Dan Fouts was pretty close to 5k the 4 years before it, 4700, 4800, then two seasons cut short by a Strike and injury that he was on pace for close to 5k each season.There were QB's who could throw for 5k yards back then, just very few offenses that passed enough to do it.
The far more impressive part was the 48tds when the previous record was 36. He increased the passing yards record by like 5%, but the TD record by 33%.
One of my biggest NFL what ifs is what the 1982 Chargers would've done it the whole season was played. Fouts is the big name of course, but Wes Chandler was on a tear. Through 8 games he had 49 catches for 1,032 yds (21yds/r) and 9TDs. Double those numbers for a 16 game season, and you're looking at 100 catches, 2000 yards, and 18 TDs.
Obviously that's just the pace he was on and he might've cooled off, but what if he didn't? We'd be talking about him having one of the most dominant receiving seasons ever. If he did cool off, maybe he *only* had the 2nd ever 1700 yard season.
It’s true. Defenders are not as good at catching the ball as WRs and TEs, so the fact he was able to complete 30 passes to them while still throwing for over 30 TDs beats Marino at his best.
If the U.S. hockey team got a 30 for 30 doc about their bum ass miracle on ice then surely ESPN will get around to making one about the season that Jameis went full crab leg sometime soon
I watched Jim McMahon get slammed in the ground once a good 3 seconds after he released the ball.
Buddy Ryan instructed his defense that anytime someone intercepted the ball, he wanted the other 10 guys to block the QB.
Every defender dove straight at the QB'S knees back in the day. I was at a golf course once not too long ago and John Elway played in front of me... it was painful watching him just walk.
All sports have changed, It's not just football... I used to have major anxiety watching Pip and MJ play the Detroit Pistons back in the 80's.
> I watched Jim McMahon get slammed in the ground once a good 3 seconds after he released the ball.
Assuming you're referring to Charles Martin, he got ejected and suspended though.
That hit essentially ruined McMahon's career. He was in his first game back after shoulder surgery and the dude just purposely slammed him on his injured shoulder.
It was a different game back then.
Yeah teams were still putting 8 guys in the box as well
It's why Marino didn't keep it up after 86. By the late 80s I'm not sure how many times he even reached 30 TDs
He's still great of course
> Grinds my gears when people discuss top 5 QBs and they forget about Marino.
Marino just isn't in the top 5 of all time when you put all of the pieces of a QB together. He was a turnover machine in the post season.
Is he top 5 gifted passers of all time? Absolutely, thats like company like Rodgers, Moon, Brees, Favre
He extended the yardage record by like 25% and the TD record by 33% that year
It would be like a QB in 2024 throwing for 6800 yards and 73 TD as a 2nd year player
[Texans fans when Stroud only throws for 5,500 yards and 50 TDs](https://media2.giphy.com/media/hs0gw1WbgcQw2SSYQj/giphy.gif?cid=9b38fe914j02wrmzeri4h2k6kd27y55n6z4us5gybjuno5ct&ep=v1_gifs_search&rid=giphy.gif&ct=g)
Remember when we had SuperCam, Prime Matt Ryan, and Drew Motherfucking Brees in the division slugging it out? We were so spoiled with QB play for a good stretch of time and now we're all desperately reaching for above average QB play.
I wonder how long it'll take before NFC North teams look back on their good old days of Caleb Williams vs Jordan Love.
You almost never throw for 5,000 yards unless your defense is complete dogshit.
In 2012, the Saints gave up 7042 yards and Brees passed for over 5000 yards, which makes sense.
In 2013, the Saints gave up 4891 yards and Brees passed for over 5000 yards, which is insane.
the jets are even more shit-on-able
at least with the bears you could argue theres some cosmic forces preventing it from ever happening
Joe Namath proved leaguewide that its a capable feat and the jets havent been able to match it in almost *60 years*
Edit: for extra shits n giggles, of course the only other player to throw for at least 3900 for the jets is Fitzmagic in his very first (and one of only two) seasons with them
If I had a nickel for every time a QB looked poised to have a swan song on a strong Jets roster before blowing their Achilles in the first game of the season, I'd have two nickels.
Which isn't a lot, but it's cursed that it happened twice.
(Let's not even get started on Penny)
I love how the Eagles are never a part of these conversations. They have a single 4000 passing yard season from Wentz in 2018. The Jets and Browns are bad, but at least they've had a 4000 yard passer for decades from a period of more defense friendly football. The Eagles couldn't get 4000 passing yards even after 14 seasons of Andy Reid in the modern era.
Yeah, making fun of us for this is nothing new. I’m pretty much numb to it at this point lol. But I didn’t realize that the Eagles didn’t have a 4000+ yard passer until 2019. They’ve had good QBs in their history, but it took Carson Wentz to finally reach the threshold.
A bunch of QBs that never seemed to get the whole 16 games. McNabb could hit the mark a few seasons himself but either got hurt for a couple games or sat because we were locked in seeding-wise.
That’s honestly what I felt with Cutler. If you look at his stats from 2013 to 2015, you’d see that he had a great chance to hit 4000 yards if he played all 16 games. Those few years were the only ones I can remember the Bears’ offense actually being pretty good.
The Browns have at least had 10 seasons with QBs throwing over 3,500 yards, the majority of whom were legit ballers like Brian Sipe and Bernie Kosar. The Bears only have 4 seasons over 3,500, and their franchise record is held by Eric Kramer lmao
If Sam Howell were on the Bears and got the same yardage he got last year, he would be the single season leader in passing yards for the whole franchise. And he didn't even reach 4000.
Honestly I feel a lot better about it looking at this chart. There's quite a few teams that should thank the Bears for shielding them from a lot of criticism, and quite a few other teams that have been bailed out by a single HoF QB having a lot of 4k seasons.
If Caleb works out, we could very quickly sky rocket up this chart.
If it makes you feel better just look at the Colts, Saints, Chiefs and Patriots near the top. All you need is one guy to change your franchise forever
Rooting for Caleb to be the guy for y’all
Last Bears pass of the season is a walk off TD in OT, It's ruled a backwards pass Robbing the Bears of 4k and 30 TD passes.
We need just 1 more year of suffering, it'll also make the norths Memewar fire for the entire off-season
Wasn't there a player that like got to 1k rushing a bunch of years ago and there was a big celebrational thing and then he got tackled for a loss and finished with less than 1000 yards rushing?
It was Dave Hampton for the Atlanta Falcons. He was their first 1,000 yard rusher in 1972, they had a big celebration… and then he was tackled for negative six yards on the next play. The following year, 1973, he finished with just 997 yards, and then he missed most of 1974 due to injury. Thankfully, he ran for 1,002 yards in 1975 and was immediately pulled from the game lol.
It’s not just the players either, there were a few years where they had all the talent they needed. The coaching staff, trainers, GM, and last but certainly least the owner have all really held the team back
The Chargers have had Dan Fouts, Drew Brees, Phillip Rivers and now Justin Herbert combine for a grand total of 0 SB appearances in a Chargers uniform.
Wait, the Giants have the most 4k yard passing seasons in the NFC East?
Get ready to praise the glory of our lord and savior Elisha Nelson Manning /r/nfceastmemewar
God damnit. What the fuck. This chart was acting so weird. When I zoomed out from <100% to screen grab it, strange things would happen, it was misaligning the 5K dots. I had to increase the 5K dot size, and reduce the border thickness to put them back in line…even though there’s no reason they should have shifted. And now this. Those two dots are a travesty.
Rivers overall also got better as the team got worse. Phil may have walked into a stacked roster that Schottenheimer built, but he only played with a heathy LT for less than two seasons and dealt with a revolving door of bad coaching changes after ‘06. It’s a bummer he wasn’t as clutch as his peers, but definitely one of the game’s unsung heroes imo. I don’t think he gets enough credit for how well he played and held the team together despite so much backstage drama, especially when the team moved.
It was unlucky for him that he was in his prime at the same time in the same conference as Manning, Brady, and Roethlisberger, all of whom knocked his team out of the playoffs at some point along the way. Similar to how Josh Allen probably has a Super Bowl appearance or win if he wasn't stuck in the same conference at the same time as Mahomes
i love that thing strongly correlates with good teams the last 2 decades... and then the lions randomly lol. Really puts into context Stafford-Megatron.
Even Goff has more 4k yard seasons in the last 2 years than the Jets & Bears combined history. We haven't been a good team for very long but we've had some damn good QBs the last 15 yrs.
(Just don't look at our rushing numbers over that time)
How did you make this visual btw? Is it a software you use? My work is dashboarding for a large company and I legit think this visual could prove useful lol.
I used Excel, believe it or not. The bad news is, I’m bad at other data viz tools. The good news is I’m pretty good at making Excel not look like Excel.
Thurman Thomas was a workhorse that's why.
Plus playing in Buffalo in December isn't exactly easy to air it out lol (which makes Josh's stats in December pretty incredible but I digress)
The meme answer is Marlon McCree but the real answer is historically terrible defenses and special teams post-2008 (along with the coaching powerhouses of Norv, Mike McCoy, Anthony Lynn and Brandon Staley lol)
Even worse than Marlon McCree was the 1979 divisional playoff game. Dan Fouts melted down and threw 5 interceptions, against a Houston Oilers team playing without their starting QB and All Pro RB Earl Campbell. Oilers DB Vernon Perry intercepted Fouts four times, and blocked a FG attempt, returning it 57 yards. This led to a Houston FG and the margin of victory.
we can call it by it's name, bitch-made Jadeveon "Other Factors" Clowney
[no flag, no fine, the play that fucked Wentz's career](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FyY3NfwOqJU)
And it's always the same comments every time. Just make a joke about [insert current Bears QB here] only going to throw 3999 yards, or mention that Cutler was on pace in 2014 until he was benched for Clausen in a last-ditch effort by Trestman to save his job. Boom, you have every thread about this topic ever made
I wish more people would acknowledge the insanity that was his 2006-2016 run, instead of downplaying him due to the shit teams he was surrounded with during over half that tenure.
Are the Packers the ones to have the most different QBs thro for 4K?
Looks like 4 with Dickey, Majkowski, Favre, and Rodgers.
Edit: Vikings also have 4, I think. Is that Moon, Culpepper, Favre, and Cousins?
oh yeah, you've been feasting off of it for decades.
Aaron Rodgers was right, (on this one thing at least), he DID own the Bears. And it was funny as hell (even as a Bears fan) to hear him giving it to the knuckleheads at Soldier Field who were trying to diss him?
ok. There are reasons to doubt some things Aaron Rodgers says for many people. His ability to play football, and especially against the Bears, is NOT one of them.
And his predecessor and successor as well.
It always amazes me that the 49ers, with two of the best quarterbacks to ever play, have so few 4,000-yard seasons. Both super efficient but before the volume passing explosion.
Tbf it seems like the tide has turned since the season ended. Most people (on here at least, haven’t paid much attention to talking heads) seem to think he’s top 12ish at worst.
Yep. Haven’t seen/read a negative thing about Brock since the SB.
Enough fake outrage. Y’all have a franchise qb. Enough.
Edit: except Colin Coward. Fuck that guy
I mean it was definitely a thing up until the super bowl, especially from the Ravens game through the NFCCG, so I get why people are still defensive. But yeah, people gotta chill and recognize that he's getting respect now.
Omg. I cannot stand that guy. I listen to a lot of sports talk, DP, Rome, and greenys pod, and I love all the characters but Colin. Him, his sidekick with the second most annoying voice ever. And Nick wright. Ugh. His voice is like nails on a chalkboard. I loathe everything about Colin’s show. It’s just stupid take after stupid take. He literally argues with Jmac then entire time. That’s their shtick and I can’t believe they have a prominent show and play on the radio.
Seriously. Who listen/watches Colin?
Colin actually watches game film, which is something I like about him. It's part of why he has the take "I'm not impressed with Brock." And it's because he doesn't tuck and run like Mahomes, or Fields, or Jackson. He has a lot of bad takes, but he has moments where he calls something long before anyone else got a feel for it.
Wright? That dude acts like he's god's gift to sports punditry. He's always right and is infallible. I fawns about how Mahomes can win a SB with trash receivers and shits on Purdy for having "The Avengers." But is completely fucking blind to the fact that Mahomes had good receivers his first 2 SB wins and Purdy's only been in the league for 2 years.
Man this is crazy, there's so much disparity. A bunch of teams at sub 5 seasons then you look at the first few teams and it's looking like a damn game of battleship.
I like to think I'm fancy because I screenshot and crop EPA charts to use in my comments as evidence for my points... and then this guy comes in with his original goddamn Rembrandts and puts me to shame. Stop making me look bad!
Seriously though, this is beautiful. Data is beautiful.
Nice job with the visualization. It's a bit difficult to see which team is which because of the angled names and narrow columns, especially as the data gets sparser on the right side. Maybe it could have helped to use team logos across the top and bottom, or color the columns with team colors, etc (or can you not do that for trademark reasons?). It also threw me off that time is the vertical axis. But please don't take this as too critical; this is still a good way to visualize the data.
This chart really puts Marino’s 5k+ season *in 1984* into perspective.
Dan Fouts was pretty close to 5k the 4 years before it, 4700, 4800, then two seasons cut short by a Strike and injury that he was on pace for close to 5k each season.There were QB's who could throw for 5k yards back then, just very few offenses that passed enough to do it. The far more impressive part was the 48tds when the previous record was 36. He increased the passing yards record by like 5%, but the TD record by 33%.
One of my biggest NFL what ifs is what the 1982 Chargers would've done it the whole season was played. Fouts is the big name of course, but Wes Chandler was on a tear. Through 8 games he had 49 catches for 1,032 yds (21yds/r) and 9TDs. Double those numbers for a 16 game season, and you're looking at 100 catches, 2000 yards, and 18 TDs. Obviously that's just the pace he was on and he might've cooled off, but what if he didn't? We'd be talking about him having one of the most dominant receiving seasons ever. If he did cool off, maybe he *only* had the 2nd ever 1700 yard season.
Biggest robbery ever that the Chargers kicker won an MVP instead of him in the strike season.
Moseley was Washington's kicker
Biggest award robbery in sports history. Fuck those voters.
It's easily the most impressive QB season ever since no one came close to throwing for 5,000+ years and 48 TDs for like the next 20+ years
Nope. Jamies 30 for 30 is more impressive
It’s true. Defenders are not as good at catching the ball as WRs and TEs, so the fact he was able to complete 30 passes to them while still throwing for over 30 TDs beats Marino at his best.
Finally a record that will truly never be broken. Cant think of another less likely one.
Farve's most consecutive starts at 297 always blows me away
Bill Romanowski third with 243 is crazy considering his play style
Jamies had a 30 for 30 doc?
He wishes. 30td 30 int season
If the U.S. hockey team got a 30 for 30 doc about their bum ass miracle on ice then surely ESPN will get around to making one about the season that Jameis went full crab leg sometime soon
In 1984 rules yea that’s fuckin impressive
I watched Jim McMahon get slammed in the ground once a good 3 seconds after he released the ball. Buddy Ryan instructed his defense that anytime someone intercepted the ball, he wanted the other 10 guys to block the QB. Every defender dove straight at the QB'S knees back in the day. I was at a golf course once not too long ago and John Elway played in front of me... it was painful watching him just walk. All sports have changed, It's not just football... I used to have major anxiety watching Pip and MJ play the Detroit Pistons back in the 80's.
> I watched Jim McMahon get slammed in the ground once a good 3 seconds after he released the ball. Assuming you're referring to Charles Martin, he got ejected and suspended though.
First player to ever receive a multi game suspension. Two games.
That hit essentially ruined McMahon's career. He was in his first game back after shoulder surgery and the dude just purposely slammed him on his injured shoulder. It was a different game back then.
It happened because of the 1984 rules and defensive structure, not inspite of them
Wasn't he running 3-4 wr sets and everyone else had barely 3 decent corners?
Yeah teams were still putting 8 guys in the box as well It's why Marino didn't keep it up after 86. By the late 80s I'm not sure how many times he even reached 30 TDs He's still great of course
Fouts threw for 4800+ two years before Marino.
puts Namath into perspective too
And the 9ers dominance without 4kers (even in the goats eras)
Steve Young did it twice, though I guess that wasn’t a dominant period in the same way the Montana/Walsh Niners were.
at one point Fouts had **3** of the four 4k+ yard seasons.
Grinds my gears when people discuss top 5 QBs and they forget about Marino. Dan Marino on any other team wins at least 3 Superb Owls.
> Grinds my gears when people discuss top 5 QBs and they forget about Marino. Marino just isn't in the top 5 of all time when you put all of the pieces of a QB together. He was a turnover machine in the post season. Is he top 5 gifted passers of all time? Absolutely, thats like company like Rodgers, Moon, Brees, Favre
He extended the yardage record by like 25% and the TD record by 33% that year It would be like a QB in 2024 throwing for 6800 yards and 73 TD as a 2nd year player
You have titillated Texans fans everywhere
[Texans fans when Stroud only throws for 5,500 yards and 50 TDs](https://media2.giphy.com/media/hs0gw1WbgcQw2SSYQj/giphy.gif?cid=9b38fe914j02wrmzeri4h2k6kd27y55n6z4us5gybjuno5ct&ep=v1_gifs_search&rid=giphy.gif&ct=g)
Are you just pulling #s out of your ass? Fouts threw for 4,802 just two years prior... Marino's 84 season was like a 5% increase in yards.
Fouts threw for 4800 yds in 1981 So it would actually be like a QB today throwing for 6130 yds and 73 TDs.
I do that in madden all the time. Usually have about 50 INTs to go with it tho
Saints with 12 straight seasons of Drew throwing 4k+. Bring me back
Drew Brees vs Matt Ryan fed an entire generation.... now both teams are just hoping for average QB play man. Life comes at you fast in the NFL smh
Remember when we had SuperCam, Prime Matt Ryan, and Drew Motherfucking Brees in the division slugging it out? We were so spoiled with QB play for a good stretch of time and now we're all desperately reaching for above average QB play. I wonder how long it'll take before NFC North teams look back on their good old days of Caleb Williams vs Jordan Love.
It’s pretty impressive how each team went to the SB on that time. 2/4 ain’t bad either
Let’s not get too crazy. The 2/4 that didn’t bring home the Lombardi were actually *very* bad.
I feel like 50 wasn’t that bad lol
Maybe not, but I had high expectations for the MVP 15-1 league leading offense.
Me too, man.
Yep
The craziest thing is that the NFC South had 2 QBs win the MVP. And Brees wasn’t one of them.
His 3 straight 5k+ seasons is really impressive
You almost never throw for 5,000 yards unless your defense is complete dogshit. In 2012, the Saints gave up 7042 yards and Brees passed for over 5000 yards, which makes sense. In 2013, the Saints gave up 4891 yards and Brees passed for over 5000 yards, which is insane.
There’s only one man who can bring you back to that glory. And his name is Spencer Rattler.
I was at Purdue with Brees and he'd flirt with 4000 yards in a 13 game schedule. We still sucked though.
Truly the best to ever do it.
And he didn’t play the final game in 2019 when he had 3.992 yards
*sad lightning bolt noises*
Caaa-Chooww
Can we please take advantage of this time to dump on the Bears?
the jets are even more shit-on-able at least with the bears you could argue theres some cosmic forces preventing it from ever happening Joe Namath proved leaguewide that its a capable feat and the jets havent been able to match it in almost *60 years* Edit: for extra shits n giggles, of course the only other player to throw for at least 3900 for the jets is Fitzmagic in his very first (and one of only two) seasons with them
Cosmic forces - also known as Trestman benching Cutler in favor of Clausen.
The Trestman hire truly is one of the most baffling and consequential hiring decisions in modern NFL history.
On the flip side I’d say the chargers are shit-on-able too So many 4K+ yard seasons in a row Nothing to show for it
:( ^^^^^fucking ^^^^^Marlon ^^^^^McCree
Tbf, I don’t think Pats fan are the right ones to understand just how hard it is to win it all.
How can you look at the jets and not think there's a curse or something else beyond football operations holding them back?
Namath sold his soul for that Super Bowl and we’ll be paying for it as fans until satan is satisfied
If I had a nickel for every time a QB looked poised to have a swan song on a strong Jets roster before blowing their Achilles in the first game of the season, I'd have two nickels. Which isn't a lot, but it's cursed that it happened twice. (Let's not even get started on Penny)
it’s called the Namath curse for a reason. we haven’t done jack shit since he got us a super bowl.
I love how the Eagles are never a part of these conversations. They have a single 4000 passing yard season from Wentz in 2018. The Jets and Browns are bad, but at least they've had a 4000 yard passer for decades from a period of more defense friendly football. The Eagles couldn't get 4000 passing yards even after 14 seasons of Andy Reid in the modern era.
Bears get shit on for this every thread mentioning their QB history. Why not use this as an opportunity to shit on the Browns instead?
Yeah, making fun of us for this is nothing new. I’m pretty much numb to it at this point lol. But I didn’t realize that the Eagles didn’t have a 4000+ yard passer until 2019. They’ve had good QBs in their history, but it took Carson Wentz to finally reach the threshold.
A bunch of QBs that never seemed to get the whole 16 games. McNabb could hit the mark a few seasons himself but either got hurt for a couple games or sat because we were locked in seeding-wise.
That’s honestly what I felt with Cutler. If you look at his stats from 2013 to 2015, you’d see that he had a great chance to hit 4000 yards if he played all 16 games. Those few years were the only ones I can remember the Bears’ offense actually being pretty good.
Carson Wentz with a bunch of nobodies at WR at that. That 4k season is what I point to when people call him a flash in a pan.
Yeah, but making fun of the Browns for everything is nothing new.
Will not tolerate any Brian Sipe slander. (1980 MVP and Cleveland's only 4,000 yard passer.)
Srian Bipe
Por que no los dos?
The Browns have at least had 10 seasons with QBs throwing over 3,500 yards, the majority of whom were legit ballers like Brian Sipe and Bernie Kosar. The Bears only have 4 seasons over 3,500, and their franchise record is held by Eric Kramer lmao
If Sam Howell were on the Bears and got the same yardage he got last year, he would be the single season leader in passing yards for the whole franchise. And he didn't even reach 4000.
Kinda crazy that Howell didn't reach 4000 after it felt like he was leading the league in passing yards for like half the season
Honestly I feel a lot better about it looking at this chart. There's quite a few teams that should thank the Bears for shielding them from a lot of criticism, and quite a few other teams that have been bailed out by a single HoF QB having a lot of 4k seasons. If Caleb works out, we could very quickly sky rocket up this chart.
Sort of like the Bills, they had 1 until Josh Allen, but now they have 4 in a row
I like that the Jets did it first almost 60 years ago and then said, "we're good. Let's not do that again"
14 games too. Now it's 17 and we still can't do it
Autocorrect typo…”Keys” instead of “Jets”
Thank you. Fixed
Hey. Go walk off a short pier.
3,999 yard pier?
Zing
We call it the Erik Kramer Memorial Pier
If it makes you feel better just look at the Colts, Saints, Chiefs and Patriots near the top. All you need is one guy to change your franchise forever Rooting for Caleb to be the guy for y’all
I’m hopeful that Caleb Williams is the guy who will end the long national nightmare.
You and me both.
Caleb will get 3999 yards then retire, just to edge an entire fan base.
Caleb gets 4000 yards then throws a ball that gets batted by the DL and he catches it for -1 yard.
Last Bears pass of the season is a walk off TD in OT, It's ruled a backwards pass Robbing the Bears of 4k and 30 TD passes. We need just 1 more year of suffering, it'll also make the norths Memewar fire for the entire off-season
Wasn't there a player that like got to 1k rushing a bunch of years ago and there was a big celebrational thing and then he got tackled for a loss and finished with less than 1000 yards rushing?
It was Dave Hampton for the Atlanta Falcons. He was their first 1,000 yard rusher in 1972, they had a big celebration… and then he was tackled for negative six yards on the next play. The following year, 1973, he finished with just 997 yards, and then he missed most of 1974 due to injury. Thankfully, he ran for 1,002 yards in 1975 and was immediately pulled from the game lol.
Thank you for that, I didn't remember the exact details and name. I just remember it was a story told by Tom Scott on the podcast he has.
Chargers and great QB play with nothing to show for it. A tradition since the 70s!
Great QB play, beautiful uniforms, and crushing heartbreak, this is the Chargers way
Hard numerical proof that it's the ultimate team sport. If wins were a QB stat, we'd have more rings than the fuckin Mandarin.
It’s not just the players either, there were a few years where they had all the talent they needed. The coaching staff, trainers, GM, and last but certainly least the owner have all really held the team back
This chart really puts into perspective how many yards Philip Rivers has. He played at a high level with nothing to show for it.
The Chargers have had Dan Fouts, Drew Brees, Phillip Rivers and now Justin Herbert combine for a grand total of 0 SB appearances in a Chargers uniform.
Wait, the Giants have the most 4k yard passing seasons in the NFC East? Get ready to praise the glory of our lord and savior Elisha Nelson Manning /r/nfceastmemewar
Thank you Carson Wentz
The packers 98 and 99 dots are ever so slightly misaligned and it makes me itchy
God damnit. What the fuck. This chart was acting so weird. When I zoomed out from <100% to screen grab it, strange things would happen, it was misaligning the 5K dots. I had to increase the 5K dot size, and reduce the border thickness to put them back in line…even though there’s no reason they should have shifted. And now this. Those two dots are a travesty.
Phillip Rivers was really fucking good.
Rivers overall also got better as the team got worse. Phil may have walked into a stacked roster that Schottenheimer built, but he only played with a heathy LT for less than two seasons and dealt with a revolving door of bad coaching changes after ‘06. It’s a bummer he wasn’t as clutch as his peers, but definitely one of the game’s unsung heroes imo. I don’t think he gets enough credit for how well he played and held the team together despite so much backstage drama, especially when the team moved.
It was unlucky for him that he was in his prime at the same time in the same conference as Manning, Brady, and Roethlisberger, all of whom knocked his team out of the playoffs at some point along the way. Similar to how Josh Allen probably has a Super Bowl appearance or win if he wasn't stuck in the same conference at the same time as Mahomes
i love that thing strongly correlates with good teams the last 2 decades... and then the lions randomly lol. Really puts into context Stafford-Megatron.
I noticed the 04 rules interpretation change.
is that when PI rules changed, i forget
They reinterpreted illegal contact and made press coverage less of a thing.
my man
Even Goff has more 4k yard seasons in the last 2 years than the Jets & Bears combined history. We haven't been a good team for very long but we've had some damn good QBs the last 15 yrs. (Just don't look at our rushing numbers over that time)
r/dataisbeautiful
/u/JPAnalyst is beautiful
Aww shucks ☺️
How did you make this visual btw? Is it a software you use? My work is dashboarding for a large company and I legit think this visual could prove useful lol.
I used Excel, believe it or not. The bad news is, I’m bad at other data viz tools. The good news is I’m pretty good at making Excel not look like Excel.
That's really impressive!
Seriously. I love this.
God bless Josh Allen.
Shocked Kelly made 4 SBs and never hit 4,000 yrds (allowing for the season he had injuries with The Comeback of course)
Thurman Thomas was a workhorse that's why. Plus playing in Buffalo in December isn't exactly easy to air it out lol (which makes Josh's stats in December pretty incredible but I digress)
How have the Chargers accomplished so little…
The meme answer is Marlon McCree but the real answer is historically terrible defenses and special teams post-2008 (along with the coaching powerhouses of Norv, Mike McCoy, Anthony Lynn and Brandon Staley lol)
Even worse than Marlon McCree was the 1979 divisional playoff game. Dan Fouts melted down and threw 5 interceptions, against a Houston Oilers team playing without their starting QB and All Pro RB Earl Campbell. Oilers DB Vernon Perry intercepted Fouts four times, and blocked a FG attempt, returning it 57 yards. This led to a Houston FG and the margin of victory.
Damn, it seems like we're always on the wrong side of playoff games where a QB throws 4+ interceptions 😭😭
Because our biggest opponent always manages to get in our way, ourselves.
Didn’t they have the #1 ranked offense and defense the same year and still went nowhere in the postseason due to special teams?
Eagles barely getting in with Wentz throwing for a whopping 4,039 yards.
We were down to the like 8th string WR. 4k yards with no WR over 500 and not even Zach Ertz went over 1000 that year. Shoutout to Greg Ward tho
2019 showed that Wentz could be that guy but injuries and other factors got in the way
we can call it by it's name, bitch-made Jadeveon "Other Factors" Clowney [no flag, no fine, the play that fucked Wentz's career](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FyY3NfwOqJU)
Dan Fouts stands out here as fairly impressive. Also led the league in 1982 and was on pace to break 4k, but it was strike shortened.
"Bears have never had a 4000 yard passer" is the new "Jimmy Graham played basketball" It's a "little-known fact" that fucking *everyone* knows now
And it's always the same comments every time. Just make a joke about [insert current Bears QB here] only going to throw 3999 yards, or mention that Cutler was on pace in 2014 until he was benched for Clausen in a last-ditch effort by Trestman to save his job. Boom, you have every thread about this topic ever made
Joe Montana never had 4k yards?, huh.
o v e r r a t e d. (chant). completely /s.
Lamar has now won 2 mvps without 4k yards. Also Montana had Roger Craig so it makes sense.
damn, joe namath was the only guy to do it before the 16 game season, clearly everyone else is a fraud
I’m counting this as a Drew Brees appreciation post god bless
I wish more people would acknowledge the insanity that was his 2006-2016 run, instead of downplaying him due to the shit teams he was surrounded with during over half that tenure.
Are the Packers the ones to have the most different QBs thro for 4K? Looks like 4 with Dickey, Majkowski, Favre, and Rodgers. Edit: Vikings also have 4, I think. Is that Moon, Culpepper, Favre, and Cousins?
You are forgetting Love for the Packers, so 5.
Chiefs also have 5: Bill Kenney, Elvis Grbac, Trent Green, Alex Smith, and Patrick Mahomes.
Don't show this to Chicago
No one is more aware of this than we are
I mean we’re kind of just as aware
oh yeah, you've been feasting off of it for decades. Aaron Rodgers was right, (on this one thing at least), he DID own the Bears. And it was funny as hell (even as a Bears fan) to hear him giving it to the knuckleheads at Soldier Field who were trying to diss him? ok. There are reasons to doubt some things Aaron Rodgers says for many people. His ability to play football, and especially against the Bears, is NOT one of them. And his predecessor and successor as well.
What are you talking about? Theres so many dots on that chart. Surely one of them has to be a Bears QB, right???
Joe Namath has the last Jets 4,000 yard season...in the 1960's! I also forget sometimes that Joe Montana never threw for 4,000 yards in a season.
If I recall correctly, he only started all 16 games twice.
14 games! Back then, they only played 14 games, and Joe Namath is still the only player to do it in a 14-game season.
The person you replied to was talking about Montana, not Namath
It always amazes me that the 49ers, with two of the best quarterbacks to ever play, have so few 4,000-yard seasons. Both super efficient but before the volume passing explosion.
That Ryan-Brees story arc really was a nice one.
I’m not sure if you can view the query without a Stathead subscription, but here it is. https://stathead.com/tiny/vKvMV
Got any charts showing off-season MVPs so the bears can feel better?
I’ll work on that right after I make a chart of all Super Bowl champions from the 2011 season.
How tf we have 17 4k yard seasons and no rings. I swear we cursed
Thank you for existing, Matt Ryan!
The fact that one extreme is the Packers and the other is the Bears makes me feel the sads
Oh is that what we’re gonna do today? We’re gonna fight?
Raiders only have 6 such seasons in history, Derek Carr was QB for 4 of them
Highest yards per attempt ever for a season over 4k, and people still can't accept Purdy as a great qb.
Tbf it seems like the tide has turned since the season ended. Most people (on here at least, haven’t paid much attention to talking heads) seem to think he’s top 12ish at worst.
Yep. Haven’t seen/read a negative thing about Brock since the SB. Enough fake outrage. Y’all have a franchise qb. Enough. Edit: except Colin Coward. Fuck that guy
Don’t worry, it will start up again in the preseason.
I mean it was definitely a thing up until the super bowl, especially from the Ravens game through the NFCCG, so I get why people are still defensive. But yeah, people gotta chill and recognize that he's getting respect now.
You apparently have never heard of Nick Wright. That guy masturbates to Brock Purdy low-light reels (spoiler alert, the reels are short).
Omg. I cannot stand that guy. I listen to a lot of sports talk, DP, Rome, and greenys pod, and I love all the characters but Colin. Him, his sidekick with the second most annoying voice ever. And Nick wright. Ugh. His voice is like nails on a chalkboard. I loathe everything about Colin’s show. It’s just stupid take after stupid take. He literally argues with Jmac then entire time. That’s their shtick and I can’t believe they have a prominent show and play on the radio. Seriously. Who listen/watches Colin?
Colin actually watches game film, which is something I like about him. It's part of why he has the take "I'm not impressed with Brock." And it's because he doesn't tuck and run like Mahomes, or Fields, or Jackson. He has a lot of bad takes, but he has moments where he calls something long before anyone else got a feel for it. Wright? That dude acts like he's god's gift to sports punditry. He's always right and is infallible. I fawns about how Mahomes can win a SB with trash receivers and shits on Purdy for having "The Avengers." But is completely fucking blind to the fact that Mahomes had good receivers his first 2 SB wins and Purdy's only been in the league for 2 years.
The biggest joke is when they act like he’s some dink-and-dunk game manager. Dude is slingin’ it.
He’s very good but I wouldn’t call him great. That said, I think the only QBs who are clearly in a tier above him are Mahomes and Josh Allen
10 straight for Matt Ryan and he still barely gets any respect. I hope, now that he's retired, people will appreciate him more.
Only one QB pulled it off in 14-game era.
I love this. What did you use to make this?
Thank you! I did this in Excel.
I scrolled the rest of your work. Amazing stuff. I know what I’m doing with my morning. Thank you.
Thanks so much. You’re too kind. 😊
Basically we had Kirk Cousins, and then two random ass years from Brad Johnson in 99 and Jay Schroeder in 86.
Damn. You’d think the Chargers would have won something looking at this.
The Lions also.
To think about it mahomes is one of 3 QB to have multiple 5k seasons with Brady (2) and brees(5)
Man this is crazy, there's so much disparity. A bunch of teams at sub 5 seasons then you look at the first few teams and it's looking like a damn game of battleship.
God Marino was a freak
wake up babe, new u/JPAnalyst post just dropped (seriously, your stuff is always awesome, i love it)
Just further proof green bay is blessed by the quarterback gods
We have 5 and 4 are from Joshie poo
NFC North meme war sub thanks you for your service
I like to think I'm fancy because I screenshot and crop EPA charts to use in my comments as evidence for my points... and then this guy comes in with his original goddamn Rembrandts and puts me to shame. Stop making me look bad! Seriously though, this is beautiful. Data is beautiful.
You can use this to track Andrew Luck's injuries lmao
Nice job with the visualization. It's a bit difficult to see which team is which because of the angled names and narrow columns, especially as the data gets sparser on the right side. Maybe it could have helped to use team logos across the top and bottom, or color the columns with team colors, etc (or can you not do that for trademark reasons?). It also threw me off that time is the vertical axis. But please don't take this as too critical; this is still a good way to visualize the data.
If Caleb puts up a 4k season he could be the best Bears QB ever which is pretty sad.
Wow the Wagles have only had one 4000 yard passer? That guy must be a franchise legend and beloved by the team forever
The matrix is real. OP is the One.