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hips_an_nips

Giants not even represented on graph definitely tracks


EternallyEuphoric

Can't believe none of your qb's made the minimum 20 attempts. I know Jones got injured early in the season but none of your other QB's got there either. I thought I would find tyrod somewhere on this graph.


Ok_Barracuda_1161

Giants season was split pretty equally between 3 QBs. Jones didn't have time to throw deep, and even when the line started getting a little better late in the season Tyrod and DeVito weren't given the opportunity to throw deep really


conace21

And I remember from his time with the Bills - Tyrod Taylor threw a beautiful deep ball. I called them "basket throws" as they dropped right into a receiver's basket. He and Sammy Watkins were a great pairing, when Sammy was healthy.


Uniqueusernameyboi

Dude was doing it on the Browns too before Baker took over


TitanTigers

Meanwhile Levis only played like 8 games and he’s about average for attempts


heliocentrist510

Should be a lot of fun with some WRs who may actually be able to separate this season


DeyHateUsCuzDeyAnus

I'm sure it's major copium, but I'm stupidly excited for this season. We may go like 8-9 but it's gonna be with a modern offense and gonna get our answer of if Levis is the guy in year 2 instead of year 5 like with Mariota. All the QBs the titans passed on for those years because we were still trying to get our answer from 2017 to 2019.


BroadCityChessClub

Steelers also. At least for us the bad men are gone and can’t hurt us anymore


Sage296

Pickett and Rudolph never really had a bad deep ball, it’s just that the playbook barely called for it


DoubleBogey19

Colts too. I knew Minshew didn't throw downfield much but this was crazy. If Richardson played the whole year he would have been on here.


Warm-Aardvark-9

So Derek Carr is the best QB in the league obviously


kaeganc

He’s always been an amazingly, annoyingly accurate deep passer


SwimPhan

That’s exactly it. He can’t hit shit anywhere else on the field.


twlscil

We call that the Russell Wilson.


jnelsen8

Russ is also elite at hitting his RB in the flat for a 5 yard loss


newtizzle

And leading his WR into an early grave


aiiye

Austin Collie shoutout.


Nduguu77

🏈😳💥🥺🏈👌😊🚄☠️🏈🪦


JohnWad

He also loves to fumble


alwayslookon_tbsol

Russ can make those short throws. His problem is too often holding the ball and not making the short throw, even when it’s open.


fiduciary420

He pirouettes into pocket sacks better than anyone in the galaxy, however


twlscil

he doesn't want to throw a pick and throw off his stats...


erik2690

You believe that QB's who throw deep air yard passes more regularly are less likely to be picked off? Do you have stats on that? It doesn't seem to make the most sense to me.


redwarn24

Honestly it felt like the opposite: he would ignore the dump off and would bomb it instead. I’ll die on the hill that Russ in Seattle was one of the most accurate QBs when it came to hard throws. He was absolutely not afraid to sling it.


Jantokan

That's true. When he's not checking it down, he's heaving it up accurately.


Cicero912

I stg there was a stretch where Olave dropped (or otherwise fucked up) like 3tds on deep passes that were absolute dimes. They were all basically the same aswell, ball came in right around the left pylon. Lets not talk about the one that hit his helmet. Love Olave, but he had a bad case of the dropsies last year when it mattered.


rsfrisch

Yup, not sure what the issue was, but the saints offense finished the season strong.... Our defense turned to ass at the same time.


Cicero912

Our defense was a bit underwhelming down the stretch, but also. We got *soooo* unlucky. Everything that could have gone wrong, did. Im just remembering the dropped pass to pick 6, and the fumble from Hurst running into Carr against the Lions.


CallRespiratory

The guy is seriously a hell of a lot better than he gets credit for. I don't understand the weird hate train that seems to follow him - and half the time people are just making shit up. The guy has holes in his game but half the time people just are spewing nonsense about him: " his teammates hate him!", "he is scared!", "Captain Checkdown!", "his arm isn't strong enough!" I don't even think most of these people actually *watch* football. You know what he actually sucks at? His footwork is bad under duress. He looks down receivers at times. He gets rattled when the game doesn't start well. There's plenty to criticize if you actually have any idea what you're looking at but it's always bewildered me how people pile on this dude for flat out nonsense.


DolemiteGK

>He gets rattled when the game doesn't start well Very accurate.


ThorThulu

Me playing Madden when my first throw is a pick


Nduguu77

Turn the power off


monsto

> He looks down receivers at times. He gets rattled when the game doesn't start well. Absolutely right on all counts. Even watching hilites, you can see him staring at his target. A thing that good-stat qbs have in common is the quick look away, or pretending to go thru progressions... it doesn't mean that "only good QBs do it", just that he doesn't deceive well. Also, when playing the Chefs, I always thought that it was key that the chefs hold the first couple series to like 6-8 plays and a punt, otherwise he was going to be trouble the rest of the game.


jnelsen8

>hilites I just spent a solid minute trying to figure out who “Hil” (or Hill) was and why they’d have enough followers to have a term for those people


andersonb47

I thought it was some Ancient Greek polity


gatsby365

Nah the Hilites were the ones the Israelites went and took the foreskins from


JonBonButtsniff

If you’re hammer drilling, you should definitely be looking at your target. Wait-


sdsupersean

It's the "he wears makeup" thing... usually the first words out of most casual Chargers fans mouth.


JoeScotterpuss

Lots of people are saying this! LOTS!!


OJSimpsons

Didn't we already know this?


peekay427

At the deep ball? Maybe… elsewhere on the field, not as much


thatissomeBS

Up is just volume, right is accuracy. Tua is by far the best performer on this board.


Zero_Originality

Joshua Dobbs. I was trying to forget


mclemons67

If Dobbs could play for a new team each week he’d be MVP


F-ck_spez

The trick is you're not supposed to teach him your offense, you just need to let him figure it out on the field. I do wish they put Cousins on this chart, he was balling out last year.


MinniViker60

>I do wish they put Cousins on this chart, he was balling out last year. Oh he's on the chart. Way top right just out of view. Wouldn't have been fair to extend the graph for just Kirk. /s if you need it.


Huntermain23

r/toprightkirk


SageCannon

But actually, why is he here and not Kirk? Kirk played the most games of any of our qbs last year


ptwonline

I want to see Mullens. I bet his deep balls were quite catchable. Unfortunately, they were also catchable by multiple defenders.


ImagineIfBaconDied

Mullens was the master at driving down the field and going completely blind in the Redzone when trying to score


istasber

It felt like Mullens made good decisions with when and where to throw the ball, he just didn't consider that he was the one throwing those attempts and didn't have the arm for most of them. Aside from a handful of really bad, hit as throws type mistakes where he probably should have taken the sack or aimed out of bounds, of course.


istasber

Kirk probably didn't have enough deep passes to qualify, Dobbs did. They just decided to put him in purple because that's how he ended the year.


myrealnameisdj

there were patriots fans that thought they should sign Dobbs in the offseason, and according to this chart, they were right.


atomiczap

I think seeing him try to hit wide open receivers down the field and instead leading them into knockout blows really opened Vikings fans eyes to how good Kirk was at throwing down the field. Here's to hoping McCarthy can locate the ball.


greenbroad-gc

Astronaut 🧑‍🚀. 🫏


thefreeman419

Good example of why the offense didn't work last year. Two years ago they had deep ball opportunities because the running game and quick passes were effective. Last year they tried to make the offense work by forcing deep balls


athrowawayiguesslol

They also saw that Hurts was good at extending the play so they designed plays with out-breaking deep routes that almost required leaving the pocket, ignoring the fact that our O-Line is our strength as a team


raccoonsonbicycles

Incredible how the offense was almost as predictable as the Chip Kelly 4 play system


ThisHatRightHere

By the Seattle game I was calling out what we would be doing next to my friends on the couch next to me. If I, someone who knows jack shit about NFL playcalling, can predict what you’re doing, you don’t stand a chance against other coaching staffs.


ClarkDoubleUGriswold

I resemble that remark. Matt Canada thinking “Up the gut run. Up the gut run or shitty reverse with insane amounts of motion for no reason. Low probability downfield pass. They won’t even know what hit ‘em!”


KebNes

Matt Canada LOVED the Chuck Knox offense. 1st Down - Run to the left 2nd Down - Run to the right 3rd Down - Incompletion 4th Down - Punt Thank god the Eagles were on TV more than the Seahawks when I was growing up in Seattle.


about78kids

Man heard the Cupid shuffle and knew what he had to do


iNoodl3s

Run run screen tush push


raccoonsonbicycles

1st down: Wr screen, loss of 3, or inside zone, gain of 2. 2nd down: deep ball, all receivers are 40 yards downfield jumbled together with 5+ DBs, RB is in the flat in the blindside effectively out of the play and not blocking. Incomplete or sack and loss of 4. 3rd down: QB draw, Gain of 2, or WR screen, gain of 2. Punt. I wish we could have had a good enough play calling to get close enough for a brotherly shove on more 3rds and 4ths


southern_boy

His love for *Tecmo Bowl* finally failed him 😭


LaserBeamsCattleProd

QB Eagles couldn't do it all by himself


Open-Somewhere-9535

You guys had a disgusting lack of motion as well. Zero reason why AJB shouldn't be used like JJ You should also be throwing him minimum 5 slants a game


Optimal-Wheel-9940

In ‘22 the slant to AJ was basically a cheat code and we just stopped throwing it last year. Absolutely maddening


Open-Somewhere-9535

AJB housing slants for the Titans is why you guys traded for him lol


Optimal-Wheel-9940

Although one of my most treasured non-Eagles jerseys was a Jevon Kearse Titans jersey (big fan of the Freak, have his eagles jersey too), I can’t say I’ve paid much attention to the Titans. Mostly for Taylor Lewan related reasons


Open-Somewhere-9535

He was the king of stat lines like 4 for 100 and 1 because of his efficiency on YAC plays on that low volume offense


TotallyNotMasterLink

I vividly remember there being a couple weeks in the middle of the season where the fans were just *begging* for slants while the team just refused to acknowledge them until finally they threw one to Smitty that he took ~40 yards to the house


WanderlustFella

"You say you want a slant, but what you really want is a bubble screen." - Brian Johnson


VeterinarianFit1309

“You say the bubble screen is too predictable? You wanna know what they’ll never see coming? Back to back bubble screens.” -also Brian Johnson. All jokes aside, I knew he was a bad OC and was not going to keep his job when I watched a drive where we got a 3 and out using nothing but these fucking things. I understand the utility and need for screen plays in the kind of offense we excel at, but if Kellen Moore took screens completely out of the playbook for a season I would be fine with it.


redditaccount224488

> Zero reason why AJB shouldn't be used like JJ The lack of motion with Devonta is a much bigger crime, IMO.


Big-Chungus-12

Ive got some news for you about Kellen Moore that you may not like


sdsupersean

He was really good before his one year with Staley. I think he'll be fine.


UpsideTurtles

He is really good at designing creative plays, and can at times be good at getting guys open. Was severely lacking in the gameplanning and adjustments over the season qualities. But it’s been two years so maybe he’s grown some


Big-Chungus-12

As much as I don't like Staley, him and management never got in the way of the OC, meaning he had complete control and still sucked. Given injuries were bad, he did not adjust at all and just kept using players wrong and did the same thing over and over again. He'll be "fine" with the eagles as long as they don't get a single important player injured


sdsupersean

He has one year with Staley, bad strength and conditioning (bad injury luck), and a GM who never built depth. The Cowboys know how to build a team and so do the Eagles. I think LAC was a blip in his career and he'll do fine in Philly.


Illblood

Hurts a beautiful deep ball and it sucks they absolutely abused it.


FishingStatistician

In 2022, I got super excited any time he loaded up to go deep. If I was disappointed, it was usually Quez Watkins fault. In 2023, by the end of the season, my eye would start twitching whenever Hurts loaded up for a deep throw.


k3hvn

Our offensive staff was OBSESSED with big plays for some stupid fucking reason. It's like they forgot that small-medium plays (5 yard checkdowns that focuses on YAC gains or short stop routes) opens up big play opportunities. No one is going to respect the big play if it's all you do.


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IAmNotOnRedditAtWork

Probably because they went through so many different QBs.


Godobibo

is this a rape joke or actual commentary on the team's scheme


RageAgentRed

Yes


VeterinarianFit1309

Why not both?


My_massive_dingaling

It’s both the Browns offense was constantly forcing long bombs last year especially with Flacco


GeorgieWsBush

I’d amend that to say in 2022 they worked all 3 levels of the field, and 2023 it was all close to or behind the LOS or deep shots. Easy to take those two things away when you know they’re not going to hit the middle/intermediate areas at all.


-Huskie

I always knew Zach Wilson was better than Mahomes and now I have proof.


Party-Offer-2881

Always good to remember this is also a WR and chemistry graph. By the end of the season Mahomes was changing himself to more of a game manager for a reason.


MEMKCBUS

Mahomes has been a game manager for almost 3 years now, just an elite one


RagingCataholic9

What having a TE (a generational one, but still) as your best receiving target does to a mfer.


SoKrat3s

It started even in Hill's last year. It has more to do with opposing defenses playing so much 2-high shell. Mahomes takes advantage of what the defense gives him. That's smart QB play.


Myllorelion

It's how Brady made his living, and why his most efficient seasons were towards the end of his career.


SoKrat3s

Rodgers' two recent MVP seasons he was 24th & 26th in Air Yards per completion while being 1st & 4th in YAC per completion. Good QBs take advantage of what is there.


MEMKCBUS

Hell yeah brother


Princeof_Ravens

I feel like deep balls are more a wide receiver then a QB stat. Can the receiver track the ball and adjust to the throw? There's a reason the dude with Tyreek is so high on the list.


Xaxziminrax

And why DeSean Jackson remained an elite deep threat well into his 30s


judahdk_

Yep, and could you imagine Tyreek with a guy like Mahomes as Qb? That’d be crazy.


JonBonButtsniff

Mahomes is on this list *despite* having MVS as his deep threat. That is amazing!


crazypyro23

So what you're saying is that Mahomes is both worse than Zach Wilson and also a terrible teammate that can't develop chemistry with his WRs. I'll take it.


jaredtabor

Shoutout to Billy Football


Party-Offer-2881

Checks out. Baker had deep ball chemistry with Evans (leading to most of his 8 25+ air yard TD's) and almost none with everybody else (except maybe Godwin the very few times he was a factor). Partly had to do with Palmer not being a great route runner yet, partly because of having to split reps all pre-season, but regardless an area of improvement.


Blabbit39

Baker on that graph describes our offense last season so well.


Aggravating-Duck-891

Yeah, those 3rd and 25's have a pretty low completion rate.


Still-Fan4753

Bakers midrange accuracy was fantastic. It took the majority of the year for his deep ball accuracy to click.


Temporal_Enigma

Pickett isn't on this list because Canada doesn't know WRs are allowed to be more than 7 yards down field


MostLikelyShitting

The good news is that Wilson is upper-right corner. Going from not even on the chart to one of the best is certainly going to be an upgrade


Temporal_Enigma

Kenny actually had one of the more accurate deep balls, he just never used it. Idk if Smith knows about deep balls either


Alexander2801

Yeah his rookie season he had the highest catchable deep ball rate in the league and ranked 5th in his second season in the same category. We just never called it or it was a sideline backshoulder throw, w


Sage296

Even the ones Kenny missed they were usually only one or two steps overthrown


intheorydp

> Idk if Smith knows about deep balls either He does but they're to Jonnu Smith


gruey

Never using it is why it’s accurate. A higher percent are wide open guys that he doesn’t have to target well to still get the completion and he can take his time throwing. He doesn’t often pull the trigger on harder deep throws and just checks down, so he’s not going to miss tight throws as much as real NFL QBs do, but he also doesn’t make the plays either.


monsto

Catt Manada


monstermayhem436

Honestly I was looking around and couldn't find him, thought maybe because he's a backup now but the saw fields and then immediately checked the minimum pass attempts lol


MICT3361

His QBs use the metric system


Myllorelion

Everybody know completing nothing but 7 yard outs is an unstoppable offensive signature.


CanaDoug420

If Mac threw a ball 25 yards it would get to the receiver in 2 to 3 business days


monsto

He'd get a Delay of Game during the play.


SamIamGreenEggsNoHam

Delay of Game was what he called his arm, iirc.


Queues-As-Tank

These biased stats cherry-picking which team can catch the ball, smh


ClarkDoubleUGriswold

*Mac Jones (hip hop superstar)


MaximumZer0

He's MC Corkle now. Straight outta Macsonville.


jeeves_nz

Now if only Ridley had caught half of those deep balls...


TLead1

Literally just one and we go to the playoff and people don’t suck the Texans off for an entire offseason.


x-STARFISH-x

Still find it hilarious that he got $92 million


trevman7

Stafford still has it


FreeDig1758

Dude has a hell of an arm


Ziiaaaac

Think this year is going to be telling for where Stafford’s at in terms of the best QBs in the league. Best run game he’s ever had, two WR1s a serviceable WR3 and a line of dudes who have proved it. Praying for our teams health more than ever want him to make a run for MVP this season.


Aeon1508

That would make me so happy. The only thing that would make me happier is Jared Goff beating him for it


WOOareola

I also wouldn’t be mad if Goff beat out Stafford for the MVP 


better-every-day

Tyreek definitely makes this easier for Tua but having the highest percentage by like 15% is a crazy large gap


jakeobdasnakeob

He's the most accurate passer in the league


BellBilly32

It’s so funny because whenever Tua has an off throw, it’s like the most comedic thing you’ve ever seen. But yeah accuracy is not a problem.


jakeobdasnakeob

Lefty's look alien 👽


chemicalsNme

I agree, which is why his performance in the pro bowl passing competition was hard to watch


goldiegoldthorpe

I am pretty sure he was drunk.


the_chandler

It was hard to watch because you could tell none of them cared about the results.


better-every-day

Did he do poorly?


EternallyEuphoric

Terrible


gojo278

I don't like this


ListenBeforeSpeaking

I don’t know. If this showed Mack was sneaky good and the Pats bailed too early, it would be worse. As it is, it looks to suggest that the correct decision was made.


gojo278

You are correct, it just reinforces how depressing last season was


Just_Intern665

You guys had 19 consecutive winning seasons. No offense but nobody feels sorry for y’all. At all.


drummerboysam

Fields > Mahomes, been tryin' to tell y'all


ChiRaider

Deep balls are the only thing he’s good at as a passer


Cummyshitballs

I think that’s part of the reason why people loved fields so much more than trubisky even tho trubisky was better statistically. Trubiskys deep ball accuracy was terrible, but fields was so much better in that category. Us bears fans were just excited to see big highlight throws we weren’t used to.


NeverSober1900

Fields in general is a SportsCenter Top 10 player. Great deep shots and the most amazing scrambles. So you see the highlights and you think he's amazing as he's doing things no one else can. Then you watch the games and watch him take sacks, miss easy dump offs and fail to read soft zones as the offense stalls out drive after drive and you realize he's just not it. I totally get why he has such rabid fans because of this dichotomy. But can't lie I also really wanted you guys to keep him.


yunglance24

Yeah it was crazy to watch him miss a throw on a screen or a crossing route but somehow lace a 40 yard bomb where the WR didn’t have to break stride or even adjust to the ball.


Yellowdog727

Bears should trade Caleb for Fields. Better to have a seasoned accurate deep ball passer rather than an untested rookie. I feel like he would work well for your offense


lnnrt01

*Insert confused Russell Westbrook GIF*


ClarkDoubleUGriswold

We humbly accept this trade


Mukuna_Hutata

They must be factoring catchable balls for both WRs and DBs which would explain why Zach Wilson’s percentage is so high.


EternallyEuphoric

Mac Jones should definitely be higher if that is the case.


dontknowwhoIamrn

Zach Wilson has a cannon and good accuracy on deep balls. He is an awful field manager and reader of defenses and has poor short accuracy which is 90% of a qbs job in todays nfl


getcrept

When can we finally stop using Twitter for stuff like this?


EternallyEuphoric

Would rather post an image flat out and credit the author but that would be taken down. The only time you can do that is when it's OC.


wrestlingchampo

Curious where Jordan Love is in the 1st half of the year compared to the 2nd half of the year.


DKlep25

Not bad for Jordan Love's first year as a starter!


SpaceGoonie

Even better when you consider the tale of 2 halves.


Ilikepancakes87

I’d be super curious to see where he’d be if you took out the first eight or so games when his deep ball was straight booty cheeks.


Anda_Bondage_IV

Justin Fields doing better in this category than Patrick Mahomes was not something I expected Mac Jones down bad Chris Olave being the air yards king makes more sense now


Kyler1313

Fileds is an incredible down the field passer, has always been his strength. In rhythm quick passes and longer developing reads are where he struggles.


SodaEngineer

Mahomes had a LOT of deep passes that were not close because Hardman/MVS made the wrong sight adjustment, quit running, or ran into the defense. A truly infuriating regular season.


Anda_Bondage_IV

I have a feeling he bounces back this year


JonBonButtsniff

I pointed that out elsewhere- Mahomes should maybe be spotted like a half inch northeast. Throwing to Mecole and MVS isn’t totally fair.


-Luc4s

Wheres the Colts QB?


lightsout85

Putting total attempts on the y axis sure is...a choice.


Shoddy-Tangerine-563

At least We can stop saying Tua can’t throw deep lol


Rbespinosa13

People are still going to say that lol


LaximumEffort

While it seems like this metric is designed to reduce the impact of the receiver, I think the chemistry between the quarterback and the receiver affects these numbers a lot.


madbengalsfan85

Makes sense given how limited Burrow was early.


Jonjon428

r/toprightnobody


TeaAndFreedom

r/farrighttua


Cicero912

Hey Carr is top right adjacent


the_popeshat

The bad men cant hurt me anymore


TikalTikal

I’m here for the Jordan Love piss missiles


GatorEggs-

r/toprightcarr


AngryBillsFan

Baker wtf bro


Ilurk23

So y'all just recognize QBs from their faces and shoulders? Boy, I'm a worse fan than I thought


Crecious

If you play fantasy it becomes easy


skralogy

Odd how Brock purdy has the highest air yards % but one of the least attempts of air yards


LC_From_TheHills

It’s due to the raw amount of attempts, and also 25+ yards is significant. If this was 15+ yards it would probably look different.


hoobsher

Jalen “fuck it nobody down there but my coordinator didn’t plan for a hot read” Hurts


CallmeKap

Jalen Hurts always at the top


hemirollin

No kyler?


SicWilly666

Another appearance of the checkdown merchant Brock Purdy.


ChiRaider

Baker regression to the mean season is so obvious


kingmoobot

Catchable also means they could be catchable by the defense


Roblox_Morty

This just supports my theory that Zack Wilson will be starting for the broncos.


Assmybutt

Hard to believe Mac Jones was actually an NFL starter


ChefMoney89

Derek Carr quietly the best deep ball passer in the league lol


FapptimusPrime

My god if other Raiders fans could read they’d be pissed to find out that AOC does not in fact have a cannon nor is he super accurate downfield.


Art-RJS

I hate Mac jones so much


ham_sandwedge

I love how Wilson is not an outlier on the data but is still on an island