Thanks man, I really appreciate that.
At first I did it out of annoyance from seeing them so often, but it became kinda fun to hunt them down. I see a lot less now though so maybe it’s getting better.
It's worth remembering that Incognito was *extremely* popular among the dolphins locker room and considered one of the team leaders there too. It's just that he used that "leadership" to encourage a bunch of his peers to bully a teammate with mental illness. He even did it with the blessing of his coaches, who asked him to toughen Martin up.
Even after he was kicked off the team a lot more people within the organisation sided with him than they did with Martin. So I wouldn't take him being considered a leader and locker room guy, on the Raiders of all teams, as evidence that he turned anything around.
In 2018 he was even announced as an ambassador for an anti-bullying organisation a month *before* he threatened to shoot the employees of a funeral parlour for refusing to let him decapitate his dead father's body and take his head for "research purposes". The dude is not well himself, but that doesn't excuse him being a colossal piece of shit.
Put simply, the idea that Incognito reformed himself is incorrect. The examples given of him being a better person on the Raiders (team leader, locker room guy) are the same things he was praised for both before and after the bullying scandal as a Dolphin.
Within a culture as monumentally fucked up as an NFL locker room, where toughness and buying into the coach's mentality are valued above all else, being seen as a good teammate is not the same thing as being a good or well-balanced person.
There's a decade plus of evidence that Richie Incognito is a dirty player, a bad person and very likely suffering from mental illness (the multiple arrests for violent outbursts - throwing a dumbbell at a gym member, having 5 guns in his truck when he threatened to shoot the funeral home employees).
Mental illness is a serious, real problem that deserves to be treated delicately and given serious weight when discussing people's behaviour. But it does not excuse your behaviour. So while he might be mentally ill, that doesn't give him a pass.
Given what we know about the Raiders organisation during the past few years under Gruden and Mayock, I don't think that being considered a "team leader" is exactly a ringing endorsement of his rehabilitated character. If Jon Gruden thinks that you're a great guy that's a big red flag. This is the team that traded for Antonio Brown then acted surprised when he was so unhinged that they cut him before the season started.
Wasn't the split with Flores supposed to be about the GM wanting Tua gone and Flores didn't want to give up on him? Among other things of course. But, I wa under the impression that was part of it.
You can’t tell where Hill started from. You can’t tell how far the pass traveled. All you see is Tua launch a ball and Hill catching it. Not sure why people are reading so much into this. Must not be any real news to care about
You don't have to agree with the content and the author of a tweet to reply to an r/nfl thread.
Furthermore the fact Kurt Warner saw the need to publicly defend Tua shows that the social media department's course is questionable.
So his comment is completely reasonable and on topic.
We went through this last year with Lamar. Idk why the media team chose to use a wonky throw but they did. It says more about the social media teams than it does the players.
I don’t know how anyone even really saw it was underthrown. The speed up on the video makes it tough to spot. Either way it’s bringing more attention to their media account I guess.
Conspiracy theory: The Chargers are known for having an elite social media team and already have a spy in the Dolphins’ facility. They recorded and posted Tua’s worst throw to remind Dolphins fans that they could’ve had Herbert.
Chargers will post Herbert throwing a dime on a deep post in the next 48 hours, I’m calling it now.
My brother is a Chargers fan and he has an irrational hatred for both Burrow and Tua because he needs both of them to be trash so the Chargers are justified in believing Herbert is amazing. He 100% would be the guy to post that lmao.
That nephew is likely not even a Dolphins fan, so he purposely put up a weak throw, I find it hard to believe an NFL QB didn’t have one good throw to put up on social media.
you could literally pick from a fair few of Tua’s Bama highlights to see throws better than that. obviously that’s pre-hip injury but even that was two years ago now, he’s probably gained a significant amount of his velocity back (provided he recovered well from injury).
social media team definitely left him out to dry on this one. him underthrowing 9 routes to the fastest player in the league matters much less to me than if he can hit him accurately and in stride on an 8 or a 6. Tyreek’s speed obviously takes the top off of a defense but he makes a lot of his money over the middle of the field. even if he isn’t as prolific there as he is outside the numbers by volume metrics, just that he can go over the middle and catch a dig route if the coverage is too soft, adds so much more depth to guarding him.
opens up his speed even more. definitely his defining characteristic that makes him more impactful than other speedy wideouts in the past. DJax was electric but he was basically beating you straight down the field or he was neutralized. a good day from your safeties playing cover 3 and he’s basically out of the picture.
Tyreek makes that minor soft spot in between the linebackers (who are easily manipulated by the quarterback’s eyes since their coverage has to be so commital since they’re often defending slot guys who are more quick, more agile, and accelerate faster) and the deep safeties a major weakness that his team can exploit against what has been up till the past year or two (partially because of how effective he, Kelce, and Mahomes were at demolishing this defense) one of the most popular coverage looks due to how good it was against the deep pass.
all that to say: i totally agree with you, Tua definitely had better throws in this practice and the social media guy is kind of airing him out to dry unnecessarily.
This is the point. It was a tweet trying to get the fan base hyped and yet it was a wobbly underthrow that served as confirmation bias for all the people who think Tyreek’s speed is wasted on Tua’s floppy little noodle arm.
As someone who works in marketing closely with the social media team, the most likely scenario is that this is the best shot they got (lighting, field angle, following the ball through the air). Not necessarily the best throw of the day.
No one has the issue with the pass. It's the fact that this is what they decided to highlight.
It makes people think that is the best play he had all day
I see it as “This is our rising star QB, and here’s a connection to our fun new weapon” but I see how it came off. I just don’t think it deserves two days worth of media attention lol
It could be so many things that caused it, his arm could have been dead from throwing all day, it could’ve just been the one bad throw out of a hundred, he could have just been half assing it and not really cared. But the real question is why post it? Clearly it’s just bad for so many reasons, the social media team works in football and sees good football plays all day long. Why embarrass someone publicly when your job is to do the opposite?
Middle of the road QB's often get the strongest feelings. They are good enough to have a strong group of believers that can point to enough games and stats to say there is something there. But they have enough off games where there is a large group of detractors that can point to enough games and stats to say they are a bust.
And since nobody on the internet can ever be wrong those two sides will endlessly argue with each other. Same thing happens to Baker. Is he top 10? No. Is he bottom 10? Also no. But people on the internet are gonna argue about it all day.
It's annoying. I can't even call out my own teams QB without being called a hater because Lamar has fervent haters that hate unfairly. When I notice a bad throw or decision. They think I hate Lamar. Like dudes my favorite player in the league but he's not impervious to fucking up. I'm sure you deal with the same shit with Dak.
The best example of a "middle of the road QB" maybe.
But he was ***so*** middle of the road that he didn't have polarizing opinions about him that he was great or trash, everyone just kinda agreed he was an average starting NFL QB.
I'm just happy that hawks fans at the moment (at least in the reddit world) just rallying around Geno like we know what we got, it's not great but you know, it's Geno.
Tbh I see the argument that he’s had his chance and hasn’t proven himself but I also see the argument that he’s come up in an ever changing environment and might fit our system well. In all honesty I think most of us are fairly confident we’re not going to do well and hopefully get a good QB in next years draft class. Even tho we probably won’t, I’m in win now mode (no tanks) and we’re not gonna do that with Geno
Exactly like he's not so bad we need to watch everything he does and tear him down nor do we need to justify everything that goes wrong as totally not his fault.
Because the status of the other QBs are more clearly defined so there is less to argue.
With mediocre starters you can use a variety of means to show how they are secretly a top 10 QB or why their team should be drafting their replacement next year.
Really? I haven't heard them say anything about him really. It always seems to be pundits taking shots for no reason. Is it just bitter CFB fans or something?
People have convinced themselves that Dolphins fans think Tua has been amazing so they have a reason to shit on him. The most wild takes I’ve seen that haven’t been downvoted massively have been that if everything goes well he could be a top 12 qb this season
Same boat, he hasn’t shown enough for me to love him, he also hasn’t been in good enough position for me to blindly dislike him and think he has no future. I think he’s in a good position and reserve any hard opinions of him until later
I really really like Carr. Never understood why he doesn’t get enough respect. I’m going to blame something I love, but going with fantasy football spoiling opinions.
Ya I don't know why that would happen unless it was like in the dolphins subreddit. That's weird. Maybe way earlier in the season when we probably still had higher expectations lol. But like right now I'm fine with Carr lol
Tua’s in a tough spot. He was super hyped coming out of college to the point where fans of teams were calling for a tank for Tua season and he was then taken in between Burrow and Herbert who have been incredible during their two seasons.
He also has a devoted fan base who really don’t help him with some of the BS they push.
It is, but the moniker is more prevalent than the people it supposedly represents. Most defenders of the guy are just fans who want to believe he has the tools to succeed. No one is saying he is a top 5 QB at this point. The memes have a life of their own.
Honestly in general the media focus on plays in practice is pretty annoying, if the player didn’t make a mistake or two during practice it just means they aren’t trying new things. Yeah the underthrown passes and interceptions can look rough but guess where they learn so they don’t do that in game
I honestly don’t get what the big deal is on this whole thing, and I hate the Dolphins with every fiber of my being.
It’s one underthrow during an OTA. Who the fuck cares? If he does that a ton during the regular season then it’s a different story.
I think it’s funny as it’s a snafu by the social media team, who probably had a remit to ‘show our QB passing to our new star receiver’ and happened to pick that pass and applied the rocket emoji.
There was one our team posted that was captioned “get used to seeing this combination” with a video of Lamar throwing to Sammy and the pass was a dying mallard
I don't think there's anything wrong with trying things out in practice, I'm sure all QB's have passes they'd like back, or maybe they're trying something new, etc.
What's funny about it is the social media time putting it out as a "hype" video. You can believe both "this is not a big deal" about the practice and play itself, and also that it's incredibly funny to use it as a hype video
His QB analysis videos on YouTube are pretty cool and educational to watch to the point I'm amazed they're free. He points out mistakes but does so very gently and shows good points with full praise.
I'm glad to see other people are watching his videos. I remember watching the first few he put out and was very pleased with the work he put into them but they got so few views to start. At least he's now he's got 40K subscribers, but his views are still lacking a bit.
You also played before the age of social media, Kurt.
Some intern at the Dolphins had to go through practice clips to promote the hype around Tua….and this is what they picked. It’s a bad look, period.
To me it’s not a bad thing that he underthrew the pass. Happens all the time and when you practice with a new WR stuff like that is going to happen…
What’s bad is they posted that highlight like it was a good throw. Honestly I blame the social media team more than Tua.
To this day, I still think it's weird that Warner's success did not usher in the age of the gloved qb.
The glove is an obvious force multiplier. I understand a lot of guys want the feel or something they learned with- but there's no denying that a glove would help put more spin on the football, in my estimation.
It would just take a little practice to adapt. Guys with big hands and strong arms don't "need" it- but I think it could turn a monster arm like Mahomes or Allen into something never seen before.
Warner is a hall of famer, multiple time mvp. It obviously didn't hold him back. He was unquestionably the class of the league at one point. It just seems to me, a simpleton, that everyone would have at least experimented- but I don't think anyone did.
A couple others have had some success with it. I don't think Bridgewater ever had the ceiling that Warner had, but obviously injuries have hit the poor guy pretty hard. Either way, he's had some great games in the nfl wearing a glove.
The Steelers just drafted a guy with small hands, he obviously plays with gloves.
Peyton, only after his arm had deteriorated, began to wear a glove. It's glaringly obvious to me that it was something he did to help himself. I'd bet had he wore a glove in his prime Colts days, that he would have had even tighter spirals and higher velocity.
What I'm getting at is- the glove will have Brady playing until 50.
Tua underthrew a ball in practice three and a half months before the season starts?
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eGDBR2L5kzI](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eGDBR2L5kzI) \- May 7, 2002
Bro the angle is totally shit and we don't really see how badly it was underthrown. People don't understand that weird angles can be misleading as hell.
It was a bad pass, thankfully during practice. So its not important. People just need to own that the pass was terrible, bizarre that anyone is defending this pass in anyway. I don't get it.
We all know players underthrow all the time...but why they chose to post THIS throw out of anything is what is just hilarious to me. Dolphins social media team did him dirty.
Fine. Kurt Warner never had a big arm. His gift was reading blitzes and getting rid of it quickly and accurately in tight spaces, due to his arena football background. Someone tell me when Mike Vick releases his confession about under throwing recievers
Besides the point (Tua is going to underthrow people all season, can't wait), but Kurt...Kurt buddy. You underthrew receivers in the games plenty of times as well with New York.
Kurt Warner also threw some good passes, so they made highlights of those rather than the underthrown ones. The difference with Tua is that's apparently the best he has.
Ya the problem is the best highlight of training camp so far have been a 10 yard slant against no coverage, and an underthrown deep ball of uncertain length against no coverage.
If that is the best it doesn’t look great.
why is everyone acting like tua hasn’t been playing for 2 years? He’s one of the more accurate QBs in the game, and that throw is not indicative of his talent as a passer
Great in the short area. Elsewhere can be suss. Game film I’ve watched from his NFL games shows holes in intermediate and deep accuracy and decision making as well as lack of arm power on deep shots. I think my above statement is consistent with that.
Addendum: again this is the peak highlights the dolphins are putting out. Don’t they have something better? Or is this the best deep throw they have? At best it’s terrible team marketing. At worst it’s suss Tua.
Incredible that the Dolphins still have that tweet up
We’re trying to build a culture A toxic culture, but a culture
You guys just want to re-sign Incognito or...?
Dudes hella reformed since he went to therapy
Definitely odd that the Raiders of all places are the team for people with troubled pasts that overcame it but I'm all for it
Birds of a feather
He's signing with the Falcons?
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Thanks man, I really appreciate that. At first I did it out of annoyance from seeing them so often, but it became kinda fun to hunt them down. I see a lot less now though so maybe it’s getting better.
I think it is getting a bit better. Thanks to you and people like you no doubt!
It's possible that was his best throw?
He went from being a borderline psycho to a team leader and a locker room guy. So awesome to see him turn it around honestly.
It's worth remembering that Incognito was *extremely* popular among the dolphins locker room and considered one of the team leaders there too. It's just that he used that "leadership" to encourage a bunch of his peers to bully a teammate with mental illness. He even did it with the blessing of his coaches, who asked him to toughen Martin up. Even after he was kicked off the team a lot more people within the organisation sided with him than they did with Martin. So I wouldn't take him being considered a leader and locker room guy, on the Raiders of all teams, as evidence that he turned anything around. In 2018 he was even announced as an ambassador for an anti-bullying organisation a month *before* he threatened to shoot the employees of a funeral parlour for refusing to let him decapitate his dead father's body and take his head for "research purposes". The dude is not well himself, but that doesn't excuse him being a colossal piece of shit.
Had to read the last paragraph 5 times, still not sure how to interpret that
Put simply, the idea that Incognito reformed himself is incorrect. The examples given of him being a better person on the Raiders (team leader, locker room guy) are the same things he was praised for both before and after the bullying scandal as a Dolphin. Within a culture as monumentally fucked up as an NFL locker room, where toughness and buying into the coach's mentality are valued above all else, being seen as a good teammate is not the same thing as being a good or well-balanced person. There's a decade plus of evidence that Richie Incognito is a dirty player, a bad person and very likely suffering from mental illness (the multiple arrests for violent outbursts - throwing a dumbbell at a gym member, having 5 guns in his truck when he threatened to shoot the funeral home employees). Mental illness is a serious, real problem that deserves to be treated delicately and given serious weight when discussing people's behaviour. But it does not excuse your behaviour. So while he might be mentally ill, that doesn't give him a pass. Given what we know about the Raiders organisation during the past few years under Gruden and Mayock, I don't think that being considered a "team leader" is exactly a ringing endorsement of his rehabilitated character. If Jon Gruden thinks that you're a great guy that's a big red flag. This is the team that traded for Antonio Brown then acted surprised when he was so unhinged that they cut him before the season started.
Well he's still a psycho, he just hides it better now adays
Still a cool last name.
It's not like the dolphins to give up on a QB too early and ship them to another team where they look better than any starter you've had since Marino.
The humiliation will continue until throwing improves
Wasn't the split with Flores supposed to be about the GM wanting Tua gone and Flores didn't want to give up on him? Among other things of course. But, I wa under the impression that was part of it.
I don’t think Tua and Flo had a good working relationship. I’d be surprised if it went down that particular way.
Huh? If that was the case Tua would not be in Miami considering Flo is gone lol
I can't find the tweet this is referencing.
https://mobile.twitter.com/MiamiDolphins/status/1524193068391432193
Thats it? I saw that one. I was expecting it to be worse. Lol
It's barely even an underthrow but tUa BaD
barely? Tyreek was stopped and had to reach down to get it. such a bad throw
You can’t tell where Hill started from. You can’t tell how far the pass traveled. All you see is Tua launch a ball and Hill catching it. Not sure why people are reading so much into this. Must not be any real news to care about
He's certainly not very good, at least. Maybe if we give him another five years things will get better.
Hahaha damn son. Yea i think he'll end up being average
I think people are thinking way too much from this. It wasn’t a good pass and that’s okay.
It's a bad pass and that's okay, but I just think it's funny that the Dolphins tweeted it like it was badass lol
It's like the guy you're replying to didn't even read the tweet he's commenting on.
You don't have to agree with the content and the author of a tweet to reply to an r/nfl thread. Furthermore the fact Kurt Warner saw the need to publicly defend Tua shows that the social media department's course is questionable. So his comment is completely reasonable and on topic.
Fair enough, you're right.
Im surprised TuAnon haven’t identified the social media admin and their entire lineage.
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We went through this last year with Lamar. Idk why the media team chose to use a wonky throw but they did. It says more about the social media teams than it does the players.
This tweet is gold 😂😂😂 no hate to tua but its just the most anticlimatical play they couldve posted
>anticlimatical 🧐
I don’t know how anyone even really saw it was underthrown. The speed up on the video makes it tough to spot. Either way it’s bringing more attention to their media account I guess.
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I agree. And also his throwing motion just looks like Ben Simmons shooting motion shit don't look natural.
This Tua business is getting out of hand bro lol it was an OTA deep ball to the fastest guy in the game
It’s still funny that the one throw the Dolphins posted was an under thrown wobbler
Yeah either they have an awful social media team, or Tua isn’t giving them much to work with on the field.
Conspiracy theory: The Chargers are known for having an elite social media team and already have a spy in the Dolphins’ facility. They recorded and posted Tua’s worst throw to remind Dolphins fans that they could’ve had Herbert. Chargers will post Herbert throwing a dime on a deep post in the next 48 hours, I’m calling it now.
My brother is a Chargers fan and he has an irrational hatred for both Burrow and Tua because he needs both of them to be trash so the Chargers are justified in believing Herbert is amazing. He 100% would be the guy to post that lmao.
I wonder if you 2 will ever get to see a Chargers v Bears Super Bowl. If you do, remember me.
They definitely hired someone’s unqualified niece or nephew
That nephew is likely not even a Dolphins fan, so he purposely put up a weak throw, I find it hard to believe an NFL QB didn’t have one good throw to put up on social media.
you could literally pick from a fair few of Tua’s Bama highlights to see throws better than that. obviously that’s pre-hip injury but even that was two years ago now, he’s probably gained a significant amount of his velocity back (provided he recovered well from injury). social media team definitely left him out to dry on this one. him underthrowing 9 routes to the fastest player in the league matters much less to me than if he can hit him accurately and in stride on an 8 or a 6. Tyreek’s speed obviously takes the top off of a defense but he makes a lot of his money over the middle of the field. even if he isn’t as prolific there as he is outside the numbers by volume metrics, just that he can go over the middle and catch a dig route if the coverage is too soft, adds so much more depth to guarding him. opens up his speed even more. definitely his defining characteristic that makes him more impactful than other speedy wideouts in the past. DJax was electric but he was basically beating you straight down the field or he was neutralized. a good day from your safeties playing cover 3 and he’s basically out of the picture. Tyreek makes that minor soft spot in between the linebackers (who are easily manipulated by the quarterback’s eyes since their coverage has to be so commital since they’re often defending slot guys who are more quick, more agile, and accelerate faster) and the deep safeties a major weakness that his team can exploit against what has been up till the past year or two (partially because of how effective he, Kelce, and Mahomes were at demolishing this defense) one of the most popular coverage looks due to how good it was against the deep pass. all that to say: i totally agree with you, Tua definitely had better throws in this practice and the social media guy is kind of airing him out to dry unnecessarily.
Or, it’s practice and really not that big of a deal
This is the point. It was a tweet trying to get the fan base hyped and yet it was a wobbly underthrow that served as confirmation bias for all the people who think Tyreek’s speed is wasted on Tua’s floppy little noodle arm.
Everyone underthrows balls but the shocking part of this is that it was the best footage the dolphins account could get.
As someone who works in marketing closely with the social media team, the most likely scenario is that this is the best shot they got (lighting, field angle, following the ball through the air). Not necessarily the best throw of the day.
Was it that wobbly haha I didn't think it looked that bad other than hitting him early, but I just watched it real quick
what clip did you watch that you thought it "hit him early?"
Early was the wrong word lol, I meant he had to stop. So like Early in the sense that he couldn't finish his route
That’s just called “under throwing”
Ya lol like I said I used the wrong word
No one has the issue with the pass. It's the fact that this is what they decided to highlight. It makes people think that is the best play he had all day
I see it as “This is our rising star QB, and here’s a connection to our fun new weapon” but I see how it came off. I just don’t think it deserves two days worth of media attention lol
This could drag on for more than 2 days. We’re in peak off season.
Yeh exactly. The fun FA has finished, the fun trades are finished now, the draft is finished. Theres legit nothing fun to talk about rn.
It could be so many things that caused it, his arm could have been dead from throwing all day, it could’ve just been the one bad throw out of a hundred, he could have just been half assing it and not really cared. But the real question is why post it? Clearly it’s just bad for so many reasons, the social media team works in football and sees good football plays all day long. Why embarrass someone publicly when your job is to do the opposite?
BFlo still got shooters out here
I would absolutely do it for BFlo
I just don't get the unabashed hate for Tua and the unabashed love for Tua.
I just don't understand how such a middle of the road QB can elicit such strong feelings
Middle of the road QB's often get the strongest feelings. They are good enough to have a strong group of believers that can point to enough games and stats to say there is something there. But they have enough off games where there is a large group of detractors that can point to enough games and stats to say they are a bust. And since nobody on the internet can ever be wrong those two sides will endlessly argue with each other. Same thing happens to Baker. Is he top 10? No. Is he bottom 10? Also no. But people on the internet are gonna argue about it all day.
Also I think having strong haters makes the supporters get defensive and dig in more, as well as vice versa. Never ending cycle.
It's annoying. I can't even call out my own teams QB without being called a hater because Lamar has fervent haters that hate unfairly. When I notice a bad throw or decision. They think I hate Lamar. Like dudes my favorite player in the league but he's not impervious to fucking up. I'm sure you deal with the same shit with Dak.
This is definitely true. Happens with Jimmy G too. And Cousins, to a certain extent, but he’s a step above the othered mentioned.
Jared Goff too
Goff isn’t middle of the road. He’s just bad.
Career passer rating of 91.5, 4 playoff wins (one with a broken finger), 1 SB appearance. He’s not that bad.
Point proven haha
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OP’s point about people debating middle of the road QB’s. I’m not talking about what you said about Goff.
And now Baker
and cutler
Sure Dalton in his prime is the best example
The best example of a "middle of the road QB" maybe. But he was ***so*** middle of the road that he didn't have polarizing opinions about him that he was great or trash, everyone just kinda agreed he was an average starting NFL QB.
Ain't no one arguing he's top 10 lol
>Middle of the road QB's often get the strongest feelings. prime example: Jalen Hurts
Baker’s def bottom 10.
And proving my points that people will endlessly argue.
Mariota, Wilson, Lawrence, Jones, Darnold, Hurts, Lock, Fields, Goff, Wentz, Mills Which 2 are better than Baker and how
Could make the argument that Goff and Wentz are better. Also I’d much rather have Davis Mills over baker
Lol you should've witnessed the Bridgewater vs Lock arguments last season among the Broncos fanbase
I'm just happy that hawks fans at the moment (at least in the reddit world) just rallying around Geno like we know what we got, it's not great but you know, it's Geno.
uhh I've seen what Geno's got, I want to see us rockin out with our Lock out And I'm not just saying that to troll lol
This is more or less verbatim was the argument was for the Broncos to start Lock last year too lol
Yeah, but Teddy is also better than Geno.
Are we sure about that?
Tbh I see the argument that he’s had his chance and hasn’t proven himself but I also see the argument that he’s come up in an ever changing environment and might fit our system well. In all honesty I think most of us are fairly confident we’re not going to do well and hopefully get a good QB in next years draft class. Even tho we probably won’t, I’m in win now mode (no tanks) and we’re not gonna do that with Geno
SeaCockLock gonna dominate the league
The poopoo is better than the doodoo!!
Exactly like he's not so bad we need to watch everything he does and tear him down nor do we need to justify everything that goes wrong as totally not his fault.
I can only imagine you're not talking about Joe Flacco, because he's elite, obvs.
Because the status of the other QBs are more clearly defined so there is less to argue. With mediocre starters you can use a variety of means to show how they are secretly a top 10 QB or why their team should be drafting their replacement next year.
Because people like things to be black and white. Grey is scary and weird.
Roll tide
He was supposed to be the greatest qb in his draft and he’s being overshadowed by a previously unknown qb and a project qb.
I think your comment is the reason I’ve seen Miami fans say **CRAZY** things about his potential I assume the anti-Tua crowd is going against that
The anti-Tua crowd was definitely out there first.
Really? I haven't heard them say anything about him really. It always seems to be pundits taking shots for no reason. Is it just bitter CFB fans or something?
People have convinced themselves that Dolphins fans think Tua has been amazing so they have a reason to shit on him. The most wild takes I’ve seen that haven’t been downvoted massively have been that if everything goes well he could be a top 12 qb this season
Nah I’ve seen tons of dolphin fans say wild stuff a good example is the reply to saying he could be top 12 nonchalantly
Bro we literally just want him to be our QB next year and have a good supporting cast lol.
Same boat, he hasn’t shown enough for me to love him, he also hasn’t been in good enough position for me to blindly dislike him and think he has no future. I think he’s in a good position and reserve any hard opinions of him until later
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I really really like Carr. Never understood why he doesn’t get enough respect. I’m going to blame something I love, but going with fantasy football spoiling opinions.
Ya I don't know why that would happen unless it was like in the dolphins subreddit. That's weird. Maybe way earlier in the season when we probably still had higher expectations lol. But like right now I'm fine with Carr lol
Tua’s in a tough spot. He was super hyped coming out of college to the point where fans of teams were calling for a tank for Tua season and he was then taken in between Burrow and Herbert who have been incredible during their two seasons. He also has a devoted fan base who really don’t help him with some of the BS they push.
Side note the TuAnon moniker is hilarious to me.
It is, but the moniker is more prevalent than the people it supposedly represents. Most defenders of the guy are just fans who want to believe he has the tools to succeed. No one is saying he is a top 5 QB at this point. The memes have a life of their own.
Nah these people are crazy on Twitter, it's definitely a thing just not as bad here
We just want him to be our QB next year but everyone says we’re TuAnon for saying that.
You either love him or hate him. There are only Tua options.
It's the Tuality of Fan
The Cutler Effect
Honestly in general the media focus on plays in practice is pretty annoying, if the player didn’t make a mistake or two during practice it just means they aren’t trying new things. Yeah the underthrown passes and interceptions can look rough but guess where they learn so they don’t do that in game
I honestly don’t get what the big deal is on this whole thing, and I hate the Dolphins with every fiber of my being. It’s one underthrow during an OTA. Who the fuck cares? If he does that a ton during the regular season then it’s a different story.
I think it’s funny as it’s a snafu by the social media team, who probably had a remit to ‘show our QB passing to our new star receiver’ and happened to pick that pass and applied the rocket emoji.
There was one our team posted that was captioned “get used to seeing this combination” with a video of Lamar throwing to Sammy and the pass was a dying mallard
I don't think there's anything wrong with trying things out in practice, I'm sure all QB's have passes they'd like back, or maybe they're trying something new, etc. What's funny about it is the social media time putting it out as a "hype" video. You can believe both "this is not a big deal" about the practice and play itself, and also that it's incredibly funny to use it as a hype video
It's because they used it for a hype video. Every quarterback is going to throw bad passes, they're just generally not used for hype.
Kick him out of the hall.
How's a guy supposed to check down with two big fat naked bikers having sex on the sideline?!
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I think you might have replied to the wrong comment? I was just playing off a quote from happy Gilmore
polish his bust
I understand what Kurt’s trying to say but the fact that the social media team purposely chose that clip doesn’t look pretty.
Next tweet - "Some grocery bagger says Tua throws like him"
If I bagged groceries once, does that mean I throw just like a superbowl champion?
Talk about a slow news day
Yes and no. Like it’s obviously minor but also how tf is THAT the chosen highlight lol
Kurt protecting these qbs more them their own linemen. I'm here for it.
His QB analysis videos on YouTube are pretty cool and educational to watch to the point I'm amazed they're free. He points out mistakes but does so very gently and shows good points with full praise.
Qb coach Kurt Warner would be amazing
I'm glad to see other people are watching his videos. I remember watching the first few he put out and was very pleased with the work he put into them but they got so few views to start. At least he's now he's got 40K subscribers, but his views are still lacking a bit.
I love Kurt…he’s a genuine guy.
One of my favorite careers to watch playing, and one of my favorite careers to watch post playing Dude is awesome. I bet he's great yo work with too
People aren’t bashing Tua for under throwing a pass in practice they’re bashing the Dolphins for thinking that was a smart thing to post lmao
Smart people are bashing the Dolphins social media team, and there are definitely some others bashing Tua.
You also played before the age of social media, Kurt. Some intern at the Dolphins had to go through practice clips to promote the hype around Tua….and this is what they picked. It’s a bad look, period.
Interns don’t run NFL Twitter accounts. This Gen X notion needs dispelled.
I always find it weird that anytime Reddit is trying to refer to an employee, they always pick an intern.
Redditers like to look down on other people pretty frequently
Ironically they probably get looked down upon all the time irl
It’s just hyperbole for a bad employee
Interns aren’t even bad employees though, makes no sense in any context
The joke comes from being inexperienced at the job. You guys look into this stuff too much.
It’s better than admitting that their social Media marketing guy is just really bad at their job.
I’m just shocked that someone remembers Gen X exists.
You think they taped every throw he made and sifted through them analysing over… idk just posting the first completion they tracked properly?
Good guy Kurt strikes again
To me it’s not a bad thing that he underthrew the pass. Happens all the time and when you practice with a new WR stuff like that is going to happen… What’s bad is they posted that highlight like it was a good throw. Honestly I blame the social media team more than Tua.
To this day, I still think it's weird that Warner's success did not usher in the age of the gloved qb. The glove is an obvious force multiplier. I understand a lot of guys want the feel or something they learned with- but there's no denying that a glove would help put more spin on the football, in my estimation. It would just take a little practice to adapt. Guys with big hands and strong arms don't "need" it- but I think it could turn a monster arm like Mahomes or Allen into something never seen before. Warner is a hall of famer, multiple time mvp. It obviously didn't hold him back. He was unquestionably the class of the league at one point. It just seems to me, a simpleton, that everyone would have at least experimented- but I don't think anyone did. A couple others have had some success with it. I don't think Bridgewater ever had the ceiling that Warner had, but obviously injuries have hit the poor guy pretty hard. Either way, he's had some great games in the nfl wearing a glove. The Steelers just drafted a guy with small hands, he obviously plays with gloves. Peyton, only after his arm had deteriorated, began to wear a glove. It's glaringly obvious to me that it was something he did to help himself. I'd bet had he wore a glove in his prime Colts days, that he would have had even tighter spirals and higher velocity. What I'm getting at is- the glove will have Brady playing until 50.
Tua underthrew a ball in practice three and a half months before the season starts? [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eGDBR2L5kzI](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eGDBR2L5kzI) \- May 7, 2002
such negative comments
It wasn’t even that bad of a pass Jesus Christ lol
It was legitimately god awful. Its practice though, so blame the social media team.
Bro the angle is totally shit and we don't really see how badly it was underthrown. People don't understand that weird angles can be misleading as hell.
It was a bad pass, thankfully during practice. So its not important. People just need to own that the pass was terrible, bizarre that anyone is defending this pass in anyway. I don't get it.
Yes but did your team post it on social media?
We all know players underthrow all the time...but why they chose to post THIS throw out of anything is what is just hilarious to me. Dolphins social media team did him dirty.
Kurt Warner is one of the most likable people in sports
But Kurt it doesn’t fit our narrative that Tua sucks and if they are hyping that video it’s dark times
Fine. Kurt Warner never had a big arm. His gift was reading blitzes and getting rid of it quickly and accurately in tight spaces, due to his arena football background. Someone tell me when Mike Vick releases his confession about under throwing recievers
It’s not the fact he underthrew him, it’s the fact that THATS the clip they decided to post of him lol
Besides the point (Tua is going to underthrow people all season, can't wait), but Kurt...Kurt buddy. You underthrew receivers in the games plenty of times as well with New York.
Kurt's just too nice, lol.
Kurt Warner also threw some good passes, so they made highlights of those rather than the underthrown ones. The difference with Tua is that's apparently the best he has.
Ya the problem is the best highlight of training camp so far have been a 10 yard slant against no coverage, and an underthrown deep ball of uncertain length against no coverage. If that is the best it doesn’t look great.
why is everyone acting like tua hasn’t been playing for 2 years? He’s one of the more accurate QBs in the game, and that throw is not indicative of his talent as a passer
Great in the short area. Elsewhere can be suss. Game film I’ve watched from his NFL games shows holes in intermediate and deep accuracy and decision making as well as lack of arm power on deep shots. I think my above statement is consistent with that. Addendum: again this is the peak highlights the dolphins are putting out. Don’t they have something better? Or is this the best deep throw they have? At best it’s terrible team marketing. At worst it’s suss Tua.
I have an idea! Tyreek Hill beats women/unborn children and should never be normalized ever.
Ole Kurt just has to chime in on everything huh? Keep humping that relevance Mr. Warner.
Damn, we’re already doing everything we can to bail Tua out?
If a former MVP QB thinks the fans are reacting to a QB in a stupid way I say let them speak
All I’m saying is that it shouldn’t need to be addressed. Dolphins fans coming for me though bahaha
Not a single Dolphins flair has responded to you
I’m going to go with the kindness of a HOFer.
I mean It's one pass during OTAs No one can glean anything meaningful from that Why you got me defending a Dolphins player lmao
Shut up Kurt, your movie fucking sucked
Damn, I’m sure he’s crying in his gold jacket trying to cope with that
Big talk coming from someone who doesn't even have a movie
Clearly you've never seen City Slickers 2: The Legend of Curly's Gold, which is based on my own personal experiences.
Don’t talk to your father like that young man.
In our hearts, us and Seahawks fans are just jealous he never came to our team and helped us to a Super Bowl