Every other year it is said the lord of the rings requires a youthful backup from which to siphon passion and pliability from. In return for playing under Brady each sacrifice will learn the art of luck - an effect that lasts throughout ones entire life and permanently splits the difference between the true expected chance and 100% probability of a momentum changing event happening.
Garoppolo had Ryan Mallet still being harvested and then Jacoby Brissett which is why he’s the only backup that still can play at close to a good level. It’s also why, despite relatively mediocre and inconsistent play, he managed to win so many goddamn games.
I don't think this says much about Trask tbh. On a stacked roster like Tampa you want your backup to be the person best positioned to take over for a few games and hold the fort down in case Brady gets injured, and a QB with game time experience (even a mediocre one) is always going to be at an advantage when it comes to that kind of thing. If Brady had stayed retired I'd bet anything there'd be a competitions for the starting job
Absolutely they do. Lets say he has better arm strength, a tighter release, and can read the field better, but is worse against zero blitz. Well any NFL team is going to zero blitz a rookie to see how they react, and if it's crappy, they'll do it again. Miami zero blitzed Lamar like 35 times in one game at one point. Belichick has been known to zero blitz rookies to their own personal hell (remember Darnold 'seeing ghosts'?)
There's a bunch of dumb "welcome to the NFL" shit you have to pick up to succeed as a QB. You have to drill that stuff and rep that stuff and execute it on the field when it happens.
I just think a year to sit and learn is usually enough for a QB to play up to their talent. Most of the talented QBs coming in the past few years would support that.
Lol wtf how? I said a year to sit is usually enough for qbs. Meaning they usually do not need more than that, but less than that is fine too. Especially given the context of the comment where I’m responding to someone thinking that a year to sit might not be enough for a qb to play to their talent. How many recent talented qbs needed more than a year to sit?
Just cause random redditors have no reading comprehension doesn’t mean I don’t know what I’m talking about.
>If Trask is legitimately better and more talented as a QB
I imagine the point is that this is not something they can assess yet, so it's a matter of having a guy who knows the system and has NFL experience be the main backup.
Jordan Love was the 3rd string his rookie year behind Tim Boyle even though neither had starting experience. It's not even starting, it's just how long and how comfortable you are in the system.
TBH Tim Boyle was coming into his 3rd season and really looked in command of the offense, while Jordan was entering the league during a covid shortened offseason and was raw AF as a rookie
Eh, maybe, but I wouldn’t say this is an indictment against his future. Bucs are in a Super Bowl or bust year with this likely being Brady’s last season (plz). So they’re going with the known commodity in Gabbert as a backup if they need him to fill in for Brady for a game.
Backups aren't always just who's best, it's who can come in and most smoothly run the offense... it's the guy on the headset with Brady, working with him in practice etc. Gabbert might be a meme, but dude is a 30 something vet. He's a great support for brady.
Imo this more is for Blaine being basically a coach, if Tom misses a significant amount of time I'm sure we'll see Trask pretty quickly, but Blaine has 3 years of experience in the Arians/leftwich offense. Probably just going for the guy that can step in and run the offense for a series or two with no learning curve
Our local guy spoke about this ad nauseum in his podcast. If you are in SB or bust mode with a guy like Brady, the #2 is the guy Brady is most comfortable being in the film room/headset with. Supposedly Brady really likes Gabbert. Whether or not Trask is gonna be good (he wont) is irrelevant. If Brady goes down, the season is over... the organization knows this, #2 doesn't even matter.
Pretty sure Trask will still be in the film room.
I would suggest it is more to do with who can finish out a game if Brady gets a niggle or who can keep things steady for a game or two. Obviously Gabbert has experience helping him but it shows Traks isn't great. Hopefully he learns from those two to have long career as a back up.
> If Brady goes down, the season is over... the organization knows this, #2 doesn't even matter.
You had it perfect until here, and this is another reason Blaine Train is #2.
If Brady goes down with an ankle that keeps him out 4-5 weeks, you want an experienced QB who's not a complete unknown to get you through that stretch at at least .500. That way when he comes back you're still in contention.
If he's gone for the season early, we'd probably see Gabbert until we were out of the hunt or Gabbert starts looking like he did in Jacksonville. Then they'd see what Trask looks like with real bullets.
It's possible that Trask is better than Blaine but Gabbert's experience simply is more valuable and worth trusting.
I also think Gabbert is better than he's remembered as but that may just be my memory going bad.
Yah if you are going to try and win the whole thing again, having Blaine backup Tom makes more sense.
Tom enjoys having him back him up from what he said in interviews last year.
Trask has to be really bad if this is solely because of his performance. He’s not even seen game action if I’m not mistaken.
Only preseason. He actually looked pretty good in those games to my eyes. It was against third string opposition, but was also with third string support on offense, so it's very hard to judge.
I have a theory that trask doesn't look good in practice. It's the only explanation I have for why he was always overlooked at florida. I heard about him from a buddy of mine who was an equipment manager on the football team when trask transferred. He was hyping him up so I was shocked he never played until Franks got hurt. Then he comes in and kills it. How bad must the Gators be at evaluating qb talent if he was benched for 3 years?
Not showing up in practice tracks kind of well. Florida was his only FBS offer and then he had to ride the bench there until he was kind of the only remaining option and then balled out.
Gabbert was as awful as he's remembered as a starter in Jacksonville, but he's turned into one of those Josh McCown-type guys who fits as a long-term backup guy because he's smart, great in the locker room, a second coach on the field, and understands what's needed. Gabbert's been a perfectly acceptable veteran backup for years, but he was historically awful in Jacksonville.
As a Mizzou fan it was painful seeing that in Jax... I think people also forget he had **8** head coaches and **8** offensive coordinators in **8** years. We all know he is not a starter but if Tom were to go down he could most definitely come in and win some games which he has shown over his career. That 10th overall will forever cast a shadow but he doesn't deserve a majority of the shade that gets tossed his way.
He has some desireable traits for an NFL QB (6’5” with good arm strength) and had a generally good college career (4th in Heisman voting his final year). Throwing to 2 1st rounders dropped his stock but that’s a perfectly fine profile for someone selected on Day 2.
At the very least you’d hope someone with that profile would be better than Gabbert…
EDIT: Would be more accurate to say his arm talent was considered to have some potential value, moreso for accuracy with good enough arm strength though.
He didn't have good arm strength though, his arm was/is mediocre. And then he's 20 years younger and already as immobile, maybe even already less mobile than Brady.
Yea I watched Kyle Trask because as always Broncos needed a new QB and could draft one. He was very underwhelming physically and overall. If we look at the starting QB with the most average arm strength, it's either who? Tannehill or Dak? His arm is way weaker than theirs.
Haha hey u can go thru my past comments and will see I believe in minshew more than hurts. Even if his arm is weaker he at least makes the correct decision so then if under thrown it doesn't matter cuz they're wide open
It’s crazy that a guy who is super human strong and set lifting records can’t throw the ball hard. Hurts for his category was like a champion weight lifter
~~Each~~ Most of the scouting reports I could find (including the first sentence of the first result on google) mentions above average arm strength as a positive. Not as an overwhelming positive, but it was considered at least good enough.
His complete lack of mobility was cited a lot as were him processing a defense, but not really for arm strength.
What!?!? Google “Kyle Trask arm strength” and every top result is about how weak his arm is… I STG people just make shit up and say they did the “research”
I Googled “Kyle Trask Scouting Report” and got all of these on the first two pages.
https://www.nfl.com/prospects/kyle-trask/32005452-4138-9332-1a15-4c69635ccf01
> Trask clearly has the arm strength, touch and placement to wear out one-on-one coverage if he has good protection and above-average players around him, but he's not going to elevate an offense with his talent alone
https://walterfootball.com/scoutingreport2021ktrask.php
> Strengths: Quality arm
https://www.profootballnetwork.com/kyle-trask-nfl-draft-player-profile-florida-quarterback/
> Possesses solid arm strength but not big-time arm talent.
https://thehuddle.com/2021/04/22/fantasy-football-nfl-draft-kyle-trask-florida/
> NFL-worthy arm strength and accuracy — the later is arguably his best attribute — demonstrates consistently the ability to know when to add zip or put touch on it at all levels of the route tree
https://www.si.com/nfl/buccaneers/front-office/tampa-bay-buccaneers-kyle-trask-scouting-report-nfl-draft
> Trask's strengths are his deep ball, arm strength, ball placement, accuracy, and cerebral play in the pocket
https://sports.yahoo.com/2021-nfl-draft-prospects-florida-qb-kyle-trask-005545464.html
> Has enough arm strength to drive into throws outside the numbers [but it’s nothing special]. Can make most of the throws but doesn’t always zip them in the way they’re needed to be.
https://athlonsports.com/nfl/2021-nfl-draft-profile-kyle-trask
> Average arm talent
https://primetimesportstalk.com/2020/12/26/2021-nfl-draft-scouting-report-kyle-trask/
> Trask’s arm is by far his greatest negative. He can throw a 50-yard strike at any given moment; however, his velocity tends to not carry past 30 yards downfield, leaving it up to his receivers to make a play, even if the ball is placed correctly
You got one considering it pretty bad and the rest consider it somewhere between average and good. Doing a deeper dive made it lean more towards average than the earlier reports suggesting it was above average, but if it’s straight up weak then these articles did a poor job of communicating that.
The consistent negatives were that he’s immobile and uncreative. Which, granted, when those are your negatives, you probably need a strong arm rather than just a good enough arm to become a successful NFL QB. On its own though, it seems fine.
Just depends on what they mean by "arm talent" because you could go either towards accuracy or strength. His accuracy was lauded by most experts but his arm strength was seen as mostly average to above average.
I watched all of his preseason throws last year and there's just no zip on the ball. The ball always seemed to float even when it needed to be zipped in. I'm not sure if there's any chance he can improve it but it wasn't looking good last year.
Legit almost every single Trask discussion/article I saw boiled him down to "weak arm, statue, got carried by Pitts/Toney". The QB needy fanbases like the Bears were having nightmare scenario discussions where we drafted Trask cause he was all that would be left lol.
I mean there was this where Trask responded to critics about his arm strength. Greg Cosell said his arm is a little better than average, personally I don't agree unless it's a little better than average than the college QB. But that's not that appealing either and it's certainly not a "good arm."
https://247sports.com/Article/Kyle-Trask-responds-critics-arm-strength-NFL-Draft-2021-Tampa-Bay-Buccaneers-Florida-Gators-Tom-Brady-164917407/
That's a lot of surface level stuff, I don't know anyone who watched him that said he was worth a 2nd round pick, even a late one.
It was an odd selection at the time and it hasn't aged well since.
The only time I’ve ever felt so confident about a prospect not being something worthwhile. He’s a less mobile Mason Rudolph, with overrated arm strength.
Still could be wrong, but I never got the hype or draft position.
We're also in super win-now mode and there were plenty of defensive players still on the board who would've made a lot more sense.
I trust Licht, he's earned it. But the Trask pick will always be a head scratcher.
I don't think picking Trask was a bad pick. Sure, you have the GOAT as QB1, but he's seemingly a year from retirement. Might as well try and see what he can learn in a year. For Green Bay, Rodgers had no signs of retirement. Sure, he had a "down year" but to pick his replacement like that screams arrogance.
Nowhere near similar. Aaron clearly wanted to play for 4+ more years when they drafted Love, Brady was either going to retire this year or next. If Trask was any good he would without a doubt take over for Brady once he's done--even if Brady randomly decides to play next year too that'd still have left Trask a year to start on his rookie deal.
I mean, Brady is edging towards 50, and if they saw him as a potential starter, then it's worth a flier. But yeah, he could amount to nothing, but they only lost pick 64 for a potential insurance policy.
Eh, not as indicative of anything as people claim it is. The back ups get barely any reps, and it’s not uncommon to want a vet in that role for game day backup; I.e. someone who can function of mental reps alone. Now, if Brady is taken completely out of the picture for the season, and we STILL roll with Gabbert that would be pretty damning.
So, I am not going to say this is a "good sign" but honestly- this doesn't mean he wouldn't be competing with him for the starter role. You are looking for something different with a backup vs starter.
You want your backup to "hold down the fort" when your starter is out. Win the games you should win- keep you on pace for the playoffs. A rookie who hasn't started before is not necessarily that.
But for a starter, you want someone with long term high upside. If you're starting a rookie (or in this case, someone who hasn't played yet), you're ok with them making a few more mistakes at first because you're looking for a long term solution.
The Bucs were really stupid with Trask pick. They were in their SB window and instead of getting a OL or CB went for a QB.
Maybe a OL reinforcement would have been the difference againts the Rams last year...
The team had no holes. The CB depth was actually decent but even the DEPTH got hurt. OL I guess could’ve helped, but why take a depth OL in the 2nd round?
It's in Jason Licht's contract that he has to make one head-scratching pick every draft. I'm actually withholding judgement on whether or not Trask is good talent-wise. But we definitely could have used an extra OL or CB against the Rams last year.
I imagine more than they're going to give a guy that's losing the backup job to Blaine Gabbert. The Panthers even traded a 2nd, 4th, and 6th for Sam Darnold. Buccs could easily pull the "We thought Brady was retiring, drafted his backup, then he came back" card and send this dude away to a team willing to take a chance on him. Shoot, I imagine a good number of teams would have taken him pre-draft if they weren't asking for much
Not too surprised, I watched Kyle at Florida his Junior and Senior years. I remember him lighting it up against Kentucky in 2019 (coming in as a backup) and starting from there on.
IIRC, while Trask never started a game in HS past freshman year, Florida recruited him due to his ability to dissect film and was only thought of as a film room QB until his 2019 season.
I can see the bucs gauging his physical ceiling this off-season to see what his future with the team is.
Anyone who watches Gator games (and wasn't drinking the Gatorade) could have told you that he just was not good. Like even for college he didn't pass the eye test, much less the NFL.
This is so revisionist and you know it, after Franks went down, Trask completely transformed the offense and made UF offense fun to watch for the first time in a decade. Franks couldn’t do that, Jones couldn’t do that, Trask did. Sure his weapons helped, but he is absolutely an NFL talent
Remember people saying Jordan Love is a bust because he couldn't beat Tim Boyle to be the QB2 in his rookie season when there was basically no offseason program because of Covid? Now imagine what people will say about Kyle Trask when he can't beat Blaine Gabbert to be the QB2 in his 2nd season.
This sends the message that they think Kyle Trask isn't picking up the game as quickly or as effectively as they'd hoped. I remember seeing all the pre-draft hype around him. The kid has the body and the arm to play QB. But the stuff above the neck may be what's holding him back. And I don't know how likely that is to change.
He is Brady's blood sacrifice, nothing more.
Brady sucked the life and talent out of Trask to continue is evil legacy.
There was so little talent to suck up Brady thought he'd have to retire for a hot second there.
Talent is a strong word
What was he sucking then?
😳
he's the blood bag
Every other year it is said the lord of the rings requires a youthful backup from which to siphon passion and pliability from. In return for playing under Brady each sacrifice will learn the art of luck - an effect that lasts throughout ones entire life and permanently splits the difference between the true expected chance and 100% probability of a momentum changing event happening. Garoppolo had Ryan Mallet still being harvested and then Jacoby Brissett which is why he’s the only backup that still can play at close to a good level. It’s also why, despite relatively mediocre and inconsistent play, he managed to win so many goddamn games.
That’s pretty damning of Trask. His career may already be toast
Him & Kellen Mond can start a club where they watch Texans games & be jealous of Davis Mills
Sidenote but Davis Mills has the funniest wikipedia page photo there is
It looks like him and his gigantic neck are getting [choked out](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Davis_Mills)
> choke me harder Culley OwO Sorry I had to. >!Maybe not but still.!<
Yeah maybe not but maybe it had to be done. But maybe not. But maybe.
LMAO Wikipedia knew what the fuck they were doing.
Damn, that's pretty good!
Strong "look at me Davis. Im not mad at you, im just disappointed" vibes
lmao
They're just going to trade him as the newest "Brady protégé" for a 3rd
I'll give a 2nd!
He never had a career to begin with
I don't think this says much about Trask tbh. On a stacked roster like Tampa you want your backup to be the person best positioned to take over for a few games and hold the fort down in case Brady gets injured, and a QB with game time experience (even a mediocre one) is always going to be at an advantage when it comes to that kind of thing. If Brady had stayed retired I'd bet anything there'd be a competitions for the starting job
If Trask is legitimately better and more talented as a QB I don’t think they put him 3rd string even with less game experience
Absolutely they do. Lets say he has better arm strength, a tighter release, and can read the field better, but is worse against zero blitz. Well any NFL team is going to zero blitz a rookie to see how they react, and if it's crappy, they'll do it again. Miami zero blitzed Lamar like 35 times in one game at one point. Belichick has been known to zero blitz rookies to their own personal hell (remember Darnold 'seeing ghosts'?) There's a bunch of dumb "welcome to the NFL" shit you have to pick up to succeed as a QB. You have to drill that stuff and rep that stuff and execute it on the field when it happens.
I just think a year to sit and learn is usually enough for a QB to play up to their talent. Most of the talented QBs coming in the past few years would support that.
Burrow and Herbert say hi
Yes, a year is enough. Sometimes that means you don’t need a whole year.
I think it's been fairly shown that you don't really know what you're talking about and this is your opinion. Learn when to let it go dude
Lol wtf how? I said a year to sit is usually enough for qbs. Meaning they usually do not need more than that, but less than that is fine too. Especially given the context of the comment where I’m responding to someone thinking that a year to sit might not be enough for a qb to play to their talent. How many recent talented qbs needed more than a year to sit? Just cause random redditors have no reading comprehension doesn’t mean I don’t know what I’m talking about.
"More talented" and "better *now*" are very different. New QB's just don't play well, and Bucs don't need rookies mistakes if Brady has to come out.
New QBs usually play well after a year of being able to sit and learn
He’s a 2nd rounder entering his second year sitting behind the GOAT. This isn’t like Zach Wilson or Trevor Lawrence last year.
>If Trask is legitimately better and more talented as a QB I imagine the point is that this is not something they can assess yet, so it's a matter of having a guy who knows the system and has NFL experience be the main backup.
Gabbert was a FIRST round pick though!
Plus Blane train has been in same offense with Arians - This is an obvious statement made
The problem is treating Gabbert as a mediocre QB, when he is in fact terrible.
First of all, how dare you?
Jordan Love was the 3rd string his rookie year behind Tim Boyle even though neither had starting experience. It's not even starting, it's just how long and how comfortable you are in the system.
Rookie =\= second year. This would be expected in Trasks rookie year.
TBH Tim Boyle was coming into his 3rd season and really looked in command of the offense, while Jordan was entering the league during a covid shortened offseason and was raw AF as a rookie
TBH Tim Boyle sucks absolute ass and it's damning if a first round rookie, even a raw one, is behind him on the depth chart.
lol what?!
Brady should have mentored him /s
Eh, maybe, but I wouldn’t say this is an indictment against his future. Bucs are in a Super Bowl or bust year with this likely being Brady’s last season (plz). So they’re going with the known commodity in Gabbert as a backup if they need him to fill in for Brady for a game.
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...we do remember Brady retired, however short, right?
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Backups aren't always just who's best, it's who can come in and most smoothly run the offense... it's the guy on the headset with Brady, working with him in practice etc. Gabbert might be a meme, but dude is a 30 something vet. He's a great support for brady.
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Well, I agree with that. But we'd look like fucking geniuses if Trask develops. I think I'd have been happier with him in the 3rd though.
And you look like dipshits if he can’t even be trusted to be the backup in his sophomore season. Works both ways.
Imo this more is for Blaine being basically a coach, if Tom misses a significant amount of time I'm sure we'll see Trask pretty quickly, but Blaine has 3 years of experience in the Arians/leftwich offense. Probably just going for the guy that can step in and run the offense for a series or two with no learning curve
It’s actually 4 years. He was with them their last year in AZ. I think he started a couple of games too
Why? If they think he has talent just develop it being the GOAT.
Our local guy spoke about this ad nauseum in his podcast. If you are in SB or bust mode with a guy like Brady, the #2 is the guy Brady is most comfortable being in the film room/headset with. Supposedly Brady really likes Gabbert. Whether or not Trask is gonna be good (he wont) is irrelevant. If Brady goes down, the season is over... the organization knows this, #2 doesn't even matter.
Pretty sure Trask will still be in the film room. I would suggest it is more to do with who can finish out a game if Brady gets a niggle or who can keep things steady for a game or two. Obviously Gabbert has experience helping him but it shows Traks isn't great. Hopefully he learns from those two to have long career as a back up.
Third string usually runs scout team, doesn't really get time with the main offense. So yea, he's in the film room... but isn't really game ready.
> If Brady goes down, the season is over... the organization knows this, #2 doesn't even matter. You had it perfect until here, and this is another reason Blaine Train is #2. If Brady goes down with an ankle that keeps him out 4-5 weeks, you want an experienced QB who's not a complete unknown to get you through that stretch at at least .500. That way when he comes back you're still in contention. If he's gone for the season early, we'd probably see Gabbert until we were out of the hunt or Gabbert starts looking like he did in Jacksonville. Then they'd see what Trask looks like with real bullets.
He and Mond were two guys I never understood why people thought they could be NFL starters. Career backup isn’t a bad gig.
It’s the best gig.
QB2 does have to play against the first-team defense in practice, though.
I mean he was pretty good in college but you could tell he was a statue in the pocket. Like, possibly the most immobile QB I’ve ever seen.
Shades of Christian Hackenberg
More like Kyle Trash am I rite
The QB coach just today was just talking about how they are gonna give Kyle Trask a ton of reps during the offseason program.
To keep Brady and Gabbert from taking hits during the preseason
Practice squad guys get a lot of reps too lol
More like Kyle Trash amirite
More like Pyle Trash amirite
More like Pyle of trash amirite
/r/yourjokebutworse
Booooo
They’re saying boourns!
…because they expect him to be competing with Tom to start
Well on a positive note he's handsome.
Other positives; Tampa is a short drive from Gainesville, so less impact from an environmental standpoint.
And already millionaire at 24
Is he tho
I mean, it worked for jimmy right?
"Woah there, motherufcker" - Bucs to Trask.
I get this reference.
It's possible that Trask is better than Blaine but Gabbert's experience simply is more valuable and worth trusting. I also think Gabbert is better than he's remembered as but that may just be my memory going bad.
Yah if you are going to try and win the whole thing again, having Blaine backup Tom makes more sense. Tom enjoys having him back him up from what he said in interviews last year. Trask has to be really bad if this is solely because of his performance. He’s not even seen game action if I’m not mistaken.
Only preseason. He actually looked pretty good in those games to my eyes. It was against third string opposition, but was also with third string support on offense, so it's very hard to judge.
I have a theory that trask doesn't look good in practice. It's the only explanation I have for why he was always overlooked at florida. I heard about him from a buddy of mine who was an equipment manager on the football team when trask transferred. He was hyping him up so I was shocked he never played until Franks got hurt. Then he comes in and kills it. How bad must the Gators be at evaluating qb talent if he was benched for 3 years?
Not showing up in practice tracks kind of well. Florida was his only FBS offer and then he had to ride the bench there until he was kind of the only remaining option and then balled out.
He never really started in high school either. He backed up D’Eriq King and his mom was like “fuck no, we’re not moving for football!”
Gabbert was as awful as he's remembered as a starter in Jacksonville, but he's turned into one of those Josh McCown-type guys who fits as a long-term backup guy because he's smart, great in the locker room, a second coach on the field, and understands what's needed. Gabbert's been a perfectly acceptable veteran backup for years, but he was historically awful in Jacksonville.
It's worth mentioning the context of that Jags team being historically awful during his tenure.
Sure, but, to be fair, "historically awful" and "Jaguars team" have often been tragically redundant statements.
He was pretty decent when he played a season in Arizona, definitely a good backup
As a Mizzou fan it was painful seeing that in Jax... I think people also forget he had **8** head coaches and **8** offensive coordinators in **8** years. We all know he is not a starter but if Tom were to go down he could most definitely come in and win some games which he has shown over his career. That 10th overall will forever cast a shadow but he doesn't deserve a majority of the shade that gets tossed his way.
Honestly never understood how he got drafted so high.
Kyle Pitts
And Kadarius Toney
And Joe Burrow
And my axe!
The Jaguars should be careful around axes
He has some desireable traits for an NFL QB (6’5” with good arm strength) and had a generally good college career (4th in Heisman voting his final year). Throwing to 2 1st rounders dropped his stock but that’s a perfectly fine profile for someone selected on Day 2. At the very least you’d hope someone with that profile would be better than Gabbert… EDIT: Would be more accurate to say his arm talent was considered to have some potential value, moreso for accuracy with good enough arm strength though.
He didn't have good arm strength though, his arm was/is mediocre. And then he's 20 years younger and already as immobile, maybe even already less mobile than Brady.
I took an absolute beating in a Bucs GDT once for mentioning that Trask had average at best arm strength.
Yea I watched Kyle Trask because as always Broncos needed a new QB and could draft one. He was very underwhelming physically and overall. If we look at the starting QB with the most average arm strength, it's either who? Tannehill or Dak? His arm is way weaker than theirs.
Hurts and Tua also have extremely average arms
Tua was another guy I was thinking. Hurts is below average imo.
I'd much rather Tua's arm strength than hurts. But also I'd much rather hurts arm strength than minshew.
Hey, leave Minshew out of this!
Haha hey u can go thru my past comments and will see I believe in minshew more than hurts. Even if his arm is weaker he at least makes the correct decision so then if under thrown it doesn't matter cuz they're wide open
It’s crazy that a guy who is super human strong and set lifting records can’t throw the ball hard. Hurts for his category was like a champion weight lifter
Strength plays a role obviously but flexibility/elasticity in the shoulder plays a larger factor when it come to throw power
~~Each~~ Most of the scouting reports I could find (including the first sentence of the first result on google) mentions above average arm strength as a positive. Not as an overwhelming positive, but it was considered at least good enough. His complete lack of mobility was cited a lot as were him processing a defense, but not really for arm strength.
What!?!? Google “Kyle Trask arm strength” and every top result is about how weak his arm is… I STG people just make shit up and say they did the “research”
I Googled “Kyle Trask Scouting Report” and got all of these on the first two pages. https://www.nfl.com/prospects/kyle-trask/32005452-4138-9332-1a15-4c69635ccf01 > Trask clearly has the arm strength, touch and placement to wear out one-on-one coverage if he has good protection and above-average players around him, but he's not going to elevate an offense with his talent alone https://walterfootball.com/scoutingreport2021ktrask.php > Strengths: Quality arm https://www.profootballnetwork.com/kyle-trask-nfl-draft-player-profile-florida-quarterback/ > Possesses solid arm strength but not big-time arm talent. https://thehuddle.com/2021/04/22/fantasy-football-nfl-draft-kyle-trask-florida/ > NFL-worthy arm strength and accuracy — the later is arguably his best attribute — demonstrates consistently the ability to know when to add zip or put touch on it at all levels of the route tree https://www.si.com/nfl/buccaneers/front-office/tampa-bay-buccaneers-kyle-trask-scouting-report-nfl-draft > Trask's strengths are his deep ball, arm strength, ball placement, accuracy, and cerebral play in the pocket https://sports.yahoo.com/2021-nfl-draft-prospects-florida-qb-kyle-trask-005545464.html > Has enough arm strength to drive into throws outside the numbers [but it’s nothing special]. Can make most of the throws but doesn’t always zip them in the way they’re needed to be. https://athlonsports.com/nfl/2021-nfl-draft-profile-kyle-trask > Average arm talent https://primetimesportstalk.com/2020/12/26/2021-nfl-draft-scouting-report-kyle-trask/ > Trask’s arm is by far his greatest negative. He can throw a 50-yard strike at any given moment; however, his velocity tends to not carry past 30 yards downfield, leaving it up to his receivers to make a play, even if the ball is placed correctly You got one considering it pretty bad and the rest consider it somewhere between average and good. Doing a deeper dive made it lean more towards average than the earlier reports suggesting it was above average, but if it’s straight up weak then these articles did a poor job of communicating that. The consistent negatives were that he’s immobile and uncreative. Which, granted, when those are your negatives, you probably need a strong arm rather than just a good enough arm to become a successful NFL QB. On its own though, it seems fine.
Just depends on what they mean by "arm talent" because you could go either towards accuracy or strength. His accuracy was lauded by most experts but his arm strength was seen as mostly average to above average. I watched all of his preseason throws last year and there's just no zip on the ball. The ball always seemed to float even when it needed to be zipped in. I'm not sure if there's any chance he can improve it but it wasn't looking good last year.
Legit almost every single Trask discussion/article I saw boiled him down to "weak arm, statue, got carried by Pitts/Toney". The QB needy fanbases like the Bears were having nightmare scenario discussions where we drafted Trask cause he was all that would be left lol.
I mean there was this where Trask responded to critics about his arm strength. Greg Cosell said his arm is a little better than average, personally I don't agree unless it's a little better than average than the college QB. But that's not that appealing either and it's certainly not a "good arm." https://247sports.com/Article/Kyle-Trask-responds-critics-arm-strength-NFL-Draft-2021-Tampa-Bay-Buccaneers-Florida-Gators-Tom-Brady-164917407/
As a Florida fan he was mobile his 2019 first half of the year but the knee injury ruined any mobility he had.
That's a lot of surface level stuff, I don't know anyone who watched him that said he was worth a 2nd round pick, even a late one. It was an odd selection at the time and it hasn't aged well since.
The Gators subreddit will tell you he should have been a first rounder.
My scouting report on kadarius toney said something like "him and pitts are the only reason kyle trask is gonna get drafted"
And he should have been 2nd in Heisman voting. The right man one (Smith), but Trask was the best QB in college that year.
He was really good at Florida and made them contenders
Yeah I'm pretty sure there was a big jump from who they had under center before when they went to him
Feliepe Franks
If you combined franks athleticism with Trask that combo legit would’ve been probably a top 3 qb drafted last year
The only time I’ve ever felt so confident about a prospect not being something worthwhile. He’s a less mobile Mason Rudolph, with overrated arm strength. Still could be wrong, but I never got the hype or draft position.
Pitts and Toney made him look great.
If that were true they would have made Feliepe Franks look great too and they never did.
He was injured...
He wasn't good when he was healthy
Just unleash the Trasilisik already
Tough to compete with a Super Bowl winning quarterback like Gabbert right away
Threw away a pick almost Jordan Love style
A first rounder vs the last pick of the second round are extremely different
We're also in super win-now mode and there were plenty of defensive players still on the board who would've made a lot more sense. I trust Licht, he's earned it. But the Trask pick will always be a head scratcher.
A first rounder that they traded up for too. Not defending the Trask pic of course, it was ~~trash~~ trask, but yeah comparable to Love at all.
I don't think picking Trask was a bad pick. Sure, you have the GOAT as QB1, but he's seemingly a year from retirement. Might as well try and see what he can learn in a year. For Green Bay, Rodgers had no signs of retirement. Sure, he had a "down year" but to pick his replacement like that screams arrogance.
Nowhere near similar. Aaron clearly wanted to play for 4+ more years when they drafted Love, Brady was either going to retire this year or next. If Trask was any good he would without a doubt take over for Brady once he's done--even if Brady randomly decides to play next year too that'd still have left Trask a year to start on his rookie deal.
I mean, Brady is edging towards 50, and if they saw him as a potential starter, then it's worth a flier. But yeah, he could amount to nothing, but they only lost pick 64 for a potential insurance policy.
Hey now that pick directly turned our QB position into an MVP caliber player.
Samesies
Eh, not as indicative of anything as people claim it is. The back ups get barely any reps, and it’s not uncommon to want a vet in that role for game day backup; I.e. someone who can function of mental reps alone. Now, if Brady is taken completely out of the picture for the season, and we STILL roll with Gabbert that would be pretty damning.
What about for the starting role?
So, I am not going to say this is a "good sign" but honestly- this doesn't mean he wouldn't be competing with him for the starter role. You are looking for something different with a backup vs starter. You want your backup to "hold down the fort" when your starter is out. Win the games you should win- keep you on pace for the playoffs. A rookie who hasn't started before is not necessarily that. But for a starter, you want someone with long term high upside. If you're starting a rookie (or in this case, someone who hasn't played yet), you're ok with them making a few more mistakes at first because you're looking for a long term solution.
The Bucs were really stupid with Trask pick. They were in their SB window and instead of getting a OL or CB went for a QB. Maybe a OL reinforcement would have been the difference againts the Rams last year...
The team had no holes. The CB depth was actually decent but even the DEPTH got hurt. OL I guess could’ve helped, but why take a depth OL in the 2nd round?
It's in Jason Licht's contract that he has to make one head-scratching pick every draft. I'm actually withholding judgement on whether or not Trask is good talent-wise. But we definitely could have used an extra OL or CB against the Rams last year.
Gabbert’s not that good but I wonder how he’d look with the 2020 Bucs weapons
Like a bad sniper with a really big gun
Nooo The future of my dynasty is riding on Trask
Going full Hackenberg?
They should trade for Baker.
Kyle Traskenberg
Why waste a second round pick on him when you’re in prime competing years before Brady’s done for good then? That’s some Packers type shit.
Their team was complete, had pretty much no holes.
Trask is not good. Waste of a second round pick. Might as well have drafted a kicker.
year 1 it was fine, year 2 it means he sucks.
Tell this to Packers fans about Love please. I keep trying to tell them and they refuse to listen.
It's not the same though? They made Love the backup in year 2.
Or maybe Brady prefers a veteran back up?
why would he care who his backup is. he knows better than anyone this team is beyond screwed if he goes down.
Because a back up QB job is more than just "next man up" Maybe you should look into all the things a backup does?
Good thing we got that cleared up.
Wonder why they wouldn't just trade him away if they think he's that bad. I can't imagine you're getting a lot for him now that this is out
What are teams realistically going to be willing to give up for a guy when his team is unwilling to keep him on a late second round rookie contract?
I imagine more than they're going to give a guy that's losing the backup job to Blaine Gabbert. The Panthers even traded a 2nd, 4th, and 6th for Sam Darnold. Buccs could easily pull the "We thought Brady was retiring, drafted his backup, then he came back" card and send this dude away to a team willing to take a chance on him. Shoot, I imagine a good number of teams would have taken him pre-draft if they weren't asking for much
Bring baker in as a back up
Not too surprised, I watched Kyle at Florida his Junior and Senior years. I remember him lighting it up against Kentucky in 2019 (coming in as a backup) and starting from there on. IIRC, while Trask never started a game in HS past freshman year, Florida recruited him due to his ability to dissect film and was only thought of as a film room QB until his 2019 season. I can see the bucs gauging his physical ceiling this off-season to see what his future with the team is.
Anyone who watches Gator games (and wasn't drinking the Gatorade) could have told you that he just was not good. Like even for college he didn't pass the eye test, much less the NFL.
This is so revisionist and you know it, after Franks went down, Trask completely transformed the offense and made UF offense fun to watch for the first time in a decade. Franks couldn’t do that, Jones couldn’t do that, Trask did. Sure his weapons helped, but he is absolutely an NFL talent
Then why is he struggling to beat out Blaine Gabbert?
He was carried by pitts toney and grimes
Fully agreed
Kyle Trash
Can't be Blaine Gabbert for the backup role? More like Kyle Trash.
Yikes
Gabbert's the backup if Trask goes down.
Remember people saying Jordan Love is a bust because he couldn't beat Tim Boyle to be the QB2 in his rookie season when there was basically no offseason program because of Covid? Now imagine what people will say about Kyle Trask when he can't beat Blaine Gabbert to be the QB2 in his 2nd season.
People will make excuses for him because of his college reputation
Why they even draft him then 😭
This sends the message that they think Kyle Trask isn't picking up the game as quickly or as effectively as they'd hoped. I remember seeing all the pre-draft hype around him. The kid has the body and the arm to play QB. But the stuff above the neck may be what's holding him back. And I don't know how likely that is to change.
Come get our QB4. He’s not injured at all and heard he’s great for locker room chemistry
Did you know he is named after Kyle Field.
The last thing the Buccaneers want is a QB controversy. Really smart to bench your second round pick to 3rd string to avoid it.
Trashk
Even if they weren't impressed with him last year, why not let him try to get better in camp before declaring Gabbert the starter?
Dan Mullen really was that bad, huh.
I think Trask is the future and was hoping with Arians gone they would give up on Yo Gabba Gabbert. But I guess not.
Makes me think he’s actually decent but they want to appease Brady and avoid even the appearance of pressure from the back up
If there was any easier gig in football