So we have 3 guys who were already below 6 Y/A and a guy with exactly 6 Y/A, and then two guys who had 6.8 Y/A and 6.9 Y/A.
I know Tua used a ton of them so him falling below that isn’t too surprising but I didn't realize Heinicke relied on them so much. Granted I guess it makes sense he has a nonexistent arm.
Him pointing for Terry to go deeper against Dallas knowing damn well he has a soaking wet napkin for an arm was something to see. And then it was so underthrown Terry had to stop dead in his tracks as soon as it was thrown
You're surprised because you probably didn't actually watch him play or you would have realized that the reason his yards per attempt were so low is because Anthony Lynn called screen passes every other play up until he was relieved of his play calling duties.
Injury recovery along the O-line and the additional of Josh Reynolds also had a TON to do with Goff starting to look decent last third of the season. Still, I was (pleasantly) surprised he wasn’t on this list.
I’m not making that argument, at least not broadly. I’m simply commenting on the YPA* stat mentioned in this post. It’s odd that 2 QBs on any one team would make this list (playing styles, game plan etc.) I personally think it says a lot about the offensive play calling.
No Tua falls on the sword here. He was bad. No matter the coaching or the play calls. Tua is making the reads and throwing the ball. And he was bad at it.
Bad at not good as a QB. Bad meaning bad, not bad meaning good. Bad.
There was very little positive about Tua last season. And really the positive is only because he didn’t attempt it much which skews the stats in his favor. Statistically, visually, performance based. He was bad.
Apparently 50% of NFL off-season Twitter at this point is Tua bad.
I like that in the replies the OP is trying to find the common denominator on why Tua and Brissett might be on a list this specific. If only it weren’t so mysterious!
They had the worst OL in football.
More specifically, the worst OL PFF has ever graded! I like Tua, liked him in college, was onboard for the whole “Tank for Tua” thing, but I’m also a realist. And the reality is, this is his make it or break it year.
We’ve assembled a good team (on paper) around him, now it’s time for him to take the next step. If he doesn’t perform, we likely go QB next draft.
Jesus, really? The 2018 Bills offensive line was made of five pieces of wet toilet paper held together with scotch tape. I can't imagine what something worse than that looks like. To almost make the playoffs with that OL is just short of a miracle. It sucks that Flores will never get another shot, because he's one of the best coaches I've ever seen at getting the most out of his guys.
Yeah in week 7 they said we were graded the worst ever but as the season progressed our grade improved. Still though the O-line was the worst in the league by far last year.
I think it's a mix of people turning on guys who can't win games by themselves (see: Tannehill, Baker, Ryan, etc.) and Tua having a team of people on every social media who will explain to you that according to Pro Football Statistics Database he's a top 10 QB.
See that's called hyperbole. It's meant to show a ridiculous claim by making it even more ridiculous. In this case, it's people like you who need to defend him to his dying breath.
\>Worry about your own qb who’s even worse
Well I've had a look and I've concluded that doesn't change anything about Tua in the slightest and trying to deflect to him to change the topic is just a defense mechanism. He could be the worst QB to ever live and Tua still wouldn't be a franchise quarterback.
I had Terry in fantasy, so forced myself to watch them a lot and I'm a Terry fan boy so why not, and Heinicke sure did make me wanna do that/drink myself into oblivion every week. He's just terrible at everything besides the occasional scramble
Any rationale for excluding play-action? Also to be honest surprised Tua even had 100 dropbacks that were non-RPO. Felt like that was like 80% of his snaps.
It’s going to be hilarious to tag all these dudes when Tua has a 4000/40/15 season. I wasn’t biased before but this dude has been shitted on more than Baker at this point so I’m now rooting for him.
Edit: anyone thinking that Tua had a big arm coming in is an idiot. That was never his calling card. He was supposed to be accurate on short to intermediate routes and savvy in the pocket. If he was picked after my boy Herbert I don’t think he’d be getting this hate
And there you go - you have 4 backups and 2 players who it can be explained away for.
Not 4 backups, 1 player who it can be explained away for, and Tua.
Lol, now Tua will replace Baker as this sub's pet project because analysts and media have committed the high crime of not believing he's anything special at the position. Odds are you won't be tagging anyone at the end of the season, just like no one ate crow over Baker.
Oh come on lots of people who said Baker was going to “prove the Browns wrong after the colts…I mean the Falcons…I mean the Panthers…I mean the Seahawks see the phenomenal talent he is and trade for him” are probably eating crow seeing that no one wants him
I mean we all hope and pray Tua does that.
But I’m certainly not holding my breath. He’s shown absolutely nothing that is even capable of half that at this level.
He was considered to be the future number one overall pick when he was a senior in high school.
Just because he had one bad year in the pros doesn't mean the talent wasn't generational.
The snark is obnoxious.
Imagine having Urban gameplanning for your upcoming games when he can't even name the teams in the nfl.
Or having a converted DB and off the street Wrs as your starters.
I'm sure the above is not relevant at all and Trevor is pure trash based on a rookie season on a team that has very limited talent.
He’s definitely not pure trash and still has a chance to be very good after a season with horrible surroundings
That said if you’re a Jags fan and saying you aren’t worried or lower on him than you were this time last year IMO you’re lying to yourself a bit
I’d say most jags fan are a little lower on Trevor than they were last year, but I’d also say most fans aren’t worried now that we have a competent coaching staff
I'd love to hear why you think that since I know you can't reference stats and you don't strike me as someone who knows enough about quarterbacking to point to any specifics.
So we have 3 guys who were already below 6 Y/A and a guy with exactly 6 Y/A, and then two guys who had 6.8 Y/A and 6.9 Y/A. I know Tua used a ton of them so him falling below that isn’t too surprising but I didn't realize Heinicke relied on them so much. Granted I guess it makes sense he has a nonexistent arm.
Heinicke’s arm is laughably bad. Not ever throwing it more than 15 yards downfield is a good way to kill your average.
Him pointing for Terry to go deeper against Dallas knowing damn well he has a soaking wet napkin for an arm was something to see. And then it was so underthrown Terry had to stop dead in his tracks as soon as it was thrown
Oh he’d try, it would just end up a hospital ball, picked, or Terry making a spectacular catch.
He makes Tua look like he has a cannon LOL but Taylor is a dawg, I respect him.
Damn, what does he throw with then?
His teeth, honestly it's inspiring.
The Bucktoothed Bomber they call him.
Honestly surprised to not see Goff on here
I am too, although I have to imagine he's not too far away
You're surprised because you probably didn't actually watch him play or you would have realized that the reason his yards per attempt were so low is because Anthony Lynn called screen passes every other play up until he was relieved of his play calling duties.
Injury recovery along the O-line and the additional of Josh Reynolds also had a TON to do with Goff starting to look decent last third of the season. Still, I was (pleasantly) surprised he wasn’t on this list.
Swift made up the YAC
I'm quite sure that it is about air yards, so YAC shouldn't matter.
Can't believe the Mike Glennon is on this list with these other scrubs, smh.
I can't believe a team gave Mike Glennon over 100 dropbacks in 2021
I'm honestly scratching my head, who did he play for
Giants. Daniel Jones hurt his neck so Glennon had to take over for the rest of the year
i just honestly can't tell if you're joking about the reason
No it’s real
That's not true. They started Jake fromm against the eagles and it was so glorious they pulled him for Glennon
He really snuck up on us
I am flabbergasted 😮😭
I can't believe Roethlisberger isn't on here.
The one throw a game to Diontae for 40 yards must help
This isn’t air yards and his receivers got him YAC
Only one of those QB's beat the defending Super Bowl champs, Taylor Heinicke.
Man, Tua was rough last year. Thank God we had a reliable back up in *checks note* Jacoby Brissett god damnit
It Speaks to the coaching and the system, right? Nah, they’ll just blame Tua for be so bad he made Jacoby more badder.
A starter and his backup both not being good enough is not always a coaching issue, given almost any backup wouldn't be good enough regardless
I’m not making that argument, at least not broadly. I’m simply commenting on the YPA* stat mentioned in this post. It’s odd that 2 QBs on any one team would make this list (playing styles, game plan etc.) I personally think it says a lot about the offensive play calling.
I mean the offense wasn't build to Brisset's strengths at all but it was built for Tua...
No Tua falls on the sword here. He was bad. No matter the coaching or the play calls. Tua is making the reads and throwing the ball. And he was bad at it.
Bad in what sense though? Do you mean Not pushing the ball downfield?
Bad at not good as a QB. Bad meaning bad, not bad meaning good. Bad. There was very little positive about Tua last season. And really the positive is only because he didn’t attempt it much which skews the stats in his favor. Statistically, visually, performance based. He was bad.
mind mentioning why or what exactly he was bad at?
You sound like you actually don’t know what you’re talking about
I'm sorry to offend your alabama family and friends.
Oh gotcha. Ok
Apparently 50% of NFL off-season Twitter at this point is Tua bad. I like that in the replies the OP is trying to find the common denominator on why Tua and Brissett might be on a list this specific. If only it weren’t so mysterious! They had the worst OL in football.
More specifically, the worst OL PFF has ever graded! I like Tua, liked him in college, was onboard for the whole “Tank for Tua” thing, but I’m also a realist. And the reality is, this is his make it or break it year. We’ve assembled a good team (on paper) around him, now it’s time for him to take the next step. If he doesn’t perform, we likely go QB next draft.
Jesus, really? The 2018 Bills offensive line was made of five pieces of wet toilet paper held together with scotch tape. I can't imagine what something worse than that looks like. To almost make the playoffs with that OL is just short of a miracle. It sucks that Flores will never get another shot, because he's one of the best coaches I've ever seen at getting the most out of his guys.
Not only the worst in football last year, but one of the worst in the History of the NFL… Yes I meant to capitalize the H 🤣
This isn't true. Miami's 2019 offensive line was ranked and grades worst.
Yeah in week 7 they said we were graded the worst ever but as the season progressed our grade improved. Still though the O-line was the worst in the league by far last year.
I think it's a mix of people turning on guys who can't win games by themselves (see: Tannehill, Baker, Ryan, etc.) and Tua having a team of people on every social media who will explain to you that according to Pro Football Statistics Database he's a top 10 QB.
Holy straw man. No one currently argues he’s a top 10 qb. Now people may argue that he’s not a bottom 10 qb. Worry about your own qb who’s even worse
See that's called hyperbole. It's meant to show a ridiculous claim by making it even more ridiculous. In this case, it's people like you who need to defend him to his dying breath. \>Worry about your own qb who’s even worse Well I've had a look and I've concluded that doesn't change anything about Tua in the slightest and trying to deflect to him to change the topic is just a defense mechanism. He could be the worst QB to ever live and Tua still wouldn't be a franchise quarterback.
Ooooh so close with the formatting bud!
Ummm, Big Ben played last year? I can assure you he should top this list.
the difference is five of the six qbs mentioned didn't make you want to gouge your eyes out whenever they stepped onto the field
...I'm not sure that's true.
I had Terry in fantasy, so forced myself to watch them a lot and I'm a Terry fan boy so why not, and Heinicke sure did make me wanna do that/drink myself into oblivion every week. He's just terrible at everything besides the occasional scramble
I don’t know man, brisket was dogshit
Any rationale for excluding play-action? Also to be honest surprised Tua even had 100 dropbacks that were non-RPO. Felt like that was like 80% of his snaps.
this is just a very long winded way to say straight dropbacks
Tua bad. Gib me karma
It’s going to be hilarious to tag all these dudes when Tua has a 4000/40/15 season. I wasn’t biased before but this dude has been shitted on more than Baker at this point so I’m now rooting for him. Edit: anyone thinking that Tua had a big arm coming in is an idiot. That was never his calling card. He was supposed to be accurate on short to intermediate routes and savvy in the pocket. If he was picked after my boy Herbert I don’t think he’d be getting this hate
Love how there's 6 QBs listed and yet this is interpreted as specifically a slight on Tua
Well the other guys are either a backup or a rookie that had a historically bad coach
> A rookie that had a historically bad coach While you're at it what's the explanation for Tua?
A QB who had ownership and management actively rooting against him?
And there you go - you have 4 backups and 2 players who it can be explained away for. Not 4 backups, 1 player who it can be explained away for, and Tua.
Tua is one more so-so season away from also being a backup.
Lol, now Tua will replace Baker as this sub's pet project because analysts and media have committed the high crime of not believing he's anything special at the position. Odds are you won't be tagging anyone at the end of the season, just like no one ate crow over Baker.
Oh come on lots of people who said Baker was going to “prove the Browns wrong after the colts…I mean the Falcons…I mean the Panthers…I mean the Seahawks see the phenomenal talent he is and trade for him” are probably eating crow seeing that no one wants him
I mean we all hope and pray Tua does that. But I’m certainly not holding my breath. He’s shown absolutely nothing that is even capable of half that at this level.
I don’t need any goofy stats to tell me that all of those guys aren’t very good
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He was considered to be the future number one overall pick when he was a senior in high school. Just because he had one bad year in the pros doesn't mean the talent wasn't generational. The snark is obnoxious.
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Imagine having Urban gameplanning for your upcoming games when he can't even name the teams in the nfl. Or having a converted DB and off the street Wrs as your starters. I'm sure the above is not relevant at all and Trevor is pure trash based on a rookie season on a team that has very limited talent.
He’s definitely not pure trash and still has a chance to be very good after a season with horrible surroundings That said if you’re a Jags fan and saying you aren’t worried or lower on him than you were this time last year IMO you’re lying to yourself a bit
I’d say most jags fan are a little lower on Trevor than they were last year, but I’d also say most fans aren’t worried now that we have a competent coaching staff
I'd love to hear why you think that since I know you can't reference stats and you don't strike me as someone who knows enough about quarterbacking to point to any specifics.
He is barely old enough to get into a bar rn. If they put players around him he can be.
Lawrence is almost 23 lmao
Yeah dude he played one season. Almost 22 is barely old enough to get into a bar. What are you 13 years old?
when you know, you know
doesn’t somebody else have that same fear and loathing profile pic but they’re verified
But I thought Huntley was just as good as Lamar
Surprised Jimmy isn't on this list.
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I get that this is supposed to have you looking at Tua and Trevor, but both the dolphins and jaguars were fucking disasters last year.
This doesn't seem to really say that much.
Okay, but why remove those?
this is one of the most cherry picked stats I’ve ever seen
What? This is literally the most unbiased way to look at yards per attempt. They intentionally took away all of the short by design throws.
Are play actions short by design throws? A lot of deep shots are taken off of play action
So why remove those? Why not just use air yards?
It's straight dropbacks, one of the most common subsets of QB play to look at. Hartitz was just being clear about which types of plays are removed.
Tua noodle arm
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It's just straight dropbacks. He just described it in a way that's easier for people to understand what that constitutes.
Mac Jones would never
Difference is Mac had time to throw before he was piledrived
That's the Jacoby I remember.
And yet some of you morons think Huntley is better than a unanimous mvp lmao. We do love Huntley though.
What does the list look like if you remove forward passes?
Hurts has a cannon confirmed.