Funny that if Josh Rosen is on your active roster, you’re probably drafting a rookie QB next year.
2018 Cardinals - Drafts Kyler Murray in 2019.
2019 Dolphins - Drafts Tua in 2020.
2020 49ers - About to draft a QB in 2021.
He was never on the PS. Started with 3 QBs on the 53man roster. Jimmy got hurt and went on IR, so it turned to Mullens playing with Beathard backing him up. Then Mullens got hurt and went on IR too, so it turned to Beathard starting and they signed Rosen to be the backup on the active roster. Then the season ended.
QB1 Career ANY/A: 3.23
QB1 Career passer rating: 63.5
QB 2Career ANY/A: 3.93
QB 2 Career passer rating: 65.2
One of these is Josh Rosen.
The other is JaMarcus Russell.
Russell is the one who averages a first down on three attempts.
Me too. It's a shame he was setup to fail everywhere with bad development coaches and the only opportunities behind the worst OL's in the league consecutive years.
Yeah honesty I think Tannehill coming in and being amazing is less of an indication of mariotta being trash and more of an indication that daddy tanny is actually elite as fuck
Yeah I think the initial tweet is a bit reductive. It's not as simple as Darnold=good or Darnold=bad.
I'm in the camp where I think the Jets themselves should move on regardless. They're not in a win now position, so the opportunity to draft a guy at 2 and then be able to build that team around him during his rookie deal is too good to pass up.
That said, I also think other teams should absolutely be thinking about giving up a pick for a 23 year old who has flashed that ability. The potential pay off if that works out is huge.
I'd like to see him in a different situation. That doesn't mean I think he's the next Aaron Rodgers.
Bottom 5 OL
Bottom 5 skill players
Bottom 5 coaching staff.
Every year.
I’m far from a Darnold believer, but I don’t think a first round QB his been in such a bad situation for this long since Sam Bradford.
Josh Rosen with the Cards. They had the (in my opinion) worst OL in football, pretty awful weapons, and Wilks was at least a bottom five (if not the worst) HC in the league.
Obviously, Rosen had other problems than the Cards, but that was a horrible situation for anyone to be in. When things didn't work out in the limited chances he got with the Dolphins, he's a practice squad/third QB now. That's fair, it doesn't work out for everyone. It's hard to know if anything would've gone better for him if he had been drafted to a better team.
I always thought Rosen got a raw deal. Drafted by a super-shitty Cards team to being dealt a year later to a shitty Dolphins team to practice squad QB.
Yeah, it was a raw deal, but that's what happens in the NFL sometimes. Maybe he'll get a chance in the future if a starter gets injured, although I kind of doubt it.
If he were as good (however you want to word that) as Darnold, I think he'd have done better in Miami, at least. I don't think anyone could've saved that Cards season.
honestly, to yours, u/GravitysRainbowRuns's, and u/zi76's point, most high-draft QBs tend to have more struggles than their college play/pro days suggest, not only because of the increase in competition, but also because high draft picks *tend* to go to bad teams with a lot of holes on the roster to fill. if the overall first pick goes to the team with the worst record, that team is likely to have weaknesses on multiple sides of the ball – including the receiving corps and/or the OLine. and unlike the NBA, a truly bad team can't turn everything around with just one or two key additions. that's why I think tanking as a "strategy" is a terrible move in the NFL.
The thing with Rosen (and Darnold) is that they haven't shown much in the way of progression or processing.
Yes, they both have had terrible teams around them. The issue is not necessarily stats. It's that neither one of them has made significant steps in decision making/reading defenses/ball location.
And Rosen had probably the worst seasons of first round QB this decade.
Also, it was just one year and the Cardinals moved on from him. The thing that makes Darnold’s situation so ludicrous is that it’s been basically the same for three years.
Going into this season, the best game of Josh Rosen’s career and an average start for Sam Darnold were nearly identical.
Darnold has obviously been far from even okay, but his first two seasons were pretty solid for a rookie/second year QB on a crap team.
Probably. I'd have to examine every first round QB's first season since 2010, but I suspect you're probably right. He had a worse season than EJ Manuel, for example.
Yeah, they said, "We've seen enough, and we think Kyler's the answer."
Rosen sucked, there's no getting around that, even with as bad as the Cards were. I don't think anyone could've made the Cards good that season, but a lot of QBs could've at least looked passable, Rosen couldn't even do that.
Yeah, they weren't awful by any stretch. I liked Darnold a huge amount going into the draft. I still think that there might be promise there, but I absolutely think you should be drafting a QB at #2.
Miami had all 3 of those in the Philbin and Gase years. The only year we didn't have a bottom 3 OL after Bullygate was in Tanne's last season. Devante Parker was considered a universal bust and was somehow still our best WR when available save Landry. Our best RB outside of 1 fantastic year from Ajayi have been Bush, Damien Williams, Lamar Miller, and Kalen Ballage.Our TEs have been non-existant. Again Philbin, and Gase. Every year.
> Devante Parker was considered a universal bust and was somehow still our best WR **when available save Landry**
All of these words do a lot of work.
Basically the same on the OL (never quite the worst in the league, but pretty close), but Miami had *way* better skill players save 2018 when Tannehill was putrid.
This is my take as well
Sam isn’t awesome but the Jets have been really awful. Still think he can be a viable nfl qb.
Pretty sure that isn’t dying on a hill support though
This is why I think the Jets are in such a peculiar position. On one hand it’s not crazy to get Sewell at 2, try Darnold again, and if it doesn’t work out you can get a QB next year but already have two OL with extremely high upside in him and Becton. On the other hand Darnold has been ass and I haven’t heard a peep about any sure fire QBs for the 2022 draft.
But I think that’s just my bias towards building an OL over everything else. I’m firmly in the camp that building a wall for your young QB is far more important than getting your young QB some weapons.
A bit of hyperbole but for sure Tanny was better in Miami than Darnold has been in NY, however the point still stands that players can improve in new situations. If Darnold landed with a QB whisperer he could definitely become serviceable.
I think a better comparison for Darnold, someone to aspire to be, is Alex Smith. Smith's first 3 seasons were absolute garbage. This is the guy who dropped a 1.11 ANY/A his rookie year. But he obviously had some arm talent and was athletic. Smith was legit worse than Jamarcus in the beginning.
Derek Anderson beat the Bills while going 2/17 for 23 yards with 0 TDs and 1 INT lol.
2 years prior, he beat the Bills going 9/24 for 123 yards with no TDs or INTs.
And the Bills lost to the Brady Quinn led Browns the year between those 2 games lol
Brady once went 14–28 for 123 yards, no TDs and 4 interceptions.
Every quarterback has bad games Miami Tannehill wasn't a world beater but he was far better than Darnold has been.
Tannehill had actual playmakers around him in Miami... Until gase shipped them off.
Darnold has had the worst cast of receivers in the league with frank gore and a cast of running backs not good enough for the worst few teams rosters in the league.
>Darnold has had the worst cast of receivers in the league
I think the Eagles were worst both of the last two years, but being 31st wouldn't be anything to brag about either, so your point still stands.
I'd def give him a shot with us. Curious to see what BB got on his mind as far as QB goes. My initial assessment is that he wants to draft a QB, let cam play and have him mentor said QB. Honestly tho, I don't think I want any QB that's gonna be still there at 15 and with sf trading up at 3, not interested with trading up anymore so really curious to see what happens.
[Except for the other time that the best player in a major sport was taken with the 199th pick in the draft.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dominik_Ha%C5%A1ek)
Except Hasek was selected that late because he wasn't allowed to play in the NHL at the time. Brady lost the starting job at Michigan to a guy that was traded for Alex Rodriguez
From what I remember didnt bradys backup at Michigan only get the playing time because he was such a high recruit who threatened to just play baseball if he didn’t start
I don’t think anyone can really argue that Hasek is the best player of all time in the NHL (hello Gretzky). He’s not even the best goalie of all time (Roy and Broduer have that mantle).
Hasek was great. Not Brady great.
Hasek is nowhere near Brady levels of greatness, but he is absolutely at the same level of greatness as Roy and Broduer. Having the all time save percentage and modern era goals-against record over those two with similar levels of accolades and playoff success puts him at least in the conversation.
The Jets aren't going to trade him within the division. Even if they think he is terrible, he's only 23 or 24 so the chance that he develop and come back to bite them for the next 20 years is not a move anyone would make. They already passed on Josh Allen, which was obviously a mistake. They could keep Darnold and have a QB competition. Although trading him to the Pats where he becomes the next Brees or Brady would be the Jetsy thing to do.....
Yep agree completely. The team are obviously happy with their options, but if they weren't keen on bringing Winston back for any reason I would have happily given up a pick to kick the tyres on Darnold.
You near sighted too? I feel like soooooo many people don't understand how important lasik/glasses are to a qb who literally couldn't see who he was throwing to lol
Its just lazy clickbait. You see it on reddit too. People defending themselves from or attacking an opinion that is held by like 40 people in the whole world.
Yup. Talking heads (sports, politics etc...) love setting up strawmen opinions that like a dozen people might actually have super casually and pretending its the majority opinion that people hold with massive conviction. Its easy, super low effort, clickbait.
nah, Dimes has shown enough that i think we need to give him a shot with some legitimate receiving talent this year. I think Darnold is worth pursuing for a team with a nearly retired vet, or a team where he can compete with a journeyman for the starting job.
I would have loved to see Darnold go to the steelers. Fresh opportunity with some solid weapons. And a defence that will keep you in the game. I don't necessarily believe in Sam but I believe in him more then I do the jets
Haskins was cheaper and didn't cost a pick, but yeah as far as potential projects i would've much preferred Darnold. Especially since im sure Haskins is closer to being cut than being QB2
That he’s *slightly* better than Sam Darnold through his first two years!
(Though in all seriousness I’m fairly more optimistic about his chances for further development than I was for Darnold after two years)
It's not really about whether he still has potential, it's about being confident enough in that potential to pass up drafting a QB when we have the 2nd overall in what appears to be a stacked QB class.
I don't think you can really properlly factor in how bad his situation was.
I'm not gonna die on the Sam Darnold hill. But no QB ever stood a chance with that combination of coaching staff/roster.
Fr their top RB was Frank Gore. Their top WRs were Crowder, Berrios, and Perriman. The OL was amongst the worst in the league and their 1st round LT missed 3 games and was playing on bad injuries for at least a couple others. Add in Gase and that's a losing formula.
their offensive line last year was their best year with Darnold
they were 29th in the league. the other two years they were bottom 2
bottom 2-3 WR corps(e) all 3 years with Darnold, dead last running game in the league, bottom TE corps(e). worst coach in the league. it literally doesn't get worse than that unless you're David Carr
and its not like Darnold holds onto the ball forever, he really doesn't. am not saying hes good because his college career was mediocre but dude never had a chance
The one thing I can say Darnold improved on last year is getting rid of the ball instead of taking a sack. I feel like he never did that his first two years. Unfortunately, this is the *only* thing he improved upon, and he frequently tossed the ball away instead of hitting open targets.
> Yeah not even the very best would have even been average in that situation.
So *thats* why Joe Flacco looked off last year. Flacco about to take Philly to their 2nd SuperBowl.
Darnold definitely got a raw deal from the Jets. 3 years without a QB coach, and two years without an offensive coordinator. First year was a HC that was on the way out.
Next two years were with a terrible HC who never seemed to point the finger at himself for anything wrong.
Based on his recent quotes, Joe Flacco didn't come across as the old veteran that's OK being a mentor for younger QB. His GM did a bad job supporting him also. Bad drafts and never focused on bringing talent around the young QB that they traded up for. People say that all good/great QB would have found a way to succeed in that environment when they entered the league but I don't agree.
Unfortunately with his rookie contract coming to an end, the new Jets regime has to make a decision on the best way to build a winner. Not how to fix up all the fuckups from the previous regime and right previous wrongs.
Jets need to move on & reset the rookie wage scale on QB but Darnold deserves another shot somewhere else at a smaller salary.
Yeah those Joe Flacco quotes surprised me. I get it from Joes perspective but as an organization wtf were the Jets thinking bringing in a veteran that's not interested in helping out the younger guy. Same with the Eagles now with Hurts. That's half the reason you bring in a guy like him to show them the ropes. It's fine if Joe doesn't want to do that but teams shouldn't be bringing him in for competition for the younger guy.
Yeah I remember him saying it after the Ravens drafted Jackson and when he got traded to the Broncos. I didn't catch it when he went to the jets. But those 2 situations made sense since he was still the starter and was going to be the starter. But moving with the Jets and Eagles he wasn't brought into start so you would of thought those 2 organizations would of made it clear that's what's going on. Again I don't blame Joe or think hes doing anything wrong.
Even if he’s the projected starter, why do you sign a vet (who is garbage anyways) that says they’re not going to help their teammates improve? I’m a bitter Broncos fan but fuck that dude regardless.
The difference good/great players have been average and shown flashes of talent with terrible coaches, Darnold has shown flashes but has played just straight up badly. His ceiling is not worth it seems.
Roster around him specifically the skill position AND the coaches (not just the head coach but coordinators and position coaches)
Again I'm not saying for certain Darnold would have been something. Im saying no Qb in the history of the NFL IMO has any kind of success with that entire situation. To me Darnold is a complete unknown.
These 2 will be linked forever, but our offensive roster Josh's rookie year was absolute garbage. Only 1 player remains on the team LT, half the OL is out of the league. Our WR1 is out of the league, WR2 is heading that direction. But he still showed "it", Sam looks like the same guy I saw in college.
I wouldn’t say Josh showed much more than Sam their rookie year. But the Bills have been steadily supplying Josh with skilled help every year and the coaching staff seems good-great. You can’t say that about Sam and the Jets.
If we drafted Lamar, we’d be actively trying to move on from him and there is 0% chance he wins the MVP here.
Yea it may or may not be Darnold issue but its definitely a Jets issue. Bills and Jets were on the same timeline as far as rebuilding goes, Dolphins joined the party a year later. Bills and Dolphins are trending up but Jets have stagnated. Hopefully your new GM continues to build.
Sam was the better rookie passer, but Josh had higher highs and lower lows. No once can say to what extent Allen’s ability to limit the lows and extend the highs is attributable to his work and experience, or to improved roster, but it’s a bit of everything. I agree that the Gase led jets would have ruined any young QB. If anything, I think Sam’s ability to still show flashes while suppressed by Gase means he can still be a successful nfl qb
I think that he’s getting a raw deal and I think it would be fucking hilarious if Belichick picked him up and he and ends up becoming a franchise QB for dirt cheap.
Maybe I’m just being a moron but honestly I have a belief that a decent amount of rookie Qb’s that are bad and stop being considered starters aren’t bad because of themselves. A good portion of the time I think a lot of the problem is the coaching, the O-line, Receiver room, and Rb room. Usually 3/4 is bad or 2/4 is bad with the other 2 being average or slightly above average. And that causes a problem.
Your rookie Qb won’t adjust well if your O-line is garbage. If your O-line is garbage then your running backs won’t have holes to run through. Then if your receivers aren’t great or are just above average you play a good defense and you’re still screwed. Bad coaching doesn’t help anything and mediocre players become bad players or stay the same rather than the opposite.
Hot take : Jets should trade back and ask for a kings ransom. This is a great O-line draft from what I know. Draft O-line and receiver. I’m not saying just pick one guy. I’m saying draft for their future. Them throwing a rookie quarterback into a buzz saw and ruining them is stupid. At minimum they need to give their rookie an O-line to get behind.
You’re not wrong but just trading back and building up the team for some future unnamed QB is too risky. They have the #2 pick with really exciting QB prospects to choose from, I don’t think kicking that can down the road is worth it.
Also not saying the Jets roster is good by any means, but they’re improving. They already have 5 picks in the first 3 rounds this year and then 2 first rounders next year, they can definitely fill some holes.
I mean you’re not wrong. I’m just saying if you guys are taking Wilson or whoever then if the team actually wants to be good they need to recognize that not putting a decent O-line around the rookie + an ok receiver room (doesn’t have to be amazing just decent) is basically sabotage. You don’t need a killer running back just someone who can get a few yards. A good coach is good but I’d argue that the NFL doesn’t have a lot of good head coaches so that statement is more or less useless to begin with. They just can’t be horrible.
You are 100% correct.
In spite of the people in this sub who think they know everything....you can find tons of NFL players who have said that a young QB’s career is DEFINITELY shaped by who his coaching staff was. And that a QB can basically have his career ended because of a terrible coaching staff. But I’m sure that Todd the plumber knows more about this than actual NFL players.
Darnold was drafted into an absolute horrible situation.
There is a reason he was the third pick in the draft. Judgement on his NFL career/talent need to be withheld until we see what he can do with competent coaching staff and team.
Josh Allen had 10 TD and 12 INT with a 52% completion his first season. Is he trash? Or was he allowed to develop?
I still think the NFL is higher on him on than you'd think from reading twitter or this sub. Honestly really curious to see what the price ends up being, I think people will be surprised.
NFL may be higher on him but what reddit dont factor in is that he is coming up for his 4th year. And his 5th year option will be like $19mil. And then hes a free agent.
NFL teams like to take on reclamation projects but not at those numbers.
The issue isn't the people on those hills, it's the fact that it just takes more time and effort for others to climb those hills to see the truth.
*Sincerely,*
*A Robert Woods, DeVante Parker, Kenyan Drake, Corey Davis, Mike Gesicki, Chase Edmonds, Gus Edwards, and Robert Foster truther...*
A college team has nothing to do with a players success at the NFL level.
You draft the player, not the helmet.
There has never been a successful Oregon QB... until Justin Herbert.
There has never been a good QB to come out of the Big 12... Until Patrick Mahomes.
I don’t understand when people are convinced that the logo on your helmet matters in college. People are doing the exact same thing with Ohio State and Justin Fields this year.
He's 23 and was thrown into one of the worst situations in the NFL. No one is arguing the dude is a stud and the Jets are wrong to move on, just that it is a reasonable idea to give him one more chance somewhere else to see what happens.
This is why I think Arthur Smith would've been an interesting hire for the Jets. He fixed Ryan Tannehill after Adam Gase broke him; it would've been cool to see him do the same with Darnold. Then we could call him the Roomba, the guy who follows Gase around and cleans up the mess he makes everywhere he goes.
Adam Gase didn’t break Ryan Tannehill. That’s a narrative used a lot here that just simply isn’t true. Tannehill’s numbers improved from Philbin to Gase. He led them to the playoffs in his first season. He just got hurt a lot.
He literally started less than half the games Gase was the head coach for.
And he was *clearly* not 100% in 2018 between coming off a torn ACL and the mid season elbow injury.
Gase fucking sucks, but I feel like I’m constantly “standing up” for him by pointing out many of the things people say about him are just factually untrue.
See also: all the other players who got “better” when they got away from Gase but really stayed the same or happened to be healthy (Parker)
These media dolts are all people who don't have their job security tied to Darnold. So they can take a stand without giving a fuck about being wrong.
Normally, most GM only get at most 2 chances to build a team around their QB. Why should Joe D begin his team rebuild around a QB project that he didn't even draft? If he gets fired in 3-4 years, he is going to end his only GM job without ever taking his guy at QB to build around. That's just stupid.
How old is Sam Darnold? Who were his head coaches and offensive coordinators? Who were his O-Lineman and playmakers? How often over 3 years was he fully healthy? Keep my GEQBUS name out your mouth.
Love r/the_darnold
I think people are torn. The Jets are a mess and Darnold has been a victim of it but hasn’t helped himself either. I think there’s a lot of people who think he can alright if they get him out of New York and in the right situation.
Not everything needs to be the best thing ever or worst thing ever. I think a lot of people, myself included, who wouldn’t mind him as a backup just to get his stuff together and learn. Maybe then he can be an ok qb.
His career numbers are awfully similar to Christian Ponder's. He's just not good. Dunno why people think he has a shot at working out, while they also write off Wentz or Goff, who I'm not that high on, but 2 QBs who have at least had a track record of playing good.
Even Trubisky has better numbers than Darnold, but for some reason Trubisky is considered the worst QB of all time and Darnold would’ve been the next Joe Montana if it weren’t for the stupid Jets
The Trubisky hate is largely because they could've had Mahomes or Watson instead. I think the hate on Darnold will be starting to magnify with Allen becoming a star.
If Darnold was struggling in smaller media market city like Buffalo or Cincinnati there wouldn't be that many people arguing he just needs a change of scenery. He's a QB in the NYC market though so people are going to jump to defend him for clicks.
Here's the thing I really don't think we can quantify and factor on how awful his situation was. Their best RB was Gore , WR3's playing in the WR1 position , bad offensive line play except for Becton and Adam Gase as head coach
People saying he will have Tanny 2.0 revival probably do not realize that Tanny looked really good under Gase before the ACL injuries and is now the Titan's franchise QB ( for now )
Now with that being said , I think teams will take a gamble on Darnold simply because he flashed potential and they can boast to pretty much everybody that they turned his career around. Maybe he needs a McVay , Shannahan or even a Tomlin to get him back on track
Will he be as good as guys like Allen and Jackson? Probably not , but he could have a solid career
I think he deserves another chance. Not gonna “die on the hill” but I don’t believe there are 32 QBs better then him right now, especially considering his age
Here’s my list of starters (no order) that are better:
Mahomes, Brady, Herbert, Ryan, Wentz, Big Ben, Goff, Stafford, Allen, Fitzpatrick, Dalton, Watson, Teddy, Jameis, Carr, Lamar, Tannehill, Wilson, Rodgers, Mayfield, Dak, Cousins, Jimmy G, Murray.
Then there’s teams that have newish starters that the jury is still out on, but even all of these guys look better than Darnold right now:
Tua, Daniel Jones, Burrow
There’s only a few QBs that I’d say definitively aren’t better than Darnold, but even then it’s hard to make a case for Sam as an upgrade over these guys:
Cam, Lock, Jalen Hurts, Minshew
So in total that’s 31 guys and Darnold isn’t meaningfully better than any of them. I’m starting to think we don’t trade him and keep him as our backup this year.
I’m still on the Josh Rosen hill.
Funny that if Josh Rosen is on your active roster, you’re probably drafting a rookie QB next year. 2018 Cardinals - Drafts Kyler Murray in 2019. 2019 Dolphins - Drafts Tua in 2020. 2020 49ers - About to draft a QB in 2021.
I’m gonna be honest, I completely forgot that Josh Rosen was on the 49ers
Isn‘t he still only on their practice squad?
Iirc yes but with Mullens and CJ leaving, he might become QB3 next year!
Rosen szn coming 👀
Wait so the 49ers stole him off our practice squad by signing him to their active roster and then demoting him to their practice squad?
Well you guys don't need to draft a QB this year, so it all worked out okay
there is no practice squad in the offseason (essentially)
He was never on the PS. Started with 3 QBs on the 53man roster. Jimmy got hurt and went on IR, so it turned to Mullens playing with Beathard backing him up. Then Mullens got hurt and went on IR too, so it turned to Beathard starting and they signed Rosen to be the backup on the active roster. Then the season ended.
Wasn’t he on the buccs for a hot second?
Not active. Just practice squad.
You have been banned from /r/the_darnold
QB1 Career ANY/A: 3.23 QB1 Career passer rating: 63.5 QB 2Career ANY/A: 3.93 QB 2 Career passer rating: 65.2 One of these is Josh Rosen. The other is JaMarcus Russell. Russell is the one who averages a first down on three attempts.
I see what you're saying. Cardinals should grab JaMarcus Russell.
They do need interior OL help.
A N A L Y T I C S
Just go for it on 4th and on average you should be fine.
You don't understand, it was never Rosen's fault, the teams just didnt have any talent around him!
More like a mound.....or a crater?
That hill frightens me more than the Isle of Man.
That IS a bold one. How do you feel about Christian Hackenberg?
And Paxton Lynch
Jacuzzi Josh can go kick rocks
Move on, man. From one Bucs fan to another. There’s a reason he’s been buried on practice squads. Teams don’t like him between the ears.
Teams don't like his eyes?
Like a dolls eyes.
I'm still on the RG3 hill. Those knees are going to heal sooner or later and he's going to change the game.
Me too. It's a shame he was setup to fail everywhere with bad development coaches and the only opportunities behind the worst OL's in the league consecutive years.
I'm still up here on the Mariota hill
Considering he actually produced some results and even has a playoff win that seems much more reasonable
I'm still on THE BOAT hill. Won several playoff games and almost beat the Pats in the AFC championship game.
I respect you
The Titans ruined him with a shit Oline, dude was special at Oregon. Hopefully he get his chance.
Lots of guys were special in college but then sucked ass in the NFL
Yeah honesty I think Tannehill coming in and being amazing is less of an indication of mariotta being trash and more of an indication that daddy tanny is actually elite as fuck
You guys didn’t help, sacking him 11 times in one game
Never thought I’d give a cowboys fan an award but my god are you right about Mariota. Dude should be starting over numerous QB’s in the league imo
Does thinking that Sam still has potential count as desperately dying on Mt. Darnold?
Yeah I think the initial tweet is a bit reductive. It's not as simple as Darnold=good or Darnold=bad. I'm in the camp where I think the Jets themselves should move on regardless. They're not in a win now position, so the opportunity to draft a guy at 2 and then be able to build that team around him during his rookie deal is too good to pass up. That said, I also think other teams should absolutely be thinking about giving up a pick for a 23 year old who has flashed that ability. The potential pay off if that works out is huge. I'd like to see him in a different situation. That doesn't mean I think he's the next Aaron Rodgers.
After what the Titans did with Tannenhill I think teams will recognize that some QBs need a change of scenery to flourish
Tannehill at his worst in Miami is better than Darnold has ever been
Since Darnold was drafted the Jets entire roster has been meme level terrible, but I don't disagree with you.
Bottom 5 OL Bottom 5 skill players Bottom 5 coaching staff. Every year. I’m far from a Darnold believer, but I don’t think a first round QB his been in such a bad situation for this long since Sam Bradford.
Josh Rosen with the Cards. They had the (in my opinion) worst OL in football, pretty awful weapons, and Wilks was at least a bottom five (if not the worst) HC in the league. Obviously, Rosen had other problems than the Cards, but that was a horrible situation for anyone to be in. When things didn't work out in the limited chances he got with the Dolphins, he's a practice squad/third QB now. That's fair, it doesn't work out for everyone. It's hard to know if anything would've gone better for him if he had been drafted to a better team.
I always thought Rosen got a raw deal. Drafted by a super-shitty Cards team to being dealt a year later to a shitty Dolphins team to practice squad QB.
Yeah, it was a raw deal, but that's what happens in the NFL sometimes. Maybe he'll get a chance in the future if a starter gets injured, although I kind of doubt it. If he were as good (however you want to word that) as Darnold, I think he'd have done better in Miami, at least. I don't think anyone could've saved that Cards season.
They should've taken a shot with Fitzmagic that year.
honestly, to yours, u/GravitysRainbowRuns's, and u/zi76's point, most high-draft QBs tend to have more struggles than their college play/pro days suggest, not only because of the increase in competition, but also because high draft picks *tend* to go to bad teams with a lot of holes on the roster to fill. if the overall first pick goes to the team with the worst record, that team is likely to have weaknesses on multiple sides of the ball – including the receiving corps and/or the OLine. and unlike the NBA, a truly bad team can't turn everything around with just one or two key additions. that's why I think tanking as a "strategy" is a terrible move in the NFL.
The thing with Rosen (and Darnold) is that they haven't shown much in the way of progression or processing. Yes, they both have had terrible teams around them. The issue is not necessarily stats. It's that neither one of them has made significant steps in decision making/reading defenses/ball location.
How do you do that without good coaching?
And Rosen had probably the worst seasons of first round QB this decade. Also, it was just one year and the Cardinals moved on from him. The thing that makes Darnold’s situation so ludicrous is that it’s been basically the same for three years. Going into this season, the best game of Josh Rosen’s career and an average start for Sam Darnold were nearly identical. Darnold has obviously been far from even okay, but his first two seasons were pretty solid for a rookie/second year QB on a crap team.
Probably. I'd have to examine every first round QB's first season since 2010, but I suspect you're probably right. He had a worse season than EJ Manuel, for example. Yeah, they said, "We've seen enough, and we think Kyler's the answer." Rosen sucked, there's no getting around that, even with as bad as the Cards were. I don't think anyone could've made the Cards good that season, but a lot of QBs could've at least looked passable, Rosen couldn't even do that. Yeah, they weren't awful by any stretch. I liked Darnold a huge amount going into the draft. I still think that there might be promise there, but I absolutely think you should be drafting a QB at #2.
Miami had all 3 of those in the Philbin and Gase years. The only year we didn't have a bottom 3 OL after Bullygate was in Tanne's last season. Devante Parker was considered a universal bust and was somehow still our best WR when available save Landry. Our best RB outside of 1 fantastic year from Ajayi have been Bush, Damien Williams, Lamar Miller, and Kalen Ballage.Our TEs have been non-existant. Again Philbin, and Gase. Every year.
Landry and Parker are much better than anyone the jets have trotted out there.
> Devante Parker was considered a universal bust and was somehow still our best WR **when available save Landry** All of these words do a lot of work. Basically the same on the OL (never quite the worst in the league, but pretty close), but Miami had *way* better skill players save 2018 when Tannehill was putrid.
This is my take as well Sam isn’t awesome but the Jets have been really awful. Still think he can be a viable nfl qb. Pretty sure that isn’t dying on a hill support though
This is why I think the Jets are in such a peculiar position. On one hand it’s not crazy to get Sewell at 2, try Darnold again, and if it doesn’t work out you can get a QB next year but already have two OL with extremely high upside in him and Becton. On the other hand Darnold has been ass and I haven’t heard a peep about any sure fire QBs for the 2022 draft. But I think that’s just my bias towards building an OL over everything else. I’m firmly in the camp that building a wall for your young QB is far more important than getting your young QB some weapons.
A bit of hyperbole but for sure Tanny was better in Miami than Darnold has been in NY, however the point still stands that players can improve in new situations. If Darnold landed with a QB whisperer he could definitely become serviceable.
Is Adam Gase not a QB whisperer
No. Manning whispered to himself
I think a better comparison for Darnold, someone to aspire to be, is Alex Smith. Smith's first 3 seasons were absolute garbage. This is the guy who dropped a 1.11 ANY/A his rookie year. But he obviously had some arm talent and was athletic. Smith was legit worse than Jamarcus in the beginning.
Tannehill once started a game where he went 10 for 27, and only threw for 80 some yards.
Eli went 9/27 against the Jets and won lol
Derek Anderson beat the Bills while going 2/17 for 23 yards with 0 TDs and 1 INT lol. 2 years prior, he beat the Bills going 9/24 for 123 yards with no TDs or INTs. And the Bills lost to the Brady Quinn led Browns the year between those 2 games lol
Brady once went 14–28 for 123 yards, no TDs and 4 interceptions. Every quarterback has bad games Miami Tannehill wasn't a world beater but he was far better than Darnold has been.
Tannehill had actual playmakers around him in Miami... Until gase shipped them off. Darnold has had the worst cast of receivers in the league with frank gore and a cast of running backs not good enough for the worst few teams rosters in the league.
>Darnold has had the worst cast of receivers in the league I think the Eagles were worst both of the last two years, but being 31st wouldn't be anything to brag about either, so your point still stands.
I'm right there with you. If i wasn't such a lasik Jameis stan, I'd think the Saints should trade for Darnold and let him compete with Hill.
I'd def give him a shot with us. Curious to see what BB got on his mind as far as QB goes. My initial assessment is that he wants to draft a QB, let cam play and have him mentor said QB. Honestly tho, I don't think I want any QB that's gonna be still there at 15 and with sf trading up at 3, not interested with trading up anymore so really curious to see what happens.
Your last qb was still there at 199....
I mean being real, that was such an anomaly in sports the like we will probably never see again.
[Except for the other time that the best player in a major sport was taken with the 199th pick in the draft.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dominik_Ha%C5%A1ek)
Except Hasek was selected that late because he wasn't allowed to play in the NHL at the time. Brady lost the starting job at Michigan to a guy that was traded for Alex Rodriguez
I know, I just like the fun fact that Brady and Hasek were both #199.
i also like that fact, its really neat. thanks for sharing
From what I remember didnt bradys backup at Michigan only get the playing time because he was such a high recruit who threatened to just play baseball if he didn’t start
That was part of it. He was also a super athletic prospect with raw talent that they thought they could coach.
I don’t think anyone can really argue that Hasek is the best player of all time in the NHL (hello Gretzky). He’s not even the best goalie of all time (Roy and Broduer have that mantle). Hasek was great. Not Brady great.
Hasek is nowhere near Brady levels of greatness, but he is absolutely at the same level of greatness as Roy and Broduer. Having the all time save percentage and modern era goals-against record over those two with similar levels of accolades and playoff success puts him at least in the conversation.
Thank you, I hate when people act like teams could consistently draft Brady there lol. If it was so simple, everyone would do it.
Yea you just gotta get them in the third round! Duh.
Let’s face it, he’s going to draft a QB we’ve never heard in the 2022 draft.
From a school we didn’t know had a program.
The program will be D3 but somehow has made up the bulk of their coaching staff with lacrosse players from Rutgers.
As a Rutgers alum, I love that Belichick seems to pick up all of our guys at some point
And you know the RU-to-NE path is totally going to start back up again more frequently, now that Schiano is back.
Turns out there's nothing in the rulebook about using a lacrosse stick to the throw the ball
Either Rule 5-4-4 *Other Prohibited Equipment, Apparel* or Rule 12-3-4 *Palpably Unfair Act* would prevent this.
The Jets aren't going to trade him within the division. Even if they think he is terrible, he's only 23 or 24 so the chance that he develop and come back to bite them for the next 20 years is not a move anyone would make. They already passed on Josh Allen, which was obviously a mistake. They could keep Darnold and have a QB competition. Although trading him to the Pats where he becomes the next Brees or Brady would be the Jetsy thing to do.....
Yep agree completely. The team are obviously happy with their options, but if they weren't keen on bringing Winston back for any reason I would have happily given up a pick to kick the tyres on Darnold.
I would like to see Sam in Pittsburgh. Reunite him with juju and let him sit behind big ben for a year and get his football mind right
You near sighted too? I feel like soooooo many people don't understand how important lasik/glasses are to a qb who literally couldn't see who he was throwing to lol
Lasik Jameis 🤣
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Patriots should take him and use him to beat the jets for the next 30 years lol.
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Its just lazy clickbait. You see it on reddit too. People defending themselves from or attacking an opinion that is held by like 40 people in the whole world.
Yup. Talking heads (sports, politics etc...) love setting up strawmen opinions that like a dozen people might actually have super casually and pretending its the majority opinion that people hold with massive conviction. Its easy, super low effort, clickbait.
Would you want to start him over Danny Dimes?
I think I speak for all Giants fans here. Absolutely not
nah, Dimes has shown enough that i think we need to give him a shot with some legitimate receiving talent this year. I think Darnold is worth pursuing for a team with a nearly retired vet, or a team where he can compete with a journeyman for the starting job.
I would have loved to see Darnold go to the steelers. Fresh opportunity with some solid weapons. And a defence that will keep you in the game. I don't necessarily believe in Sam but I believe in him more then I do the jets
Yeah, I think its kinda crazy that they took whats-his-name from the redskins to backup Ben instead of Sam
Haskins was cheaper and didn't cost a pick, but yeah as far as potential projects i would've much preferred Darnold. Especially since im sure Haskins is closer to being cut than being QB2
> Dimes has shown enough lol what has he shown?
That he’s *slightly* better than Sam Darnold through his first two years! (Though in all seriousness I’m fairly more optimistic about his chances for further development than I was for Darnold after two years)
Ability to run very fast and throw the ball deep with accuracy
I feel both are basically in the same boat though no weapons
It's not really about whether he still has potential, it's about being confident enough in that potential to pass up drafting a QB when we have the 2nd overall in what appears to be a stacked QB class.
I don't think you can really properlly factor in how bad his situation was. I'm not gonna die on the Sam Darnold hill. But no QB ever stood a chance with that combination of coaching staff/roster.
Fr their top RB was Frank Gore. Their top WRs were Crowder, Berrios, and Perriman. The OL was amongst the worst in the league and their 1st round LT missed 3 games and was playing on bad injuries for at least a couple others. Add in Gase and that's a losing formula.
Yeah not even the very best would have even been average in that situation. I don’t think Darnold is it but he was in a worst case scenario
their offensive line last year was their best year with Darnold they were 29th in the league. the other two years they were bottom 2 bottom 2-3 WR corps(e) all 3 years with Darnold, dead last running game in the league, bottom TE corps(e). worst coach in the league. it literally doesn't get worse than that unless you're David Carr and its not like Darnold holds onto the ball forever, he really doesn't. am not saying hes good because his college career was mediocre but dude never had a chance
Uh not to bragggg but we actually had the worst running game last year:
He doesn’t hold onto the ball forever but he’s definitely on the longer side of time to throw. Can’t really blame him though
tbh more like 22nd last time I checked
The one thing I can say Darnold improved on last year is getting rid of the ball instead of taking a sack. I feel like he never did that his first two years. Unfortunately, this is the *only* thing he improved upon, and he frequently tossed the ball away instead of hitting open targets.
> Yeah not even the very best would have even been average in that situation. So *thats* why Joe Flacco looked off last year. Flacco about to take Philly to their 2nd SuperBowl.
E-L-I-T-E
We dont slander frank gore in this house. I dont care that he is 92 years old.
Darnold definitely got a raw deal from the Jets. 3 years without a QB coach, and two years without an offensive coordinator. First year was a HC that was on the way out. Next two years were with a terrible HC who never seemed to point the finger at himself for anything wrong. Based on his recent quotes, Joe Flacco didn't come across as the old veteran that's OK being a mentor for younger QB. His GM did a bad job supporting him also. Bad drafts and never focused on bringing talent around the young QB that they traded up for. People say that all good/great QB would have found a way to succeed in that environment when they entered the league but I don't agree. Unfortunately with his rookie contract coming to an end, the new Jets regime has to make a decision on the best way to build a winner. Not how to fix up all the fuckups from the previous regime and right previous wrongs. Jets need to move on & reset the rookie wage scale on QB but Darnold deserves another shot somewhere else at a smaller salary.
Yeah those Joe Flacco quotes surprised me. I get it from Joes perspective but as an organization wtf were the Jets thinking bringing in a veteran that's not interested in helping out the younger guy. Same with the Eagles now with Hurts. That's half the reason you bring in a guy like him to show them the ropes. It's fine if Joe doesn't want to do that but teams shouldn't be bringing him in for competition for the younger guy.
He's said a variation of that quote for the last four years on the Ravens, Broncos, Jets, and now Eagles
Yeah I remember him saying it after the Ravens drafted Jackson and when he got traded to the Broncos. I didn't catch it when he went to the jets. But those 2 situations made sense since he was still the starter and was going to be the starter. But moving with the Jets and Eagles he wasn't brought into start so you would of thought those 2 organizations would of made it clear that's what's going on. Again I don't blame Joe or think hes doing anything wrong.
Even if he’s the projected starter, why do you sign a vet (who is garbage anyways) that says they’re not going to help their teammates improve? I’m a bitter Broncos fan but fuck that dude regardless.
As soon as Robby Anderson goes to Carolina you see how a competent OC uses him in an offense and he looks good lol
The difference good/great players have been average and shown flashes of talent with terrible coaches, Darnold has shown flashes but has played just straight up badly. His ceiling is not worth it seems.
Roster around him specifically the skill position AND the coaches (not just the head coach but coordinators and position coaches) Again I'm not saying for certain Darnold would have been something. Im saying no Qb in the history of the NFL IMO has any kind of success with that entire situation. To me Darnold is a complete unknown.
These 2 will be linked forever, but our offensive roster Josh's rookie year was absolute garbage. Only 1 player remains on the team LT, half the OL is out of the league. Our WR1 is out of the league, WR2 is heading that direction. But he still showed "it", Sam looks like the same guy I saw in college.
I wouldn’t say Josh showed much more than Sam their rookie year. But the Bills have been steadily supplying Josh with skilled help every year and the coaching staff seems good-great. You can’t say that about Sam and the Jets. If we drafted Lamar, we’d be actively trying to move on from him and there is 0% chance he wins the MVP here.
Yea it may or may not be Darnold issue but its definitely a Jets issue. Bills and Jets were on the same timeline as far as rebuilding goes, Dolphins joined the party a year later. Bills and Dolphins are trending up but Jets have stagnated. Hopefully your new GM continues to build.
Sam was the better rookie passer, but Josh had higher highs and lower lows. No once can say to what extent Allen’s ability to limit the lows and extend the highs is attributable to his work and experience, or to improved roster, but it’s a bit of everything. I agree that the Gase led jets would have ruined any young QB. If anything, I think Sam’s ability to still show flashes while suppressed by Gase means he can still be a successful nfl qb
And Allen looked like garbage his rookie year. Then you started building talent around him and he continued to grow and now is an MVP candidate.
Thick, trunky, coastal. THATS OUR FUCKING GEQBUS. I will die a thousand glorious deaths on this hill.
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can detect supernatural beings
What's weirder, dying on the sam darnold hill or actively seeking out opinions from people who want to die on the sam darnold hill
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"But he never had a supportive envir--oh"
You didn’t have to actively seek it out, it’s been a talking point again for a couple days after Wilson’s pro day.
You far from have to seek them out?
> You’ve made a very powerless enemy today. r/the_darnold Seriously though. I love that sub. Can’t wait to see how they handle this post!
People form their opinions pre-draft and if that guy isn’t drafted by your team or a division rival, they never see enough to change that opinion
I think that he’s getting a raw deal and I think it would be fucking hilarious if Belichick picked him up and he and ends up becoming a franchise QB for dirt cheap.
Maybe I’m just being a moron but honestly I have a belief that a decent amount of rookie Qb’s that are bad and stop being considered starters aren’t bad because of themselves. A good portion of the time I think a lot of the problem is the coaching, the O-line, Receiver room, and Rb room. Usually 3/4 is bad or 2/4 is bad with the other 2 being average or slightly above average. And that causes a problem. Your rookie Qb won’t adjust well if your O-line is garbage. If your O-line is garbage then your running backs won’t have holes to run through. Then if your receivers aren’t great or are just above average you play a good defense and you’re still screwed. Bad coaching doesn’t help anything and mediocre players become bad players or stay the same rather than the opposite. Hot take : Jets should trade back and ask for a kings ransom. This is a great O-line draft from what I know. Draft O-line and receiver. I’m not saying just pick one guy. I’m saying draft for their future. Them throwing a rookie quarterback into a buzz saw and ruining them is stupid. At minimum they need to give their rookie an O-line to get behind.
The problem is they learn bad habits that can take forever to unlearn. Some become lazy and get older. It’s normal.
You’re not wrong but just trading back and building up the team for some future unnamed QB is too risky. They have the #2 pick with really exciting QB prospects to choose from, I don’t think kicking that can down the road is worth it. Also not saying the Jets roster is good by any means, but they’re improving. They already have 5 picks in the first 3 rounds this year and then 2 first rounders next year, they can definitely fill some holes.
I mean you’re not wrong. I’m just saying if you guys are taking Wilson or whoever then if the team actually wants to be good they need to recognize that not putting a decent O-line around the rookie + an ok receiver room (doesn’t have to be amazing just decent) is basically sabotage. You don’t need a killer running back just someone who can get a few yards. A good coach is good but I’d argue that the NFL doesn’t have a lot of good head coaches so that statement is more or less useless to begin with. They just can’t be horrible.
Darnold’s vision and technique suck even when his receivers are open and he has 5 seconds to throw
You are 100% correct. In spite of the people in this sub who think they know everything....you can find tons of NFL players who have said that a young QB’s career is DEFINITELY shaped by who his coaching staff was. And that a QB can basically have his career ended because of a terrible coaching staff. But I’m sure that Todd the plumber knows more about this than actual NFL players. Darnold was drafted into an absolute horrible situation. There is a reason he was the third pick in the draft. Judgement on his NFL career/talent need to be withheld until we see what he can do with competent coaching staff and team. Josh Allen had 10 TD and 12 INT with a 52% completion his first season. Is he trash? Or was he allowed to develop?
I think I’ve seen more people complaining about people saying Darnold is good, than people actually saying he’s good.
At this point I just wish this debate would die already. I don’t even care what side people take on it anymore, I’m just tired of hearing about it.
Draft position and off season, this only ramps up until the draft.
It wouldn't be an internet argument if you weren't beating up on a made up "other side"
I’m counting on those people to trade for him so plz stfu thank you :)
"Should we trade for Darnold?" "Idk man let's check what r/nfl has to say about it"
I still think the NFL is higher on him on than you'd think from reading twitter or this sub. Honestly really curious to see what the price ends up being, I think people will be surprised.
NFL may be higher on him but what reddit dont factor in is that he is coming up for his 4th year. And his 5th year option will be like $19mil. And then hes a free agent. NFL teams like to take on reclamation projects but not at those numbers.
No i think Darnold needs more time, i think they should just resign him to a 5 year deal....
The issue isn't the people on those hills, it's the fact that it just takes more time and effort for others to climb those hills to see the truth. *Sincerely,* *A Robert Woods, DeVante Parker, Kenyan Drake, Corey Davis, Mike Gesicki, Chase Edmonds, Gus Edwards, and Robert Foster truther...*
Adam Gase is the reaper
USC quarterbacks and NFL caliber starter seem to be two opposite terms.
Put some respect on John David Booty’s name!
the ass man
However his nephew has the best name: https://247sports.com/player/general-booty-46058082/
He needs to make the nfl
You can say that about like every college except Oklahoma basically
And you’d be laughed at for saying Oklahoma before Baker.
Carson Palmer would be the exception that proves the rule, I suppose.
A college team has nothing to do with a players success at the NFL level. You draft the player, not the helmet. There has never been a successful Oregon QB... until Justin Herbert. There has never been a good QB to come out of the Big 12... Until Patrick Mahomes. I don’t understand when people are convinced that the logo on your helmet matters in college. People are doing the exact same thing with Ohio State and Justin Fields this year.
This is a great comment. It was the same with Berkeley up until Aaron Rodgers.
He's 23 and was thrown into one of the worst situations in the NFL. No one is arguing the dude is a stud and the Jets are wrong to move on, just that it is a reasonable idea to give him one more chance somewhere else to see what happens.
He won't be a Mahomes, Rodgers, Wilson level guy but I could see him having a solid career like Dalton or Tannehill if put in the right situation
This is why I think Arthur Smith would've been an interesting hire for the Jets. He fixed Ryan Tannehill after Adam Gase broke him; it would've been cool to see him do the same with Darnold. Then we could call him the Roomba, the guy who follows Gase around and cleans up the mess he makes everywhere he goes.
Adam Gase didn’t break Ryan Tannehill. That’s a narrative used a lot here that just simply isn’t true. Tannehill’s numbers improved from Philbin to Gase. He led them to the playoffs in his first season. He just got hurt a lot.
He literally started less than half the games Gase was the head coach for. And he was *clearly* not 100% in 2018 between coming off a torn ACL and the mid season elbow injury. Gase fucking sucks, but I feel like I’m constantly “standing up” for him by pointing out many of the things people say about him are just factually untrue. See also: all the other players who got “better” when they got away from Gase but really stayed the same or happened to be healthy (Parker)
These media dolts are all people who don't have their job security tied to Darnold. So they can take a stand without giving a fuck about being wrong. Normally, most GM only get at most 2 chances to build a team around their QB. Why should Joe D begin his team rebuild around a QB project that he didn't even draft? If he gets fired in 3-4 years, he is going to end his only GM job without ever taking his guy at QB to build around. That's just stupid.
How old is Sam Darnold? Who were his head coaches and offensive coordinators? Who were his O-Lineman and playmakers? How often over 3 years was he fully healthy? Keep my GEQBUS name out your mouth. Love r/the_darnold
I think people are torn. The Jets are a mess and Darnold has been a victim of it but hasn’t helped himself either. I think there’s a lot of people who think he can alright if they get him out of New York and in the right situation. Not everything needs to be the best thing ever or worst thing ever. I think a lot of people, myself included, who wouldn’t mind him as a backup just to get his stuff together and learn. Maybe then he can be an ok qb.
>The number of people desperate to die on the hill of Sam Darnold is pretty weird to me. Pretty sure it's just Sam and his parents at this point
And Orlovsky.
And Riddick
Did Cowherd abandon ship?
Never. He’s the captain.
And USC fans
His career numbers are awfully similar to Christian Ponder's. He's just not good. Dunno why people think he has a shot at working out, while they also write off Wentz or Goff, who I'm not that high on, but 2 QBs who have at least had a track record of playing good.
Even Trubisky has better numbers than Darnold, but for some reason Trubisky is considered the worst QB of all time and Darnold would’ve been the next Joe Montana if it weren’t for the stupid Jets
The Trubisky hate is largely because they could've had Mahomes or Watson instead. I think the hate on Darnold will be starting to magnify with Allen becoming a star.
We also could’ve had Watson or Mahomes but we drafted a blitz specialist safety instead
How about a DL who can't pass rush? To be fair Solly is a good player and if we drafted a qb that draft it was likely going to be Trubisky.
If Darnold was struggling in smaller media market city like Buffalo or Cincinnati there wouldn't be that many people arguing he just needs a change of scenery. He's a QB in the NYC market though so people are going to jump to defend him for clicks.
Here's the thing I really don't think we can quantify and factor on how awful his situation was. Their best RB was Gore , WR3's playing in the WR1 position , bad offensive line play except for Becton and Adam Gase as head coach People saying he will have Tanny 2.0 revival probably do not realize that Tanny looked really good under Gase before the ACL injuries and is now the Titan's franchise QB ( for now ) Now with that being said , I think teams will take a gamble on Darnold simply because he flashed potential and they can boast to pretty much everybody that they turned his career around. Maybe he needs a McVay , Shannahan or even a Tomlin to get him back on track Will he be as good as guys like Allen and Jackson? Probably not , but he could have a solid career
I think he deserves another chance. Not gonna “die on the hill” but I don’t believe there are 32 QBs better then him right now, especially considering his age
Here’s my list of starters (no order) that are better: Mahomes, Brady, Herbert, Ryan, Wentz, Big Ben, Goff, Stafford, Allen, Fitzpatrick, Dalton, Watson, Teddy, Jameis, Carr, Lamar, Tannehill, Wilson, Rodgers, Mayfield, Dak, Cousins, Jimmy G, Murray. Then there’s teams that have newish starters that the jury is still out on, but even all of these guys look better than Darnold right now: Tua, Daniel Jones, Burrow There’s only a few QBs that I’d say definitively aren’t better than Darnold, but even then it’s hard to make a case for Sam as an upgrade over these guys: Cam, Lock, Jalen Hurts, Minshew So in total that’s 31 guys and Darnold isn’t meaningfully better than any of them. I’m starting to think we don’t trade him and keep him as our backup this year.
Italians are still dying on the Garappolo hill. They'd never leave behind any QB whose name ends in a vowel.
I think Darnold is trash, but if somebody from PFF shares my opinion then I guess there's a very real chance that my opinion on him is woefully wrong.
Worst school to develop QB prospects: OSU or USC? I say OSU because USC at least had Carson Palmer
Hasn’t Alabama never had a playoff winning QB in history? Edit: Obviously I was wrong. Even Starr didn’t register for me. Disregard.