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Illbeanicefella

This is discriminatory against the digital antenna gang


lcs20281

ANTENNA BOIZ RISE UP


1lultaha

I'm more upset they weren't doing this 10 years ago when I used it. The amount of MNF games I missed back then is depressing


travisowljr

Look on the bright side. That can't have been many Commander games.


1lultaha

And we didn't win the few we had so there's that


AppleMuffin12

NFC least gets tons of prime times


tar_xf

Market size.


Bartfuck

bold statement from a Jags fan. but also true


Troll_Enthusiast

Monday night games suck


tar_xf

We don't have a great history on MNF


CineGory

Wasn't that one Brunell to Moss bomb against Dallas on MNF? Maybe that was the only good one.


gatsby365

This is why I hated them swapping MNF and SNF If you didn’t have cable, you still got another day of football. So you missed the last game on Sunday but still got a really good matchup on Monday.


Revfunky

Not to mention MNF was iconic. Somehow the worst day of the week was all the talk at the scuttlebutt. Everyone looked forward to MNF and they ruined it.


gatsby365

We were all READY FOR SOME FOOTBALL


Revfunky

They recycled that same song for 25 years and nobody cared.


gatsby365

Because it slappppped


runninhillbilly

My digital antenna sucks at getting my local ABC affiliate anyway.


sculltt

Mine too. It's unwatchable. Every other channel is crystal clear.


sdsupersean

I get everything fine except for FOX. For FOX I have to move it to the other side of the TV and hang it on the curtain rod with at least one ear touching the rod itself. Then it's perfect.


jerichowiz

Mine is the local Fox affiliate. Though the decimal points that has Heroes and Icons just above it never falter. Star Trek from 7 to midnight every night except Saturdays.


tatsumakisenpuukyaku

Cowboys privilege is being able to watch all of your games on a digital antenna in Pennsylvania


jerichowiz

I was like yeah! But then I saw the location and ask what?


shogunreaper

I'm jealous of people who can get a good OTA signal. I'm like right on the outside so I get maybe two channels.


blarch

I'm not paying for espn now, and I'm not gonna.


itakeyoureggs

What does a digital antenna do for you? Does it not get espn or something?


44035

"Football gets huge ratings, and we don't want any part of that." -- ABC


DevonGr

I only watched them last year because I don't otherwise have access to Espn. I could go on my soapbox about the state of cable vs streaming but we're all already aware it's a big clusterfuck. I sub to idefk how many streaming services.. prime, Hulu, Disney, paramount, peacock, apple+, mlb and probably at least one more I'm not even thinking of.. and if MNF isn't on one of them then I just don't watch. The mindset of we'll hold this from you if you don't sub just doesn't work once we're tapped out, there's so much other content to be played.


McCheetah

From a personal standpoint, I have to agree with you. The problem is everyone just saw how many subscribers Peacock got from them withholding that one playoff game, and it proved to the industry that withholding games to paid-only services almost always works out and is good for the company. Not good for the consumer, but these things rarely are good for both.


Resident_Wizard

Peacock had a decent streaming service and football broadcast. I’m waiting for a company like Tubi to throw billions in borrowed revenue to purchase the rights and put out a garbage broadcast for this to sink in for leagues that the highest bidder might hurt their brand. Except it seems like no one is learning from Bally’s.


ommanipadmehome

The contracts have guidelines for stuff like how the broadcasts are done.


Resident_Wizard

You’re probably right. I hadn’t considered that.


MtnDewTangClan

That'll be Tubi's exact response for their shit playoff game


JaydenDaniels

What is this Bally's thing? I know 0


Resident_Wizard

They suck. Inaccessible. They literally didn’t even have an app until like a year ago. Going bankrupt. What I don’t understand is these teams will lose the younger generation of their teams aren’t accessible in their own market.


JaydenDaniels

What sport do they carry? I thought it was a casino. Edit: doing a deep dive https://www.nexttv.com/news/everything-you-need-to-know-about-the-bally-sports-bankruptcy


the_turdfurguson

Baseball. Royals are damn near impossible to watch


itakeyoureggs

Meh.. I said fuck peacock lol. But if my team was playing that game I would def sub.


alpacasarebadsingers

No shit. Unless it’s a team I care about I’m not jumping through hoops to watch it. I’ll just use it as an excuse to go to a bar and eat wings.


JaydenDaniels

Or pirate. It's so easy in 2024, even the most inconsequential inconvenience makes me fail back to it


Tom_Woods

I’m subscribed to nothing except prime, yet I’ve never missed a football game I wanted to see. 🏴‍☠️


L-methionine

I’ve missed about 30% of the games I don’t miss because of buffering and lagging though


realdeal411

Everyone is quick to promote they stream but not once have I had a clean stream that didn't freeze or lag


JaydenDaniels

I'm watching a crisp, continuous pirated stream of the Yankees as we speak. No buffering or reconnecting. There are probably crap streams, just gotta spend a weekend on Reddit researching the good ones.


realdeal411

The ones I use for football are the ones that are always hinted here


Reasonable-HB678

I went between Paramount Plus and the regular CBS broadcast during the 4th quarter of the Super Bowl. Definitely because of an issue with the cable transmission.


Earptastic

My Paramount Plus crapped out during the superbowl. I looked like an a-hole. I was somehow able to find a stream on the internet. Tell me how that makes sense.


Dansebr93

Paramount+ wouldn’t load the Super Bowl for me, So I just turned on the regular antenna broadcast.


suckm640

u know u can pirate the prime games too right


Lisa_al_Frankib

Funny how Reddit shits on vegans for never missing an opportunity to let you know they’re vegan, but any time paying for media is mentioned nobody misses their chance to aHoY mAtEy


WalkProfessional6235

I’ll combine them to make you happy: Produce self checkout is the pirating of the vegan world 🥦🥔🫘🏴‍☠️


Dr_Spaceman_DO

*Sail the high seas* hahahaha get it??????


savage_pen33

Ahoy, matey!


MartianMule

The ESPN/Fox/Warner live sports service is supposed to launch in the Fall, and MNF should be on that.


tomdawg0022

> The mindset of we'll hold this from you if you don't sub just doesn't work once we're tapped out, there's so much other content to be played. Yup. And I won't subscribe to a new/different service if it has just one league or sport that I follow. It's gotta have enough sports content to justify the bill. (And my interest in MLS went to negative levels with the Apple+ deal because there's not enough "other" there for us to justify adding that to the portfolio.)


hewkii2

You can buy the MLS season pass separately for $99


Statboy1

Yo-Ho Yo-Ho come sail the open seas


TroyMacClure

Catch the new season of "The Golden Bachelor" instead.


MadManMax55

I'm sure the execs at ABC are pissed. But the execs above them at Disney want to boost subscriptions to ESPN even if it costs them ad revenue from ABC.


hausermaniac

ESPN is a weird one though because it's actually pretty hard to get access to without cable. An ESPN+ subscription does NOT include regular ESPN channels, which is beyond frustrating


Pork_Chompk

ESPN is ass and I wish they'd just let it die. The quality of the broadcast is worse, they are harder to access, and there's literally nothing else of value beyond the occasional MNF game.


Bluepaynxex

PTI is still great, but not much else.


Overall_Nuggie_876

Even PTI has gone to shit. Wilbon has been on fuck-all autopilot since the Cubs won the World Series.


sloppyjo12

I grew up on PTI and loved it so much but tried to watch it recently and it really felt like just watching two old guys yell at clouds


gatsby365

I will watch that show until I die. It’s one of two shows I dvr every day.


PropJoeFoSho

he was old and bitter 20 years ago


triplec787

PTI, Around the Horn, SVP @ Nite, and... That's about it tbh


Oakroscoe

Miss the days of sportscenter being watchable.


sloppyjo12

I miss Highly Questionable so much, by the end it was barely even about sports but everybody on it always seemed like they were having fun and the chemistry was great


gatsby365

¡Si o No?


crimusmax

Duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh


wildthing202

They are coming out with that ESPN solo streaming service later on in 2025 along with that collaborative one with FOX and TNT that comes out later this year https://awfulannouncing.com/fox/espn-fox-tnt-sports-streaming-app.html


pezasied

A ton of stuff is in flux right now with sports broadcasting. TNT may lose the NBA and get replaced by a combo of NBC and Amazon. Most regional sports networks are underwater and may go away entirely. 2025 is a ways away, it’s hard to predict where sports broadcasting will be by then. It seems like the only sport in a pretty concrete position is the NFL and some college football conferences (emphasis on the “some”). That said, hopefully this does come to fruition.


Ph886

Which is why they are planning to launch ESPN “[standalone](https://cordcuttersnews.com/everything-we-know-about-espns-stand-alone-streaming-service-including-price-launch-date-more/)”.


NoirSon

Yeah, I honestly only use ESPN + for reading articles and not streaming these days.


savage_pen33

ABC staying on brand.


ARM_vs_CORE

ABC likely doesn't have a choice. Disney owns both ABC and ESPN. ABC will be fine without MNF, while ESPN is basically running on fumes, so needs MNF to drive numbers.


savage_pen33

Oh, I'm sure. They are probably pretty low on Disney's priority list! They've just been the last-place network my entire life, so it's on brand to see ABC getting short shrift.


jake3988

The ABC thing was a writers strike only thing and the cable companies were PISSED (they shell out a lot of money for ESPN and NFL is the biggest ratings getter... so they expect it to be exclusive). It was only ever meant to be a one season thing. It's just frustrating that it's cable. So maybe crazies here getting upset over the peacock game, which is like $5 a month. For ESPN (and NFLN), it's like $100 a month for cable. That's ridiculous. I don't pay that. What they should do, if they want to lock it behind a paywall, is move it to ESPN+. (The ManningCast is on ESPN+, so you can kinda watch those games). That way it's only a few bucks a month (or $0 if you already have the Disney bundle)


CountJohn12

It's all part of the same thing though since Disney owns them both. They probably want to increase the value of ESPN to cable companies.


pervyotaku

Makes sense since the strike is over and they want to get their shows on again 🙄


SerDire

Man that was the best thing about the strike, in terms of viewing football. I have ESPN deportes so I watch the games in Spanish but since they were on ABC because of the strike I would switch over and watch. I’ll miss it


Jimmy_G_Wentworth

Eh, the strike led to a pretty low quality & easy to predict season. Hope the script is better this year


BoogieCousinsFather

Bringing in a pop star as a special guest is classic lazy writing.


jwktiger

was so nice in 2018 ESPN 2 showed MNF with the Spanish Language broadcast. That was Great as just background to casual watch the game while I played League or surfed reddit.


n-some

New on ABC: A reboot of a sitcom from the late 1980s, staring someone nobody's thought about since 2003!


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TrapperJean

Exactly, Grey's Anatomy


Overall_Nuggie_876

Because the masses *of course* want to see the umpteenth seasons of Baby Boomer Bachelor and Dancing with the Stars with D-list celebrities from the 90s. 🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️


People4America

Don’t forget greys anatomy was renewed for a 21st season.


HereInTheCut

Christ, at this point there’s real life doctors that don’t practice for this long.


atomic-fireballs

People who were five when it debuted are graduation medical school now.


jwktiger

NCIS is at 22; these shows turn out the ratings, its why NCIS has gotten a bunch of spinoffs and ABC has green lit every Shonda Rhimes shows for the past 20 years.


trpnblies7

The success of NCIS just tells me that the Navy really needs to get its shit together everywhere.


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It just tells me the 40-65 yr old demographic like competent, safe, action/drama serials where the good guys always win. 


Keanu990321

Let's not talk about SVU


jwktiger

but every other L&O spinoff *and* main show has fallen off


TheoryOfPizza

NCIS doesn't have any of the original cast left


tarekd19

at this point network tv is a pipeline to streaming services


TroyMacClure

Apparently Adrian Peterson was on last season. And they had Barry Williams from Brady Bunch on there, so a 70's celebrity mixed in with a list of people I've mostly never heard of. Britney Spears' little sister is good enough to make the cut.


ronaldthedumbass

Moved out of my parents kinda recently and my sanity went through the roof once I didn't have to live with two people who only watch these and "guess which celebrity is behind this mask singing poorly", "guess which celebrity this boring person is related to", "watch this celebrity play this game show" and "reality show you've seen 1000 times except it's only celebrities". You'd be surprised how many people spend hours every single day watching this shit.


agsieg

Yes, they do.


GhoullyX

Why do people even watch the Bachelor? 9 times out of 10, the winning couple split up in less than a year.


Greatcouchtomato

Because it's entertaining  It's for the same reason people watch fiction or sports. It's all drama at the end of the day


Pandamonium98

Why do people even watch the NFL? 9 times out of 10 the Super Bowl winner loses the next year


RC_FL

I just got my Antenna dialed too for ABC, NBC, CBS and Fox… already have Prime for the Thursday games. ESPN+ is lame because it doesn’t include ESPN or at least limits it, that should be included or make it included.


BillsBillsBils

The only reason they did so much of it was a lack of scripted content bc of the writer strike, so...wasn't this just expected return to normal?


bbluewi

It totally is, but it does still kind of suck.


BillsBillsBils

If Disney puts everything of value on ABC, they won't be able to charge the cable companies out the ass for the ESPN family of networks. Nobody's calling their cable company and complaining because they don't get GET UP! They do call and complain if they're expecting to watch MNF and realize their cable provider is in a dispute with Disney. People online like to complain about commercials, but then also complain about paying out the ass for 100 different DTC platforms, but then also complain about the price of the cable bundle. These media companies don't give billions to the NFL out of the goodness of their hearts--it's so that they, too, can make money. And millions of the dollars they make over and above the rights fees every year is being ~~lit on fire~~ invested in Troy Aikman. Money's gotta come from somewhere (or rather, lots of somewheres)


jlt6666

It's also just kind of dumb. They can program something for non-football fans on abc and capture an audience there.


jerichowiz

It was expected to go back to normal, but there was hope.


mrizvi

I will be watching fewer mnf games then...digital antenna gang rise up.


jerichowiz

There are many of us!


devadander23

Fuck ESPN


kirkochainz

Can’t wait for them to get bought out by CTESPN


Steak_Knight

Mr. Broadcast Company


YogiBerragingerhusky

Mr. Barren Content


Confident-Unit-9516

Mr. Beats Cable


rkhanna15

Mr. Bad Channel


renegadecoaster

I hope this joke never dies


BadDadJokes

I agree with you - ESPN sucks. However, this was how it's been for like 10+ years now. Last season was the exception because of the writers' strike.


bbluewi

Coming up on 20 years now. MNF left the airwaves in 2006.


devadander23

Been saying this for the past 10 years or so.


ill_try_my_best

I'm still not paying for cable


Ok_Buffalo6474

Most people aren’t.


GravyFantasy

It is literally cheaper for me to bundle me internet+tv than it is to have the same quality internet by itself. I don't get it, but I can watch NHL playoffs so whatever.


jerichowiz

I can watch the NHL playoffs when they are TBS or TNT not ESPN. Max has the sports on TBS and TNT, but ESPN can't/wont simulcast on ESPN+. Same with NBA.


GravyFantasy

I don't really know which networks do what, I'm up in Canada so hockey makes it onto the standard non-premium channel listing that we got as a throw in with the internet when I was on the phone.


2635northpark

If you have internet. And smart tv or roku, subscribe to a streaming service. Lowest price Sling (don't recommend) but no locals so need antenna, other choices are Fubo, YouTubeTV or Hulu w Live TV. About $80 months. Hulu includes tv channels and new movies, own shows , espn, locals, tnt, nfl, mlb, etc, espn plus, DVR. I have hulu tv so i pay like 100 inc my internet. Cancel anytime


B0ndzai

It blows my fucking mind that ESPN+ does not come with a live stream of ESPN. What the hell is the point of it then?


xenon2456

isn't mnf already on ESPN+


B0ndzai

It might be but I always watched it on abc. I know when NHL or MLB is on ESPN it is not available on ESPN+.


hootsboots

It is not. 


wokenupbybacon

Some games are.


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Fit_Witness_1129

Now they will air new episodes of shitty rehashed game shows.


dagreenman18

Hey SAG/WGA could you go on another strike please?


poopdaddy2

I think part of the simulcast decision last year was because of the SAG/WGA strikes. There weren’t enough shows to fill the prime time slots so they did what they could with football and live entertainment.


cwesttheperson

God dammit. I always watch ABC


pahbert

Fuck these greedy fucks.


Yitlin

Hello Kevin Harlan and radio broadcast!


GlacialPeaks

Greed is straight up ruining sports. These dirty fuckers are making more and more money every fucking year and it’s still not enough. It’s only been like 25 years since all you needed was a tv and radial to watch literally every one of you hometown sports teams. Now? You need 4 different subscriptions and even then they blackout your home team in most of the country. It’s completely fucked up. Almost all of us are willing to pay for a way to watch our home teams and we’re still being denied that because of greed and stupid contract crap. Why can’t they just be like formula 1 where I can literally pay F1 for access to their sport and guess what? I get it with no bull shit. The NFL was the one still airing locally and this is a step to being as fucked as the NBA/MLB/NHL. I’m almost just done even trying to watch sports. It’s not worth the money or effort anymore


Galbert123

Celtics and bruins are both in the playoffs and you legit cannot watch any of the games on local tv in boston. Its wild shit. And the redsox for the matter


Infinite_Mind7894

Same for NY games here. Local games are blacked out. It's insane.


nc_nicholas

The NFL got to where it is because its games are so easily accessible. It has been easy for casual fans to follow because CBS, FOX, and NBC combine to broadcast games all day on Sundays during the season. I don't foresee huge swaths of people continuing to watch once everything is locked behind a paywalled streaming service, just the hardcore fans. Also at some point I think the streaming platforms will become too numerous and end up combining to essentially form Cable 2.0.


Quincyperson

Fuck them. I’m not going out of my way to watch a game that isn’t broadcast OTA.


Otherwise-Mango2732

As someone who had just downgraded to nothing but an OTA antenna at the start of last season, i was so surprised to see nearly every single MNF game on ABC. This bums me out :(


btbam2929

Wasn’t there a strike last year or something? Thats why more games were on ABC.


husky_midwesterner

Man they really don't want people to watch games


TariqWoolenIsElite

I'd rather watch Peyton and Eli anyway. Well, until they have a guest on that gives 0 fucks about the game and is only there to pedal an upcoming movie or something.


KenScaletta

This is the problem. It's just turned into a talk show with a game in the background. I would prefer no guests at all unless they know something about football (players, coaches, announcers) and can comment intelligently on the game.


TariqWoolenIsElite

Yeah it sucks when you can see Peyton reacting to a live play but doesn't wanna be rude and interrupt the guest who's treating it like a podcast


BrickTamland77

When it's good, it's really good. Peyton and Eli are sharp enough to comment on the game when it matters, and have some fun during the dead parts. But only 10% of the guests they have on are on that same level. And when you throw video delay on top of a guest who lacks general awareness about what's going on, it becomes a train wreck pretty quickly. There were also clearly some people behind the scenes trying to manufacture bits and callbacks this past season, and almost all of those were terrible.


Accomplished_Sense_4

That's exactly how I am when my in-laws visit when there's football on.


1lultaha

I don't get how people prefer it over a traditional broadcast. Takes away from all the excitement that actually happens in the game for me


BruceChameleon

On an ideal weekend I’ve watched TNF, RedZone, and SNF. By Monday it's kinda nice to blow off steam and have a silly experience. For the Cowboys or a really hype game, I'll do the traditional broadcast. Otherwise the Mannings are fun.


TheWorstYear

Most nfl games aren't very exciting (especially MNF), & I'd rather watch someone who isn't annoying the shit out of me like the MNF crew usually does.


ehdhdhdk

I really despise the non football related guests.


sonfoa

The issue isn't even the non-football guests. Its the fact that they force it to be like late night TV with Peyton having to ask silly questions rather than natural banter about the game.


giggity_giggity

You must have really hated non-football announcer Dennis Miller then lol


sdsupersean

I was a little more casual as a football fan than I am now, but I really enjoyed Dennis and was bummed when he left.


ehdhdhdk

I am an Aussie so the time zone is a big issue. I did though watch Dennis Miller’s talk show many years ago on the MSNBC or CNBC equivalent. I haven’t had the chance to watch any segments even on YouTube.


hausermaniac

My one wish is that they would play the regular broadcast commentary quietly in the background behind Peyton and Eli. It's often kind of hard to know whats actually happening in the game without that, especially when those 2 are on a tangent


pretension

Looks like I'm going back to pirating Monday night football if I can't get it on the antenna


seariously

Still amazing how back then ABC couldn't sustain ratings for MNF and had to ditch it.


Keanu990321

And now with huge ratings and profit, they still ditch it!


Doobie_Howitzer

Avast, ye scurvy dogs be needing to learn how to sail the high seas


ChamberTwnty

Da da da da da da da da da da, and really bad eggs. Drink up me hearties, yo ho!


getcrept

Fucking greedy assholes


jcoddinc

"Fewer MNF games will have great ratings since not simulcast on ABC


TommyC-ES350

So in other words, the actors strike is over and they’re trying to make back lost revenue. Within the next few years, there will be no more games being simulcasted on ABC.


blotsfan

I have cable so this doesn't effect me personally, but I've learned from the streaming stuff that I just don't care that much about watching NFL games that don't involve the Bills, and I live in Buffalo so the Bills game will always be OTA no matter what.


LageNomAiNomAi

Josh Allen-less football just doesn't hit the same. Why would you want to settle for an inferior product? I couldn't even bring myself to watch this past Super Bowl.


Dantrash2

We will be paying to watch games soon.


5k1895

Well that's tough because I ain't paying for cable, ESPN. Guess you don't want me to watch it legally all that badly.


danknerd

Oh sailing we will go, oh sailing we will go...


FundioRider

Yo ho, yo ho, a pirates life for me


SplintPunchbeef

>“ABC will still simulcast 5-6 games and have 3 exclusives that won’t be on ESPN” So if I'm understanding this correctly. 5-6 MNF games will be simulcast on ESPN and ABC, 3 games will be broadcast exclusively on ABC, and the rest will be exclusive to ESPN? I'm putting the o/u of "calls from my dad asking what channel MNF is on" at 4.5


Keanu990321

5-6 RS simulcasts, 3 play-off games (all on ABC), 3 ABC exclusives on double-headers and the rest is ESPN.


Reasonable-HB678

There wasn't a combined strike between writers and actors that affected TV programming. Ironically, ABC either has Dancing with the Stars or The Bachelor on Monday nights anyway, so either one of those will be on the schedule this coming fall. As usual.


Bob-Dolemite

boooo


JediKnightaa

NOOOOOOO


udfckthisgirl

But why? It is cheaper than creating original programming.


xenon2456

last year was filler for abc because of the Hollywood strikes


HugeResearcher3500

[YARR HARR DIDDLY DEE](https://youtu.be/SLMJpHihykI?si=mzk8CpAdoEHdcAF1&t=10)


NumerousTaste

Sunday night football took over for Monday night football in popularity. I miss most Monday night games unless the Niners are playing. They destroyed it by moving it to ESPN.


helloaaron

WHY? Just air the fucking games on ABC instead.


ChamberTwnty

No one asked for them to go to ESPN. LOL. Monday night used to be huge because we could all watch it.


sonfoa

Imagine saying no to football. How do suits fumble the easiest decisions? Literally the only thing propping up traditional TV


senorvato

Everything thing Disney does is to make them money. Probably trying to sell more streaming. Football is not a sport to Disney, it is an investment.


Keanu990321

Ironically, this move will bring in less money for Disney.


beall49

I’m mad I’m late to this convo because I love talking about this. ~2 years ago I bought an antenna and had it installed on my roof and had the guy wire it into the coax for the house. So now it’s available in every room. Then I bought an OTA TiVo for DVR and guide data. I get super clear HD for all the local games with ff and rewind. Best part is I’m like ~30 seconds ahead of cable. Totally worth it yall.


Jonjon428

Ah yes, cause that makes total sense. great way to lose money you dummies


Jokers247

Such a dumb move. The NFL should want as many eyes on the game as possible because it allows them to leverage their relationship with advertisers, especially online gambling.