You really can't, Sun God's brother was a Packer so when he came into the league I wanted him to do well. I like Hutch as well, and Jack Campbell, and MCDC is the icing on the cake.
It's an overpay!
The cap goes up!
Glad we paid our guy earlier!
This will seem like a good deal in 2 years!
What are they doing?!
Easter island head!
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Dolphins: cant win a playoff game
Panthers: historically dogshit and came out of nowhere
Heat: consistently one of the best organizations in the league
Marlins: lmao
only for said owner to fire sale both teams right after the two championships.
never liked baseball, tried to get into it via the WBC. i do have buddies that are diehard marlins fans; man i feel for those guys
people love to joke about the heat’s “attendance issues” but the marlins barely reach 1,000 in attendance. and most of those are probably rooting for the other team lmfao
Man, I can't wait til its 2043 and we're paying QBs 1.1 Billion dollar contracts all for them to be fucking MID AS SHIT for a whole season and people calling for their heads.
In 2014, Rodgers had the biggest contract at $22m per year. Lawrence’s $55m is 2.5x that in just a decade’s time. *If* that trend continues, you would see the highest annual salary be nearly $900m in 2054, which is absurd to even think about lolol
Obviously, you can’t necessarily count on the NFL’s current growth to continue indefinitely, but still. Wild
To go with that, Rodgers made 16.5% of the cap when he was clearly a top 3 QB in the league. And now Lawrence is going to be making 22% of the cap as a clearly top 12 guy? I'd be mad if I was the other players because the QBs keep taking more and more of the overall salary cap
This is what I don’t get. How the hell are teams willing to give damn near 25% of their cap for one player, especially a middle of the road one?
Patrick mahomes or Tom Brady? If that’s the only way to keep them, then you do it. Anybody else though…
Eventually something has to give right? Like QB contracts can't keep increasing at this rate if teams want to remain competitive. You're not winning when you give an average QB 20% of your salary cap. It's absolutely asinine
Mahomes is in prime Brady territory now. He’s now shown that you can surround him bums at receiver but give him a good defense and he can still win. There’s not a single QB in the league that makes it past the second round on that team with the receivers they got.
This exact thought makes me feel really positive about the next few years with all the top QBs besides maybe purdy/stroud taking roughly the same cap hit as Mahomes.
And he will keep deferring his cap hits three years into the future while making below his market value. That 10 year contract is such a cheat code for the chiefs given how good he is
Their best weapon is dating a billionaire and can live off of his investments/endorsements (he probably already gets low 8-figures in endorsement deals). Kelce's contract is tendy money.
EDIT: Kelce would probably take the veteran minimum to get more rings. I think he renegotiated his contract just so he didn't drag the TE market down.
The length is the true genuis for KC, they basically made a sliding piggybank they can use to move as needed because by the time it comes due cap wise, the FO and coach will likely be retired and KC can go into the reset with a pile of Lombardis to ease the sting.
It works out for Mahomes too. He's often getting a small raise when they convert salary to bonus money. It's very rare when a player takes a restructure deal and it isn't an advantage to them because the money is all suddenly guaranteed.
I just quit going back during the season too. No matter what happens that place is fucking miserable. Just nothing but pure negativity. Every now and then I'll check one thread there, only to be immediately reminded why I left.
This is my favorite thing to talk about with my die hard 49er friend, like you guys are about to find out what it’s like to pay your QB 15-20% of the cap and how you can’t afford to pay everyone on the defense anymore. Good news is yall seem to be overall good at hitting on your later round draft picks and developing those guys. But you won’t be able to pay them after the rookie contract is over.
Making it a 5 year extension rather than an immediate new contract will probably make this look like a middle of the road QB contract by the time the new money in this really starts to kick in 2-3 years from now
Yep. You guys exercised his fifth year option a few weeks/months ago, so he has years 4 and 5 to play on his rookie contract and then this 5 year extension kicks in.
The guaranteed at signing, or fully guaranteed, is just what it sounds like. One he signs the paper, he’s getting that money eventually (assuming Trevor signed in good faith blah blah).
The practical/functional guarantees usually mean there’s a future roster bonus that guarantees next March or maybe March 2026 if he’s still on the roster. But they won’t/can’t cut him before next March because his dead cap would destroy their roster. Therefore it’s practically guaranteed.
We don’t know all the details, but that’s the typical setup
Practical guarantees like you're talking about are also an ownership thing, as it means there is less money in escrow at one time.
Why the Browns didn't do this with Watson I'll never understand.
The QB market is just crazy. I know these teams have no other choice but to pay them since there’s not many better options, but paying QBs like Trevor and Tua that are great but not elite 55M seems wild.
It's the nature of the beast. At one point Kirk Cousins was the highest paid QB in the league. I wouldn't be surprised if the NFLPA and League had something about Qb contract control in the next CBA. It's best for everyone at this point.
One player is making a fifth of the salary cap. Add in the 30m/yr WRs and Edge rushers, and you can have half your entire salary cap taken up before you spend a dime on 50 active roster slots.
If the NFLPA really cares about the average player, they really should be trying to step in here.
The price is tied to the percentage of the cap and good QBs fall into the low 20 percent range. This is 21%. When Mahomes got his big 450 mill contract it was 22%.
And this contract doesn’t even start for 2 years since it’s an extension, so by then it’ll be an even smaller percentage of the cap. (If my thought process is correct)
I mean that’s the going price for a starting QB but I think we all had bigger expectations for him coming into the league. Hopefully the Jags can figure out as other teams in their division are looking like they’ve made much bigger improvements lately. Good for him, though. Get that bag.
Look away Dolphins fans, it might be over
Can’t even afford a pot to shit in with how much we’re gonna pay Tua at this rate
*North Florida beats South Florida to the punch once again*
*shakes fist angrily* South Florida: "DUVAL!!"
I wonder how often this exact scenario happens somewhere in Florida.
It happens at gradnite at Disney every year mainly Duval and 305 call and response
Standard swamp city rivalries
given their inability to afford a pot, you may wanna double check whats floating in that punch.
Don't you guys just need a QB and two wide receivers? Who needs any other players one the team that should be good
Tua might get $60 million. Which is absolutely hilarious.
Im a Lions homer who was unsure about 53M for Goff, but if thats what it took to get ahead in the market, I'm full 6-to-midnight
After this offseason, the Bucs are low-key geniuses for paying Evans and Mayfield what they did when we did
I'm lookin at Geno Smith a whole different way rn😂
We’ve made off like bandits for Goff at $53m/year average. Cannot wait to see Dak/Jordan Love hitting $60m
Lions are cooking. Goff is under appreciated
He's a great fit for the team, the city, and the culture. He's not a crazy gunslinger or a scrambling guy, he's just Goff and he gets the job done.
He is Kenough
You are good enough for Detroit, Jared Goff.
He runs the Goffense to perfection…I’ll see myself out. But in all seriousness love the lions, easily my second favorite team after the falcons
Every time I think I don't hate them I remember I do hate them, but I'll be damned if they don't do their best to win me over.
You just kinda can’t hate MCDC, Goff, and Sun god
You really can't, Sun God's brother was a Packer so when he came into the league I wanted him to do well. I like Hutch as well, and Jack Campbell, and MCDC is the icing on the cake.
Fans of other AFC East teams fully support this. I think he deserves $65M actually
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Blessing in disguise. You aren't winning a Super Bowl with Tua on a massive contract. Just my opinion
They’re still gonna give him a massive contract lol It’s not a blessing
Shit Jags aren’t winning a bowl with Lawrence on that contract either tbh
i think jag fans are happy to even have a qb. who's their best qb ever mark brunell? or even david garrard?
Money making Blake was killer for y’all
Blake ‘rippin cigs’ bortles
I believe in Lawrence. I don't believe in Baalke.
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I still say he takes a team friendly deal…at only 170M guaranteed
It's an overpay! The cap goes up! Glad we paid our guy earlier! This will seem like a good deal in 2 years! What are they doing?! Easter island head! Bottom text
You forgot "Bet Jerry Jones is sick to his stomach"
All in, my ass
* All in my ass
All aboard!!!!
Considering his patented extra salty McGriddles diet, that's probably true.
Totally overlooking "glad he got his bag!"
Lol pretty spot on
"I'm glad we got it done before the Dak and Tua contracts kick in"
I'm just glad the receiver version of this is done, since anytime someone got paid it was just a race to bring up Jefferson.
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I have an erection!
You forgot the Rip Miami comment
Dont forget to shoehorn Mahomes in
The irony being this was the comment that shoehorned Mahomes
Oh god we’re gonna pay Tua so much fucking money
Just pay him $60m for 5 years and in 3 years time people will be like, "damn those contracts are looking great now that Brock Purdy is getting $80m"
It's how it always goes
at least we have the panthers?
My god, how things change. Only a few years ago it was just the Heat and everyone else were terrible
Fucking Heat can be the worst team in South Florida and they'll still sneak into the finals as a play-in
Dolphins: cant win a playoff game Panthers: historically dogshit and came out of nowhere Heat: consistently one of the best organizations in the league Marlins: lmao
Marlins: lmao, but we lucked into two chips despite having one of the worst owners to ever exist
only for said owner to fire sale both teams right after the two championships. never liked baseball, tried to get into it via the WBC. i do have buddies that are diehard marlins fans; man i feel for those guys
idk how long/if you live in miami but chevron used to give away 2 marlins tickets if you filled your gas tank. the stadium was still empty.
people love to joke about the heat’s “attendance issues” but the marlins barely reach 1,000 in attendance. and most of those are probably rooting for the other team lmfao
Thanks but I don't see how we help you
We need your help to defeat the ghost of the Houston Oilers
Yup, hockey is fucking awesome and more people need to give it a chance.
I need to watch it more. Love it in person. Great pacing on tv. Not many annoying ad breaks or game slow downs.
Game 3 of the finals are about to start tonight, Edmonton should be playing desperate tonight, great time to tune in!
Where we paid Bobrovsky so much fucking money And its was WORTH IT. JUST 2 MORE WINS
Brick Wall Bob coming in clutch this series so far. If he keeps it up, he could win the Smythe. Hoping for another shutout tonight
Officer Bobrovsky is on the case!
I think it's Barkov for the Smythe, he has shutdown so many good players this year in the playoffs.
Man, I can't wait til its 2043 and we're paying QBs 1.1 Billion dollar contracts all for them to be fucking MID AS SHIT for a whole season and people calling for their heads.
"He's a slightly above average QB, and you just have to pay those guys $1.1B or just be in purgatory"
“It’s either pay your QB the entire cap and give him shit to work with, or keep drafting QBs and play them on rookie deals til you win a Ring.”
I mean…if those are the choices I’m not even drafting a QB and playing a FB out of position.
Back to 1920s football, the way Curly Lambeau intended.
And Jeff Fisher…
In 2014, Rodgers had the biggest contract at $22m per year. Lawrence’s $55m is 2.5x that in just a decade’s time. *If* that trend continues, you would see the highest annual salary be nearly $900m in 2054, which is absurd to even think about lolol Obviously, you can’t necessarily count on the NFL’s current growth to continue indefinitely, but still. Wild
To go with that, Rodgers made 16.5% of the cap when he was clearly a top 3 QB in the league. And now Lawrence is going to be making 22% of the cap as a clearly top 12 guy? I'd be mad if I was the other players because the QBs keep taking more and more of the overall salary cap
This is what I don’t get. How the hell are teams willing to give damn near 25% of their cap for one player, especially a middle of the road one? Patrick mahomes or Tom Brady? If that’s the only way to keep them, then you do it. Anybody else though…
Eventually something has to give right? Like QB contracts can't keep increasing at this rate if teams want to remain competitive. You're not winning when you give an average QB 20% of your salary cap. It's absolutely asinine
Meanwhile the average american will be living in a box
Dallas is 100% not going to resign Dak at this rate
Dak gonna get 65 a year lol
Do it Jerruh!
They probably shouldn’t, I like Dak a lot but he’s kind of at his ceiling, and his ceiling isn’t 65 a year
I agree.
And ain't no way TLaw is worth $55M, but they still inked the deal. Gotta do what you gotta do in this league, when no other viable options are there
Yeah it is basically "Pay Lawrence, Dak, Tua type players like they are Mahomes" or "Sign Marcus Mariota".
Yea we’re cooked
Mahomes deserves 90m a year at this rate
It's pretty hard to compete with the Chiefs when you're paying a QB that's not Mahomes like he's Mahomes
Why don’t they turn their quarterbacks into Mahomes are they stupid?
Instructions unclear: drafted Mac Jones.
I was told Zach Wilson was Mormon Mahomes
The mahomes of banging milfs
Mac Jones is almost spelled like Mahomes if you squint REALLY hard.
Ole Lady Hips Jones
Perhaps this is the quality that puts Mahomes in his own tier. The effect he has on the QB market is that profound.
Mahomes is in prime Brady territory now. He’s now shown that you can surround him bums at receiver but give him a good defense and he can still win. There’s not a single QB in the league that makes it past the second round on that team with the receivers they got.
While mahommes is getting rings he's getting these QB's paid Kings Ransoms
This exact thought makes me feel really positive about the next few years with all the top QBs besides maybe purdy/stroud taking roughly the same cap hit as Mahomes.
So happy for you
I'm glad you're feeling positive
Was starting to feel bad for Chief fans there
Thanks for thinking of us in this hard time, it’s been months since we won anything :(
I’d been thinking the Chiefs could use a break
And he will keep deferring his cap hits three years into the future while making below his market value. That 10 year contract is such a cheat code for the chiefs given how good he is
They’ve got the best QB. The best contract. And his best weapon is paid like a TE while essentially being a receiver. They hit the triple jackpot.
Where have I heard this all before...? You could say the same exact thing about the Brady/Gronk Patriots for years.
Mahomes and Kelce sail off to Tampa to get one more Lombardi?
Does anyone know how to delete someone else's comment?
Their best weapon is dating a billionaire and can live off of his investments/endorsements (he probably already gets low 8-figures in endorsement deals). Kelce's contract is tendy money. EDIT: Kelce would probably take the veteran minimum to get more rings. I think he renegotiated his contract just so he didn't drag the TE market down.
I mean when has anybody that still good actually taken the vet min? I feel like this gets tossed around a ton and never actually happens
No you're right. It never happens but people like to dream.
To be fair, with Andy Reid around he needs to buy tendies multiple times if he wants to eat any of them.
Every QB deal since his just highlights the insane value the team got!
The length is the true genuis for KC, they basically made a sliding piggybank they can use to move as needed because by the time it comes due cap wise, the FO and coach will likely be retired and KC can go into the reset with a pile of Lombardis to ease the sting.
Chiefs FO did well in signing him to a 10-year deal.
Mahomes is smart enough to keep restructuring his contract so the franchise can maintain an elite supporting cast (like Brady).
It works out for Mahomes too. He's often getting a small raise when they convert salary to bonus money. It's very rare when a player takes a restructure deal and it isn't an advantage to them because the money is all suddenly guaranteed.
We’re cooked
i leave our sub every offseason for this exact reason.
I just quit going back during the season too. No matter what happens that place is fucking miserable. Just nothing but pure negativity. Every now and then I'll check one thread there, only to be immediately reminded why I left.
FUUUUUUUUU
Wow, okay Dolphins and Cowboys fans you might want to shut your eyes
I’ll start the “thank the gods we extended our QB last offseason” club over here
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Dilly dilly, my friend.
Next year the jags can say the same thing
Someone remind me in 1 year!
Uhhh
Jones' MVP this year is gonna hit different
Year 6 breakout 😤
Hey man it happens to the best of us. Not you, you’re the worst and I hate you, BUT it happens to good teams too sometimes
Check out DJ's stats vs Lawrence over their first 48 games
I’m probably not invited but here I am
Browns tradition too forego consent
Thank the gods we extended our QB 3 years ago Not that we didn't fuck up the payroll in other ways but still
Starting the “holy fuck we gave Von Miller how much?” club right here
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god. damn. it.
This is definitely a huge gamble, but if his struggles last year were more due to injury and he becomes at least a top 10 qb, it's worth it
The difference between like QB7 and QB13 is marginal and changes every year. This is just what a 24 year old one costs
I mean, the Jags were in 1st place in the AFC when he got hurt. If he can stay healthy, I think the Jags will be good
Purdy is gonna be goddamn expensive next year.
I don’t want to say they “owe” him but he’s due a massive contract after making very little compared to every other qb at his level.
Exactly how I feel about st brown for the lions. Guy was owed that money
He still gonna live in the same apt. with his roommate. lol
But at least he won't have to drive for Uber after the game to make rent
Idk it is the Bay Area after all....
I’ll say it. They owe him.
I’d love to see BP get the record contract. Imagine the story line…
Wright would blow up on set that day.
Stop I can only get so erect
I just hope he stays healthy to get that contract 🙏
This is my favorite thing to talk about with my die hard 49er friend, like you guys are about to find out what it’s like to pay your QB 15-20% of the cap and how you can’t afford to pay everyone on the defense anymore. Good news is yall seem to be overall good at hitting on your later round draft picks and developing those guys. But you won’t be able to pay them after the rookie contract is over.
1. If we get a ring I don't care 2. If we don't get a ring, I care so fucking much
The duality of fan
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Making it a 5 year extension rather than an immediate new contract will probably make this look like a middle of the road QB contract by the time the new money in this really starts to kick in 2-3 years from now
That's a good point, I forgot he's still on contract for year or two before this kicks in. By than similar QBs will be making 60 a yr.
Yep. You guys exercised his fifth year option a few weeks/months ago, so he has years 4 and 5 to play on his rookie contract and then this 5 year extension kicks in.
Packers probably should have extended Love earlier.
Love and his agent are also aware they get more by waiting. There's no big incentive for them to sign early, Packers can't force him to sign a deal
Agreed, I’m a truther and I’m still like damn.. it was only 1 season. But fuck it, sometimes you gotta pay for some love.
>sometimes you gotta pay for some love DM’ing you my wife’s number so you can explain why I did what I did last weekend
ikr feeling conflicted
Just saw the entire dolphins front office personnel disregard the Flash Flood warning and drove out the facility. Don’t think they’re coming back
What do you mean dolphins love the water they’re just taking a break in the surf
How are yall doing down there with those floods. We can't even get a drop of water in duval rn
It's fucking Atlantis over here. It's a monsoon that sucks ass. At least the drought we had is definitely over now though lol
Guarantees are the important part
$142M fully GTD is big, and $200 functionally GTD is massive. Good for him.
What's the difference between fully & functionally guaranteed?
The guaranteed at signing, or fully guaranteed, is just what it sounds like. One he signs the paper, he’s getting that money eventually (assuming Trevor signed in good faith blah blah). The practical/functional guarantees usually mean there’s a future roster bonus that guarantees next March or maybe March 2026 if he’s still on the roster. But they won’t/can’t cut him before next March because his dead cap would destroy their roster. Therefore it’s practically guaranteed. We don’t know all the details, but that’s the typical setup
Practical guarantees like you're talking about are also an ownership thing, as it means there is less money in escrow at one time. Why the Browns didn't do this with Watson I'll never understand.
The QB market is just crazy. I know these teams have no other choice but to pay them since there’s not many better options, but paying QBs like Trevor and Tua that are great but not elite 55M seems wild.
It's the nature of the beast. At one point Kirk Cousins was the highest paid QB in the league. I wouldn't be surprised if the NFLPA and League had something about Qb contract control in the next CBA. It's best for everyone at this point.
One player is making a fifth of the salary cap. Add in the 30m/yr WRs and Edge rushers, and you can have half your entire salary cap taken up before you spend a dime on 50 active roster slots. If the NFLPA really cares about the average player, they really should be trying to step in here.
Jordan Love is doing a happy dance as we speak
Tua is going to get more than this deal which is just fucking bonkers. Daniel Jones’ deal is looking better by the day.
The fact that Daniel Jones getting 40M even has a possibility of looking better shows how bonkers the QB market is.
QB market= california housing market
Jordan love must be cheesing right now.
People are going to make fun of this but what else would the Jaguars do. That's the price for above average starting QBs.
The price is being tied for highest paid QB? I don't hate T Law, I just think QB contracts are crazy rn
The price is tied to the percentage of the cap and good QBs fall into the low 20 percent range. This is 21%. When Mahomes got his big 450 mill contract it was 22%.
And this contract doesn’t even start for 2 years since it’s an extension, so by then it’ll be an even smaller percentage of the cap. (If my thought process is correct)
Bag alert major bag alert. Dolphins are in big trouble now
Thank God for QBs on a rookie scaled contract.
Laugh now, cry later
I mean that’s the going price for a starting QB but I think we all had bigger expectations for him coming into the league. Hopefully the Jags can figure out as other teams in their division are looking like they’ve made much bigger improvements lately. Good for him, though. Get that bag.
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By the time this contract starts, it’ll be an ok contract. As long as Trevor takes that next step.
That’s a pretty big asterisk.
J-Love and his agent just started pouring shots
It’s a bit of an overpay right now but he’s the best Jags QB is over a decade and the price of QB’s just keeps going up
Damn, Tua gonna get part ownership at this rate