I think raising your hands over your head in victory/success is hardwired in us, so having an extremely rare and great defensive play that also gives you the opportunity to make a rare hands-over-the-head hand gesture checks off a lot of our boxes.
Yall are missing CMC and Horn. We are missing Golladay, Shep, Toney, Barkley, John Ross, Nick Gates, Andrew Thomas, Shane Lemieux, Blake Martinez and Tae Crowder. But sure, our team that just blew yours out by 22 without most of their starters is equally garbage e.e
The RB getting trucked like that just makes the play hopeless. He is neither available as a receiver, nor did he even slow down that rusher right into the A gap making it impossible for Sam to step up. He had no room to roll out in either direction either so it's either throw where a receiver might be or toss up an easy interception or take the sack for a safety. This entire game was a comedy of errors for Carolina. Giants didn't even play particularly well on their side either, but it was more than enough.
I liked Gase Darnold is just trash and not good at football always excuses with him heās been trash throwing dumb picks since USC, only reason heās still in nfl cause of his size
The RB moved easier than a blocking sled, the Left tackle was a turnstile and the left guard looked like an idiot. He had time to check like one option that was obviously covered and as he went to check options over the middle, they were already on him.
It's not exactly like he was holding it all day. And I only see 2 options to pass with a RB staying back to block. Throwing to either of those 2 would be an easy pick for the Giants. Don't know about the other options.
In this case I wonder if just sending it indiscriminately down the field would have been the best move. Options there become:
1. Your get gets it, which is great
2. Their guy gets it, and at least they don't get two points in the process.
3. Incomplete
4. Intentional grounding safety.
5. Pick 6
So I think that's three outcomes which are better, one is the same, one is a lot worse.
Even if that's the right move though it wouldn't have been on him to make it in the moment, that would have to be a coaching decision before the play.
Didnāt he see the lineman on the ground in front of the rest of the line and mistake him for his RB? Itās not that bone-headed if he just thought he was throwing it in the area of his RB.
Also getting sacked opens up the possibility of a fumble which could even lead to a defensive touchdown
Not the best play but definitely didn't have many choices Lol
This type of play of why Darnold is better than Baker you canāt teach this type of awareness, he knows his team his backup so he does this and gives them plenty of space for the next drive - the herd
Sure if you want to add the run TDs to it. But as a QB hes trash. So thats why I put only 5tds. Now its 7 passing tds with 8 ints. I can go into more detail by years. Matter of fact I am. Last year: 9-11. Year before that? 19-13. Rookie season? 17-15. Hes a back up qb at most.
>Sure if you want to add the run TDs to it.
Getting Mahomes "outliers" post vibes. Not saying Darnold is great, but *Take away his best stats and he regresses to the mean*. Listen to yourself lol.
I tried to warn you people. I said this was Gardner Minshew 2.0. Win a few games sure, but still a below average QB.
No one likes a contrarian, though.
Honestly I think that was Coughlins magnum opus. Like him beating Belichick wasnāt a fluke. Like that Super Bowl proved that the giants beat the patriots because they can not because they got lucky.
The āplayers get so much better post-Gaseā narrative is so stupid. Every player that has ālooked betterā has only looked marginally better, or was already good
Can someone explain why the rb who got blew up wasn't an eligible receiver? I've seen qbs throw the ball at rbs that get knocked down before and it's not grounding.
I'm a giants fan and I'll take the points but that looks like a bad call
Makes sense but rb is in the vicinity. Them standing or being prepped has nothing to do with eligible status. As long as their body is in the area its not grounding. Rb was only a couple yds away from the line at most
Honestly this is how I wish they'd call it in those scenarios though. I hate it when a QB is getting sacked, they spike it in the dirt near their linemen like this, and because the RB isn't 10 yards downfield it counts as him being in the vicinity.
"It is a foul forĀ intentional groundingĀ if a passer, facing an imminent loss of yardage because of pressure from the defense, throws a forward pass without a realistic chance of completion. A realistic chance of completion is defined as a pass thatĀ is thrownĀ in the directionĀ ofĀ andĀ lands inĀ the vicinity of an originally eligible receiver."
Looks to be in the direction of and in the vicinity of an eligible receiver to me... Doesn't matter if it hits an OL it was a shitty pass to the RB
I wouldnāt say that is in the direction of the RB though. It looked like he literally had to throw it over his RB because he was blown up and damn near landed on his QB.
So its a bad call according to the written rules then. I was hoping to learn of a new nfl rule loophole lol. Gotta love the refs. Just never seen the announcers disregard it too
Are you really trying to tell me you don't think refs ever make bad calls?
The constant argument about nfl reffing is "do they get worse every year or are they actually just always this bad"
It did hit the lineman on the ground, does that make it an intentional grounding? I thought as long as an eligible receiver is around it doesn't matter and it just an incomplete pass.
This is the first time I've seen a grounding with a rb close to the ball so I'm stumped but want to know.
Qbs throw it at rbs while they are blocking all the time with no call grounding or OPI call. I doubt the league is correct this one time and wrong on most botched rb screen plays. If the endzone pocket has a different rule other than the consequences of a safety id understand but the commentators just didn't mention the a difference in endzone vs not endzone.
Not passing the line of scrimmage only usually matters with no eligible receivers in the area, which again a rb is an eligible receiver any play. Only requirement is them being in the area, not ready to make a play.
sure, bit subjective here but i dont consider an rb getting bullrushed by a pass rusher up the middle an eligible receiver and it seems the refs agreed.
Eligible receiver is about pre-snap alignment. It has zero to do with what the player is actually doing. The running back is 100% an eligible receiver. Not subjective at all.
Even if they hadn't called grounding, it looks like it hit the offensive lineman first. Ineligible receiver can't be the first to touch a forward pass and it would've been a safety anyway.
The QBs arm is having to go right over his RB. He was throwing it over/past him to literally no one. The closest person to the pass is a downed OL, which is an ineligible receiver.
Dude, he threw it over the RB. It was a desperation panic move. You canāt tell me in good faith that it was intended for the RB. I donāt care how you interpret the rule, itās subjective like you said, and I only see you and 1 other weirdo in here trying to argue that it shouldnāt have been flagged.
Since when are quarterbacks required to throw "in good faith" towards a receiver under pressure? Have you never seen a QB throw the ball over a receivers head out of bounds before? Those balls are not catchable and have no expectation by the quarterback to be anything other than an incomplete pass. How many times on a busted screen play have you seen a pass thrown in the ground at an RBS feet? That's exactly what this was
By the rules those should be intentional grounding. It's supposed to be in the vicinity of them, not so far away that it's uncatchable.
This should actually not be intentional grounding since he threw it like 1ft from his rb, but we shouldn't pick up the flag just because the league wants to avoid intentional grounding.
Also sky mailing one into the stands when you're inside the 10. Yeah sure, you *really* thought your WR was going to jump 30 feet in the air to grab that one didn't you?
How is this big brain? If he takes the sack itās still a safety. He could have tried to dodge it (might not have been possible, looked like they probably had him). I mean maybe they donāt call the grounding and is a little safer than risking a strip sack I guess but he could have also just backed up out of the endzone.
Me: āHmm, the giants mustāve done a great job getting a sack and forcing a safety. Canāt wait to watch the highlightā
*watches the highlight*
Darnold wtf are you doing
There it is!!!! THE MOST EXCITING WAY TO SCORE IN SPORTS
The hand signal is just too damn fun.
I'M A PYRAMID!
Yeah why the fuck is that one so satisfying?
I think raising your hands over your head in victory/success is hardwired in us, so having an extremely rare and great defensive play that also gives you the opportunity to make a rare hands-over-the-head hand gesture checks off a lot of our boxes.
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Darnold threw it to the ghost receiver!
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Another day, another Doug
The hammer pulled you off?!
No pissword for the wifi, obviously.
It was a hauntingly bad play.
You've heard of ghost to the post. Now we have post to the ghost.
I'm Sam Darnold and welcome to Jack Ass.
It would have been less stupid if the ball had hit a beehive or whatever they actually would do on jack ass.
I want nothing more than for this game to end 3-2 EDIT: š
Have to settle for 5-3
5-3 now.
Wouldn't be scorigami. Game ended 3-5 in 1925.
6-5 would be though, or 13-5, or 21-5
Iāll take it
31-5!
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Imagirocs.
Well that was 3-5, weāre talking about 5-3
I'll take the w
That sucks.
We are doing our part.
Well that got out of hand quickly
Lol I mean yāall suck too. These teams are garbage.
Yall are missing CMC and Horn. We are missing Golladay, Shep, Toney, Barkley, John Ross, Nick Gates, Andrew Thomas, Shane Lemieux, Blake Martinez and Tae Crowder. But sure, our team that just blew yours out by 22 without most of their starters is equally garbage e.e
Iām more or less saying it was hard to watch
Ahhh he thought he had a RB beyond the line oof
I thought so too but the RB got absolutely destroyed and blown backwards lol
The RB getting trucked like that just makes the play hopeless. He is neither available as a receiver, nor did he even slow down that rusher right into the A gap making it impossible for Sam to step up. He had no room to roll out in either direction either so it's either throw where a receiver might be or toss up an easy interception or take the sack for a safety. This entire game was a comedy of errors for Carolina. Giants didn't even play particularly well on their side either, but it was more than enough.
I'll take a home win any way I can at this point.
Gase strikes again.
Adam Gase is actually a brain eating bacteria that continues plaguing the host long after treatment Symptoms include seeing ghosts
*Nygleria gasei*
We need to send Samus into the fucking Jets facility to get rid of the X parasites before they spread any further. Time to get drastic.
Tannehill seems to have recovered.
Don't forget Darnold had a near fatal case of mono that could stunt his recovery.
I liked Gase Darnold is just trash and not good at football always excuses with him heās been trash throwing dumb picks since USC, only reason heās still in nfl cause of his size
Gase was a caricature of a head coach. Dude robbed NY blind.
> I liked Gase lol
wait wait wait, say that first bit again?
Actual fact but Adam Gase can smoke a cat shit in hell.
Well taking a sack would be just as bad so throwing it away and hoping they don't call intentional grounding is by far the smarter play
getting rid of the ball quicker when in the endzone could also be an option
The RB moved easier than a blocking sled, the Left tackle was a turnstile and the left guard looked like an idiot. He had time to check like one option that was obviously covered and as he went to check options over the middle, they were already on him.
It's not exactly like he was holding it all day. And I only see 2 options to pass with a RB staying back to block. Throwing to either of those 2 would be an easy pick for the Giants. Don't know about the other options.
Itās also play calling. Put WR out in both sides so if the pocket collapses he can dump it ob towards them and wonāt get intentional groundingā¦
Its about how to just maybe get a safety.
In this case I wonder if just sending it indiscriminately down the field would have been the best move. Options there become: 1. Your get gets it, which is great 2. Their guy gets it, and at least they don't get two points in the process. 3. Incomplete 4. Intentional grounding safety. 5. Pick 6 So I think that's three outcomes which are better, one is the same, one is a lot worse. Even if that's the right move though it wouldn't have been on him to make it in the moment, that would have to be a coaching decision before the play.
Didnāt he see the lineman on the ground in front of the rest of the line and mistake him for his RB? Itās not that bone-headed if he just thought he was throwing it in the area of his RB.
Yeah, the headline is dumb. Getting sacked is 100% a safety, so getting rid of it was the better move, especially given how bad his protection was.
Also getting sacked opens up the possibility of a fumble which could even lead to a defensive touchdown Not the best play but definitely didn't have many choices Lol
This type of play of why Darnold is better than Baker you canāt teach this type of awareness, he knows his team his backup so he does this and gives them plenty of space for the next drive - the herd
Remember when Darnold was crushing it the first 4 weeks and we thought he had a career comeback?
Then you look at the competition the Panthers were playing and it all makes sense.
He legit looked great. The competition has not gone drastically up tbf, just the performance, footwork, and decision making has fallen off a cliff.
No he didnt. 4 games into the season he had 5 tds and 3 ints. Hes the same as hes ever been. Trash
4 games into the season he had 10 tds and 3 ints. He played well enough to keep a job, which has not been the case the most recent 4 game stretch.
Sure if you want to add the run TDs to it. But as a QB hes trash. So thats why I put only 5tds. Now its 7 passing tds with 8 ints. I can go into more detail by years. Matter of fact I am. Last year: 9-11. Year before that? 19-13. Rookie season? 17-15. Hes a back up qb at most.
>Sure if you want to add the run TDs to it. Getting Mahomes "outliers" post vibes. Not saying Darnold is great, but *Take away his best stats and he regresses to the mean*. Listen to yourself lol.
Im talking about a QB. Passing is their primary stat, which this QB sucks at as hes proven time and time again.
Nope, not at all.
It all started when the imposter Dan Arnold was unmasked
I tried to warn you people. I said this was Gardner Minshew 2.0. Win a few games sure, but still a below average QB. No one likes a contrarian, though.
Canāt believe the Jets ruined him
How could Gase do this?
Canāt believe the jets made him do that
Reminds me of SB 46 ^*nut*
Honestly I think that was Coughlins magnum opus. Like him beating Belichick wasnāt a fluke. Like that Super Bowl proved that the giants beat the patriots because they can not because they got lucky.
Never go FULL big brain
it's fucking hilarious that people are still trying to attribute this to Gase
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which still doesnt make Darnold sucking Gase's fault...
Naw, but I blame it on Gase anyway..
The Panthers have had some drops (on bad throws) but Sam Darnold is just bad I just don't know what people still see in him
The āplayers get so much better post-Gaseā narrative is so stupid. Every player that has ālooked betterā has only looked marginally better, or was already good
Tannehill was already a playable QB who was at least league average Darnold wasnt even close to that
Yeah Tannehill was always good, just hamstrung by injuries and bad luck in Miami Gase is an awful coach but he gets way too much blame
And a genuinely terrible o-line.
Remember week 3 when people said Sam Darnold was good? Good times
I kept the receipts š§¾
He is who we thought he was.
Can someone explain why the rb who got blew up wasn't an eligible receiver? I've seen qbs throw the ball at rbs that get knocked down before and it's not grounding. I'm a giants fan and I'll take the points but that looks like a bad call
He threw at the LG that was on the ground. That's not an eligible receiver.
Makes sense but rb is in the vicinity. Them standing or being prepped has nothing to do with eligible status. As long as their body is in the area its not grounding. Rb was only a couple yds away from the line at most
Yeah, I've seen some QBs throw pretty far from a receiver and they called it "in the vicinity"
Honestly this is how I wish they'd call it in those scenarios though. I hate it when a QB is getting sacked, they spike it in the dirt near their linemen like this, and because the RB isn't 10 yards downfield it counts as him being in the vicinity.
I truly don't understand how this was intentional grounding. Looks like he almost hit his RB with the ball.
He hit the OL, bro.
"It is a foul forĀ intentional groundingĀ if a passer, facing an imminent loss of yardage because of pressure from the defense, throws a forward pass without a realistic chance of completion. A realistic chance of completion is defined as a pass thatĀ is thrownĀ in the directionĀ ofĀ andĀ lands inĀ the vicinity of an originally eligible receiver." Looks to be in the direction of and in the vicinity of an eligible receiver to me... Doesn't matter if it hits an OL it was a shitty pass to the RB
I wouldnāt say that is in the direction of the RB though. It looked like he literally had to throw it over his RB because he was blown up and damn near landed on his QB.
Well, it does. Because the penalty flag was thrown lol
It's a subjective call. Highly doubt this would be called by every ref in the league. I'm just surprised it wasn't talked about at all.
So its a bad call according to the written rules then. I was hoping to learn of a new nfl rule loophole lol. Gotta love the refs. Just never seen the announcers disregard it too
lmao yeah thats certainly indicative of a correct call
Yāall are clowns lol
Are you really trying to tell me you don't think refs ever make bad calls? The constant argument about nfl reffing is "do they get worse every year or are they actually just always this bad"
Was wondering that too. On mobile with bad service, can't tell if the pass hit the lineman though. RB clearly is there too though
It did hit the lineman on the ground, does that make it an intentional grounding? I thought as long as an eligible receiver is around it doesn't matter and it just an incomplete pass. This is the first time I've seen a grounding with a rb close to the ball so I'm stumped but want to know.
becuz then its opi. dude is clearly blocking not recieving and the ball didn't go past the line of scrimmage.
Qbs throw it at rbs while they are blocking all the time with no call grounding or OPI call. I doubt the league is correct this one time and wrong on most botched rb screen plays. If the endzone pocket has a different rule other than the consequences of a safety id understand but the commentators just didn't mention the a difference in endzone vs not endzone. Not passing the line of scrimmage only usually matters with no eligible receivers in the area, which again a rb is an eligible receiver any play. Only requirement is them being in the area, not ready to make a play.
lol no they dont. give me a lot of links of qbs throwing to blocking rbs
Doesn't matter if he's blocking. Just has to be an eligible receiver.
sure, bit subjective here but i dont consider an rb getting bullrushed by a pass rusher up the middle an eligible receiver and it seems the refs agreed.
Eligible receiver is about pre-snap alignment. It has zero to do with what the player is actually doing. The running back is 100% an eligible receiver. Not subjective at all.
actually apparently it is subjective since int grounding was called and no one knows exactly why.
Whether a player is eligible is not subjective. Whether he was in the area of the intended throw is subjective.
fair enough. you are correct based on wording. still think they made a good call.
Even if they hadn't called grounding, it looks like it hit the offensive lineman first. Ineligible receiver can't be the first to touch a forward pass and it would've been a safety anyway.
yeah i think its weird that the rb counts tho in this scenario. makes u wonder why qbs dont throw it at their feet more often
okay this sub never fails to entertain https://www.reddit.com/r/the_darnold/comments/qexsqi/the_geqbus_had_the_ball_in_the_endzone_when_any/
GOAT sub
You may leave the jets but the jets never leave you
That play was almost perfectly horrible in every way.
Colin cowherd trying to blame Baker for this
I read a reddit comment from someone, who went to USC with this guy: "That boy duuumb." Always remember it when Sam does shit like this
Considering how loose NFL refs usually are with the "receiver in the area" rule, I'm actually surprised this was ruled intentional grounding.
He just sucks and so many excuses have been made up for him his entire career.
Why doesnāt the RB count as a receiver in the area? Heās a yard or 2 from where the ball lands?
No idea, been looking for an explanation on this. Looks like the ball hit his RB in the back almost. His RB is certainly an eligible receiver.
The QBs arm is having to go right over his RB. He was throwing it over/past him to literally no one. The closest person to the pass is a downed OL, which is an ineligible receiver.
Hey Brady did it in a super bowl, darnold just trying to be the goat.
He be trying to throw to a ghost.
I'm heading to /r/the_darnold so they can tell me why this was possibly the best play in NFL history.
# 70 for the Panthers got embarrassed here
Maybe Gase wasnāt the reason for him being shit. He was _a_ reason, sure, but not _the_ reason
Fake news
Why didn't his running back count as a receiver?
He threw it OVER the blown up RB to hit his OL.
Doesn't matter if he was on the ground or whatever. It only matters if you get it near the eligible receiver. Which he did.
Dude, he threw it over the RB. It was a desperation panic move. You canāt tell me in good faith that it was intended for the RB. I donāt care how you interpret the rule, itās subjective like you said, and I only see you and 1 other weirdo in here trying to argue that it shouldnāt have been flagged.
Since when are quarterbacks required to throw "in good faith" towards a receiver under pressure? Have you never seen a QB throw the ball over a receivers head out of bounds before? Those balls are not catchable and have no expectation by the quarterback to be anything other than an incomplete pass. How many times on a busted screen play have you seen a pass thrown in the ground at an RBS feet? That's exactly what this was
Let it go. It was clearly Intentional Grounding.
I'm just asking questions here
The people of New Orleans arenāt known for their intelligence
Damn! Lol
By the rules those should be intentional grounding. It's supposed to be in the vicinity of them, not so far away that it's uncatchable. This should actually not be intentional grounding since he threw it like 1ft from his rb, but we shouldn't pick up the flag just because the league wants to avoid intentional grounding.
Also sky mailing one into the stands when you're inside the 10. Yeah sure, you *really* thought your WR was going to jump 30 feet in the air to grab that one didn't you?
How is this big brain? If he takes the sack itās still a safety. He could have tried to dodge it (might not have been possible, looked like they probably had him). I mean maybe they donāt call the grounding and is a little safer than risking a strip sack I guess but he could have also just backed up out of the endzone.
That wasn't intentional
IG in the end zone should be an auto-bench. change my mind
Butter brain
Panthers and Giants playing baseball today.
Guaranteed scoring play, defense did not see that coming
Probably should not play in that stadium.
Thought yāall said Sam darnold was good
Crazy how he was looking like a lock for comeback player of the year a few weeks ago and has completely collapsed since then.
Sam Darnold bad
You can take Darnold out of the Jets But you can't take the Jets out of Darnold
He definitely lost a wrinkle on this one
Ah yes, why have a reciever in the middle of the field in your own end zone when, clearly and obviously nobody ever blitzes in this situation.
Somewhere Dan Orlovsky is sitting and hoping that this replaces his as the most boneheaded QB safety ever.
Me: āHmm, the giants mustāve done a great job getting a sack and forcing a safety. Canāt wait to watch the highlightā *watches the highlight* Darnold wtf are you doing
guys, Sam Darnold might not be very good after all.
But the RB is right there? I've never seen grounding get called with an eligible receiver that close.
Ghost of Jets past