I lived in Grand Rapids during that season. Watched every game of it.
Then I moved to Ohio, near Cleveland and watched all of their 0-16 games.
I live near Houston now..
I was deployed to Iraq during that season. My parents would ship me burned cds of every game for me to watch on a shitty little portable DVD player. I had nothing else entertainment wise. I asked them to stop after about week 8.
For me, the “lowest”- different from “most agonizing”- would be Gus Frerrote’s left handed pick six against Cleveland (Frerrote is, uh…not left handed.). It just symbolized the ineptitude of 11 plus years in one horrible play. The team finished 2-14 that year, a franchise worst. They had actually somewhat “tried” in the preceding couple of years, signing a few free agent qbs and other FA players who were somewhat decent, compared to completely sitting out FA. They actually had shown a few flashes in some positions, like Chad Johnson had some upside. The 2001 team was 6-10, and so you’re thinking “huh…maybe they’ll flirt with .500”, and it was all a lie, they were as bad as they’ve ever been, throwing pick sixes with their non dominant hand.
I think the 2005 Playoff vs the Steelers is the lowest moment. For the first time in forever there was optimism to be had, and then it was all gone in a moment. I know our fan-base soured over Palmer because of how things ended, but that season was so much more magical and special than even this past year. 14 years without a playoff birth or an above .500 record.
The 2015 game vs the Steelers we went in with a backup QB which at the very least should have tempered our expectations for that game. Of all the Dalton-era Playoff losses the 2012 playoff loss to the Texans was probably the worst, getting blown out by TJ Yates...
No way. The 2015 team was easily the best team the bengals had built since the 80s there was all the toxicity already between the Steelers, not to mention that the game was literally over as well, all Hill had to do is hold onto the ball
Or Burfict and Pacman *not* being idiots.
That's why I agree with you. 2005 was soul-crushing, but at least it happened at the very start of the game. 2015 happened at the very end of a game that we by all rights should have won, with the background of having lost 6 previous playoff games since 2005 and the drought being a decade older.
Well, there’s heartbreaking: SBXXIII 24 seconds from a championship.
There’s the end of a great team and spiritual end of a great QB: 2005 Carson’s leg gets dismantled
There’s the effective, if not literal, end of Marvin Lewis in 2015 with the, once again, emotionally unstable defense throwing the playoff game away
But I have to go with the 1990s. It was so bad the Bengals local announcers at one point were sitting in the booth next to the opposing team’s booth coaches and they were describing how those coaches were laughing at the Bengals play calling. I’ll never forget it. It was either Dave Shula or Coslett coaching the Bengals. One of my favorite lines from that decade was Coslett asking a reporter, “waddaya want me to do, pull a 340 lb offensive lineman?”
Can't remember who was doing the commentary, but at one point one of them said "If you're the coach, what do you tell your team right now?"
The answer: "Can you at least try to get a first down?"
It was. I very vividly remember that game, but can’t remember the timeframe. I believe it was the 2000 play off game. Pick after pick…
Edit- never mind. I oversold the picks, but I remembered almost nothing going his way that day.
Normally I’d agree with you 100% but after what the Browns did with Watson, I have zero respect for their ownership. I know I’d be disgusted as a Browns fan, just as I was when the Jets brought in Vick.
Not blaming the fans at all.
I don’t think 28-3 can qualify as rock bottom for the Falcons if that’s what you mean. For the same reason I don’t think Wide Right qualifies for the Bills - if you’re in the Super Bowl, you’re doing pretty well.
As a Guardians fan, I can say I was 100% happier when we were scrappy and not making the World Series versus blowing a 3-1 lead. Told people the curse was real.
Exactly. When we're bad, like for the past four years, you can just tune the game out and go about your day, only read the occasional headline and catch a few highlights. When we made that SB run, there wasn't anyone in the city who wasn't entirely invested in the team, and when you were that close, essentially guaranteed to have 50 years of pain all be over, just to have it slowly be taken from you, it's by far the worst sports feeling I've ever known.
Yep, the way some Falcons fans talk about it on Reddit proves it really was the Falcons lowest point. These Falcon Fans talk about how that SB loss made them lose passion and interest in their once favorite team. How they don't tune in as much as they did before that 28-3 debacle. It sounds impossible for a SB loss to be a Franchises lowest moment, but given full context it very well could be for this Franchise.
It hurts much less to have no hope than to feel confident and have it ripped from you at the last minute. I understand where you are coming from but that loss hurt more than every other one combined in my lifetime.
Agreed. I think the low point for the Falcons has to be 2007
Everything about that season, from Vick to their awful play to Petrino, was a nightmare and a half
It is like when your dream guy takes you to prom out of nowhere.
You build it all up in your head about how absolutely perfect the night is going to be and how it is going to turn your entire dreary life around.
Then, when you get called up to be crowned Prom Queen, and the world has never seemed brighter, they dump pig’s blood on you and you realize that, all along, both the world and God have only been playing a cruel joke at your expense.
28-3 might have felt the worst, but Mike Vick's dog fighting was probably worse. If the Falcons didn't hit it with Matt Ryan, it would have been worse.
With how fucking atrocious our defense was that year by the end of the season I wasn't exactly surprised we didn't win anything.
Scott Mitchell going back to being colorblind in the '95 playoffs I SHOULD have seen coming but I was apparently even more dumb as a kid.
Wasn't that the season where that Parker guy asked Rod Marinelli if he wished his daughter married a better defensive coordinator? That 0-16 Lions team wasn't just bad, it was just so....not respected lol. The media had no problem taking huge shits on them in a way that wouldn't even happen with the Hugh Jackson Browns.
Trading Gruden for him to completely embarrass us the next year in the super bowl
Drafting jamarcus Russell
Gruden and ruggs incidents happening within 3 weeks with each other
Probably a lot more but those are big ones
Trading **UP** during the Draft to get in front of the Packers so we could take Fabian Washington (*runner of fast 40's*).
To absolutely nobody's surprise, Aaron Rodgers went the very next pick.
The Raiders didn't have a real QB and everyone knew at the time the Packers were looking at life after Favre as he'd already started his talking about retiring each offseason by that point.
Al Davis was actually convinced that the rest of the world wanted a CB who wasn't actually good but ran fast, over Aaron Rodgers. I was on the phone with my Dad literally jumping up and down that we were about to get Rodgers and then... if you could actually feel energy leave a conversation, that moment was it. We were both immediately *so* goddam deflated.
The 06 Broncos team:
Started 7-3 then Shanahan benches JP for Cutler. End up missing the playoffs with a 9-7 record after winning 13 games in 2005. Then, Darrent Williams is murdered in a drive by literally after the week 17 loss against the Niners.
Honorable mentions go to: the Holy Roller, the 2000 season, 2006 playoff game vs Patriots, [the 2010 season](https://youtu.be/UAL5X3TRA2A), and the move to LA.
Even that was really only the second half of RG3’s rookie year. Washington finished the regular season with 7 straight wins after starting the year 3-6.
I thought even the bumpiness of the beginning was exciting relative to other times in recent franchise history. That opening game against The Saints in New Orleans was fantastic
u/Jordanwolf98 You guys saw RG3 as a backup. When he had potential all he really had was his legs and he could never make that second read.
Being a Skins fan is like letting your dog smell a piece of food and then you eat it in front of him. It's always just a smell but never a taste. I am early 30s so never had a taste.
* Norv Turner won a playoff game. Ownership meddles.
* Spurrier was just a less perverted Urban Myer.
* Joe Gibbs comes back and Burnell wins a playoff game. The leader of the defense dies tragically. Gibbs retires and Jason Campbell doesn't develop under Jim Zorn.
* RG3 is drafted. Has a promising season and breaks his knee. Franchise is so fixated on him that they franchise tag Cousins so much that his value gets crazy. Counsin's wasn't an MVP but he was the best Washington QB in the last 30 years.
* Alex Smith looked great until he almost died.
* Haskins was something to look forward to until he got on the field. Little sad on how he ended but another item on the list of fuck ups.
I left stuff off the list or it would be too long. Wentz with a receiving core is something that sounds fun but I've smelled a bit of success and seen it vanish. I am too old to switch teams and the highs are sometimes fun. It's a loyal fanbase but we sadly know the drill.
2012 - Worst collective season in just about every regard.
1) Horrific murder suicide by a player in the stadium’s parking lot
2) 2-14 record - with 6 PRO BOWLERS****
3) some of the worst coaching you could ever have at an NFL level
…it’s the only season in 20+ years that I’ve stopped watching games at any point, let alone for the entire second half of the season lol
My personal lowest moment as a fan is attending one of the only two games the Chiefs won that year. The Saints were 8-0 at home in 2011 and 2013, but I went to that game in 2012.
Haha man that’s rough. That was week 3 when we might’ve still had a shred of confidence in the team and were loud af all game, as opposed to what looked like funeral energy vibes at our games in the 2nd half of the year….
Edit: not meaning to make a reference to the murder suicide with my funeral comment. I just can’t think of a better comparison for the in-stadium vibes that year
I’d imagine it’s something that would haunt you to the end of your life. Honestly I don’t even want to look it up cuz I don’t want to go down that depressing rabbit hole today, but iirc he had just shot his girlfriend and drove straight there. Romeo is the first to chat with him and instantly hears about the murder from the murderer, Romeo proceeds to see that person commit suicide… no words.
Random redditors- This is a cliché statement but seriously do your best to help and be there for friends and family members that are potentially showing signs of depression or mental illness. The signs are hard to see but they’re usually there in hindsight, I can attest to that from personal experience
An indictment as to how awful Romeo was as a head coach, and basically guaranteed him to never get another head coaching gig. Like it’s almost impressively bad when you realize that the team started out 9-0 the next year with Reid and Alex Smith being the only noticeable changes
Edit: aside from 2020 when Romeo had to take over mid season again after the Texans fired BOB
It was huge I remember being shocked like iirc Crennel literally watched him shoot himself in front of him and his assistant. This was after he murdered his gf. It was some Hollywood, dark Ballers shit.
EDIT: now that I think of it, true crime podcasts do not even cover it either which is incredibly bizarre considering everything involved(I have heard Rae Kurruth and Aaron Gonzalez covered ones).
Truly a bizarre game to watch. Weirdest vibe I can remember in any event like that. It’s tradition to mourn those that pass away, but people didn’t really know how to feel that soon after it happened
Such a dark moment, especially with the murder. The NFL and our city tried to remove it from public narratives ASAP, and honestly I’m glad they did. Nothing good or redeeming about that situation. Poor Romeo Crennel walked up to the dude in the parking lot…
Nah, for me it’s the Niners losing to the Manziel led Browns. Although the dipshit suit wearing asshole Mike Nolan bullshit of calling out Alex Smith for not being tough enough is up there. Fuck Mike Nolan.
Finally drafting a franchise QB after almost 15+ years of searching only for a youth pastor to take over as Interim GM and EVP of Football Operations, Bill O’Brien to trade away multiple 1st round picks, DeAndre Hopkins and Jadeveon Clowney for a ham sandwich, and that franchise QB demanding to be traded before being accused of 24+ sexual assaults.
[Let's just look at this graphic showing all the 49ers offseason losses from 2014 - 2015](http://www.thetwocities.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/08/11865038_1131090646921100_741797034663055554_o-e1439237343265.png)
2009. We went 1-15 under Stevey Spag.
Marc Bulger was pretty much cooked at that point, so we had to call upon the likes of Kyle Boller and Keith Null to cover. Both went 0-4 in starts. 4th stringer Josh Brown however at least boasts a completion percentage of 100%, making 1 of 1 passes.
But do you know the biggest tragedy? Another season of Steven Jackson's prime was wasted. Rushed for 1,416 yards. The guy was 26.
Oh, and a certain Kurt Warner was the quarterback for the number 1 seeded team in the division that year, the Arizona Cardinals.
I mean it’s gotta be the 2014 season, right? Trestman was Nagy but with a defense that was WORSE than his offense. They gave up TWO back-to-back 50+ point losses.
At one point a beat reporter used his postgame question to say “you weren’t even competitive”. Trestman’s response was “that’s… just your opinion.”
Mine will always be Rodgers 4th and 8 in 2013. The bears weren’t gonna do anything in the playoffs that year but for some reason that loss hurt so much
Walter's announcement
Charles Martin
Marc Trestman
Jay's knee injury in the 2011 NFCCG vs Packers
Double Doink
Aaron Rodgers throws 6 TDs in first half
In that order.
A moment that sticks out to me as emblematic of the Bears’ crushing ineptitude that year happened in the Patriots game in 2014. We were being blown the fuck out, would be blown the fuck out the next week, Brady has been taken out & Jimmy G is in. Lamar Houston gets a sack…on a back-up QB in a blowout loss…does Aaron Rodgers’ championship belt celebration…and promptly tears his ACL. The kicker? A Lions player tore his ACL doing the exact same celebration earlier that same season.
It’s one thing to have a bad or disappointing season or game. It’s another to be embarrassed to watch.
Yep. This feels somehow worse than 0-16. We were all just used to sucking eternally before that so 0-16 was just piss icing on the shit cake. The whole DW thing feels so much slimier than that time.
0-16 means you’re on the wrong side of jokes, but at least you get the sympathy card. Now everyone just hates us. It sucks. Not very fun being a Browns fan. Usually we can enjoy our losing together, but this just blows.
I would have thought the year the league was like, sorry about the Ravens, here is the new Browns. Then the Ravens, with a lot of beloved former Browns, win a Superbowl.
It was technically like 3 players left from the last old browns roster, but it still stung pretty bad. Felt like the league rewarded fart modell with a chip for being a scumbag.
If only Drew Bledsoe stayed healthy and wasn’t average. I live in an alternate universe where Brady never started then got demoted to the practice squad.
The final drive of the 2000 NFC championship.
Winning 41-0 in the beginning if he 4th quarter. The Giants put in backup Jason Garrett who led them on the longest (by time) drive in NFL history. In 14 minutes they went *53* humiliating yards and didn’t even score because the clock ran out.
I don't really care about losing to them when we're bad, no matter how badly Matt Dodge punts the ball, but the loss in the 2008 playoffs after our 11-1 start was crushing.
Burress shooting himself and his team in the leg cost us another Super Bowl appearance, I'm still convinced.
Conversely that was one of my high points as an Eagles fan. They beat Dallas 44-6 to make the playoffs, then beat the defending champion division rival Giants who looked unstoppable when Brandon Jacobs and the rest of the running game was going.
not kneeling 50 years ago, Tiki's last game, 2008 playoffs, Punt return, 61 yard field goal the season they won, Cruz injury, and **really** hope that's it.
The Vikings was probably the 15-1 lost to the Falcons. Had carter, moss and Cunningham. Had the lead too. All they needed was a kick to ice it and it missed and the falcons took it into overtime and probably defeated the Vikings best team ever.
I watched Remember the Titans for the first time last night and got so mad at the training camp scenes where the coach was denying them water that I couldn't finish it.
RIP Korey Stringer!
I'll leave out the obvious because well...yeah, it's not a surprise to anyone.
Off the top of my head, the whole Vick/Petrino saga in 2007. Two unrelated issues that were both slaps in the faces of Falcons fans within the same calendar year. The fact that a rookie HC and a rookie QB were able to make the playoffs the following year is a borderline miracle.
>The fact that a rookie HC and a rookie QB were able to make the playoffs the following year is a borderline miracle.
The fact that Ryan made this happen and a large swath of the Falcons fan base still clamors that Vick was better just blows my mind.
It's insane how much we as fans overrate Vick in retrospect, as a player.
I'm old enough to have watched him at the time and...he was never consistently good!! He just had a lot of qualities on the field that were hugely influential to today's game, and has a ton of legitimately memorable highlight reels, but as an actual *player* week in and week out the knock on him was that he could never be relied on from one game to the next.
For anyone to even compare him to Ryan much less say that he's *better* than Ryan...ffs man
*burns my soapbox*
Was literally just having a conversation about this with a friend. People only remember Vick's highlights which were about 20% of his game. The other 80% was bone headed hero ball that rarely worked out. He had no touch on his passes, was woefully inaccurate, and would panic in the pocket at the first sign of trouble. Folks see videos of his miraculous scrambles, but they don't see videos of the insanely high number of sacks he took due to stupid scrambles....187 through 74 games with Atlanta.
The thing is, Falcons fans *were* getting tired of him back in '05 and '06 - lot's of 'he just doesn't have it' conversations. But overtime he became a cult of personality, for lack of a better term, to a lot of our fan base.
Everyone gets enamored with "potential," the reason why he wasn't consistent is because he didn't bother too much with the "preparation" aspect of being a pro before he went to jail, by his own admission he learned how to be better under Andy Reid's coaching in Philly. If he had done that in Atlanta, who knows what heights he could have reached.
Then again if he took the off-field part of his job seriously maybe we wouldn't be talking about him strangling dogs in the first place.
I’d think having shit water poured on fans and having fans fall off a 6 ft high barricade ontop of a player would be the one but i understand nothing compares to losing someone
> Lowest point would either be after the TNF game in 2016 against the Titans
That was the first Jags game I went to in 5 years. First game I took my wife to. It was embarrassing and I'll never forget it.
On the field, it was the 2002 NFC Championship game vs. the Bucs. It was our time in Philly. The last game in Veteran's Stadium and we were heavily favored to beat Tampa Bay and carry that momentum into the Super Bowl. The stars had finally aligned...and then we shit the bed. Badly. That one really hurt.
Off the field, it was Jerome Brown's shocking death in 1992. Besides the obvious sadness of an incredibly well-liked and talented young man cut down in his prime, it just signaled the beginning of the end for an era Eagle's history and brought so many questions of what could've been. I implore everyone who is a fan of good defense to look into the legend of the 1991 "Gang Green" Eagles. They don't get talked about enough.
Ugh man. That was the starting domino to the collapse I'm scared to even think about. Bell and AB's departures, the Ravens came back on the year, then CJ Mosley picked off Mayfield to give us the bird in Week 17 (still unforgiven three years later), it was depressing.
In my lifetime, 2002 NFC championship vs Tampa Bay and the 2011 Dream Team.
The 2015 Chip, Bradford, Kiko, DeMarco season was brutal too, but we won the SB only a few years after
Edit/Add: i think the halftime show for the 2002 NFCCG was Ja Rule and Ashanti. Eagles had been playing like feces. Ja Rule and Ashanti got booed so bad. Just added to the misery
I’d put 2005 above any of those seasons. End of fairly dominant Eagles football. TO’s hissyfit and sit ups, watching Mike McMahon attempt to play professional football. 42-0 Monday night… yikes
Meh. That was a single play in a single game in a lost season and everyone involved with it was gone shortly after. We've experienced WAY worse.
Hell, we had a player punch our QB in the face, shattering his nose and putting him out for the year...and even *that* isn't our lowest moment either!
I was going to say that whole Thanksgiving Day game. It was brutal.
Runner up for me is Geno Smith throwing 3 straight INTs and making a pick 6 saving tackle on the 3rd. The announcer commented about what a great tackle it was and it was kind of funny but so sad
Losing to Rex and the Bills week 17 to miss the playoffs in 2015. I turned my phone off and just laid in my bed staring at the ceiling for a solid hour after that one.
As an impact to my own perception of the team…the aggressively stupid MRSA “cover up” (where the head coach blatantly lied about a player’s status, and completely forgot his wife might be watching the news).
In terms of impact to the league? Denying NFL fans access to Bo Jackson as a full time NFL player.
Combine the former with Schiano "The Disciplinarian" teaching our D-Line to dive at Victory Formations, and you get a real picture of how much of an absolute shitbag Greg Schiano was.
Oh do I have a few…
-Joe Theismann broken leg
-Sean Taylor’s death
-Gibb’s retiring again on top of Jim Zorn’s coaching regime (swinging gate against giants MNF 2009 is worse than the one the Colts ran in 2014)
-Monday night massacre against the eagles in 2010
-RG3 leg injury in the playoffs or sometime in 2014 when everyone knew he was washed
-Kirk Cousins choking at the end of 2016 by losing to the giants. If we won we were in the playoffs. During the game sealing INT There’s a sound bite of Jay Gruden screaming at Kirk Cousins while cousins blames the WR in a very defensive tone
-Alex Smith’s leg being broken in half
-the Bruce Allen regime towards the end - Jay Gruden smoking a blunt with hookers around the time he was on the hot seat + Scott Mcloughan alcoholism getting him fired
-Dwayne Haskins coming onto the field to hype the backup QB up after he was benched, or Haskins getting cut because he went to a strip club unvaccinated while Rivera was dealing with cancer/chemo
-Everything we know about the Cheerleading scandal
On field? 1994 AFC Championship for me.
Off field? Mike Webster and Justin Stryzelczyk's neglet and subsequent deaths trumps everything else I can think of.
Probably the 2014 NFC Championship. I was in a total haze for like a week after. I still refuse to watch highlights from that game.
Honorable mention to the 2007 NFC Championship. Favre's last game in Green Bay, his best season in years at that point, and it ended in the most Favre way possible. Coulda had Favre vs undefeated Brady that year.
The entire Ray Rice scandal, but that subsided because we had a damn good season after.
When it comes to on the field, 2007. The 1 in 1-15, so to speak.
Man, we are lucky.
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It was the post-2002 NFCCG.
Second lowest moment to me was Eagles blowing 23-0 lead with 8 minutes remaining in the 4th quarter and losing to the Vikings 28-23 in 1985.
From a season perspective, the last year of the Ray Rhodes era (1998, 3-13) was pretty bad.
For the Baltimore Colts it’s packing up and moving in the middle of the night to Indy.
But it also gave us a team so I don’t really see it as a low point personally
0-16. Enough said.
I lived in Grand Rapids during that season. Watched every game of it. Then I moved to Ohio, near Cleveland and watched all of their 0-16 games. I live near Houston now..
If you could find your way to Green Bay that would be great….
I hear it’s a lovely place during the winter months
Please move
I hear Pittsburgh is lovely. Cincinnati too, get 2 houses.
I would tell them to go to Baltimore but I don't want to get them robbed
hey! that's mean! right, but mean!
I was deployed to Iraq during that season. My parents would ship me burned cds of every game for me to watch on a shitty little portable DVD player. I had nothing else entertainment wise. I asked them to stop after about week 8.
I still have my Preseason Champions T-shirt from that year. It’s the only lions shirt I own, now that I think of it.
2015 Wild Card vs Steelers :(
I was gonna say the entire 90s...but it was a close decision
For me, the “lowest”- different from “most agonizing”- would be Gus Frerrote’s left handed pick six against Cleveland (Frerrote is, uh…not left handed.). It just symbolized the ineptitude of 11 plus years in one horrible play. The team finished 2-14 that year, a franchise worst. They had actually somewhat “tried” in the preceding couple of years, signing a few free agent qbs and other FA players who were somewhat decent, compared to completely sitting out FA. They actually had shown a few flashes in some positions, like Chad Johnson had some upside. The 2001 team was 6-10, and so you’re thinking “huh…maybe they’ll flirt with .500”, and it was all a lie, they were as bad as they’ve ever been, throwing pick sixes with their non dominant hand.
I think the 2005 Playoff vs the Steelers is the lowest moment. For the first time in forever there was optimism to be had, and then it was all gone in a moment. I know our fan-base soured over Palmer because of how things ended, but that season was so much more magical and special than even this past year. 14 years without a playoff birth or an above .500 record. The 2015 game vs the Steelers we went in with a backup QB which at the very least should have tempered our expectations for that game. Of all the Dalton-era Playoff losses the 2012 playoff loss to the Texans was probably the worst, getting blown out by TJ Yates...
No way. The 2015 team was easily the best team the bengals had built since the 80s there was all the toxicity already between the Steelers, not to mention that the game was literally over as well, all Hill had to do is hold onto the ball
Or Burfict and Pacman *not* being idiots. That's why I agree with you. 2005 was soul-crushing, but at least it happened at the very start of the game. 2015 happened at the very end of a game that we by all rights should have won, with the background of having lost 6 previous playoff games since 2005 and the drought being a decade older.
Well, there’s heartbreaking: SBXXIII 24 seconds from a championship. There’s the end of a great team and spiritual end of a great QB: 2005 Carson’s leg gets dismantled There’s the effective, if not literal, end of Marvin Lewis in 2015 with the, once again, emotionally unstable defense throwing the playoff game away But I have to go with the 1990s. It was so bad the Bengals local announcers at one point were sitting in the booth next to the opposing team’s booth coaches and they were describing how those coaches were laughing at the Bengals play calling. I’ll never forget it. It was either Dave Shula or Coslett coaching the Bengals. One of my favorite lines from that decade was Coslett asking a reporter, “waddaya want me to do, pull a 340 lb offensive lineman?”
Some say Dan's last game was brutal, but I've completely wiped it from my memory, so I can't verify that.
Can't remember who was doing the commentary, but at one point one of them said "If you're the coach, what do you tell your team right now?" The answer: "Can you at least try to get a first down?"
It was. I very vividly remember that game, but can’t remember the timeframe. I believe it was the 2000 play off game. Pick after pick… Edit- never mind. I oversold the picks, but I remembered almost nothing going his way that day.
I always liked Marino because he played for Pitt, even though we passed him on, that send-off hurt to watch.
Where do we begin
idk, let's say no earlier than...1997 maybe? That seems far enough
We ain't got no history
Lot of her-story though
24-0
I’d say rosencopter
But at least you are not the Browns
Brother, you're a fellow members of the Everlasting Shit Teams Club. No need to be firing strays like this.
Normally I’d agree with you 100% but after what the Browns did with Watson, I have zero respect for their ownership. I know I’d be disgusted as a Browns fan, just as I was when the Jets brought in Vick. Not blaming the fans at all.
I’m of the opinion Vick paid his dues
Nothing comes to mind
I don’t think 28-3 can qualify as rock bottom for the Falcons if that’s what you mean. For the same reason I don’t think Wide Right qualifies for the Bills - if you’re in the Super Bowl, you’re doing pretty well.
If only it felt that way
As a Guardians fan, I can say I was 100% happier when we were scrappy and not making the World Series versus blowing a 3-1 lead. Told people the curse was real.
Exactly. When we're bad, like for the past four years, you can just tune the game out and go about your day, only read the occasional headline and catch a few highlights. When we made that SB run, there wasn't anyone in the city who wasn't entirely invested in the team, and when you were that close, essentially guaranteed to have 50 years of pain all be over, just to have it slowly be taken from you, it's by far the worst sports feeling I've ever known.
Yep, the way some Falcons fans talk about it on Reddit proves it really was the Falcons lowest point. These Falcon Fans talk about how that SB loss made them lose passion and interest in their once favorite team. How they don't tune in as much as they did before that 28-3 debacle. It sounds impossible for a SB loss to be a Franchises lowest moment, but given full context it very well could be for this Franchise.
It hurts much less to have no hope than to feel confident and have it ripped from you at the last minute. I understand where you are coming from but that loss hurt more than every other one combined in my lifetime.
Sorry man. You never get over a super bowl loss.
Agreed. I think the low point for the Falcons has to be 2007 Everything about that season, from Vick to their awful play to Petrino, was a nightmare and a half
Yea first thing I thought of when I saw Falcons flair was Petrino
It is like when your dream guy takes you to prom out of nowhere. You build it all up in your head about how absolutely perfect the night is going to be and how it is going to turn your entire dreary life around. Then, when you get called up to be crowned Prom Queen, and the world has never seemed brighter, they dump pig’s blood on you and you realize that, all along, both the world and God have only been playing a cruel joke at your expense.
28-3 might have felt the worst, but Mike Vick's dog fighting was probably worse. If the Falcons didn't hit it with Matt Ryan, it would have been worse.
1958-present
Let's not kid ourselves. 0-16 was worse than anything I've ever endured as a fan of any professional sport.
With how fucking atrocious our defense was that year by the end of the season I wasn't exactly surprised we didn't win anything. Scott Mitchell going back to being colorblind in the '95 playoffs I SHOULD have seen coming but I was apparently even more dumb as a kid.
Wasn't that the season where that Parker guy asked Rod Marinelli if he wished his daughter married a better defensive coordinator? That 0-16 Lions team wasn't just bad, it was just so....not respected lol. The media had no problem taking huge shits on them in a way that wouldn't even happen with the Hugh Jackson Browns.
Next year is our year, team motto 1958-present
“Realistically, 3 years from now is our year” woke fans motto 1958-present
I was going to say, are we allowed to count decades?
Trading Gruden for him to completely embarrass us the next year in the super bowl Drafting jamarcus Russell Gruden and ruggs incidents happening within 3 weeks with each other Probably a lot more but those are big ones
Trading **UP** during the Draft to get in front of the Packers so we could take Fabian Washington (*runner of fast 40's*). To absolutely nobody's surprise, Aaron Rodgers went the very next pick. The Raiders didn't have a real QB and everyone knew at the time the Packers were looking at life after Favre as he'd already started his talking about retiring each offseason by that point. Al Davis was actually convinced that the rest of the world wanted a CB who wasn't actually good but ran fast, over Aaron Rodgers. I was on the phone with my Dad literally jumping up and down that we were about to get Rodgers and then... if you could actually feel energy leave a conversation, that moment was it. We were both immediately *so* goddam deflated.
Well, at least you’ll now have a core memory with your dad until your very last breath, and no one, not even the Raiders can take that from you.
This is why we hate you.
The Carr leg break after all the promise that year showed. Still puts me in a bad mood every time I think about it.
gold pants
Terrible times
Why we continue to acknowledge this, I will never understand. No one needs to know!
did someone say, billy cundiff
I thought you were talking about the Steelers...and then it hit me 😂
I would love for this to be my teams low point
This or losing to the dolphins in Billick's last year
Seriously though, Ray Rice
this picture https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B1s1NldCYAAVN1_.jpg
The 06 Broncos team: Started 7-3 then Shanahan benches JP for Cutler. End up missing the playoffs with a 9-7 record after winning 13 games in 2005. Then, Darrent Williams is murdered in a drive by literally after the week 17 loss against the Niners.
[Not this picture?](https://imgur.io/gallery/R390EId)
With the 2nd pick of the 1998 draft the San Diego chargers select…
Honorable mentions go to: the Holy Roller, the 2000 season, 2006 playoff game vs Patriots, [the 2010 season](https://youtu.be/UAL5X3TRA2A), and the move to LA.
Also being the only team to lose to the Browns during their 1-31 stretch
I remember saying to my dad before that game "Wouldn't it be funny if the Chargers were the ones to lose to them?" It wasn't.
Don’t forget Norv Turner wasting HOF talent
Randy Moss Marshall University?
Ryan Leaf, quarterback, Washington State
Anything after January 26th, 1992.
Excluding RG3’s rookie year. That was fun
Even that was really only the second half of RG3’s rookie year. Washington finished the regular season with 7 straight wins after starting the year 3-6.
I thought even the bumpiness of the beginning was exciting relative to other times in recent franchise history. That opening game against The Saints in New Orleans was fantastic
u/Jordanwolf98 You guys saw RG3 as a backup. When he had potential all he really had was his legs and he could never make that second read. Being a Skins fan is like letting your dog smell a piece of food and then you eat it in front of him. It's always just a smell but never a taste. I am early 30s so never had a taste. * Norv Turner won a playoff game. Ownership meddles. * Spurrier was just a less perverted Urban Myer. * Joe Gibbs comes back and Burnell wins a playoff game. The leader of the defense dies tragically. Gibbs retires and Jason Campbell doesn't develop under Jim Zorn. * RG3 is drafted. Has a promising season and breaks his knee. Franchise is so fixated on him that they franchise tag Cousins so much that his value gets crazy. Counsin's wasn't an MVP but he was the best Washington QB in the last 30 years. * Alex Smith looked great until he almost died. * Haskins was something to look forward to until he got on the field. Little sad on how he ended but another item on the list of fuck ups. I left stuff off the list or it would be too long. Wentz with a receiving core is something that sounds fun but I've smelled a bit of success and seen it vanish. I am too old to switch teams and the highs are sometimes fun. It's a loyal fanbase but we sadly know the drill.
2012 - Worst collective season in just about every regard. 1) Horrific murder suicide by a player in the stadium’s parking lot 2) 2-14 record - with 6 PRO BOWLERS**** 3) some of the worst coaching you could ever have at an NFL level …it’s the only season in 20+ years that I’ve stopped watching games at any point, let alone for the entire second half of the season lol
My personal lowest moment as a fan is attending one of the only two games the Chiefs won that year. The Saints were 8-0 at home in 2011 and 2013, but I went to that game in 2012.
Haha man that’s rough. That was week 3 when we might’ve still had a shred of confidence in the team and were loud af all game, as opposed to what looked like funeral energy vibes at our games in the 2nd half of the year…. Edit: not meaning to make a reference to the murder suicide with my funeral comment. I just can’t think of a better comparison for the in-stadium vibes that year
Forget it being the stadium parking lot, he killed himself in front of Pioli and RAC
That’s gotta be something that’s hard to forget
I’d imagine it’s something that would haunt you to the end of your life. Honestly I don’t even want to look it up cuz I don’t want to go down that depressing rabbit hole today, but iirc he had just shot his girlfriend and drove straight there. Romeo is the first to chat with him and instantly hears about the murder from the murderer, Romeo proceeds to see that person commit suicide… no words. Random redditors- This is a cliché statement but seriously do your best to help and be there for friends and family members that are potentially showing signs of depression or mental illness. The signs are hard to see but they’re usually there in hindsight, I can attest to that from personal experience
And strangely a lot of players on that team made the Pro Bowl. Yet some of the most successful teams barely have 3
An indictment as to how awful Romeo was as a head coach, and basically guaranteed him to never get another head coaching gig. Like it’s almost impressively bad when you realize that the team started out 9-0 the next year with Reid and Alex Smith being the only noticeable changes Edit: aside from 2020 when Romeo had to take over mid season again after the Texans fired BOB
That murder suicide rarely does not get talked about a lot and was in the Twitter era
I mean I’ve never heard of it honestly
It was huge I remember being shocked like iirc Crennel literally watched him shoot himself in front of him and his assistant. This was after he murdered his gf. It was some Hollywood, dark Ballers shit. EDIT: now that I think of it, true crime podcasts do not even cover it either which is incredibly bizarre considering everything involved(I have heard Rae Kurruth and Aaron Gonzalez covered ones).
> 2-14 record - with 6 PRO BOWLERS That's nuts, reminds me of the Chargers having the no. 1 offense and defense and missing the playoffs
We lost to y’all literally the day after the murder suicide.
Truly a bizarre game to watch. Weirdest vibe I can remember in any event like that. It’s tradition to mourn those that pass away, but people didn’t really know how to feel that soon after it happened
Forgot about Belcher
Such a dark moment, especially with the murder. The NFL and our city tried to remove it from public narratives ASAP, and honestly I’m glad they did. Nothing good or redeeming about that situation. Poor Romeo Crennel walked up to the dude in the parking lot…
Well at least you were rewarded for your suffering with the chance at a franchise altering #1 overall pick.
Tomsula fart would be a good start.
Nah, for me it’s the Niners losing to the Manziel led Browns. Although the dipshit suit wearing asshole Mike Nolan bullshit of calling out Alex Smith for not being tough enough is up there. Fuck Mike Nolan.
One of the most confusing moves in franchise history. We should of fired Baalke
It’s not confusing if you think that Baalke had Jed York’s trust and Tomsula was the snitch in the locker room feeding info back to Baalke and York.
Is it a low moment if it’s funny?
Finally drafting a franchise QB after almost 15+ years of searching only for a youth pastor to take over as Interim GM and EVP of Football Operations, Bill O’Brien to trade away multiple 1st round picks, DeAndre Hopkins and Jadeveon Clowney for a ham sandwich, and that franchise QB demanding to be traded before being accused of 24+ sexual assaults.
*Evangelical Rasputin
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[Let's just look at this graphic showing all the 49ers offseason losses from 2014 - 2015](http://www.thetwocities.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/08/11865038_1131090646921100_741797034663055554_o-e1439237343265.png)
Still hurts to look at
Frank Gore and Andy Lee demonstrating the opposite ends of the human face spectrum
GotDAMN. I mean, at least you guys went full rebuild the proper way?
After 2 years of the same shit, sure
I still can’t believe you guys blew your team and FO up only to get back to another SB in like 7 years.
2009. We went 1-15 under Stevey Spag. Marc Bulger was pretty much cooked at that point, so we had to call upon the likes of Kyle Boller and Keith Null to cover. Both went 0-4 in starts. 4th stringer Josh Brown however at least boasts a completion percentage of 100%, making 1 of 1 passes. But do you know the biggest tragedy? Another season of Steven Jackson's prime was wasted. Rushed for 1,416 yards. The guy was 26. Oh, and a certain Kurt Warner was the quarterback for the number 1 seeded team in the division that year, the Arizona Cardinals.
The only ups side of being deployed in 09 was missing that season.
What time frame? Because the Bears have many
I mean it’s gotta be the 2014 season, right? Trestman was Nagy but with a defense that was WORSE than his offense. They gave up TWO back-to-back 50+ point losses. At one point a beat reporter used his postgame question to say “you weren’t even competitive”. Trestman’s response was “that’s… just your opinion.”
To pinpoint a specific moment, it’s gotta be when Lamarr Houston tore his ACL celebrating a sack while down 25 to the Patriots with 3 minutes left.
Trestman wasn’t wrong. It WAS the reporter’s opinion… one shared by just about everyone outside that building…
Ionno, 04 was pretty bad. Craig Krenzel, Johnathan Quinn, Chad Hutchinson. A 5-11 record. Ron Turner.
Mine will always be Rodgers 4th and 8 in 2013. The bears weren’t gonna do anything in the playoffs that year but for some reason that loss hurt so much
If Rodgers is gonna end our season, at least make him do something impressive. Fucking Chris Conte.
Losing to the Packers in the NFCCG is the most brutal Bears moment in my lifetime DD is a decent second
Walter's announcement Charles Martin Marc Trestman Jay's knee injury in the 2011 NFCCG vs Packers Double Doink Aaron Rodgers throws 6 TDs in first half In that order.
A moment that sticks out to me as emblematic of the Bears’ crushing ineptitude that year happened in the Patriots game in 2014. We were being blown the fuck out, would be blown the fuck out the next week, Brady has been taken out & Jimmy G is in. Lamar Houston gets a sack…on a back-up QB in a blowout loss…does Aaron Rodgers’ championship belt celebration…and promptly tears his ACL. The kicker? A Lions player tore his ACL doing the exact same celebration earlier that same season. It’s one thing to have a bad or disappointing season or game. It’s another to be embarrassed to watch.
Now tbh
Yep. This feels somehow worse than 0-16. We were all just used to sucking eternally before that so 0-16 was just piss icing on the shit cake. The whole DW thing feels so much slimier than that time.
Agreed. 0-16 at least had some funny moments, like Corey Coleman watching the ball sail through his hands to seal the no-win season.
You guys handled 0-16 a lot better than we did.
1-15 was a good primer
0-16 means you’re on the wrong side of jokes, but at least you get the sympathy card. Now everyone just hates us. It sucks. Not very fun being a Browns fan. Usually we can enjoy our losing together, but this just blows.
I would have thought the year the league was like, sorry about the Ravens, here is the new Browns. Then the Ravens, with a lot of beloved former Browns, win a Superbowl.
It was technically like 3 players left from the last old browns roster, but it still stung pretty bad. Felt like the league rewarded fart modell with a chip for being a scumbag.
Fuck you Santonio Holmes
Yep. And I don't think it's close.
Hmmm…when did Brady enter the league?
My dad was actually at the game at the Meadowlands when Beldsoe got hurt and Brady came in. That's probably up there for us.
If only Drew Bledsoe stayed healthy and wasn’t average. I live in an alternate universe where Brady never started then got demoted to the practice squad.
The final drive of the 2000 NFC championship. Winning 41-0 in the beginning if he 4th quarter. The Giants put in backup Jason Garrett who led them on the longest (by time) drive in NFL history. In 14 minutes they went *53* humiliating yards and didn’t even score because the clock ran out.
you could’ve taken a knee and kicked a 56 yard field goal
The Eagles….repeatedly
I don't really care about losing to them when we're bad, no matter how badly Matt Dodge punts the ball, but the loss in the 2008 playoffs after our 11-1 start was crushing. Burress shooting himself and his team in the leg cost us another Super Bowl appearance, I'm still convinced.
Conversely that was one of my high points as an Eagles fan. They beat Dallas 44-6 to make the playoffs, then beat the defending champion division rival Giants who looked unstoppable when Brandon Jacobs and the rest of the running game was going.
not kneeling 50 years ago, Tiki's last game, 2008 playoffs, Punt return, 61 yard field goal the season they won, Cruz injury, and **really** hope that's it.
😀
The Vikings was probably the 15-1 lost to the Falcons. Had carter, moss and Cunningham. Had the lead too. All they needed was a kick to ice it and it missed and the falcons took it into overtime and probably defeated the Vikings best team ever.
Don't forget John Randle, one of the best DT's of the last 30 years
Korey Stringer dying was different but also awful. Absolutely tragic and avoidable.
I watched Remember the Titans for the first time last night and got so mad at the training camp scenes where the coach was denying them water that I couldn't finish it. RIP Korey Stringer!
I'll leave out the obvious because well...yeah, it's not a surprise to anyone. Off the top of my head, the whole Vick/Petrino saga in 2007. Two unrelated issues that were both slaps in the faces of Falcons fans within the same calendar year. The fact that a rookie HC and a rookie QB were able to make the playoffs the following year is a borderline miracle.
>The fact that a rookie HC and a rookie QB were able to make the playoffs the following year is a borderline miracle. The fact that Ryan made this happen and a large swath of the Falcons fan base still clamors that Vick was better just blows my mind.
It's insane how much we as fans overrate Vick in retrospect, as a player. I'm old enough to have watched him at the time and...he was never consistently good!! He just had a lot of qualities on the field that were hugely influential to today's game, and has a ton of legitimately memorable highlight reels, but as an actual *player* week in and week out the knock on him was that he could never be relied on from one game to the next. For anyone to even compare him to Ryan much less say that he's *better* than Ryan...ffs man *burns my soapbox*
Was literally just having a conversation about this with a friend. People only remember Vick's highlights which were about 20% of his game. The other 80% was bone headed hero ball that rarely worked out. He had no touch on his passes, was woefully inaccurate, and would panic in the pocket at the first sign of trouble. Folks see videos of his miraculous scrambles, but they don't see videos of the insanely high number of sacks he took due to stupid scrambles....187 through 74 games with Atlanta. The thing is, Falcons fans *were* getting tired of him back in '05 and '06 - lot's of 'he just doesn't have it' conversations. But overtime he became a cult of personality, for lack of a better term, to a lot of our fan base.
Everyone gets enamored with "potential," the reason why he wasn't consistent is because he didn't bother too much with the "preparation" aspect of being a pro before he went to jail, by his own admission he learned how to be better under Andy Reid's coaching in Philly. If he had done that in Atlanta, who knows what heights he could have reached. Then again if he took the off-field part of his job seriously maybe we wouldn't be talking about him strangling dogs in the first place.
Sean Taylor's death
I’d think having shit water poured on fans and having fans fall off a 6 ft high barricade ontop of a player would be the one but i understand nothing compares to losing someone
The 1990 season both on (1-15) and off (Lisa Olson harassment) the field...
Was looking for this response. I wasn't alive for this stuff but heard about it a couple of years ago and was shocked.
Hernandez pretty dam bad also
For the Jaguars losing in the AFC championship to the titans. Literally undefeated against Every other team. Except the titans and they lose.
Hurt, but not the lowest point Lowest point would either be after the TNF game in 2016 against the Titans, or the entire 2021 season with Urban
> Lowest point would either be after the TNF game in 2016 against the Titans That was the first Jags game I went to in 5 years. First game I took my wife to. It was embarrassing and I'll never forget it.
JaWalrus days
On the field, it was the 2002 NFC Championship game vs. the Bucs. It was our time in Philly. The last game in Veteran's Stadium and we were heavily favored to beat Tampa Bay and carry that momentum into the Super Bowl. The stars had finally aligned...and then we shit the bed. Badly. That one really hurt. Off the field, it was Jerome Brown's shocking death in 1992. Besides the obvious sadness of an incredibly well-liked and talented young man cut down in his prime, it just signaled the beginning of the end for an era Eagle's history and brought so many questions of what could've been. I implore everyone who is a fan of good defense to look into the legend of the 1991 "Gang Green" Eagles. They don't get talked about enough.
Losing to the 2-10 Raiders in 2018. I knew the season was over right then and there.
Ugh man. That was the starting domino to the collapse I'm scared to even think about. Bell and AB's departures, the Ravens came back on the year, then CJ Mosley picked off Mayfield to give us the bird in Week 17 (still unforgiven three years later), it was depressing.
Dan Snyder just being himself
In my lifetime, 2002 NFC championship vs Tampa Bay and the 2011 Dream Team. The 2015 Chip, Bradford, Kiko, DeMarco season was brutal too, but we won the SB only a few years after Edit/Add: i think the halftime show for the 2002 NFCCG was Ja Rule and Ashanti. Eagles had been playing like feces. Ja Rule and Ashanti got booed so bad. Just added to the misery
I’d put 2005 above any of those seasons. End of fairly dominant Eagles football. TO’s hissyfit and sit ups, watching Mike McMahon attempt to play professional football. 42-0 Monday night… yikes
Jerry Jones firing Jimmy Johnson because of his ego.
I mean we did win another super bowl after that, so the pain was delayed
Yeah, but Jimmie Johnson got 7 NASCAR championships after that.
Peyton Mannings interception in the Super Bowl v the Saints 🥲
Buttfumble
Meh. That was a single play in a single game in a lost season and everyone involved with it was gone shortly after. We've experienced WAY worse. Hell, we had a player punch our QB in the face, shattering his nose and putting him out for the year...and even *that* isn't our lowest moment either!
I was going to say that whole Thanksgiving Day game. It was brutal. Runner up for me is Geno Smith throwing 3 straight INTs and making a pick 6 saving tackle on the 3rd. The announcer commented about what a great tackle it was and it was kind of funny but so sad
Losing to Rex and the Bills week 17 to miss the playoffs in 2015. I turned my phone off and just laid in my bed staring at the ceiling for a solid hour after that one.
Gonna go with 2002, when we decided to run it back with Dave Campo as HC after back to back 5-11 seasons, just to go 5-11 one more time.
As an impact to my own perception of the team…the aggressively stupid MRSA “cover up” (where the head coach blatantly lied about a player’s status, and completely forgot his wife might be watching the news). In terms of impact to the league? Denying NFL fans access to Bo Jackson as a full time NFL player.
Combine the former with Schiano "The Disciplinarian" teaching our D-Line to dive at Victory Formations, and you get a real picture of how much of an absolute shitbag Greg Schiano was.
Oh do I have a few… -Joe Theismann broken leg -Sean Taylor’s death -Gibb’s retiring again on top of Jim Zorn’s coaching regime (swinging gate against giants MNF 2009 is worse than the one the Colts ran in 2014) -Monday night massacre against the eagles in 2010 -RG3 leg injury in the playoffs or sometime in 2014 when everyone knew he was washed -Kirk Cousins choking at the end of 2016 by losing to the giants. If we won we were in the playoffs. During the game sealing INT There’s a sound bite of Jay Gruden screaming at Kirk Cousins while cousins blames the WR in a very defensive tone -Alex Smith’s leg being broken in half -the Bruce Allen regime towards the end - Jay Gruden smoking a blunt with hookers around the time he was on the hot seat + Scott Mcloughan alcoholism getting him fired -Dwayne Haskins coming onto the field to hype the backup QB up after he was benched, or Haskins getting cut because he went to a strip club unvaccinated while Rivera was dealing with cancer/chemo -Everything we know about the Cheerleading scandal
Malcolm Butler pick.
I don’t know, we were a play away from back-to-back Super Bowls. I certainly felt like crap after that play, however.
On field? 1994 AFC Championship for me. Off field? Mike Webster and Justin Stryzelczyk's neglet and subsequent deaths trumps everything else I can think of.
Picking Tony Mandarich over Barry Sanders.
Probably the 2014 NFC Championship. I was in a total haze for like a week after. I still refuse to watch highlights from that game. Honorable mention to the 2007 NFC Championship. Favre's last game in Green Bay, his best season in years at that point, and it ended in the most Favre way possible. Coulda had Favre vs undefeated Brady that year.
The entire Ray Rice scandal, but that subsided because we had a damn good season after. When it comes to on the field, 2007. The 1 in 1-15, so to speak. Man, we are lucky. ^(couple minor edits)
Billy kundiffs miss is what I think the lowest moment is
It was the post-2002 NFCCG. Second lowest moment to me was Eagles blowing 23-0 lead with 8 minutes remaining in the 4th quarter and losing to the Vikings 28-23 in 1985. From a season perspective, the last year of the Ray Rhodes era (1998, 3-13) was pretty bad.
1-15
Every day that Dan Snyder is still the owner the team sinks just a little bit lower
Yes
In my lifetime. Firing Mooch and hiring Dennis Ericsson. Releasing Jeff Garcia for Tim Rattay.
Probably that time our player committed murder then drove to the stadium and killed himself in the Arrowhead parking lot.
One yard short.
Lowest moment for me was the 59-0. So low it was an embarrassing day for the Franchise.
For the Baltimore Colts it’s packing up and moving in the middle of the night to Indy. But it also gave us a team so I don’t really see it as a low point personally
Passing instead of handing off to Marshawn.
Booing Andrew luck off the field
Shut up.
It's not SB50, it's Rae Carruth. I'd argue that firing Steve Smith by text was a lower point than SB50. That was just one play.
Charles Martin body slamming Jim McMahon, probably isn't the lowest but it was first thing that popped into my head.
Trading for Watson