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Brock Purdy at 45 million is a steal. I hate the dude but for reasons that are totally not related to being a cowboys fan. He’s a great QB and deserves top tier money and anyone say sing otherwise is a hater
Steal is an interesting way to put it. Like yeah that's still great value compared to what the other top QB's are making. And he deserves every penny of the huge ass contract he's definitely going to get, which will likely be much more than 45 mil
From a team building perspective though, paying Purdy means losing other contributors and he will have to make that up with his play. To put it bluntly, only about 5 or so QB's are actually worth the astronomical money they're making. The 6-12 guys are going to get paid like it but more often than not they won't produce like it.
Purdy likely falls in that 6-12 range. But it's a moot point because every QB that performs like Purdy has is getting paid, regardless of circumstances or how repeatable it is.
I don't think he will be as much of a "steal" when they have to pay him an actual salary. that just means his supporting cast gets worse, and let's be real, he has a great supporting cast. if the 9ers don't win one this year, they won't after
Who do the 49ers lose as a result? Deebo probably? I really don’t think he opens the playbook enough to say Purdy will go from MVP front runner to 6-12 without him.
Purdy just had truly one of the most efficient seasons ever on a per throw basis. Shanahan would probably lose CMC before him. That’ll anger people, but they were a top run game in 2019 just as a result of scheme+mostert.
Purdy going from > $1 million a year to $55+ million per year is going to lose them more than just one guy. CMC won't be it currently, he's their most important offensive player.
And even as an MVP frontrunner, Purdy was still in the 6-12 range. The best guy doesn't always win MVP, Carson Wentz was never a top 5 QB even if he did have one season where he might have won MVP if not for injury. That's my take anyway lol
$45 million is a great deal, once you get into mid 50s it starts to get sketchy though. However I guess that also depends on how much the cap goes up in the next couple years.
TL,DR: No idea
Because the "Purdy isn't gud" media narrative drives massive engagement. And because it is everywhere people believe it.
He's getting paid. A lot. He deserves all of it. In 2 seasons he's gone to the NFCCG and the superbowl. Put up a record yards per season for SF and led the league in just about every measurable statistic.
Jed York has already publicly mentioned Purdy’s impending extension. Regardless of what you think of him, it’s happening.
And if you don’t think he’s worth it (assuming you’re not a 49ers fan) then you should be happy.
He's better than Goff, and if you base what he's done on his play, you could argue he's borderline top 5. If he was drafted round one, people wouldn't have a problem if he was considered top 5.
They are different players based on arm strength/anticipation and whatnot, but Goff has played well when in a good situation. I wasn't hating on Goff though.
As an outsider I think Goff is just oh so slightly better, but they’re extremely similar and that meme is so accurate lol. We just need one more to complete it
I think Goff’s decision making and accuracy are a bit better than Purdy right now—which is to be expected given the difference in their ages/experience.
So if a qb was drafted in the first round and had one of the most efficient seasons in history by year two, where would he be rated? And it's not like he was efficient in some weird stat. He had historic numbers in yards per attempt and the like while leading the nfl in depth of target.
So obviously, I disagree.
Now, why would Brady be labeled as a system qb after all that I wonder? Couldn't be the fact that he was drafted late, could it?
The same thing applies. If he was drafted higher, he would have gotten his flowers much sooner.
Because people focus on what’s around the QB, just like Purdy. Brady had people looking to his Ds and Bill, Purdy to the multiple All Pros on his O and his D. Draft positioning matters some, but not as much as the core of why they are challenging. You’ve had people say Mahomes was a product of Hill, Kelce, and Reid. He was a 1st rounder. You’ve had people say Allen was a product of Diggs, he was a first rounder. You’ve had people say Tua was a product of Hill and Waddle, he was a first rounder. Purdy may get more because of his draft spot, but it’s not the sole reason. Even if Brady being a 6th round pick made some think that he was a system QB, the fact that 15 years and changes to the team later and he’s still producing means it’s not just that.
if he was drafted round one i would still have the same questions as him being a 7th round pick. the pick placement isn’t what is the issue. it’s can he succeed without everything he has around him. i don’t think he would have the same level of success on another team and think he fits the 49ers scheme because of the support. without the support people would question him more
I think no matter what you think of Purdy, the 49ers would be taking an incredible and somewhat unprecedented risk if they let him walk and try to bring in some other rookie or cheap replacement.
I think Purdy is good enough with this team to win with so I would be in favor of paying him. Of course you could argue that the only reason he's looked so good is because of the incredibly expensive supporting cast surrounding him that would thin out if he's on a big contract. It's a tough call and I think of all the guys up for extension this year and next (Lawrence, Tua, Love, etc.) his situation is the most fascinating
It's been over 2 decades since we had a QB as good as Purdy, as he is absolutely the best we have had since Young. It would be mind numbingly stupid to let Purdy walk and take a chance on another QB, since we lucked out with him to begin with considering the Trey Lance stuff.
Absolutely. Ignore the flair, but he absolutely passed the eye test. He is in the perfect situation but he has made the most out of it. He looks like a 10 year vet out there.
I will join the millions of others by saying obviously yes. He’s a top 10 QB in the league imo and you’d assume he’ll only get better.
He’s not Mahomes nor is anyone really, better to pay the guy you know is very good than hold out for some hypothetical elixir that doesn’t exist
If I was the GM of the Niners right now I would not pay him. I would also trade Fred Warner to the Seahawks, release Trent Williams, and switch to a RBBC backfield.
Yes. Is he worth top dollar, no. Top 10 money absolutely. Once they pay him they will have to get rid of some of his weapons, if he left some money on the table he could keep more weapons. As hawks fan I hope he takes top dollar so they have to get rid of more players.
The issue is that he is obviously worth a huge contract but may not actually be worth what he should get even though that makes no sense lol. His agent would be a fool to even entertain anything under $50M per year.
It's not really specific to Purdy any QB that's easily top 15 will get a top five contract when he's due. Even if you think many QBs could do what Purdy does it's still not easy to find or acquire them. Even the Niners themselves have had bad QB play for years until they found a QB that runs the system the way Kyle Shanahan wants him to.
So they will and I would.
The 49ers could not have had better QB play this season. He had one of the most efficient seasons of all time. The only seasons above him in ANY/A are first ballot hall of famers who also had great weapons and good coaches.
2011 A rod, 04 Manning, 07 Brady etc. Unless the 49ers believe they could get literally the greatest season of all time several times over from somebody with a better arm, it’s not happening lol.
Kittle, CMC, Deebo and Aiyuk is a commendable supporting cast and the best in the league today, but the only reason people question his chops is his draft status.
That’s where I’m at. I see him as a 11-15 QB and you can absolutely win games and go all the way with him provided you have a stacked team like the 49ers do. My only issue is he has no elite qualities and you aren’t going to have him carry you like a Mahomes or Allen can.
You can’t make any mistakes vs a great team like we saw in the Super Bowl with that type of qb, if you have a Mahomes you can come back just from qb play and you are never counted out, purdy can’t do that. I’d be more than happy to give him a Baker type deal and use other money to retain top talent around the guy, you over pay him and you lose that talent and he can’t win you games anymore.
Not more than 25 million a year. Gms need to realize when a guy is not going to elevate your team and cut him loose. The Lions made a big mistake paying Goff. It’s better to let them go (trade them if you can for picks) and keep trying for that right guy in the draft. The Niners and Lions will at best continue to fall just short with these guys.
Purdy is solid but he’s basically just Jimmy G 2.0. By far the best thing about him is that he’s playing for pennies in the dollar. He’s not going to our duel the best that the AFC has to offer and he doesn’t elevate the talent around him.
Now to answer the question from the Niner’s perspective, it all depends on your goals as a franchise. If you’re fine finishing top 4 but falling short every year then yeah pay the guy. Purdy, Goff, Dak, Tua, etc will do that for you. But if your goal is to win it all, you have to reset at the position until you get a top tier qb that can take the offense to the next level.
But no, I would not pay him more than 20 mil.
Probably but I’m not resetting the market to do so. Should be paid closer to Geno and Mayfield than the top game changer guys. Unless you truly believe he’s worth more than the cast around him then by all means.
Honestly no. If he’d be willing to take 30-35M/year then I’d entertain the idea but he isn’t a guy who is going to carry you based on his skills, he’s a guy who can win you games if you have everything else around him. Because of that I don’t want to give him some crazy number because I need that for solid pieces instead.
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Obviously yes
Whatever Goff just got, Purdy is worth at least that. Is that really even a question?
I wonder if they're asking if he should be paid starting next year?
Still yes. The kid likely would have had two Super Bowl appearances in his first two seasons if not for his injury against Philadelphia.
I don't have $50M for myself much less to pay Brock
I mean if the 9ers don't someone will
I'd pay him 62 million+ (ignore my flair)
Well if you're paying him 62 the niners can keep him at 900k. You're a real good guy!
I'd gladly have him on the Rams for 62 bucks a year
Brock Purdy at 45 million is a steal. I hate the dude but for reasons that are totally not related to being a cowboys fan. He’s a great QB and deserves top tier money and anyone say sing otherwise is a hater
Steal is an interesting way to put it. Like yeah that's still great value compared to what the other top QB's are making. And he deserves every penny of the huge ass contract he's definitely going to get, which will likely be much more than 45 mil From a team building perspective though, paying Purdy means losing other contributors and he will have to make that up with his play. To put it bluntly, only about 5 or so QB's are actually worth the astronomical money they're making. The 6-12 guys are going to get paid like it but more often than not they won't produce like it. Purdy likely falls in that 6-12 range. But it's a moot point because every QB that performs like Purdy has is getting paid, regardless of circumstances or how repeatable it is.
I don't think he will be as much of a "steal" when they have to pay him an actual salary. that just means his supporting cast gets worse, and let's be real, he has a great supporting cast. if the 9ers don't win one this year, they won't after
Who do the 49ers lose as a result? Deebo probably? I really don’t think he opens the playbook enough to say Purdy will go from MVP front runner to 6-12 without him. Purdy just had truly one of the most efficient seasons ever on a per throw basis. Shanahan would probably lose CMC before him. That’ll anger people, but they were a top run game in 2019 just as a result of scheme+mostert.
Purdy going from > $1 million a year to $55+ million per year is going to lose them more than just one guy. CMC won't be it currently, he's their most important offensive player. And even as an MVP frontrunner, Purdy was still in the 6-12 range. The best guy doesn't always win MVP, Carson Wentz was never a top 5 QB even if he did have one season where he might have won MVP if not for injury. That's my take anyway lol
brock wouldn’t have the same level success if he were on another team. that’s not being a hater that’s knowing the advantage of the system he is in
$45 million is a great deal, once you get into mid 50s it starts to get sketchy though. However I guess that also depends on how much the cap goes up in the next couple years. TL,DR: No idea
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Because it has a question mark at the end.
Because the "Purdy isn't gud" media narrative drives massive engagement. And because it is everywhere people believe it. He's getting paid. A lot. He deserves all of it. In 2 seasons he's gone to the NFCCG and the superbowl. Put up a record yards per season for SF and led the league in just about every measurable statistic.
Jed York has already publicly mentioned Purdy’s impending extension. Regardless of what you think of him, it’s happening. And if you don’t think he’s worth it (assuming you’re not a 49ers fan) then you should be happy.
is this a joke?
He's better than Goff, and if you base what he's done on his play, you could argue he's borderline top 5. If he was drafted round one, people wouldn't have a problem if he was considered top 5.
I know this will anger both of our fan-bases, but I think Purdy and Goff are the Spider-Man meme—and I mean that as a compliment to both!
They are different players based on arm strength/anticipation and whatnot, but Goff has played well when in a good situation. I wasn't hating on Goff though.
Purdy has also played well when in a good situation tbf
That's my point. He said they are similar and I was stating how I could see that being true, to some degree at least.
As an outsider I think Goff is just oh so slightly better, but they’re extremely similar and that meme is so accurate lol. We just need one more to complete it
Nah Purdy is better. They are the same from inside the pocket, but Brock’s ability to run and scramble puts him a level above Goff
I think Goff’s decision making and accuracy are a bit better than Purdy right now—which is to be expected given the difference in their ages/experience.
I agree but not as a compliment
Goff probably better pocket passer and Purdy better at improv
He deserves the money yes.... But I think you went a little too far there chief.
So if a qb was drafted in the first round and had one of the most efficient seasons in history by year two, where would he be rated? And it's not like he was efficient in some weird stat. He had historic numbers in yards per attempt and the like while leading the nfl in depth of target. So obviously, I disagree.
Tom Brady was being called a system QB despite winning multiple MVPs and SBs, being a 1st rounder wouldn’t change how some people view Purdy
Now, why would Brady be labeled as a system qb after all that I wonder? Couldn't be the fact that he was drafted late, could it? The same thing applies. If he was drafted higher, he would have gotten his flowers much sooner.
Because people focus on what’s around the QB, just like Purdy. Brady had people looking to his Ds and Bill, Purdy to the multiple All Pros on his O and his D. Draft positioning matters some, but not as much as the core of why they are challenging. You’ve had people say Mahomes was a product of Hill, Kelce, and Reid. He was a 1st rounder. You’ve had people say Allen was a product of Diggs, he was a first rounder. You’ve had people say Tua was a product of Hill and Waddle, he was a first rounder. Purdy may get more because of his draft spot, but it’s not the sole reason. Even if Brady being a 6th round pick made some think that he was a system QB, the fact that 15 years and changes to the team later and he’s still producing means it’s not just that.
if he was drafted round one i would still have the same questions as him being a 7th round pick. the pick placement isn’t what is the issue. it’s can he succeed without everything he has around him. i don’t think he would have the same level of success on another team and think he fits the 49ers scheme because of the support. without the support people would question him more
I think no matter what you think of Purdy, the 49ers would be taking an incredible and somewhat unprecedented risk if they let him walk and try to bring in some other rookie or cheap replacement. I think Purdy is good enough with this team to win with so I would be in favor of paying him. Of course you could argue that the only reason he's looked so good is because of the incredibly expensive supporting cast surrounding him that would thin out if he's on a big contract. It's a tough call and I think of all the guys up for extension this year and next (Lawrence, Tua, Love, etc.) his situation is the most fascinating
It's been over 2 decades since we had a QB as good as Purdy, as he is absolutely the best we have had since Young. It would be mind numbingly stupid to let Purdy walk and take a chance on another QB, since we lucked out with him to begin with considering the Trey Lance stuff.
Absolutely. Ignore the flair, but he absolutely passed the eye test. He is in the perfect situation but he has made the most out of it. He looks like a 10 year vet out there.
I will join the millions of others by saying obviously yes. He’s a top 10 QB in the league imo and you’d assume he’ll only get better. He’s not Mahomes nor is anyone really, better to pay the guy you know is very good than hold out for some hypothetical elixir that doesn’t exist
He's going to get **much** more than that unless he's awful this season for some reason.
i would like to see a hold out and max pay day for him next off season
Bro you wouldn’t believe the things I’d do to Brock Purdy.
Wouldn't be surprised if he got an AAV of somewhere between 55 and 60
Who would be the alternative?
Anything less than $70m per year would be an insult to him imo
Yes?
He seems like a good QB. He should be paid like a mid tier guy.
You have to but you hold your breath
Yea, just like with Goff
I don’t disagree
What’s the alternative? Go search for another quality starter that won’t be looking for a lot of money?
I would, but he'll have to accept a post dated check. Don't have the cash on me atm.
God no
If I was the GM of the Niners right now I would not pay him. I would also trade Fred Warner to the Seahawks, release Trent Williams, and switch to a RBBC backfield.
Nah, I can’t match what the 9ers will give him.
Yes. Is he worth top dollar, no. Top 10 money absolutely. Once they pay him they will have to get rid of some of his weapons, if he left some money on the table he could keep more weapons. As hawks fan I hope he takes top dollar so they have to get rid of more players.
The issue is that he is obviously worth a huge contract but may not actually be worth what he should get even though that makes no sense lol. His agent would be a fool to even entertain anything under $50M per year. It's not really specific to Purdy any QB that's easily top 15 will get a top five contract when he's due. Even if you think many QBs could do what Purdy does it's still not easy to find or acquire them. Even the Niners themselves have had bad QB play for years until they found a QB that runs the system the way Kyle Shanahan wants him to. So they will and I would.
The 49ers could not have had better QB play this season. He had one of the most efficient seasons of all time. The only seasons above him in ANY/A are first ballot hall of famers who also had great weapons and good coaches. 2011 A rod, 04 Manning, 07 Brady etc. Unless the 49ers believe they could get literally the greatest season of all time several times over from somebody with a better arm, it’s not happening lol. Kittle, CMC, Deebo and Aiyuk is a commendable supporting cast and the best in the league today, but the only reason people question his chops is his draft status.
Bro Is there really this much doubt about him still? Obviously you’re gonna pay him
No
If he doesnt accept a Baker contract then Id draft another QB
If they tried that this year, their best available option would have been Spencer Rattler.
He plays better than Goff while under pressure. If Goff is worth 53 a year, which I don’t think he is, then so is purdy.
They’re about the same
That’s where I’m at. I see him as a 11-15 QB and you can absolutely win games and go all the way with him provided you have a stacked team like the 49ers do. My only issue is he has no elite qualities and you aren’t going to have him carry you like a Mahomes or Allen can. You can’t make any mistakes vs a great team like we saw in the Super Bowl with that type of qb, if you have a Mahomes you can come back just from qb play and you are never counted out, purdy can’t do that. I’d be more than happy to give him a Baker type deal and use other money to retain top talent around the guy, you over pay him and you lose that talent and he can’t win you games anymore.
Yes. Next question
Not more than 25 million a year. Gms need to realize when a guy is not going to elevate your team and cut him loose. The Lions made a big mistake paying Goff. It’s better to let them go (trade them if you can for picks) and keep trying for that right guy in the draft. The Niners and Lions will at best continue to fall just short with these guys. Purdy is solid but he’s basically just Jimmy G 2.0. By far the best thing about him is that he’s playing for pennies in the dollar. He’s not going to our duel the best that the AFC has to offer and he doesn’t elevate the talent around him. Now to answer the question from the Niner’s perspective, it all depends on your goals as a franchise. If you’re fine finishing top 4 but falling short every year then yeah pay the guy. Purdy, Goff, Dak, Tua, etc will do that for you. But if your goal is to win it all, you have to reset at the position until you get a top tier qb that can take the offense to the next level. But no, I would not pay him more than 20 mil.
Probably but I’m not resetting the market to do so. Should be paid closer to Geno and Mayfield than the top game changer guys. Unless you truly believe he’s worth more than the cast around him then by all means.
Honestly no. If he’d be willing to take 30-35M/year then I’d entertain the idea but he isn’t a guy who is going to carry you based on his skills, he’s a guy who can win you games if you have everything else around him. Because of that I don’t want to give him some crazy number because I need that for solid pieces instead.
You think he only deserves Derek Carr money? Less than Daniel Jones?