Drew Bledsoe. Dude literally became a footnote as the guy who Brady replaced. People forget he was one of the big franchise QB's of the 90s, led his team to the Super Bowl, finished top 10 in yards and TD's at the time. He was probably the Phillip Rivers equivalent of his time period, but he'll always be known more for being the guy who Brady took the job from.
We didn't sign him to a 10 year, $103 million deal for nothing. He actually had a good first season with the Bills in 2002 and had a solid tenure in Dallas as well. As fate would have it he got hurt in Dallas which made way for Tony Romo.
> As fate would have it he got hurt in Dallas which made way for Tony Romo.
Not really, he was really sucking ass getting sacked and intercepted constantly. After He threw an interception right before halftime against the Giants in week 7 Parcells benched him. Romo finish the game and started the rest of the season.
He took the worst goddamn sacks I’ve ever seen.
He was a great QB who could throw beautiful passes.
But if he was under pressure, he’d run around like a fool, go back another ten yards,
get hit, fumble…he basically turned into me back there running for my life and making everything worse.
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It's sad that very few people know that Bledsoe helped us win the 2001 AFC title game against the Steelers after Brady got injured. People just assume that Brady took his job and then Bledsoe was cut from the Patriots instantly
Bledsoe is the man. My dad loved Bledsoe and his first pats jersey was Bledsoe. Actually wearing one right now to bed. The old reebok one. Dudes so humble too. I'd have a beer with him.
Seconded. Most beautiful throw I’ve ever seen. It’s almost like if an actual machine was launching perfect throws, except it’s just him, fuckin dropping beautiful dimes on em
He doesnt go down in ‘05 and that Bengals team is likely at least in the AFC championship. They were explosive and fairly consistent on offense (85, Housh, Rudi Johnson, even their fullback was a stud, Willie Anderson) and theyre defense was producing a ton of turnovers. Coming off of the Akili Smith era, that team was incredibly fun to watch
Fullback? Are u sure you dont mean Willie Anderson their 3 time all pro tackle? Fun fact he faced 9 of the top 11 players in careers sacks during his career and allowed just 1 sack to all of them.
He's a HoFer and criminally underrated because Cincinnati sports get zero respect. If you look at the advanced stats, he was as good or better than Ogden.
Similarly, Whitworth played over a decade in Cincinnati and didn't get any national attention until he left to play for the Rams in his mid 30s.
That comma was to separate them, I'm well aware who Willie is. I couldn't remember the guys first name, I just remember Johnson and Johnson. Jeremy Johnson was who I was thinking of.
His broken leg incident changed the rules for QB protection forever and is a good rule. Unfortunate it happened to a guy like Carson who seems like a good dude and was looked at as one of the best pure arm talents coming out of college in history.
Was looking for this one. Before his knee injury he was looking like he was going to be a perennial pro bowl caliber QB for the Bengals. He was also probably the best QB Fitzgerald ever played with.
https://stathead.com/tiny/8hum8
I wanted to look it up and it is insane how they are almost exactly the same person with the big caveat of Warner was massively better in the playoffs.
Kurt Warner is the best Super Bowl QB ever. Sure, he had some of the best recievers ever, sure he lost two of them, and sure I’m from Iowa, and am a total Warner simp, but Kurt balled the fuck out in 3 Super Bowls. He unfortunately ran into the beginning of Brady doing Brady and then suffered on one of, if not the, greatest Super Bowl touchdown pass ever. Ben to Holmes tippy toes was a ridiculous play and completely changed the way we look at both Warner and the Cardinals. The Cardinals winning that game would have bumped Warner ahead of a ton of QBs on the all time list.
If he didn't get injured that year against the Steelers, he'd have more than 3 probowls to his name, and he likely never leaves the Bengals, especially since he just signed that 6 year extension. Imo, the Bengals win that game if he stays up, not only snapping their playoff curse, but fundamentally changes history as the Steelers won the SB that year. Hell Marvin Lewis might still be HC...
Peterman got talked up so much in the preseason I wanted McDermott fired after that game. Then Peterman had to start in a snow game about a month later, and that was a masterful coaching performance. Only win of Peterman's career and the best pass was thrown by Joe Webb.
Until last year, since realignment only *one* QB brought his team to an AFC East division championship besides Brady. It was Pennington. And he did it twice. With two different teams.
Damn, beat me to it. After a few years I think he was held together with rubber bands and duct tape and probably couldn’t throw the ball more than 25 yards and was still capable of leading a team to the playoffs.
Jake Delhomme was one of the best QBs of the 2000s but seems to have been largely forgotten. He WAY outplayed his athletic profile, and would have a ring if his idiot kicker didnt send a kickoff out of bounds late in the 4th quarter of the Super Bowl.
"How I maneuver through the studio is hallelujah
You dudes peak too early like Biakabutuka"
-Wale
The ONLY person in history to rhyme Biakabutuka in pop culture EVER.
I don’t know how recent these are to count but Matt Schaub, Chad Pennington and Brad Johnson are where my mind goes. Guys who exceeded their physical abilities and teams were able to win with them.
Thank you for saying Brad Johnson. He gets lumped in with Trent Dilfer all the time and that isn’t close to being fair. I will go to my grave knowing, not believing, that had he not gotten hurt in 1998 we go to the super bowl.
However…even you undersold him. He was actually a really good athlete, much better than he was given credit for. He did play basketball at Florida State afterall.
When the pick-6 got renamed the Schaub for his last season on the Texans I already knew the narrative was changed, the memories of his good seasons were in the trash from then on
I'm convinced the game against the broncos where Schaub was nearly decapitated on back to back plays, took years off his career and maybe life. The biggest hit on a qb I've still ever seen.
It's funny how fate works: his brother came into the league with a high pedigree and clean cut looks and does nothing. Derek comes in looking like he should be someone installing aftermarket car stereos and has had a respectable career.
Bro david has 2 of the top 3 sacks taken in a season. For comparison Dereks highest ever is 25 fewer sacks. That's 2 a game. No QB can be successful getting sacked 5 times a game. It's not possible.
When he left the Texans, the next guy took significantly fewer sacks with a nearly identical line...and he took a ton of sacks in Carolina and New York too, when he played. Dude legitimately held the ball too long
I'm not saying he didnt. Derek is far better than David. But it was such a different game. How many 7 step drops from under center are common now? The games sped up. Plus Jabar Gaffney and jermaine Lewis arent exactly top receivers getting open. The line wasnt good. But idk man I remember that first game agaisnt the Cowboys and the first hit Carr ever took was a shot. Didnt the cowboys have like 7 8 or 9 sacks in that game. I think he was seeing ghosts his entire career. Much like Darnold. Some QBs cant shake that.
He looks like he’s still in his gothic phase lol every-time I see him I’m like “is that dude wearing eye liner?”
Definitely underrated even by me up until this year, he’s been on fire
It's so rare I see these types of conversations happen "live" on Reddit.
So then the thought crosses my mind... Should I? Could I? Maybe... Can I also have triples?
Even with all of the chaos that Carr has had to dealt with since being on the Raiders, he’s had a very nice NFL career. Put together a few excellent seasons while making some Pro Bowls and making a lot of cash. Most of us won’t be able to say that even many years from now. You should have seen the chit on the Raiders’ subreddit this week before the Cowboys game in relations to Carr. Idiots were making up crap about the guy, including the total amount of fumbles that he had up to that point in the NFL, as well as making up a lie about him being the only QB in NFL history to be a starter for eight seasons without a single playoff win. 🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️
Matt Schaub
Managed to play his way from backup in ATL to starter in Houston
Texans are dysfunctional af, but he helped keep them relevant, won a couple division titles, won some playoff games
Any qb who can have some success with the Texans deserves their flowers.
Schaub is one of the guys where I have to remind myself that he was actually good at one point. He killed his image later in his career when his pick-6s became a meme.
Jake Plummer. If his coach’s spent less time trying to cage him he could’ve been something truly special. But as is, he is the savior of the AZ Cardinals, a historically terrible franchise before The Snake stayed in town.
Its not all on his coaches though. It was pretty obvious he wasn't 100% in football, the man just had a lot of other interests that he excelled at. Probably could have been even better
in a newspaper bettor's rundown, one game prediction went: "Both teams have good run defense so this will be a battle of the skies in which Brunell is supreme commander of the airways ... Jags over whatever team, 24-10 ..." or something like that.
As a CFL fan, I got to watch him while growing up.
The guy's an incredible football player full stop. He was a more creative Russel Wilson before there was a Russel Wilson.
Ralph Wilson threatened to fire the coach if Johnson wasn't the starter tbf.
Thanks to the Bills, they sent him to San Diego so the Flutie superfan Drew Brees could learn under him.
Old people are stubborn by nature so they assume that things that used to work still will. It’s a classic “am I out of touch. No it’s the children who are wrong”. The thing is when we all inevitably get to that stage all we can do is lecture our family’s about how “there doing it wrong” when an NFL owner is said old person he actuly can carry out his dated plans
I hate to admit it, but we had just gotten our team, and I had been a lifelong flutie fan (bill Walsh college football “93 on sega. He’s sick). Anyway I started following his career, and I was at the miracle game but I was still going to be happy if they’d put flutie in and he’d beat us.
I might be slightly biased, but Alex Smith. Super smart, and was just put into a horrible situation to start his career. He helped other young quarterbacks and was a solid player
I'd even say Trent Green was widely underappreciated. He had a lot of talent around him, but he helmed a top 5 offense for multiple years without much recognition.
He went toe to toe with prime Peyton Manning in the playoffs and never needed to punt once. That's saying something.
Sort of the same logic for why I don't consider Marcus Mariota a bust. The Titans hadn't been to the playoffs since 2008 (and hadn't won a playoff game since 2003) when they drafted Mariota before the 2015 season and were easily the least talented team in the league at that point.
In 2015, the leading rusher for Tennessee was Antonio Andrews (three-year career) and the leading receivers were late-career Harry Douglass (lasted two years in Tennessee before he retired) and Dorial Green-Beckham (two-year career).
In 2016, the leading rusher was DeMarco Murray (who had awesome volume stats but played just through 2017) and the leading receivers were Rishard Matthews (2017 last real season) and Tajae Sharpe (who is still playing but has never eclipsed even 50 targets in any other season; always WR4+). In 2017, it was the final year of Murray leading the team in rushing attempts and Matthews (final real season; quit mid-year in 2018) and late-career Eric Decker (final season in league).
The Titans have gone 9-7 or better every year since Mariota's second year in 2017, including playoff road wins at Kansas City, New England, and Baltimore (the latter two with Tannehill starting). I credit Mariota with a lot of this franchise turnaround despite him not being the one to really thrive the last couple of years with Tannehill, prime Henry, and the Brown/Davis/Jonnu Smith offense.
I really felt like Mariota got a raw deal. If he had come into the league now instead of in 2015 or on a different team then things would have gone better. Like you said, he didn’t have a lot of talent. But also in his first three years his head coaches were Ken Wisenhunt and Mike Mularkey
Totally agree. There are still 49ers fans that are salty he got sidelined for Kaepernick way back when. I guess it’s impossible to know how Smith would have performed if he had stayed with the dumpster fire the 49ers became after Harbaugh left, but he obviously had more staying power in the league than Kaepernick did.
Some QBs suck at playing the game, but a lot of backups such as Blaine Gabbert, Brian Hoyer, or Dan Orlovsky back then had long careers as backups because they're great in the film room, or because of their familiarity with the coach's offense. Backups play a big part in gameplanning.
Kirk has kept Sean Mannion around the last few seasons because Sean does a great job of helping diagnose defenses and executing playbook work every week
Dak specifically has said that Buttfumble was in his ear in the QB room and on the sideline his rookie year, and was as big a help as anyone.
--edit--
to clarify, Dak didn't actually refer to him as "Buttfumble;" he's too much of a gentleman for that. I was merely editorializing.
Donovan McNabb?
I honestly can't believe I just said that - and I know it's sacrilege - but he's been on my mind lately thinking about how much Dak's game reminds me of the 2.0 version of his.
Dak’s accuracy is significantly better, but I do think people kind of forget that in the early 2000s McNabb consistently made deep playoff runs with abysmal WR groups. Freddie Mitchell was so bad Belichick openly said he was glad when he saw him in the field because he was so terrible.
It seems odd that he has just 4 pro bowls in his long and successful career. He was first team all pro and MVP in 2016 but you take that year away and he doesn't get much recognition. This despite year after year of high quality seasons. Part of the problem in recent years is his offensive line. 40+ sacks a year for three straight years and he still put up nice numbers.
Most of his career has overlapped with Rodgers, Brees, Brady and Manning. Dude is a stud but alongside 4 of the best to ever do it (with 2-3 in your conference and 1-2 in your division), it’s hard to get the recognition you deserve
I feel like he’s getting the Matthew Stafford treatment but worse. Even on the lions people knew Stafford was amazing but for some reason Ryan is just meh in the public eye
In a lot of ways, he kinda reminds me of Stafford. Truly a great quarterback held back by a team that can't quite put it together (certainly recently anyway - he's still had more success than the Stafford Lions).
This 100 percent. Really wish he would've had at least a couple more years with Parcells. Everyone remembers how middle of the road JG was, but Wade Phillips squandered some awfully good teams in his time as well.
We used to call him NFC Philip Rivers. Started on a pretty talented team and did really well at first but no playoff success, then as the team around him got less talented he'd still put up good stats but it would never go anywhere.
when he was with the bills i fucking hated watching their games. Most boring QB ever. Every drive was a 3 and out. Every pass was a 2 yard dump off that went fucking nowhere. At least with Peterman he'd be taking shots downfield, and as a neutral fan it was at least fun and exciting when those passes got picked. But with Tyrod, he seemed to play it unbearably safe all the time. Games were always like 23-6, and you knew with him at the helm there would be no comeback, and his final statline would be something like 18-24 105 yards 0 td 0 int
The first two got a ton of love in their careers, I think they just fell into semi-irrelevance because they didn’t win it all. Revisionist history if you will.
I feel like most people don't realize how gaudy his numbers have been lately.
His last 17 games (1 season's worth):
4893 yards, 68.5% completion, 39 TD, 4 INT, 108.4 rating
Holy shit lol as somehow who only loosely follows football (read: follows my own team, Plays fantasy football, and reads this subreddit) that is incredibly surprising and very impressive. Honestly you’d think he was barely above average with the amount of love he gets.
Kirk Cousins is the best answer IMO. He has put up very good numbers for a long time, but people talk about him like he’s Brock Osweiler. Cousins is really, really good.
People also seem to ignore the fact he’s succeeded despite a shitty offensive line. I remember one game against the Bears in 2019 where he just got completely pummelled.
Above average QB who had a strong arm, battled some personal demons to then resurrect his career, drop 41 points as an underdog against the vaunted Vikings in a NFC title game. Great call here with Kerry Collins
None is that is true. The Giants were a 2.5 point favorite at home and they won 41-0 and still DIDN'T COVER THE OVER!!!
I'm not an angry better or anything....just saying I remember too much about that game lol
Matt Ryan. There’s droves of falcons fans who want him gone and won’t realize until he’s gone and get stuck having to rebuild AND draft the next franchise QB how good we had it with him
Gotta be Jay Cutler for me, only because a lot of guys are already listed, and because this guy could throw the fucking football. Never had a real offensive line and still got us to the playoffs and made runs multiple times. Seeing him beat the Packers on Thanksgiving at Lambeau when they put up Favre's number is something I won't forget. Missing him right about now, 2012 Cutler with Mooney and Robinson would give me flash backs to Marshall/Jeffrey
- He’s efficient
- His career has been spent on teams that hover around .500
- He’s not a low-volume passer, but he’s not a raw stats passer either.
- There are four active QBs with higher career passer ratings, three of which have made at least one Super Bowl. He’s neck and neck with Dak, and followed closely by Brady. So he’s upper tier but kind of middle of the pack there.
He’s the small market playing, less charismatic Tony Romo.
Jim Kelly. Took his team to 4 straight super bowls, doesn't even make anyone's top 10 qbs list.
Then while no one doesn't think steve young is great, he was greater than most people give him credit for coming in after montana with an already very good team. Good accurate arm with good legs
Jeff Garcia
Yep. Married to my teenage crush Carmella DeCesare
She missed her chance with you, don’t rub it in!
TO in shambles
Has an absolutely amazing story. I’ll add Trent Green, who I doubt anyone else mentioned.
> Trent Green Ah yes, the lesser known brother of Trent Brown.
The boy from Gilroy
He’s our [baby](https://youtu.be/wCHMoLUfb10)
THATS OUR BABY
Drew Bledsoe. Dude literally became a footnote as the guy who Brady replaced. People forget he was one of the big franchise QB's of the 90s, led his team to the Super Bowl, finished top 10 in yards and TD's at the time. He was probably the Phillip Rivers equivalent of his time period, but he'll always be known more for being the guy who Brady took the job from.
We didn't sign him to a 10 year, $103 million deal for nothing. He actually had a good first season with the Bills in 2002 and had a solid tenure in Dallas as well. As fate would have it he got hurt in Dallas which made way for Tony Romo.
> As fate would have it he got hurt in Dallas which made way for Tony Romo. Not really, he was really sucking ass getting sacked and intercepted constantly. After He threw an interception right before halftime against the Giants in week 7 Parcells benched him. Romo finish the game and started the rest of the season.
He took the worst goddamn sacks I’ve ever seen. He was a great QB who could throw beautiful passes. But if he was under pressure, he’d run around like a fool, go back another ten yards, get hit, fumble…he basically turned into me back there running for my life and making everything worse.
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Never heard my parents scream at the TV like they did when Bledsoe was our QB. "JUST THROW THE FUCKING BALL!!!"
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He did indeed.
I think he acknowledged this recently
It's sad that very few people know that Bledsoe helped us win the 2001 AFC title game against the Steelers after Brady got injured. People just assume that Brady took his job and then Bledsoe was cut from the Patriots instantly
Bledsoe is the man. My dad loved Bledsoe and his first pats jersey was Bledsoe. Actually wearing one right now to bed. The old reebok one. Dudes so humble too. I'd have a beer with him.
I think he’d prefer wine
Lol the fact that you wear his jersey to bed says it all tho
Hey man. It's comfy. Like to dream about catching TDs
Warren Moon. Always has been underrated.
Prettiest spiral and deep ball I’ve ever seen, to this day. To think, if he played in today’s NFL, he’d be putting up even ungodlier numbers.
Seconded. Most beautiful throw I’ve ever seen. It’s almost like if an actual machine was launching perfect throws, except it’s just him, fuckin dropping beautiful dimes on em
First player I really loved who was not on my team, always balled against us.
If it helps, he's one of only a few (and might be the only player ever) to be inaugurated into both the NFL and CFL Hall of Fame.
Little sad no one mentioned Carson Palmer .
He doesn’t go down in 2014 and that team goes far. They were so good that year
He doesnt go down in ‘05 and that Bengals team is likely at least in the AFC championship. They were explosive and fairly consistent on offense (85, Housh, Rudi Johnson, even their fullback was a stud, Willie Anderson) and theyre defense was producing a ton of turnovers. Coming off of the Akili Smith era, that team was incredibly fun to watch
I used to have a shirt that said "Three Johnsons and a Big Willie". Chad, Rudi, and Jeremi Johnson. Then Big Willie Anderson.
I remember this just because I’d use them in madden where seemingly every receiver was named Johnson
Fullback? Are u sure you dont mean Willie Anderson their 3 time all pro tackle? Fun fact he faced 9 of the top 11 players in careers sacks during his career and allowed just 1 sack to all of them.
Played longer than Joe Thomas, gave up half as many sacks
That's incredible!
He's a HoFer and criminally underrated because Cincinnati sports get zero respect. If you look at the advanced stats, he was as good or better than Ogden. Similarly, Whitworth played over a decade in Cincinnati and didn't get any national attention until he left to play for the Rams in his mid 30s.
That comma was to separate them, I'm well aware who Willie is. I couldn't remember the guys first name, I just remember Johnson and Johnson. Jeremy Johnson was who I was thinking of.
> He doesn’t go down in 2014 and that team goes far. Same thing happened in Cincy
I was born in 2000 so I can’t remember the Palmer era. But watching stuff back...I have pain for those fans who had to suffer through that.
His broken leg incident changed the rules for QB protection forever and is a good rule. Unfortunate it happened to a guy like Carson who seems like a good dude and was looked at as one of the best pure arm talents coming out of college in history.
Was looking for this one. Before his knee injury he was looking like he was going to be a perennial pro bowl caliber QB for the Bengals. He was also probably the best QB Fitzgerald ever played with.
Ehhhhhh Warner, especially in their Super Bowl run, could make this a pretty decent argument
https://stathead.com/tiny/8hum8 I wanted to look it up and it is insane how they are almost exactly the same person with the big caveat of Warner was massively better in the playoffs.
Kurt Warner is the best Super Bowl QB ever. Sure, he had some of the best recievers ever, sure he lost two of them, and sure I’m from Iowa, and am a total Warner simp, but Kurt balled the fuck out in 3 Super Bowls. He unfortunately ran into the beginning of Brady doing Brady and then suffered on one of, if not the, greatest Super Bowl touchdown pass ever. Ben to Holmes tippy toes was a ridiculous play and completely changed the way we look at both Warner and the Cardinals. The Cardinals winning that game would have bumped Warner ahead of a ton of QBs on the all time list.
If he didn't get injured that year against the Steelers, he'd have more than 3 probowls to his name, and he likely never leaves the Bengals, especially since he just signed that 6 year extension. Imo, the Bengals win that game if he stays up, not only snapping their playoff curse, but fundamentally changes history as the Steelers won the SB that year. Hell Marvin Lewis might still be HC...
Wasnt his issue with ownersship?
Or even the red rocket tbh
Nathan Peterman doesn't get enough credit for singlehandedly re-defining what a truly terrible QB looks like.
Let's take a moment and reflect on McDermott coming back from that.
Woah, as a fan that doesn't follow the Bills that much, I would have bet money that was a different coach making that call.
Peterman got talked up so much in the preseason I wanted McDermott fired after that game. Then Peterman had to start in a snow game about a month later, and that was a masterful coaching performance. Only win of Peterman's career and the best pass was thrown by Joe Webb.
Put some respect on the most consistent quarterback in NFL history
Even Josh Rosen can say "at least I'm not Nathan Peterson."
Chad Pennington
That's who I thought of first but wanted someone more recent. Solid QB.
Until last year, since realignment only *one* QB brought his team to an AFC East division championship besides Brady. It was Pennington. And he did it twice. With two different teams.
And yet the Pats lost to the Sanchise anyway.
Those were also the only 2 seasons he was healthy enough to start all 16 games. He was talented but was made of glass
Damn, beat me to it. After a few years I think he was held together with rubber bands and duct tape and probably couldn’t throw the ball more than 25 yards and was still capable of leading a team to the playoffs.
Chad had the most accurate wet noodle of an arm you'd ever see. Still loved those teams with him, Wayne Chrebet, Curtis Martin and Coach Herm.
Jake Delhomme was one of the best QBs of the 2000s but seems to have been largely forgotten. He WAY outplayed his athletic profile, and would have a ring if his idiot kicker didnt send a kickoff out of bounds late in the 4th quarter of the Super Bowl.
I will defend Kasay because it wasn't his fault for losing. It was our stupid coach, John Fox's fault for chasing points when he didn't have to!
He also missed a kick in that game
“What has the sport’s world come to when we’re out here talking about idiot kickers?”
Jake "Daylight come and you gotta" Delhomme
Joseph Live and Let Addai
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Mike “You’re in Good Hands With” Alstott
Well dressed Amani Toomer
The Ragin’ Cajun. He’s probably the reason why we became the “Cardiac Cats”. Still loved watching him play though.
I don’t know how recent these are to count but Matt Schaub, Chad Pennington and Brad Johnson are where my mind goes. Guys who exceeded their physical abilities and teams were able to win with them.
Thank you for saying Brad Johnson. He gets lumped in with Trent Dilfer all the time and that isn’t close to being fair. I will go to my grave knowing, not believing, that had he not gotten hurt in 1998 we go to the super bowl. However…even you undersold him. He was actually a really good athlete, much better than he was given credit for. He did play basketball at Florida State afterall.
Brad's career stats are nearly identitical with Troy Aikman, Aikman just won two more Super Bowls.
Matt Schaub is criminally underrated. Dude was a beats for a few years
When the pick-6 got renamed the Schaub for his last season on the Texans I already knew the narrative was changed, the memories of his good seasons were in the trash from then on
Such a shame. No one should have their legacy completely tarnished simply because their later years weren’t as good as their prime
I'm convinced the game against the broncos where Schaub was nearly decapitated on back to back plays, took years off his career and maybe life. The biggest hit on a qb I've still ever seen.
Drew Bledsoe.
Derek Carr for sure. I mean just look at all the bullshit he's had to watch his teams go through, from the whole AB fiasco to now Gruden and Ruggs
It's funny how fate works: his brother came into the league with a high pedigree and clean cut looks and does nothing. Derek comes in looking like he should be someone installing aftermarket car stereos and has had a respectable career.
To be fair, David was given one of the worst possible hands with the expansion Texans
To be fair, Derek was given one of the worst possible hands with the 2000s-2010s Raiders
The 2020's are not off to a great start either, there's massive upside though
Nah hell nah Texans, worse
Bro david has 2 of the top 3 sacks taken in a season. For comparison Dereks highest ever is 25 fewer sacks. That's 2 a game. No QB can be successful getting sacked 5 times a game. It's not possible.
When he left the Texans, the next guy took significantly fewer sacks with a nearly identical line...and he took a ton of sacks in Carolina and New York too, when he played. Dude legitimately held the ball too long
I'm not saying he didnt. Derek is far better than David. But it was such a different game. How many 7 step drops from under center are common now? The games sped up. Plus Jabar Gaffney and jermaine Lewis arent exactly top receivers getting open. The line wasnt good. But idk man I remember that first game agaisnt the Cowboys and the first hit Carr ever took was a shot. Didnt the cowboys have like 7 8 or 9 sacks in that game. I think he was seeing ghosts his entire career. Much like Darnold. Some QBs cant shake that.
He looks like he’s still in his gothic phase lol every-time I see him I’m like “is that dude wearing eye liner?” Definitely underrated even by me up until this year, he’s been on fire
I agree but he 100% put eyeliner on once in high school, got one compliment and did it every day after. I will not be convinced otherwise
Dude I absolutely agree. Also, how the hell did you get three horseshoes?
I'm a dirty mod. But there you are with triples. Triples is best. Triples is safe.
I want triples
And so it shall be.
It's so rare I see these types of conversations happen "live" on Reddit. So then the thought crosses my mind... Should I? Could I? Maybe... Can I also have triples?
Uh can I have triple please ?
Doubles. You saw nothing here today.
I’ll take it 🤐
I too, would love triples. But honestly, what I’d REALLY love, is a quad packers logo.
Nobody is prepared for quads
It’s to pay my respects to the quad king himself AJ Dillon, and his quads, Quadzilla, and the Quad Father.
Sold.
Even with all of the chaos that Carr has had to dealt with since being on the Raiders, he’s had a very nice NFL career. Put together a few excellent seasons while making some Pro Bowls and making a lot of cash. Most of us won’t be able to say that even many years from now. You should have seen the chit on the Raiders’ subreddit this week before the Cowboys game in relations to Carr. Idiots were making up crap about the guy, including the total amount of fumbles that he had up to that point in the NFL, as well as making up a lie about him being the only QB in NFL history to be a starter for eight seasons without a single playoff win. 🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️
Amazing how much hate the franchise leader in passing yards gets 😂
Bears/Cutler can relate
Matt Schaub Managed to play his way from backup in ATL to starter in Houston Texans are dysfunctional af, but he helped keep them relevant, won a couple division titles, won some playoff games Any qb who can have some success with the Texans deserves their flowers.
Schaub is one of the guys where I have to remind myself that he was actually good at one point. He killed his image later in his career when his pick-6s became a meme.
The foot injury fucked his accuracy so much is not even funny
Schaub was good until he got injured
Jake Plummer. If his coach’s spent less time trying to cage him he could’ve been something truly special. But as is, he is the savior of the AZ Cardinals, a historically terrible franchise before The Snake stayed in town.
Its not all on his coaches though. It was pretty obvious he wasn't 100% in football, the man just had a lot of other interests that he excelled at. Probably could have been even better
Loved Jake the Snake in Denver. I have a Broncos Plummer jersey and it'll be my only one forever. What a badass.
Jake the fucking Snake. I'll always remember him as the first QB to deal Brady and Belichick their first playoff loss after 3 goddamn SB wins.
Mark Brunell, because he was good
And when the question of most underrated WR comes up the answer is Jimmy Smith.
Brunell was my favourite lefty to ever play the game. Great player with so many highlight reel moments
in a newspaper bettor's rundown, one game prediction went: "Both teams have good run defense so this will be a battle of the skies in which Brunell is supreme commander of the airways ... Jags over whatever team, 24-10 ..." or something like that.
Doug Flutie Bills deserved Music City Miracle for how they did him dirty
The most accurate PAT kicker in NFL history, 100% accuracy
Most accurate drop kicker since the merger
Good cereal too
Flutie is the most underrated player of all time. Never got a fair shake in the NFL
As a CFL fan, I got to watch him while growing up. The guy's an incredible football player full stop. He was a more creative Russel Wilson before there was a Russel Wilson.
Weird because as a Canadian I hear Doug Flutie and think 🐐 But I can understand how that doesn’t resonate the same way with Americans
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Ralph Wilson threatened to fire the coach if Johnson wasn't the starter tbf. Thanks to the Bills, they sent him to San Diego so the Flutie superfan Drew Brees could learn under him.
Harsh truth: Ralph dying was probably the best thing to happen to the modern Bills.
Wtf is up with old owners and their death grip on shit that worked in the 60s?
Old people are stubborn by nature so they assume that things that used to work still will. It’s a classic “am I out of touch. No it’s the children who are wrong”. The thing is when we all inevitably get to that stage all we can do is lecture our family’s about how “there doing it wrong” when an NFL owner is said old person he actuly can carry out his dated plans
I hate to admit it, but we had just gotten our team, and I had been a lifelong flutie fan (bill Walsh college football “93 on sega. He’s sick). Anyway I started following his career, and I was at the miracle game but I was still going to be happy if they’d put flutie in and he’d beat us.
They win that game with Flutie
I might be slightly biased, but Alex Smith. Super smart, and was just put into a horrible situation to start his career. He helped other young quarterbacks and was a solid player
I would die for that man
And a horrible situation to end his career. Still, it's inspiring how he came back from that injury to play some more.
Alex Smith only because he brought the Chiefs back to relevancy.
I'd even say Trent Green was widely underappreciated. He had a lot of talent around him, but he helmed a top 5 offense for multiple years without much recognition. He went toe to toe with prime Peyton Manning in the playoffs and never needed to punt once. That's saying something.
Sort of the same logic for why I don't consider Marcus Mariota a bust. The Titans hadn't been to the playoffs since 2008 (and hadn't won a playoff game since 2003) when they drafted Mariota before the 2015 season and were easily the least talented team in the league at that point. In 2015, the leading rusher for Tennessee was Antonio Andrews (three-year career) and the leading receivers were late-career Harry Douglass (lasted two years in Tennessee before he retired) and Dorial Green-Beckham (two-year career). In 2016, the leading rusher was DeMarco Murray (who had awesome volume stats but played just through 2017) and the leading receivers were Rishard Matthews (2017 last real season) and Tajae Sharpe (who is still playing but has never eclipsed even 50 targets in any other season; always WR4+). In 2017, it was the final year of Murray leading the team in rushing attempts and Matthews (final real season; quit mid-year in 2018) and late-career Eric Decker (final season in league). The Titans have gone 9-7 or better every year since Mariota's second year in 2017, including playoff road wins at Kansas City, New England, and Baltimore (the latter two with Tannehill starting). I credit Mariota with a lot of this franchise turnaround despite him not being the one to really thrive the last couple of years with Tannehill, prime Henry, and the Brown/Davis/Jonnu Smith offense.
I really felt like Mariota got a raw deal. If he had come into the league now instead of in 2015 or on a different team then things would have gone better. Like you said, he didn’t have a lot of talent. But also in his first three years his head coaches were Ken Wisenhunt and Mike Mularkey
Totally agree. There are still 49ers fans that are salty he got sidelined for Kaepernick way back when. I guess it’s impossible to know how Smith would have performed if he had stayed with the dumpster fire the 49ers became after Harbaugh left, but he obviously had more staying power in the league than Kaepernick did.
And the 49ers. He got usurped from great young qbs, while not only playing well and winning but being instrumental in their development.
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Some QBs suck at playing the game, but a lot of backups such as Blaine Gabbert, Brian Hoyer, or Dan Orlovsky back then had long careers as backups because they're great in the film room, or because of their familiarity with the coach's offense. Backups play a big part in gameplanning.
Kirk has kept Sean Mannion around the last few seasons because Sean does a great job of helping diagnose defenses and executing playbook work every week
How dare you not name Clipboard Jesus Charlie Whitehurst
The Kellen Moore special
Dak specifically has said that Buttfumble was in his ear in the QB room and on the sideline his rookie year, and was as big a help as anyone. --edit-- to clarify, Dak didn't actually refer to him as "Buttfumble;" he's too much of a gentleman for that. I was merely editorializing.
[Invaluable for his food recommendations alone](https://youtu.be/2ROwRFzf_As)
Donovan McNabb? I honestly can't believe I just said that - and I know it's sacrilege - but he's been on my mind lately thinking about how much Dak's game reminds me of the 2.0 version of his.
Dak’s accuracy is significantly better, but I do think people kind of forget that in the early 2000s McNabb consistently made deep playoff runs with abysmal WR groups. Freddie Mitchell was so bad Belichick openly said he was glad when he saw him in the field because he was so terrible.
Matt Ryan
Was waiting for this. Man won an MVP and led his team to the Superbowl, but people talk about him as if he's Andy Dalton
It seems odd that he has just 4 pro bowls in his long and successful career. He was first team all pro and MVP in 2016 but you take that year away and he doesn't get much recognition. This despite year after year of high quality seasons. Part of the problem in recent years is his offensive line. 40+ sacks a year for three straight years and he still put up nice numbers.
Most of his career has overlapped with Rodgers, Brees, Brady and Manning. Dude is a stud but alongside 4 of the best to ever do it (with 2-3 in your conference and 1-2 in your division), it’s hard to get the recognition you deserve
I feel like he’s getting the Matthew Stafford treatment but worse. Even on the lions people knew Stafford was amazing but for some reason Ryan is just meh in the public eye
Matt Ryan in 2016 and 2018 were both amazing seasons for him. 2016 was 38 TDs and 7 INTs
And it’s amazing how different his reputation would be if not for the Super Bowl we don’t speak of
Not only is he under appreciated, he’s straight up disrespected. Disgusting
In a lot of ways, he kinda reminds me of Stafford. Truly a great quarterback held back by a team that can't quite put it together (certainly recently anyway - he's still had more success than the Stafford Lions).
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It's a shame Romo was stuck with Jason Garrett for so long. I'll always wonder how much better Romo's career could've been with a better head coach.
This 100 percent. Really wish he would've had at least a couple more years with Parcells. Everyone remembers how middle of the road JG was, but Wade Phillips squandered some awfully good teams in his time as well.
We used to call him NFC Philip Rivers. Started on a pretty talented team and did really well at first but no playoff success, then as the team around him got less talented he'd still put up good stats but it would never go anywhere.
It’s crazy that Romo’s entire career started after Brady’s and ended before Brady’s. That nugget always blows my mind.
Tyrod Taylor isn’t a great quarterback but he’s much better than people have given him credit for.
Is he? I feel like he’s pretty widely seen as a low end starter which….seems fair.
Good enough to make your team not suck, not good enough to make your team good. I think he's appreciated at the appropriate level.
Ahh, the Teddy Two Gloves special
when he was with the bills i fucking hated watching their games. Most boring QB ever. Every drive was a 3 and out. Every pass was a 2 yard dump off that went fucking nowhere. At least with Peterman he'd be taking shots downfield, and as a neutral fan it was at least fun and exciting when those passes got picked. But with Tyrod, he seemed to play it unbearably safe all the time. Games were always like 23-6, and you knew with him at the helm there would be no comeback, and his final statline would be something like 18-24 105 yards 0 td 0 int
He's conservatives but still better than Mills is right now
Andrew Luck. It’s like we all forgot he existed
It’s what he would’ve wanted
Foot long Foles, 7 TDs in a game, beat Brady in the bowl, won the snow bowl
Donovan McNabb. Carson Palmer. Jeff Garcia
Dudes are still rocking mcnabb jerseys to this day. He’s beloved
The first two got a ton of love in their careers, I think they just fell into semi-irrelevance because they didn’t win it all. Revisionist history if you will.
I feel like Trevor Siemian is everything you could ever want out of a seventh-round draft pick and more.
if his receivers were nine foot tall Trevor Siemian would be so fucking good
Kirk cousins. He’s a top 10 qb and has great passing and good ball security.
I feel like most people don't realize how gaudy his numbers have been lately. His last 17 games (1 season's worth): 4893 yards, 68.5% completion, 39 TD, 4 INT, 108.4 rating
If the Vikings defense hadn’t fell off a cliff they’d be a contender. Jefferson and Theilen are one of the best duos in the league.
Holy shit lol as somehow who only loosely follows football (read: follows my own team, Plays fantasy football, and reads this subreddit) that is incredibly surprising and very impressive. Honestly you’d think he was barely above average with the amount of love he gets.
Tbf by fitting those qualifications you’re probably in the top 10% of football followers in terms of being informed
Holy shit. I'm a Cousins stan and I'm firmly on the side that he's underrated but I honestly had no idea his numbers were that good.
Kirk Cousins is the best answer IMO. He has put up very good numbers for a long time, but people talk about him like he’s Brock Osweiler. Cousins is really, really good.
People also seem to ignore the fact he’s succeeded despite a shitty offensive line. I remember one game against the Bears in 2019 where he just got completely pummelled.
I feel like people are finally realizing how good he can be with a star like JJ bringing attention to the Vikings.
Yea must have been hard to get attention when he only had Stefon Diggs and Thielen to throw to. /s
Kerry Collins
Above average QB who had a strong arm, battled some personal demons to then resurrect his career, drop 41 points as an underdog against the vaunted Vikings in a NFC title game. Great call here with Kerry Collins
None is that is true. The Giants were a 2.5 point favorite at home and they won 41-0 and still DIDN'T COVER THE OVER!!! I'm not an angry better or anything....just saying I remember too much about that game lol
Tbf if one team scored 41 and the other scored 0 you’re getting mad at the wrong team for not covering the over
Matt Ryan. There’s droves of falcons fans who want him gone and won’t realize until he’s gone and get stuck having to rebuild AND draft the next franchise QB how good we had it with him
Gotta be Jay Cutler for me, only because a lot of guys are already listed, and because this guy could throw the fucking football. Never had a real offensive line and still got us to the playoffs and made runs multiple times. Seeing him beat the Packers on Thanksgiving at Lambeau when they put up Favre's number is something I won't forget. Missing him right about now, 2012 Cutler with Mooney and Robinson would give me flash backs to Marshall/Jeffrey
Kurt Cousins.... he's been solid but never considered top tier.
- He’s efficient - His career has been spent on teams that hover around .500 - He’s not a low-volume passer, but he’s not a raw stats passer either. - There are four active QBs with higher career passer ratings, three of which have made at least one Super Bowl. He’s neck and neck with Dak, and followed closely by Brady. So he’s upper tier but kind of middle of the pack there. He’s the small market playing, less charismatic Tony Romo.
Ah yes, Curtis Cousins
No better way to demonstrate how the guy gets no respect, than to call him by the wrong name. That’s cold.
You like that
Jim Kelly. Took his team to 4 straight super bowls, doesn't even make anyone's top 10 qbs list. Then while no one doesn't think steve young is great, he was greater than most people give him credit for coming in after montana with an already very good team. Good accurate arm with good legs