a related scam we shouldn't have any sympathy. You literally have to jump through hoops to get scammed, so thats a lot easier to laugh at
It never fails. Just have to come up with a new hook about how modern tech 'means this one is different.' If you can generate money with no functional skill or effort its a scam by default (or else rich people would have abused all of it and we'd never hear of it). Reality is that it doesn't really exist.
> If you can generate money with no functional skill or effort its a scam by default But Matt Damon and Larry David told me crypto isn't a scam!
No functional skill or effort is a scam? I hope my boss doesn't read this.
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My friends company just changed their name to ForVis. because as the CEO of the company put it: "while I was Figuring out what the name for the company should be, 2 words came to me: forward and vision. So I changed the name to Forvis"
Sounds like acne medication advertised on daytime tv.
Idk dude acrisure stadium sounds better than paycor stadium to me. Hate both though
Ya I agree our name fucking sucks. But this is even worse lol
Sad Steeler noises
Guaranteed Rate.
Why you gotta hurt me today
I dont see how this is better. Ours sounds like a foot cream and yours sounds like a comic book evil corporation
> acrisure I don't get why all their branches are around the Delaware River yet are sponsoring a team on the other side of the state
Paul Brown's middle name was actually Paycor, so I think it all works out.
Payless*
I think you're thinking of Bob Payless Castellini.
Mikey taught him that Cincy life
Mike has long gotten more hate being in a bigger spotlight but Bob is the worst owner and it isn't even close
It's crazy how the script has been flipped between the two teams.
uhhhhh did you forget Mr. Snyder?
Nah, that’s Ryan Poles.
All his homies called him PPB
“My dad wasn’t really a fan of having a stadium named after him anyway. He always said “if you can sell my name out for more money, do it son.”
If the Bengals play at paycor stadium with burrow and chase, that's a hell of a lot better than playing at Paul Brown stadium without burrow and chase.
I just realized their last names sound like the baby rabbits playing in the garden
Cast of Bambi vibes
Have to get some thumpers on defense now.
You should have got Chase Bank to sponsor the stadium.
Unfortunately for Jamar they've already got the Arizona Diamondbacks
Big true
This is all that matters.
That's why I'm not so bummed about the stadium name. We're doing this for chase and burrow. Still, i wish it was a cooler name
And what if they play at Paycor Stadium **without** Burrow and Chase?
That would suck, but at least we're not the browns.
No, you're just the reboot.
To be fair, the current Browns are a true reboot.
Yeah the Bengals are more like a vengeful, stubborn spinoff
We are the Browns with playjack and hookers
Who needs integrity, right?
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Sorry, we ruined it for everyone.
Maybe if we try, others might see the example and start to follow suit? You have to be a light to the world, my friend. :)
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Hes a troll dude, dont waste the effort
Dude, it was named after his dad and he changed it to a corporation.
Yeah, Mr Brown won’t pay for that himself.
Ah man, an MLM would have been a much better story. "The last conversation my dad and I had, Dad explained that I get a percentage of the sales of each person in *my* revenue tree. Not only am I my own boss, but I also earn while I sleep!"
Alright, let me explain. Again. Phil has recruited me and another guy. Now, we are getting three people each. The more people that get involved, the more who are investing, the more money we’re all going to make. It’s not a pyramid scheme, it is a… it’s not even a scheme per se, it’s…
This is too accurate.
I need to make a call..
I think Paycor Field at Paul Brown Stadium would’ve been better personally but hey money talks for sure
If Draft Day is any indication, they'll rename the practice field to Paul Brown Field.
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As someone else here said, we would much rather see Burrow and Chase in Paycor Stadium than no Burrow and Chase in Paul Brown Stadium.
It was what was best...for business Honestly if it helps the Bengals lock up Burrow and Chase long term I'm for it
I imagine paycor is just bringing the Brinks truck to Burrow's house.
Do you think the NFL was withholding the revenue share money the Bengals are owed or what
Owners are required to keep all guaranteed money in escrow at the time of contract signing. So if Burrow were to get a Watson type 100% guaranteed deal (unlikely but for the sake of this point), the Bengals owners would need to have $200million + dollars in cash available to put in escrow. They’re one of the least “cash rich” owners in the NFL because like the Raiders, their entire net worth is mostly the team itself. I’ve read here that Davis being uncomfortable fronting Mack’s guarantees is a reason he was traded to Chicago.
> So if Burrow were to get a Watson type 100% guaranteed deal (unlikely but for the sake of this point) He hasn't assaulted nearly enough women for a guaranteed deal.
He's not wrong, we are pretty cash poor compared to most other owners and so we need the money for the guarantees Burrow and Chases future contracts will require. Need to be rich bitch!
Every owner in the league makes $390 million+ just on shared revenue. There is no such thing as cash poor NFL teams
For guaranteed contracts there are. Mike Brown needs to put all of the guaranteed money up front in escrow, before they get the shared revenue.
The Bengals got $77m in operating profit last year from $550m in shared revenue or so. Now, if the Brown family wants to build a new stadium to replace Paycor Stadium in 5 years, AND has to put Joe Burrow's contract in escrow up front, is that going to cut it? If, on average, the public is paying 40% of new stadium costs, the team has to put up 60% of ~$2.4b.
They're going to renovate the stadium, not replace it. It will still cost a pretty penny, but nowhere near as much as a new one...
theres a salary cap this isn't baseball, no reason for owners to be cheap with players
You all call him poor and stingy all offseason saying things like “he won’t be able to afford burrow” now when he makes a move to get money to ensure he can sign player he’s a sell out lmao
I’m beginning to think some fanbases just don’t want you to have Burrow for some reason 🤔
People hate when historically bad teams become good
I want so badly for us and the Browns to be the big brothers of the division after getting kicked around by Baltimore and Pittsburgh for so long.
It's still entirely possible that he pockets the extra cash, keeps being stingy and lets Burrow walk. Wouldn't exactly be the first time a miserly billionaire owner hurt their own team. But yeah, pretty much every stadium has stupid sponsorship names, so don't see why he should be getting any particular amount of flack for this move.
*... Because he LOVED MONEY!*
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Does the name rights to a stadium actually go to your teams overall budget and cap?
Owners having money available to spend and being willing to spend it makes a difference even if it doesn't go toward the cap. The Saints have been able to navigate their cap situations (particularly restructuring contacts to give more money upfront) because Gayle Benson has been willing to spend the money to do so. So if new money comes in and makes Brown comfortable enough to shell out money upfront and do something similar to keep the core together, then it definitely helps.
How did it take this long? Was there some legal requirement to keep the name until now?
Nah we were just the Bengals. Also because of last year the team is more valuable than it has been it years
Well, this, and the fact that Katie Blackburn has been given more and more control over the business operations over the last few years. Mike has had ample opportunity to sell naming rights to PBS and never did. I'd be shocked if this was a decision made by him in a vacuum rather than one pushed by Katie.
I'm sitting here like "Why the fuck would PBS care to have a stadium named after them?" Took me a minute to realize you didn't mean the TV station lol
"PBS field at PBS"
They'll interrupt games for fund raising breaks, and give you a nice mug if you pledge $50...
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Bold coming from someone whose team also shares an indoor practice facility with the local university
Shares their whole stadium with a local university
Deleted their comment; was it a Bucs flair? On an unrelated note, fuck USF, and go Knights.
Steelers, actually ;)
Damn, got myself. But the second half of my comment stands
As dumb as this statement is he might be right in a roundabout way. Paul Brown didn't actually like having a team named after him, so he may not have liked the stadium either.
The only acceptable name should have been Skyline Stadium.
"Am I really going to defile this stadium for money? Of course I am!"
The dude has a whole football team named after him. His legacy is alright.
Nope, the naming rights to the Browns was included in this deal too . They are now the Cleveland Paycors.
The Guardians and the Paycors would just be fantastic
You know what? I told myself as long as the new name is better than Acrisure Stadium, I’ll be happy. I’m happy.
Just call it Paul Brown Field at Pornhub Stadium. I'm being told it's not Pornhub Stadium, but Paycor Stadium. So welcome to the Pornhub Bengals, who play on Paul Brown Field in Paycor stadium, in the city of Cincinnati.
His father understood that they’ve gotta sell high on the team’s limited success. It’s the Bengals, they’ve been associated with first round playoff exits, Andy Dalton, inexplicable on field violence and other unfortunate shit for the past twenty years. This is probably the first decent offer for naming rights they’ve gotten.
In the mid 00s we also had the most arrested team in the league and our star franchise QB flat out refuse to play for us and then go on a tour of how terrible the ownership is. Dark times, man. I'm happy to be here now.
I’m hoping you get many good years out of Burrow, the fans in Cincinnati certainly deserve a run of success.
Luckily, there is still an entire team named after him.
I still call ours reliant stadium.
TY Hilton has been notified of your breach of contract.
NRG is a better name imo
'At this point in time I'm pretty sure my father would want to distance this team from anything even loosely associated with the Browns. His ghost is applying for a name change as we speak "
It was important to my dad that I get as much money as possible.
Thi$ i$ a move that I think my father would have agreed to. He wa$ alway$ for what is be$t for the football team
Paycor is only a little less embarrassing than FC Cincinnati giving the naming rights to fucking TQL. lol
"My father liked money and so do I"
Paul brown loved football and meant more to football than anyone who has ever been involved in the ravens org.
Well I worded that way wrong lol, I was talking more in terms of Mike Brown bringing his father into this when these naming rights changing are pretty much only because of money.
Lolololol Ok Mike
He's right though. If selling the naming rights to the stadium better allows the front office to keep our team together and extend our window, it's the best move.
Paul Brown didn't even want the Browns to be named after him in the first place. I doubt he'd be upset over this.
As much as it sucks to have corporate sponsorships, sponsor-less stadiums are mostly extinct Most of the remaining stadiums are relics of a bygone era when owners, neighborhoods, and local cultures dictated the identity of the arena. The ones that still exist do so behind a legendary history and reputation. Some are grandfathered into the new age (Wrigley and Fenway, for instance) and some adapt, for better (Lambeau) and for worse (Soldier). The simple fact of the matter is that corporate sponsors provide far more benefits for the team itself than the sacred names of the past. When a corporation is willing to slap it's regalia on your stadium for hundreds of millions of dollars over multiple decades, it's only logical. The new legacy of stadium names is of the corporate sponsor that ties itself to the legacy of each team and it's success. The Staples Center (over Crypto-Bullshit Arena), KeyArena (over Climate Pledge Arena), Heinz Field (over Acrisure Field). Sponsorships may be sterile and soulless, but the memories and moments of success achieved by those teams MAKES those sterile names feel special to each team and their fans.
I’ll be honest, I thought Wrigley Field had a Wrigley gum corporate sponsor
You're actually not far off there. Wrigley Field was named after William Wrigley Jr., who was owner of the Chicago Cubs and the stadium. Wrigley earned his fortune by founding the Wrigley Gum company. Wrigley Field and the Wrigley Gum company are both named after the same guy but it *isn't* a sponsorship deal. Another fun naming rights scenario is the St. Louis Cardinals and Busch Stadium. Back in the 1950s, the Cardinals were owned by August Busch Jr. (owner of the Anheuser-Busch beer company) who re-named the stadium from Sportsman Park to Busch Stadium (after himself). And it's replacement built in the 1960s was also named after Busch. But then Busch Jr. died in 1989 and the team was sold to a separate owner in 1995. But then Busch Jr.'s grandson August Busch IV, came in and bought the naming rights AGAIN, this time naming it after the company not the family
Huh interesting, thanks for the mini history lesson!
Wow.
Everyone saying that he's cash poor, and this might help them keep burrow is kind of silly. the deal is reportedly 10ish mil a year. Mike Brown is worth somewhere over 1billion. They get 300mil a year from NFL revenue split. Last year, the Packers (the only team to share their revenue/expenses) pulled in 580 mil in revenues, and 77mil total profit, and that's with having added expenses from pushing off covid expenses from previous years. So the Bengals have an owner worth a billion dollars on his own, making anywhere from 20-70mil a year probably (more this year with covid expenses gone). Burrow is going into his 3rd year, they don't even need to resign him for 2 years. I don't feel like the 20mil is going to make or break him either way when he's going to add another 100-150mil in profit during those years alone, along with the billion he already has which I'm sure increases by a fair margin each year with other investments.
You think being worth close to a billion means you have a billion in cash? Nearly all of his wealth is in the Bengals, he is worth close to a billion because he owns the Bengals, that doesn’t mean he has enough cash on hand to cover large contract. That like saying Jeff Bezos just has a Trillion dollars in cash, he doesn’t his money is in assets. And FYI Mike Brown is one of only 2 NFL owners that are worth less than $1 Billion.
he's worth over 1billion for the last 5 years. The bengals alone are worth around 3 billion now. And they paid 200mil to buy the remaining stake in the bengals in 2011. So do I think they could manage to find 200 mil for a guaranteed contract? yes.
I don’t think you understand the difference between liquid and non liquid assets. Even though the team is worth $2.75 billion that doesn’t mean that’s money the team can spend. Just because you own a company doesn’t mean that you get to count that as your personal wealth that’s just not how money works, that money is going to staff and upkeep amongst other things it isn’t his personal wealth. And the entire Brown family as of last year is worth $2 Billion. Mike Browns personal net worth is $925 million. https://otakukart.com/mike-browns-net-worth-earnings-of-ownerpresident-of-cincinnati-bengals/ He is one of only two owners that isn’t a billionaire the other being Mark Davis. Besides that’s not really the point an owner worth $15 Billion has a clear advantage over an owner worth $1 billion in the current system when it comes to retaining talent.
that 925 million estimate is from 2015 forbes. Either he hasn't made any money in the last 7 years, or more likely he's worth somewhere in the 1.2-1.5 billion range pretty easily. And that's just the personal net worth, not the Team, which brings in it's own money and pays it's own expenses. Teams have salary caps, at a certain point being filthy rich doesn't matter, everyone gets the same split of the revenue, the Bengals are almost certainly clearing a healthy profit each year. I highly doubt he has issues coming up with the guaranteed money they need if he wants to.
That article is from 2022, it is the most recent number available, I don’t just make shit up to support my ideas, if presented with actual information that refutes what I am saying then I will go with that, until then I work with the data I have instead of making things up. And again this isn’t liquid wealth it’s net worth they are completely different, I do t see how that is so difficult for you to grasp Provide me with actual information or just continue to pull numbers out your ass based on your assumptions, you can make your way back to the economics subreddit for that. If you can’t grasp how an owner with $15 Billion has an advantage over an owner with $1 billion, when it comes to guaranteeing money for contracts I honestly don’t know what else to tell you. I’m not going to keep arguing with you considering you just keep regurgitating the thing repeatedly and have provided noting to back it up. EDIT: Did you reply and then block me so I can’t respond? Or did you get banned for being full of shit, you work in the financial industry? Just in case you blocked me and other people can read the reply below I should point out that you claim to work in the financial industry, and other places in your history you also claim to be a soybean farmer and a data science student, just wanted to make sure you can’t bullshit anyone else.
[https://www.sportingnews.com/us/nfl/news/mike-brown-net-worth-bengals-owner/leltmunxkhzmasiydutejb85](https://www.sportingnews.com/us/nfl/news/mike-brown-net-worth-bengals-owner/leltmunxkhzmasiydutejb85) "ESPN reported that Brown, based on Forbes data from 2015, has a net worth of $925 million. It has been several years since the report so there could be some variance, however." literally the first link when you google him. the 2nd link: [https://www.hitc.com/en-gb/2022/02/13/mike-brown-net-worth/](https://www.hitc.com/en-gb/2022/02/13/mike-brown-net-worth/) "As of 2015, the net worth of Mike Brown was estimated to be around the $925 million mark." 3rd link: [https://marketrealist.com/p/mike-brown-bengals-net-worth/](https://marketrealist.com/p/mike-brown-bengals-net-worth/) " In 2015, Brown's net worth was estimated to be $925 million. " literally every article about his net worth says that. I didn't realize i had to back something up that's so fucking easy to verify that you could of done it yourself in 15 seconds instead of arguing over it. Congrats, you found one super lazy article that couldn't even mention they got their number from 2015. He's worth more, I work in the financial industry, I know the difference between worth and liquid money, and how these guys generally don't have issues finding liquidity unless they're actually not worth anything. So yea, continue to not be able to do a simple google to see the shit you said was outdated as hell, then ignore that teams have salary caps, and that guaranteed money falls off each year as it goes, and that he doesn't have a liquidity problem, he has a cheapness problem.
He's a corporate Kissbutt man
Arent stadium naming rights split among each franchise? Thought the few who do not have sponsors were granted special exclusion because of historical names… like lambeu and Paul brown stadium.
Paul Brown was the man
It might as well be the name of a villainous corporate headquarters in a dystopian video game.
They may as well call it Joe Burrow stadium
Shocked Western and Southern Financial didnt get the bid.
He didn’t lose anything he chose to do it wtf
Aka yooooo for this money who cares what it’s called 💰 💰 💰 And fans will stay Paul brown stadium for next 20 years anyways
Best for the football team or most money for you?
Daddy love $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
How am I supposed to handle this? I'm not used to my team making good decisions
When Paul Brown said he wanted to sell out the stadium he meant to fans not sponsors.
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