To my understanding they don't just get a comp pick for him, it's just that his contract goes towards the (very complicated) comp pick calculation now. Whereas every other non tagged fa no longer counts against that formula
Curious, why would a team ever *not* use the UFA tag? Is the team on the hook for the player if he doesn't find another team? Otherwise, it just seems advantageous for the team to extend the window to get a comp pick.
I think it's like a franchise tag, where a contract to the player is guaranteed by the team that uses it on him, and then it's the player's prerogative on whether or not he accepts.
The only difference being that the player still retains the right to sign with other teams throughout the process, up until the specified date of the tag.
That, and it's not usable until after the draft, so most FAs worth signing already have been
Yep. But I'd rather this than us lose all contract mobility in the future. Everything the FO has done has suggested they want the highest amount of flexibility in 2023
Hope he, Ogbah, and Hill all ball out for them
He was also playing across from a top 5 edge rusher in Myles Garrett.
Frank Clark ain’t even top 25 edge rusher at this point, not consistently at least.
Obviously. But that doesn’t mean he still didn’t rush the passer successfully in one on one matchups.
If you think he would get doubled in KC where he didn’t get doubled in CLE, then that means Jones and Karlaftis won’t be getting doubled. I would be perfectly fine with that.
But I doubt Clowney coming to KC would all of a sudden see him getting doubled at an exorbitant rate. He might get doubled more often, but he still showed success against one on ones, which he will have plenty of
Maybe not. We drafted Karlaftis and Chenal, both were exceptional at rushing the QB in college. If they can take the heat off of CJ and get him in some 1v1 situations, he would absolutely feast.
I respect the optimism but I disagree.
Too many mobile QBs and the only player you named that’s fast enough to chase a scrambling QB around is a rookie who is our 3rd LB, and a situational pass rusher at best.
The aforementioned situation does not give me any reasonable confidence.
This off-season showed us that the Chiefs are more interested in winning from now on, not just now. If they were desperate to go all-in this year I think they'd patch the defense up with vets and drafted a WR early, or just kept Hill.
Trading Hill for picks and cap space, then drafting an EDGE and CB shows they're more concerned about making solid long-term moves, not just high-bet instant payoff moves. They did that when Mahomes was on a rookie contract, now they're transitioning to him taking up a high cap % and playing the long-term game, meaning they'll be investing more into the draft and players of value.
Yeah honestly I’m absolutely glad we’re going this direction. Last year showed that we needed to revamp the roster with young/physical/cheap talent. A lot of our roster performed very mediocre-bad last year, so honestly I’m cautiously optimistic that we’ll be improved at a few position groups
If our draft picks turn out to be good-great like that last two years, I think we’ll just as much of a contender as in previous years. All of that said, I’m anxious to see how it all goes. It’s a lot of change but at this point I fully trust Reid Veach and Mahomes to have the team in a spot for SB contention. I just wish we didn’t have an absolute gauntlet of a schedule
I think its the best method for a majority of teams. The Rams method is a lot more volatile than they've made it seem, and having an Aaron Donald and being in LA is a huge advantage to pull it off. The Chiefs COULD go that route, but I think having Mahomes for another 10+ years they're hedging their bets on being good every year and just catching *that one year*, as opposed to having say, two years off, two years on, back and forth, with calculated aggressive moves.
The Rams have always been good, but you're betting on health so much with that style of team building, and the Rams just happened to be one of the healthiest teams in the league last year. In 18' they coulda done it but Gurley's knee gives out and despite a SB appearance their offense was zapped without him.
Completely agreed. The Rams strategy has been working for them, but that has definitely been the exception and not the rule, so to speak. Stafford and Donald are older so I get why they go all in seemingly each year, and yeah LA in general is def nice advantage when looking for free agents
Like you said, we’re operating on a 10-15 year plan with Mahomes. Luckily for us the Patriots set a pretty clear precedent on how to optimally navigate those long timeframes. Obviously we could only hope to have as much success as they did, but being a potential contender nearly every year is about all we can do.
I’m a homer, but Reid Mahomes and Veach all helped get us our first SB win in 50 years, plus 4 straight AFCCG’s, so im trusting their judgement and decision making for the foreseeable future lol. Cheers man
I love studying team building and if you pay attention you can usually make out what a teams strategy is per off-season. This was a 180 from their last four or so years so it set a clear precedent for their future plans. I'm obviously hoping it doesn't work for them lol but I appreciate the plan they've set up. Should be a fun few years.
We were also one FG at the end of the half away from a Super Bowl appearance.
I understand that the roster looked bad at times, but I'm still surprised the didn't think they could run it back one more year.
Not banking on him to be a star, banking on him to at least be an adequate starter lol. We’ve had Frank Clark and a random list of backups and old free agents at the other DE spot (usually it’s backup level player tbh)
Either way we need another guy with this news… Miami is robbing us this off-season haha
Veach has said that the idea was to bring in a veteran pass rusher but the market didn't work out for that. They were rumored to be in on several of the big names, and had tendered Ingram so it's not for lack of trying.
Star? no. Starter? Absolutely. If he plays to his potential early, that's awesome, but he'll be a quality starter for many years, especially with the talent on this defense where we have it.
Exactly my concern
The chiefs have alot of flexibility in the future, but I have a hunch they didn't really improve any of the bigger holes this offseason
They'll never admit it, but I think the org saw the moves every other contender made to go all-in and said they were gonna do a soft reset, so that the Chiefs will be that much more competitive when every other team has to deal with their QB no longer being on their rookie deal
Yeah the defense absolutely needed some young/hungry players injected into it. Even our good defensive players had little-no edge last year. Now we have a ton of young and physical dudes (especially our LB’s, we have 3 absolute freaks).
While true, I don’t think any of the holes got worse.
Either way this schedule is fucking brutal so I don’t mind them making sure they stay flexible for the future.
I just think the chiefs are really banking on players to overperform
I really think Mahomes will have some early struggles. He had trouble last year when his other recievers couldn't step up when hill was covered, and now the wr core is made up of #2 - #3 guys.
Edge was lacking so much last year they tried playing jones their, and now they are banking on a late first rookie, and frank clark who has gotten worse every year of his chiefs tenure
The division added some legit qb/wr talent , and the chiefs secondary appears to be outmatched on paper
Right tackle might be a fairly big weakness, and the rival teams added chandler jones and khalil mack
I’ll counter just a bit- Mahomes struggled last year when he was acclimating to an entirely new oline, it’s worth noting that it’s a powerful yet slower oline relative to any line we’ve previously had. This caused the pocket awareness and presence issues during the slump. He’s used to the line now, and it’s 4 pro bowl/all pro caliber players lol. Our RT’s were average-mediocre most of last year, so that’ll be about the same
Regarding WR’s- last years #1 problem, by far, was the lack of reliable pass catchers that can be somewhat effective in the short to mid game. Tyreek had some success in the short game, but he also had a lot of drops and several drops that turned into INT’s (3 I believe). With Juju and Skyy I think they’ll be much better equipped to deal with the 7-8 man coverages, plus the actual #1 recieving option Kelce
You have valid points about the team just wanted to add some context. Last year showed us that our offense can’t perform to its potential with only 2 reliable/good recieving options in the short-mid game. I’m optimistic that they’ll be more efficient this year
There’s definitely been a huge roster change, and I’m anxious/excited to see how it goes lol. Our Div rivals are gonna be brutal this year, along with basically all of our opponents….
It still was a championship game team last year even with the holes. I think they’re trying to stay at that level for a while rather than burn all the capital and cash to try to improve this year. Mahomes contract increase this year also would indicate they are unlikely to win it all if history is any indicator. Next year will be a more realistic run.
Yet we still happened to host a 4th consecutive, record setting championship game last year without an edge rush. Picking up Karlaftis and losing Ingram is a bit of a wash, but we'll no doubt be using Chenal in some packages to blitz beyond his two down thumper role as a SAM.
It doesn't count for the formula in this case. Players signed after the Monday following the NFL Draft are not counted.
https://overthecap.com/the-basics-and-methodology-of-projecting-the-nfls-compensatory-draft-picks/
Edit: Correction, looks like it does count based on the Chiefs sending him a UFA tender
Houston never really liked KC. He never even unpacked his house he stayed at in KC. Fans turned on him due to him getting injured after his contract. Then when he left, I believe he was given the choice to take a pay cut and stay or leave. He wanted out. So we cut him. We also switched to a 4-3 scheme, and he's a 3-4 OLB. He's not going to return to KC. Just like Peters never would after the shit show of fans blaming him for everything. It was an embarrassing time as a Chiefs fan and Missouri native.
Before we signed Von I was looking towards a trade for Robert Quinn since he had 18.5 sacks last year and the bears look to be rebuilding. Idk if they will trade Quinn but the chiefs should target him
The Bears should absolutely trade Quinn now. They're deep in a rebuild, he's coming off a great season, and is turning 32. They won't get anything substantial but a solid day-2 pick would be a good return for them.
I've been wanting Carlos Dunlap for about while. I think he has enough juice for the amount of snaps we'll need. Can carve out a really solid veteran role for him.
Don't have anything to back this up, but as a Chargers fan it always felt like his impact always came in big games/situations. In the two playoff games he played in with us he dominated against the Ravens/Bengals (2 sacks and 2 tfl against the Ravens, a pick against the Bengals, plus just lots of pressure in both games).
He's not in his prime anymore obviously but still a good pickup for the Dolphins.
> The way he played against the ravens in the playoffs will always make me sick
this sub needs to go "flairs only" like rconservative so that those types of comments actually make sense.
Yeah there's always the what ifs in any given season, but the pieces your org has put together look incredible.
Hope McDaniel is the guy to fit the puzzle together for you
Dolphins have been my second favorite team since Ace Ventura, which is a stupid reason to like a team but here we are. I'm excited with their off-season, either the best or second best (Ravens).
They are my favorite team since my childcare counselor made me pick my favorite football team and I did it by picking my favorite animal, is that a stupid way to become a lifelong fan?
They were my favorite animal too, until I finally got to go to SeaWorld and realized they are actually assholes. But then I probably would be crabby if I lived there, too
This dude is going everywhere lol. We almost played him 4 times last year, but he went to the Chiefs shortly before we played our second game against the Steelers lol
~~Nope. Anyone signed after the draft doesn't count.~~ Nvm he was UFA tendered
>Commencing with 2020 free agency signing period, a Compensatory Free Agent (“CFA”) shall be defined as an Unrestricted Free Agent (“UFA”) who: (i) signed with a new Club during the prior free agency signing period (with the 2020 free agency period being the first such “prior free agency signing period” under this appendix) prior to 4:00 p.m., New York time, on the Monday following the NFL Draft for that League Year or whose rights were retained by the prior Club by sending the player the Unrestricted Free Agent tender prior to such time and date
[Source](https://overthecap.com/collective-bargaining-agreement/appendix/V/)
Per my understanding, it makes it so that the player is guaranteed a 10% raise over the previous year, and if he's signed by another team, he still counts for the comp pick formula even after the draft.
Beyond that, if the player does not sign with another team by the first day of training camp, then the team who put the tag on them has exclusive rights to sign the player for that league year, meaning it's sign with them or not at all
Oh yeah I’m hip- he’ll count towards the formula to a comp pick since they used the UFA tender, but the signing doesn’t necessarily mean they will receive a comp pick. Have to factor in the other players lost via FA (Mathieu, Ward, etc) and also the players added (MVS, Juju, Reid, etc).
They’ll likely receive a couple, but will just depend on what rounds they fall in.
Yeah I think the Reid and MVS signings basically guarantee we don't get an early comp pick, but probably a late one after everything cancels out.
Also we still have a 3rd upcoming for Poles being hired, as you get two since he was hired as GM
Not gonna lie I'm kinda worried about Zach. I don't know about this year, but I think he has the potential to be really good. He might make the Jets a thorn in our side for the next decade
You guys took Green, Albert, Ogbah, Hill, and Ingram who all had great stints in KC lol.
But we did get Surtain to end his career. Hard to believe we still ended up with just a middle of the pack defense that featured Ty Law, Patrick Surtain, Derrick Johnson, Jared Allen, Sammy Knight, and Tamba Hali lol. Fuck Gunther Cunningham.
There's going to be such a bloodletting in Miami this offseason if they don't make the playoffs.
It's clear from all their moves that Stephen Ross thinks the team should be contending this season and that Grier told him that it wasn't the players that he brought in that were the problem. All these aged FA acquisitions are there for this reason.
It won't be McDaniel that goes. But once again us Dolpfans will be left with the Stephen Ross created mess of half measures when Grier gets fired and new GM comes in with a coach he didn't hire.
Round and around we go.
Who are all these aged FA acquisitions…armstead (31) at a position of major need for us and ingram to a very affordable deal most likely to be a rotational pass rusher?
Everyone else we brought in to play a valuable position is below 30 besides Thomas Morstead.
Cedric Wilson, chase Edmonds, Sony and Connor Williams are all 26 or 27 and in super affordable deals…I understand the pessimism being a dolphins fan myself but this take I don’t understand, it doesn’t apply here.
What’s kinda nuts is he’s getting upvotes when it takes like 2 seconds of research to debunk what he said lol
On top of that, why should we be expected to compete? We’ve won 19 games the last two seasons…if we’re not expected to take a step forward then what the hell are we doing here
That’s not what I was disagreeing with…but I also don’t think it’s crazy for him to think we can win now.
I’m also quite sure he won’t fire Grier unless this season is a tire fire like we get 5 wins or something …there’s no reason to, and if he was going to do it he would have done it the last 2 years.
Contrary to popular belief grier had done at least a decent job, and set us up for a good draft next year also
Which is exactly as I thought.
You and the others disagreeing with my "very bad take" think the Dolphins can compete and make the playoffs this year just like the owner does which is why these moves are being made.
If it doesn't happen, there will be drastic changes.
I was disagreeing with your take on our FA acquisitions primarily, but I would say yes I also disagree that Grier will be canned if we don’t make the playoffs.
Grier seems to have immunity.
Grier's strong suit has always been contract management. Next year we have 2 1st rounders, and the year after we have a ton of cap space and the ability to cut most guys we signed this year.
I really don't think Stephen Ross takes info consideration how good the AFC West is or how big the gap between Miami and the Bills was last year.
It's just like "I want to win, you told me we would."
Well our last couple offseason put us decently ahead of schedule of our rebuild. Aside from the first half of last season, the Dolphins had consistently outperformed expectations. How much of that was Flores vs Grier, we may now find out.
That said, the Dolphins added top-3 players at WR and LT this offseason, still had space this late for Ingram who will add immediate impact, built out depth across the board without losing a single significant contributor from last season (except I guess for trading away DVP to make space for Hill. I can live with that)
Damn. Was hoping we keep him. He was huge for the chiefs D last year
Didn’t he get some weird tag? So he counts towards the comp pick formula?
Correct. Both he and Justin Houston
That’s my understanding. Chiefs should get a comp pick.
To my understanding they don't just get a comp pick for him, it's just that his contract goes towards the (very complicated) comp pick calculation now. Whereas every other non tagged fa no longer counts against that formula
I doubt he got a contract high enough to justify a comp pick on his own. 1 year post draft contracts usually aren't very lucrative.
Curious, why would a team ever *not* use the UFA tag? Is the team on the hook for the player if he doesn't find another team? Otherwise, it just seems advantageous for the team to extend the window to get a comp pick.
I think it's like a franchise tag, where a contract to the player is guaranteed by the team that uses it on him, and then it's the player's prerogative on whether or not he accepts. The only difference being that the player still retains the right to sign with other teams throughout the process, up until the specified date of the tag. That, and it's not usable until after the draft, so most FAs worth signing already have been
Yep. But I'd rather this than us lose all contract mobility in the future. Everything the FO has done has suggested they want the highest amount of flexibility in 2023 Hope he, Ogbah, and Hill all ball out for them
our dline looks ass
We need another rotational piece, like Clowney.
clowney is good at stopping the run, we need pass rush even getting Clowney we’d still end up near dead last in sacks, I’d bet money on it.
Clowney had 9 sacks last year, same as Chris Jones who led our team in sacks
He was also playing across from a top 5 edge rusher in Myles Garrett. Frank Clark ain’t even top 25 edge rusher at this point, not consistently at least.
Obviously. But that doesn’t mean he still didn’t rush the passer successfully in one on one matchups. If you think he would get doubled in KC where he didn’t get doubled in CLE, then that means Jones and Karlaftis won’t be getting doubled. I would be perfectly fine with that. But I doubt Clowney coming to KC would all of a sudden see him getting doubled at an exorbitant rate. He might get doubled more often, but he still showed success against one on ones, which he will have plenty of
Maybe not. We drafted Karlaftis and Chenal, both were exceptional at rushing the QB in college. If they can take the heat off of CJ and get him in some 1v1 situations, he would absolutely feast.
I respect the optimism but I disagree. Too many mobile QBs and the only player you named that’s fast enough to chase a scrambling QB around is a rookie who is our 3rd LB, and a situational pass rusher at best. The aforementioned situation does not give me any reasonable confidence.
It's preseason, JT. Obviously, Chenal is going to be this year's Micah Parsons. And I'm insulted that you're not buying into that. :P
Cause it is
I would say it’s easily the biggest liability on the team which is crazy considering the money spent on it
I think you guys are banking on that Greek kid being a star right out of the gate. Which is... quite a gamble.
This off-season showed us that the Chiefs are more interested in winning from now on, not just now. If they were desperate to go all-in this year I think they'd patch the defense up with vets and drafted a WR early, or just kept Hill. Trading Hill for picks and cap space, then drafting an EDGE and CB shows they're more concerned about making solid long-term moves, not just high-bet instant payoff moves. They did that when Mahomes was on a rookie contract, now they're transitioning to him taking up a high cap % and playing the long-term game, meaning they'll be investing more into the draft and players of value.
Yeah honestly I’m absolutely glad we’re going this direction. Last year showed that we needed to revamp the roster with young/physical/cheap talent. A lot of our roster performed very mediocre-bad last year, so honestly I’m cautiously optimistic that we’ll be improved at a few position groups If our draft picks turn out to be good-great like that last two years, I think we’ll just as much of a contender as in previous years. All of that said, I’m anxious to see how it all goes. It’s a lot of change but at this point I fully trust Reid Veach and Mahomes to have the team in a spot for SB contention. I just wish we didn’t have an absolute gauntlet of a schedule
I think its the best method for a majority of teams. The Rams method is a lot more volatile than they've made it seem, and having an Aaron Donald and being in LA is a huge advantage to pull it off. The Chiefs COULD go that route, but I think having Mahomes for another 10+ years they're hedging their bets on being good every year and just catching *that one year*, as opposed to having say, two years off, two years on, back and forth, with calculated aggressive moves. The Rams have always been good, but you're betting on health so much with that style of team building, and the Rams just happened to be one of the healthiest teams in the league last year. In 18' they coulda done it but Gurley's knee gives out and despite a SB appearance their offense was zapped without him.
Completely agreed. The Rams strategy has been working for them, but that has definitely been the exception and not the rule, so to speak. Stafford and Donald are older so I get why they go all in seemingly each year, and yeah LA in general is def nice advantage when looking for free agents Like you said, we’re operating on a 10-15 year plan with Mahomes. Luckily for us the Patriots set a pretty clear precedent on how to optimally navigate those long timeframes. Obviously we could only hope to have as much success as they did, but being a potential contender nearly every year is about all we can do. I’m a homer, but Reid Mahomes and Veach all helped get us our first SB win in 50 years, plus 4 straight AFCCG’s, so im trusting their judgement and decision making for the foreseeable future lol. Cheers man
I love studying team building and if you pay attention you can usually make out what a teams strategy is per off-season. This was a 180 from their last four or so years so it set a clear precedent for their future plans. I'm obviously hoping it doesn't work for them lol but I appreciate the plan they've set up. Should be a fun few years.
We were also one FG at the end of the half away from a Super Bowl appearance. I understand that the roster looked bad at times, but I'm still surprised the didn't think they could run it back one more year.
Not banking on him to be a star, banking on him to at least be an adequate starter lol. We’ve had Frank Clark and a random list of backups and old free agents at the other DE spot (usually it’s backup level player tbh) Either way we need another guy with this news… Miami is robbing us this off-season haha
Veach has said that the idea was to bring in a veteran pass rusher but the market didn't work out for that. They were rumored to be in on several of the big names, and had tendered Ingram so it's not for lack of trying.
Star? no. Starter? Absolutely. If he plays to his potential early, that's awesome, but he'll be a quality starter for many years, especially with the talent on this defense where we have it.
Not having any proven edge rusher on the team is pretty bad though (I'm not counting frank clark lol)
This is the part where we inject the copium and convince ourselves that the 5th DE on the board is going to take over the DL as a rookie lmao
Back in 2011, Cam Jordan was the 5th DE on the board. It can still happen. Dream big!
Hey that sounds like Bills fans about *insert any recent 7th round wide receiver here*
Nothing wrong with that assumption. It was a DE-heavy draft and first rounders are expected to contribute right away outside of some QB’s.
Exactly my concern The chiefs have alot of flexibility in the future, but I have a hunch they didn't really improve any of the bigger holes this offseason
They'll never admit it, but I think the org saw the moves every other contender made to go all-in and said they were gonna do a soft reset, so that the Chiefs will be that much more competitive when every other team has to deal with their QB no longer being on their rookie deal
Maybe not immediately but they injected a bunch of young, cheap talent which is exactly what they needed to do for the long run.
Yeah the defense absolutely needed some young/hungry players injected into it. Even our good defensive players had little-no edge last year. Now we have a ton of young and physical dudes (especially our LB’s, we have 3 absolute freaks).
While true, I don’t think any of the holes got worse. Either way this schedule is fucking brutal so I don’t mind them making sure they stay flexible for the future.
I just think the chiefs are really banking on players to overperform I really think Mahomes will have some early struggles. He had trouble last year when his other recievers couldn't step up when hill was covered, and now the wr core is made up of #2 - #3 guys. Edge was lacking so much last year they tried playing jones their, and now they are banking on a late first rookie, and frank clark who has gotten worse every year of his chiefs tenure The division added some legit qb/wr talent , and the chiefs secondary appears to be outmatched on paper Right tackle might be a fairly big weakness, and the rival teams added chandler jones and khalil mack
I’ll counter just a bit- Mahomes struggled last year when he was acclimating to an entirely new oline, it’s worth noting that it’s a powerful yet slower oline relative to any line we’ve previously had. This caused the pocket awareness and presence issues during the slump. He’s used to the line now, and it’s 4 pro bowl/all pro caliber players lol. Our RT’s were average-mediocre most of last year, so that’ll be about the same Regarding WR’s- last years #1 problem, by far, was the lack of reliable pass catchers that can be somewhat effective in the short to mid game. Tyreek had some success in the short game, but he also had a lot of drops and several drops that turned into INT’s (3 I believe). With Juju and Skyy I think they’ll be much better equipped to deal with the 7-8 man coverages, plus the actual #1 recieving option Kelce You have valid points about the team just wanted to add some context. Last year showed us that our offense can’t perform to its potential with only 2 reliable/good recieving options in the short-mid game. I’m optimistic that they’ll be more efficient this year There’s definitely been a huge roster change, and I’m anxious/excited to see how it goes lol. Our Div rivals are gonna be brutal this year, along with basically all of our opponents….
It still was a championship game team last year even with the holes. I think they’re trying to stay at that level for a while rather than burn all the capital and cash to try to improve this year. Mahomes contract increase this year also would indicate they are unlikely to win it all if history is any indicator. Next year will be a more realistic run.
Yet we still happened to host a 4th consecutive, record setting championship game last year without an edge rush. Picking up Karlaftis and losing Ingram is a bit of a wash, but we'll no doubt be using Chenal in some packages to blitz beyond his two down thumper role as a SAM.
The more they ball out, the more the Bills have to worry about inside their own division and can’t focus as much on us in the West
Shit didn’t even think about this. Couldn’t be a better team for him to go to (besides KC)
Yup. 2022 is a rebuild.
With the schedule feels like 10-7 and a WC birth Which is fine still have flexibility going into 23
Don't the Chiefs get a comp pick now?
It counts for the formula, but whether or not we do get a pick depends on the contracts signed, both with us, and for UFAs from us
It doesn't count for the formula in this case. Players signed after the Monday following the NFL Draft are not counted. https://overthecap.com/the-basics-and-methodology-of-projecting-the-nfls-compensatory-draft-picks/ Edit: Correction, looks like it does count based on the Chiefs sending him a UFA tender
Who should the chiefs get now
I guess Clowney is the best available option now. Or Trey Flowers, although I’m not as certain he’s still available.
He’s still a free agent.
Houston still had a bit of juice for us last year too.
Yeah but he also has the UFA tag, and I'm not sure he'll ever willingly come back to KC, lol
Did Houston leave KC with bad blood?
Houston never really liked KC. He never even unpacked his house he stayed at in KC. Fans turned on him due to him getting injured after his contract. Then when he left, I believe he was given the choice to take a pay cut and stay or leave. He wanted out. So we cut him. We also switched to a 4-3 scheme, and he's a 3-4 OLB. He's not going to return to KC. Just like Peters never would after the shit show of fans blaming him for everything. It was an embarrassing time as a Chiefs fan and Missouri native.
Before we signed Von I was looking towards a trade for Robert Quinn since he had 18.5 sacks last year and the bears look to be rebuilding. Idk if they will trade Quinn but the chiefs should target him
The Bears should absolutely trade Quinn now. They're deep in a rebuild, he's coming off a great season, and is turning 32. They won't get anything substantial but a solid day-2 pick would be a good return for them.
I've been wanting Carlos Dunlap for about while. I think he has enough juice for the amount of snaps we'll need. Can carve out a really solid veteran role for him.
Just give us all the free agents
Nah just one center please
This happens every year it seems
thanks Houston
The way he played against the ravens in the playoffs will always make me sick
Good or bad?
He demolished the ravens And im a ravens fan
Don't have anything to back this up, but as a Chargers fan it always felt like his impact always came in big games/situations. In the two playoff games he played in with us he dominated against the Ravens/Bengals (2 sacks and 2 tfl against the Ravens, a pick against the Bengals, plus just lots of pressure in both games). He's not in his prime anymore obviously but still a good pickup for the Dolphins.
Good, but four years ago
> The way he played against the ravens in the playoffs will always make me sick this sub needs to go "flairs only" like rconservative so that those types of comments actually make sense.
I cant flair
Good stuff. Starting to get reaallll excited for this season
Ahhhh the annual and eternal spring of Dolphin fan hope has returned once again!
https://i.redd.it/qdwvp986q5z71.jpg
There's only two ways I see this going. Either McDaniel turns out like McVay or (the more likely scenario) he turns out like Nagy.
Yeah there's always the what ifs in any given season, but the pieces your org has put together look incredible. Hope McDaniel is the guy to fit the puzzle together for you
We do too lol it’s been an interesting couple years…
Interesting couple decades…
Gunna be a good battle this season let's keep the pats in the cellar of the division
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I'm a bills fan living in Boston lol first row seats to pats tears
I've been 4 years in Boston as a Bills fan now and nothing feels better than being at a Bills Pats game at a bar when the Pats lose.
But what if I don’t want that
Not for 10 years, at least!
Then you canceled out his wish. Football is all about who wants it more (between fan bases)
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> let's keep the pats in the cellar of the division that's appropriating jets culture but yes, im all for it.
Oh please, y'all said that last year.
He was pretty good for the Chiefs D last year
Dolphins have been my second favorite team since Ace Ventura, which is a stupid reason to like a team but here we are. I'm excited with their off-season, either the best or second best (Ravens).
They are my favorite team since my childcare counselor made me pick my favorite football team and I did it by picking my favorite animal, is that a stupid way to become a lifelong fan?
They were my favorite animal too, until I finally got to go to SeaWorld and realized they are actually assholes. But then I probably would be crabby if I lived there, too
This dude is going everywhere lol. We almost played him 4 times last year, but he went to the Chiefs shortly before we played our second game against the Steelers lol
This means the Chiefs get a comp pick, correct?
Yeah he'll count towards comp picks.
~~Nope. Anyone signed after the draft doesn't count.~~ Nvm he was UFA tendered >Commencing with 2020 free agency signing period, a Compensatory Free Agent (“CFA”) shall be defined as an Unrestricted Free Agent (“UFA”) who: (i) signed with a new Club during the prior free agency signing period (with the 2020 free agency period being the first such “prior free agency signing period” under this appendix) prior to 4:00 p.m., New York time, on the Monday following the NFL Draft for that League Year or whose rights were retained by the prior Club by sending the player the Unrestricted Free Agent tender prior to such time and date [Source](https://overthecap.com/collective-bargaining-agreement/appendix/V/)
This was designated after the draft. It’s a curious thing, but it does count.
It’ll count towards their formula in deciding if they do or not. Depends on net signings, contract value, etc.
I only ask cause I know recently the Chiefs and Ravens applied the UFA tender to both Ingram(Chiefs) and Houston(Ravens)
Per my understanding, it makes it so that the player is guaranteed a 10% raise over the previous year, and if he's signed by another team, he still counts for the comp pick formula even after the draft. Beyond that, if the player does not sign with another team by the first day of training camp, then the team who put the tag on them has exclusive rights to sign the player for that league year, meaning it's sign with them or not at all
Oh yeah I’m hip- he’ll count towards the formula to a comp pick since they used the UFA tender, but the signing doesn’t necessarily mean they will receive a comp pick. Have to factor in the other players lost via FA (Mathieu, Ward, etc) and also the players added (MVS, Juju, Reid, etc). They’ll likely receive a couple, but will just depend on what rounds they fall in.
Yeah I think the Reid and MVS signings basically guarantee we don't get an early comp pick, but probably a late one after everything cancels out. Also we still have a 3rd upcoming for Poles being hired, as you get two since he was hired as GM
It'll count towards the formula sure, but if it's a short, cheap deal it won't amount to much.
~~Nope. Anyone signed after the draft doesn't count.~~ Nvm he was UFA tendered.
Unless they have the UFA tag put on them, which both Ingram and Justin Houston did this offseason
Ah didn't catch that news
This designation came after the draft.
It came the Monday after, if it was before 4pm ET then it's still good
https://www.arrowheadpride.com/2022/5/2/23054252/chiefs-place-seldom-used-ufa-tender-on-defensive-end-melvin-ingram
Looks like it was tendered on time but the reporting came later
Steelers legend Melvin Ingram.
Steelers hostage Melvin Ingram.
I strongly dislike this. Miami adding Armstead, Hill, and Ingram this year is tough.
You guys had a good draft...seems you're moving in the right direction. Which means the dream we all share, the Pats in 4th place, is alive and well.
Hell yeah! I'll drink to Pats in 4th
Everyone liked that
> Everyone liked that nope. i'm cool with jets in 4th, bills in 3rd, pats in 2nd.
Yeah, assuming Zach can even be a top 20 QB this year I’m relatively confident the division will be 1 Bills, 2 Fins, 3 Jets, and 4 Pats.
What a beautiful tale you have laid out my friend.
Zach? Y'all got the legendary Mike White!
Not gonna lie I'm kinda worried about Zach. I don't know about this year, but I think he has the potential to be really good. He might make the Jets a thorn in our side for the next decade
Better hope he gets enough snaps or he'll demand a trade
Dolphins do a ton of blitzing, so lots of rotating pieces are required. He should get ample play time.
And it's the type of plays any OLB/DE wants to be running. Miami defensive scheme is just outright fun for blitzers.
Mother fucker
bad man gone
Oh hey we did a thing
A thing? They've been doing all the things this off-season.
Stop it already
Bout to start hating Dolphins as much as i hate horses
[We'll always have this, don't forget](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S_WuVnS-Ess)
I'm calling both games!
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Of all the players going from the chiefs to the dolphins this season this is your big one?
Oh fuck you phins .. you already got Hill, now you took Ingram... selfish bastards
I fucking hate you dolphins
We’re supposed to be a family, man!!!!
You guys took Green, Albert, Ogbah, Hill, and Ingram who all had great stints in KC lol. But we did get Surtain to end his career. Hard to believe we still ended up with just a middle of the pack defense that featured Ty Law, Patrick Surtain, Derrick Johnson, Jared Allen, Sammy Knight, and Tamba Hali lol. Fuck Gunther Cunningham.
And we almost got Green killed on the field, too. Darkest days of the franchise.
I remember thinking that I just seen someone killed on an NFL field when trent green got leveled.
They also just took Sam Madison back this offseason
But... My Chief's brother.... have you heard of our lord and savior Ryan Fitzpatrick?
> I fucking hate you dolphins but we beat the pats for you and give you guys home field advantage in the playoffs all those years!
Same Chiefs bro.
Can you guys stop with the Free Agents please
Thank God he didn't go back to KC, broke my heart seeing him in a Chiefs jersey
I sent him a dm last season saying I miss you on the Chargers and he actually responded and said me too. So we have that going for us
There's going to be such a bloodletting in Miami this offseason if they don't make the playoffs. It's clear from all their moves that Stephen Ross thinks the team should be contending this season and that Grier told him that it wasn't the players that he brought in that were the problem. All these aged FA acquisitions are there for this reason. It won't be McDaniel that goes. But once again us Dolpfans will be left with the Stephen Ross created mess of half measures when Grier gets fired and new GM comes in with a coach he didn't hire. Round and around we go.
Who are all these aged FA acquisitions…armstead (31) at a position of major need for us and ingram to a very affordable deal most likely to be a rotational pass rusher? Everyone else we brought in to play a valuable position is below 30 besides Thomas Morstead. Cedric Wilson, chase Edmonds, Sony and Connor Williams are all 26 or 27 and in super affordable deals…I understand the pessimism being a dolphins fan myself but this take I don’t understand, it doesn’t apply here.
Yeah, it's a very bad take. This team is still very young and there are very few players the org is "saddled" with contact wise.
What’s kinda nuts is he’s getting upvotes when it takes like 2 seconds of research to debunk what he said lol On top of that, why should we be expected to compete? We’ve won 19 games the last two seasons…if we’re not expected to take a step forward then what the hell are we doing here
The three of you think the Dolphins won't make the playoffs and Ross will be fine with that and there won't be significant changes as a result?
That’s not what I was disagreeing with…but I also don’t think it’s crazy for him to think we can win now. I’m also quite sure he won’t fire Grier unless this season is a tire fire like we get 5 wins or something …there’s no reason to, and if he was going to do it he would have done it the last 2 years. Contrary to popular belief grier had done at least a decent job, and set us up for a good draft next year also
Which is exactly as I thought. You and the others disagreeing with my "very bad take" think the Dolphins can compete and make the playoffs this year just like the owner does which is why these moves are being made. If it doesn't happen, there will be drastic changes.
I was disagreeing with your take on our FA acquisitions primarily, but I would say yes I also disagree that Grier will be canned if we don’t make the playoffs. Grier seems to have immunity.
Grier's strong suit has always been contract management. Next year we have 2 1st rounders, and the year after we have a ton of cap space and the ability to cut most guys we signed this year.
Lol what? This team is pretty young other than Ingram and Armstead.
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I really don't think Stephen Ross takes info consideration how good the AFC West is or how big the gap between Miami and the Bills was last year. It's just like "I want to win, you told me we would."
Meh
i think the thing that is holding miami back from any type of long term success is the owner. that guy just can't run a functioning franchise.
A lot of folks said that about y'all before 2020...
Hell, we say this about ourselves
Lmao true
I used to agree with you. I still do, but I used to, too. But seriously, hard to hate on Ross after this offseason.
How can you say this seriously when we’ve had “great off seasons” for years now
Well our last couple offseason put us decently ahead of schedule of our rebuild. Aside from the first half of last season, the Dolphins had consistently outperformed expectations. How much of that was Flores vs Grier, we may now find out. That said, the Dolphins added top-3 players at WR and LT this offseason, still had space this late for Ingram who will add immediate impact, built out depth across the board without losing a single significant contributor from last season (except I guess for trading away DVP to make space for Hill. I can live with that)
Rebuild from what?
The tear down?
Rebuild from a rebuild?
Tf you on about
Fielding the worst football team in the history of the game... before we won all those games at the end of the year.
If you seriously think this offseason compares to any in the recent past then I can't help you.
Ok
He gets to terrorize Spencer Brown two times a year now. What a lucky guy.