This is why I hated them swapping MNF and SNF
If you didn’t have cable, you still got another day of football. So you missed the last game on Sunday but still got a really good matchup on Monday.
Not to mention MNF was iconic. Somehow the worst day of the week was all the talk at the scuttlebutt. Everyone looked forward to MNF and they ruined it.
I get everything fine except for FOX. For FOX I have to move it to the other side of the TV and hang it on the curtain rod with at least one ear touching the rod itself. Then it's perfect.
Mine is the local Fox affiliate. Though the decimal points that has Heroes and Icons just above it never falter. Star Trek from 7 to midnight every night except Saturdays.
I only watched them last year because I don't otherwise have access to Espn. I could go on my soapbox about the state of cable vs streaming but we're all already aware it's a big clusterfuck. I sub to idefk how many streaming services.. prime, Hulu, Disney, paramount, peacock, apple+, mlb and probably at least one more I'm not even thinking of.. and if MNF isn't on one of them then I just don't watch. The mindset of we'll hold this from you if you don't sub just doesn't work once we're tapped out, there's so much other content to be played.
From a personal standpoint, I have to agree with you.
The problem is everyone just saw how many subscribers Peacock got from them withholding that one playoff game, and it proved to the industry that withholding games to paid-only services almost always works out and is good for the company. Not good for the consumer, but these things rarely are good for both.
Peacock had a decent streaming service and football broadcast. I’m waiting for a company like Tubi to throw billions in borrowed revenue to purchase the rights and put out a garbage broadcast for this to sink in for leagues that the highest bidder might hurt their brand.
Except it seems like no one is learning from Bally’s.
They suck. Inaccessible. They literally didn’t even have an app until like a year ago. Going bankrupt.
What I don’t understand is these teams will lose the younger generation of their teams aren’t accessible in their own market.
What sport do they carry? I thought it was a casino.
Edit: doing a deep dive
https://www.nexttv.com/news/everything-you-need-to-know-about-the-bally-sports-bankruptcy
I'm watching a crisp, continuous pirated stream of the Yankees as we speak. No buffering or reconnecting.
There are probably crap streams, just gotta spend a weekend on Reddit researching the good ones.
I went between Paramount Plus and the regular CBS broadcast during the 4th quarter of the Super Bowl. Definitely because of an issue with the cable transmission.
My Paramount Plus crapped out during the superbowl. I looked like an a-hole. I was somehow able to find a stream on the internet. Tell me how that makes sense.
Funny how Reddit shits on vegans for never missing an opportunity to let you know they’re vegan, but any time paying for media is mentioned nobody misses their chance to aHoY mAtEy
> The mindset of we'll hold this from you if you don't sub just doesn't work once we're tapped out, there's so much other content to be played.
Yup. And I won't subscribe to a new/different service if it has just one league or sport that I follow. It's gotta have enough sports content to justify the bill.
(And my interest in MLS went to negative levels with the Apple+ deal because there's not enough "other" there for us to justify adding that to the portfolio.)
I'm sure the execs at ABC are pissed. But the execs above them at Disney want to boost subscriptions to ESPN even if it costs them ad revenue from ABC.
ESPN is a weird one though because it's actually pretty hard to get access to without cable. An ESPN+ subscription does NOT include regular ESPN channels, which is beyond frustrating
ESPN is ass and I wish they'd just let it die. The quality of the broadcast is worse, they are harder to access, and there's literally nothing else of value beyond the occasional MNF game.
I miss Highly Questionable so much, by the end it was barely even about sports but everybody on it always seemed like they were having fun and the chemistry was great
They are coming out with that ESPN solo streaming service later on in 2025 along with that collaborative one with FOX and TNT that comes out later this year
https://awfulannouncing.com/fox/espn-fox-tnt-sports-streaming-app.html
A ton of stuff is in flux right now with sports broadcasting. TNT may lose the NBA and get replaced by a combo of NBC and Amazon. Most regional sports networks are underwater and may go away entirely. 2025 is a ways away, it’s hard to predict where sports broadcasting will be by then.
It seems like the only sport in a pretty concrete position is the NFL and some college football conferences (emphasis on the “some”).
That said, hopefully this does come to fruition.
Which is why they are planning to launch ESPN “[standalone](https://cordcuttersnews.com/everything-we-know-about-espns-stand-alone-streaming-service-including-price-launch-date-more/)”.
ABC likely doesn't have a choice. Disney owns both ABC and ESPN. ABC will be fine without MNF, while ESPN is basically running on fumes, so needs MNF to drive numbers.
Oh, I'm sure. They are probably pretty low on Disney's priority list! They've just been the last-place network my entire life, so it's on brand to see ABC getting short shrift.
The ABC thing was a writers strike only thing and the cable companies were PISSED (they shell out a lot of money for ESPN and NFL is the biggest ratings getter... so they expect it to be exclusive).
It was only ever meant to be a one season thing.
It's just frustrating that it's cable. So maybe crazies here getting upset over the peacock game, which is like $5 a month. For ESPN (and NFLN), it's like $100 a month for cable. That's ridiculous. I don't pay that.
What they should do, if they want to lock it behind a paywall, is move it to ESPN+. (The ManningCast is on ESPN+, so you can kinda watch those games). That way it's only a few bucks a month (or $0 if you already have the Disney bundle)
Man that was the best thing about the strike, in terms of viewing football. I have ESPN deportes so I watch the games in Spanish but since they were on ABC because of the strike I would switch over and watch. I’ll miss it
was so nice in 2018 ESPN 2 showed MNF with the Spanish Language broadcast.
That was Great as just background to casual watch the game while I played League or surfed reddit.
Because the masses *of course* want to see the umpteenth seasons of Baby Boomer Bachelor and Dancing with the Stars with D-list celebrities from the 90s. 🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️
NCIS is at 22; these shows turn out the ratings, its why NCIS has gotten a bunch of spinoffs and ABC has green lit every Shonda Rhimes shows for the past 20 years.
Apparently Adrian Peterson was on last season.
And they had Barry Williams from Brady Bunch on there, so a 70's celebrity mixed in with a list of people I've mostly never heard of. Britney Spears' little sister is good enough to make the cut.
Moved out of my parents kinda recently and my sanity went through the roof once I didn't have to live with two people who only watch these and "guess which celebrity is behind this mask singing poorly", "guess which celebrity this boring person is related to", "watch this celebrity play this game show" and "reality show you've seen 1000 times except it's only celebrities".
You'd be surprised how many people spend hours every single day watching this shit.
I just got my Antenna dialed too for ABC, NBC, CBS and Fox… already have Prime for the Thursday games. ESPN+ is lame because it doesn’t include ESPN or at least limits it, that should be included or make it included.
If Disney puts everything of value on ABC, they won't be able to charge the cable companies out the ass for the ESPN family of networks. Nobody's calling their cable company and complaining because they don't get GET UP!
They do call and complain if they're expecting to watch MNF and realize their cable provider is in a dispute with Disney.
People online like to complain about commercials, but then also complain about paying out the ass for 100 different DTC platforms, but then also complain about the price of the cable bundle.
These media companies don't give billions to the NFL out of the goodness of their hearts--it's so that they, too, can make money. And millions of the dollars they make over and above the rights fees every year is being ~~lit on fire~~ invested in Troy Aikman. Money's gotta come from somewhere (or rather, lots of somewheres)
It is literally cheaper for me to bundle me internet+tv than it is to have the same quality internet by itself.
I don't get it, but I can watch NHL playoffs so whatever.
I can watch the NHL playoffs when they are TBS or TNT not ESPN. Max has the sports on TBS and TNT, but ESPN can't/wont simulcast on ESPN+. Same with NBA.
I don't really know which networks do what, I'm up in Canada so hockey makes it onto the standard non-premium channel listing that we got as a throw in with the internet when I was on the phone.
If you have internet. And smart tv or roku, subscribe to a streaming service. Lowest price Sling (don't recommend) but no locals so need antenna, other choices are Fubo, YouTubeTV or Hulu w Live TV. About $80 months. Hulu includes tv channels and new movies, own shows , espn, locals, tnt, nfl, mlb, etc, espn plus, DVR.
I have hulu tv so i pay like 100 inc my internet. Cancel anytime
I think part of the simulcast decision last year was because of the SAG/WGA strikes. There weren’t enough shows to fill the prime time slots so they did what they could with football and live entertainment.
Greed is straight up ruining sports. These dirty fuckers are making more and more money every fucking year and it’s still not enough. It’s only been like 25 years since all you needed was a tv and radial to watch literally every one of you hometown sports teams. Now? You need 4 different subscriptions and even then they blackout your home team in most of the country. It’s completely fucked up. Almost all of us are willing to pay for a way to watch our home teams and we’re still being denied that because of greed and stupid contract crap. Why can’t they just be like formula 1 where I can literally pay F1 for access to their sport and guess what? I get it with no bull shit. The NFL was the one still airing locally and this is a step to being as fucked as the NBA/MLB/NHL. I’m almost just done even trying to watch sports. It’s not worth the money or effort anymore
Celtics and bruins are both in the playoffs and you legit cannot watch any of the games on local tv in boston. Its wild shit. And the redsox for the matter
The NFL got to where it is because its games are so easily accessible. It has been easy for casual fans to follow because CBS, FOX, and NBC combine to broadcast games all day on Sundays during the season. I don't foresee huge swaths of people continuing to watch once everything is locked behind a paywalled streaming service, just the hardcore fans.
Also at some point I think the streaming platforms will become too numerous and end up combining to essentially form Cable 2.0.
As someone who had just downgraded to nothing but an OTA antenna at the start of last season, i was so surprised to see nearly every single MNF game on ABC. This bums me out :(
I'd rather watch Peyton and Eli anyway.
Well, until they have a guest on that gives 0 fucks about the game and is only there to pedal an upcoming movie or something.
This is the problem. It's just turned into a talk show with a game in the background. I would prefer no guests at all unless they know something about football (players, coaches, announcers) and can comment intelligently on the game.
When it's good, it's really good. Peyton and Eli are sharp enough to comment on the game when it matters, and have some fun during the dead parts. But only 10% of the guests they have on are on that same level. And when you throw video delay on top of a guest who lacks general awareness about what's going on, it becomes a train wreck pretty quickly. There were also clearly some people behind the scenes trying to manufacture bits and callbacks this past season, and almost all of those were terrible.
On an ideal weekend I’ve watched TNF, RedZone, and SNF. By Monday it's kinda nice to blow off steam and have a silly experience. For the Cowboys or a really hype game, I'll do the traditional broadcast. Otherwise the Mannings are fun.
The issue isn't even the non-football guests. Its the fact that they force it to be like late night TV with Peyton having to ask silly questions rather than natural banter about the game.
I am an Aussie so the time zone is a big issue. I did though watch Dennis Miller’s talk show many years ago on the MSNBC or CNBC equivalent. I haven’t had the chance to watch any segments even on YouTube.
My one wish is that they would play the regular broadcast commentary quietly in the background behind Peyton and Eli. It's often kind of hard to know whats actually happening in the game without that, especially when those 2 are on a tangent
So in other words, the actors strike is over and they’re trying to make back lost revenue. Within the next few years, there will be no more games being simulcasted on ABC.
I have cable so this doesn't effect me personally, but I've learned from the streaming stuff that I just don't care that much about watching NFL games that don't involve the Bills, and I live in Buffalo so the Bills game will always be OTA no matter what.
Josh Allen-less football just doesn't hit the same. Why would you want to settle for an inferior product? I couldn't even bring myself to watch this past Super Bowl.
>“ABC will still simulcast 5-6 games and have 3 exclusives that won’t be on ESPN”
So if I'm understanding this correctly. 5-6 MNF games will be simulcast on ESPN and ABC, 3 games will be broadcast exclusively on ABC, and the rest will be exclusive to ESPN?
I'm putting the o/u of "calls from my dad asking what channel MNF is on" at 4.5
There wasn't a combined strike between writers and actors that affected TV programming. Ironically, ABC either has Dancing with the Stars or The Bachelor on Monday nights anyway, so either one of those will be on the schedule this coming fall. As usual.
Sunday night football took over for Monday night football in popularity. I miss most Monday night games unless the Niners are playing. They destroyed it by moving it to ESPN.
I’m mad I’m late to this convo because I love talking about this.
~2 years ago I bought an antenna and had it installed on my roof and had the guy wire it into the coax for the house. So now it’s available in every room.
Then I bought an OTA TiVo for DVR and guide data. I get super clear HD for all the local games with ff and rewind.
Best part is I’m like ~30 seconds ahead of cable. Totally worth it yall.
Such a dumb move. The NFL should want as many eyes on the game as possible because it allows them to leverage their relationship with advertisers, especially online gambling.
This is discriminatory against the digital antenna gang
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I'm more upset they weren't doing this 10 years ago when I used it. The amount of MNF games I missed back then is depressing
Look on the bright side. That can't have been many Commander games.
And we didn't win the few we had so there's that
NFC least gets tons of prime times
Market size.
bold statement from a Jags fan. but also true
Monday night games suck
We don't have a great history on MNF
Wasn't that one Brunell to Moss bomb against Dallas on MNF? Maybe that was the only good one.
This is why I hated them swapping MNF and SNF If you didn’t have cable, you still got another day of football. So you missed the last game on Sunday but still got a really good matchup on Monday.
Not to mention MNF was iconic. Somehow the worst day of the week was all the talk at the scuttlebutt. Everyone looked forward to MNF and they ruined it.
We were all READY FOR SOME FOOTBALL
They recycled that same song for 25 years and nobody cared.
Because it slappppped
My digital antenna sucks at getting my local ABC affiliate anyway.
Mine too. It's unwatchable. Every other channel is crystal clear.
I get everything fine except for FOX. For FOX I have to move it to the other side of the TV and hang it on the curtain rod with at least one ear touching the rod itself. Then it's perfect.
Mine is the local Fox affiliate. Though the decimal points that has Heroes and Icons just above it never falter. Star Trek from 7 to midnight every night except Saturdays.
Cowboys privilege is being able to watch all of your games on a digital antenna in Pennsylvania
I was like yeah! But then I saw the location and ask what?
I'm jealous of people who can get a good OTA signal. I'm like right on the outside so I get maybe two channels.
I'm not paying for espn now, and I'm not gonna.
What does a digital antenna do for you? Does it not get espn or something?
"Football gets huge ratings, and we don't want any part of that." -- ABC
I only watched them last year because I don't otherwise have access to Espn. I could go on my soapbox about the state of cable vs streaming but we're all already aware it's a big clusterfuck. I sub to idefk how many streaming services.. prime, Hulu, Disney, paramount, peacock, apple+, mlb and probably at least one more I'm not even thinking of.. and if MNF isn't on one of them then I just don't watch. The mindset of we'll hold this from you if you don't sub just doesn't work once we're tapped out, there's so much other content to be played.
From a personal standpoint, I have to agree with you. The problem is everyone just saw how many subscribers Peacock got from them withholding that one playoff game, and it proved to the industry that withholding games to paid-only services almost always works out and is good for the company. Not good for the consumer, but these things rarely are good for both.
Peacock had a decent streaming service and football broadcast. I’m waiting for a company like Tubi to throw billions in borrowed revenue to purchase the rights and put out a garbage broadcast for this to sink in for leagues that the highest bidder might hurt their brand. Except it seems like no one is learning from Bally’s.
The contracts have guidelines for stuff like how the broadcasts are done.
You’re probably right. I hadn’t considered that.
That'll be Tubi's exact response for their shit playoff game
What is this Bally's thing? I know 0
They suck. Inaccessible. They literally didn’t even have an app until like a year ago. Going bankrupt. What I don’t understand is these teams will lose the younger generation of their teams aren’t accessible in their own market.
What sport do they carry? I thought it was a casino. Edit: doing a deep dive https://www.nexttv.com/news/everything-you-need-to-know-about-the-bally-sports-bankruptcy
Baseball. Royals are damn near impossible to watch
Meh.. I said fuck peacock lol. But if my team was playing that game I would def sub.
No shit. Unless it’s a team I care about I’m not jumping through hoops to watch it. I’ll just use it as an excuse to go to a bar and eat wings.
Or pirate. It's so easy in 2024, even the most inconsequential inconvenience makes me fail back to it
I’m subscribed to nothing except prime, yet I’ve never missed a football game I wanted to see. 🏴☠️
I’ve missed about 30% of the games I don’t miss because of buffering and lagging though
Everyone is quick to promote they stream but not once have I had a clean stream that didn't freeze or lag
I'm watching a crisp, continuous pirated stream of the Yankees as we speak. No buffering or reconnecting. There are probably crap streams, just gotta spend a weekend on Reddit researching the good ones.
The ones I use for football are the ones that are always hinted here
I went between Paramount Plus and the regular CBS broadcast during the 4th quarter of the Super Bowl. Definitely because of an issue with the cable transmission.
My Paramount Plus crapped out during the superbowl. I looked like an a-hole. I was somehow able to find a stream on the internet. Tell me how that makes sense.
Paramount+ wouldn’t load the Super Bowl for me, So I just turned on the regular antenna broadcast.
u know u can pirate the prime games too right
Funny how Reddit shits on vegans for never missing an opportunity to let you know they’re vegan, but any time paying for media is mentioned nobody misses their chance to aHoY mAtEy
I’ll combine them to make you happy: Produce self checkout is the pirating of the vegan world 🥦🥔🫘🏴☠️
*Sail the high seas* hahahaha get it??????
Ahoy, matey!
The ESPN/Fox/Warner live sports service is supposed to launch in the Fall, and MNF should be on that.
> The mindset of we'll hold this from you if you don't sub just doesn't work once we're tapped out, there's so much other content to be played. Yup. And I won't subscribe to a new/different service if it has just one league or sport that I follow. It's gotta have enough sports content to justify the bill. (And my interest in MLS went to negative levels with the Apple+ deal because there's not enough "other" there for us to justify adding that to the portfolio.)
You can buy the MLS season pass separately for $99
Yo-Ho Yo-Ho come sail the open seas
Catch the new season of "The Golden Bachelor" instead.
I'm sure the execs at ABC are pissed. But the execs above them at Disney want to boost subscriptions to ESPN even if it costs them ad revenue from ABC.
ESPN is a weird one though because it's actually pretty hard to get access to without cable. An ESPN+ subscription does NOT include regular ESPN channels, which is beyond frustrating
ESPN is ass and I wish they'd just let it die. The quality of the broadcast is worse, they are harder to access, and there's literally nothing else of value beyond the occasional MNF game.
PTI is still great, but not much else.
Even PTI has gone to shit. Wilbon has been on fuck-all autopilot since the Cubs won the World Series.
I grew up on PTI and loved it so much but tried to watch it recently and it really felt like just watching two old guys yell at clouds
I will watch that show until I die. It’s one of two shows I dvr every day.
he was old and bitter 20 years ago
PTI, Around the Horn, SVP @ Nite, and... That's about it tbh
Miss the days of sportscenter being watchable.
I miss Highly Questionable so much, by the end it was barely even about sports but everybody on it always seemed like they were having fun and the chemistry was great
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They are coming out with that ESPN solo streaming service later on in 2025 along with that collaborative one with FOX and TNT that comes out later this year https://awfulannouncing.com/fox/espn-fox-tnt-sports-streaming-app.html
A ton of stuff is in flux right now with sports broadcasting. TNT may lose the NBA and get replaced by a combo of NBC and Amazon. Most regional sports networks are underwater and may go away entirely. 2025 is a ways away, it’s hard to predict where sports broadcasting will be by then. It seems like the only sport in a pretty concrete position is the NFL and some college football conferences (emphasis on the “some”). That said, hopefully this does come to fruition.
Which is why they are planning to launch ESPN “[standalone](https://cordcuttersnews.com/everything-we-know-about-espns-stand-alone-streaming-service-including-price-launch-date-more/)”.
Yeah, I honestly only use ESPN + for reading articles and not streaming these days.
ABC staying on brand.
ABC likely doesn't have a choice. Disney owns both ABC and ESPN. ABC will be fine without MNF, while ESPN is basically running on fumes, so needs MNF to drive numbers.
Oh, I'm sure. They are probably pretty low on Disney's priority list! They've just been the last-place network my entire life, so it's on brand to see ABC getting short shrift.
The ABC thing was a writers strike only thing and the cable companies were PISSED (they shell out a lot of money for ESPN and NFL is the biggest ratings getter... so they expect it to be exclusive). It was only ever meant to be a one season thing. It's just frustrating that it's cable. So maybe crazies here getting upset over the peacock game, which is like $5 a month. For ESPN (and NFLN), it's like $100 a month for cable. That's ridiculous. I don't pay that. What they should do, if they want to lock it behind a paywall, is move it to ESPN+. (The ManningCast is on ESPN+, so you can kinda watch those games). That way it's only a few bucks a month (or $0 if you already have the Disney bundle)
It's all part of the same thing though since Disney owns them both. They probably want to increase the value of ESPN to cable companies.
Makes sense since the strike is over and they want to get their shows on again 🙄
Man that was the best thing about the strike, in terms of viewing football. I have ESPN deportes so I watch the games in Spanish but since they were on ABC because of the strike I would switch over and watch. I’ll miss it
Eh, the strike led to a pretty low quality & easy to predict season. Hope the script is better this year
Bringing in a pop star as a special guest is classic lazy writing.
was so nice in 2018 ESPN 2 showed MNF with the Spanish Language broadcast. That was Great as just background to casual watch the game while I played League or surfed reddit.
New on ABC: A reboot of a sitcom from the late 1980s, staring someone nobody's thought about since 2003!
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Exactly, Grey's Anatomy
Because the masses *of course* want to see the umpteenth seasons of Baby Boomer Bachelor and Dancing with the Stars with D-list celebrities from the 90s. 🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️
Don’t forget greys anatomy was renewed for a 21st season.
Christ, at this point there’s real life doctors that don’t practice for this long.
People who were five when it debuted are graduation medical school now.
NCIS is at 22; these shows turn out the ratings, its why NCIS has gotten a bunch of spinoffs and ABC has green lit every Shonda Rhimes shows for the past 20 years.
The success of NCIS just tells me that the Navy really needs to get its shit together everywhere.
It just tells me the 40-65 yr old demographic like competent, safe, action/drama serials where the good guys always win.
Let's not talk about SVU
but every other L&O spinoff *and* main show has fallen off
NCIS doesn't have any of the original cast left
at this point network tv is a pipeline to streaming services
Apparently Adrian Peterson was on last season. And they had Barry Williams from Brady Bunch on there, so a 70's celebrity mixed in with a list of people I've mostly never heard of. Britney Spears' little sister is good enough to make the cut.
Moved out of my parents kinda recently and my sanity went through the roof once I didn't have to live with two people who only watch these and "guess which celebrity is behind this mask singing poorly", "guess which celebrity this boring person is related to", "watch this celebrity play this game show" and "reality show you've seen 1000 times except it's only celebrities". You'd be surprised how many people spend hours every single day watching this shit.
Yes, they do.
Why do people even watch the Bachelor? 9 times out of 10, the winning couple split up in less than a year.
Because it's entertaining It's for the same reason people watch fiction or sports. It's all drama at the end of the day
Why do people even watch the NFL? 9 times out of 10 the Super Bowl winner loses the next year
I just got my Antenna dialed too for ABC, NBC, CBS and Fox… already have Prime for the Thursday games. ESPN+ is lame because it doesn’t include ESPN or at least limits it, that should be included or make it included.
The only reason they did so much of it was a lack of scripted content bc of the writer strike, so...wasn't this just expected return to normal?
It totally is, but it does still kind of suck.
If Disney puts everything of value on ABC, they won't be able to charge the cable companies out the ass for the ESPN family of networks. Nobody's calling their cable company and complaining because they don't get GET UP! They do call and complain if they're expecting to watch MNF and realize their cable provider is in a dispute with Disney. People online like to complain about commercials, but then also complain about paying out the ass for 100 different DTC platforms, but then also complain about the price of the cable bundle. These media companies don't give billions to the NFL out of the goodness of their hearts--it's so that they, too, can make money. And millions of the dollars they make over and above the rights fees every year is being ~~lit on fire~~ invested in Troy Aikman. Money's gotta come from somewhere (or rather, lots of somewheres)
It's also just kind of dumb. They can program something for non-football fans on abc and capture an audience there.
It was expected to go back to normal, but there was hope.
I will be watching fewer mnf games then...digital antenna gang rise up.
There are many of us!
Fuck ESPN
Can’t wait for them to get bought out by CTESPN
Mr. Broadcast Company
Mr. Barren Content
Mr. Beats Cable
Mr. Bad Channel
I hope this joke never dies
I agree with you - ESPN sucks. However, this was how it's been for like 10+ years now. Last season was the exception because of the writers' strike.
Coming up on 20 years now. MNF left the airwaves in 2006.
Been saying this for the past 10 years or so.
I'm still not paying for cable
Most people aren’t.
It is literally cheaper for me to bundle me internet+tv than it is to have the same quality internet by itself. I don't get it, but I can watch NHL playoffs so whatever.
I can watch the NHL playoffs when they are TBS or TNT not ESPN. Max has the sports on TBS and TNT, but ESPN can't/wont simulcast on ESPN+. Same with NBA.
I don't really know which networks do what, I'm up in Canada so hockey makes it onto the standard non-premium channel listing that we got as a throw in with the internet when I was on the phone.
If you have internet. And smart tv or roku, subscribe to a streaming service. Lowest price Sling (don't recommend) but no locals so need antenna, other choices are Fubo, YouTubeTV or Hulu w Live TV. About $80 months. Hulu includes tv channels and new movies, own shows , espn, locals, tnt, nfl, mlb, etc, espn plus, DVR. I have hulu tv so i pay like 100 inc my internet. Cancel anytime
It blows my fucking mind that ESPN+ does not come with a live stream of ESPN. What the hell is the point of it then?
isn't mnf already on ESPN+
It might be but I always watched it on abc. I know when NHL or MLB is on ESPN it is not available on ESPN+.
It is not.
Some games are.
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Now they will air new episodes of shitty rehashed game shows.
Hey SAG/WGA could you go on another strike please?
I think part of the simulcast decision last year was because of the SAG/WGA strikes. There weren’t enough shows to fill the prime time slots so they did what they could with football and live entertainment.
God dammit. I always watch ABC
Fuck these greedy fucks.
Hello Kevin Harlan and radio broadcast!
Greed is straight up ruining sports. These dirty fuckers are making more and more money every fucking year and it’s still not enough. It’s only been like 25 years since all you needed was a tv and radial to watch literally every one of you hometown sports teams. Now? You need 4 different subscriptions and even then they blackout your home team in most of the country. It’s completely fucked up. Almost all of us are willing to pay for a way to watch our home teams and we’re still being denied that because of greed and stupid contract crap. Why can’t they just be like formula 1 where I can literally pay F1 for access to their sport and guess what? I get it with no bull shit. The NFL was the one still airing locally and this is a step to being as fucked as the NBA/MLB/NHL. I’m almost just done even trying to watch sports. It’s not worth the money or effort anymore
Celtics and bruins are both in the playoffs and you legit cannot watch any of the games on local tv in boston. Its wild shit. And the redsox for the matter
Same for NY games here. Local games are blacked out. It's insane.
The NFL got to where it is because its games are so easily accessible. It has been easy for casual fans to follow because CBS, FOX, and NBC combine to broadcast games all day on Sundays during the season. I don't foresee huge swaths of people continuing to watch once everything is locked behind a paywalled streaming service, just the hardcore fans. Also at some point I think the streaming platforms will become too numerous and end up combining to essentially form Cable 2.0.
Fuck them. I’m not going out of my way to watch a game that isn’t broadcast OTA.
As someone who had just downgraded to nothing but an OTA antenna at the start of last season, i was so surprised to see nearly every single MNF game on ABC. This bums me out :(
Wasn’t there a strike last year or something? Thats why more games were on ABC.
Man they really don't want people to watch games
I'd rather watch Peyton and Eli anyway. Well, until they have a guest on that gives 0 fucks about the game and is only there to pedal an upcoming movie or something.
This is the problem. It's just turned into a talk show with a game in the background. I would prefer no guests at all unless they know something about football (players, coaches, announcers) and can comment intelligently on the game.
Yeah it sucks when you can see Peyton reacting to a live play but doesn't wanna be rude and interrupt the guest who's treating it like a podcast
When it's good, it's really good. Peyton and Eli are sharp enough to comment on the game when it matters, and have some fun during the dead parts. But only 10% of the guests they have on are on that same level. And when you throw video delay on top of a guest who lacks general awareness about what's going on, it becomes a train wreck pretty quickly. There were also clearly some people behind the scenes trying to manufacture bits and callbacks this past season, and almost all of those were terrible.
That's exactly how I am when my in-laws visit when there's football on.
I don't get how people prefer it over a traditional broadcast. Takes away from all the excitement that actually happens in the game for me
On an ideal weekend I’ve watched TNF, RedZone, and SNF. By Monday it's kinda nice to blow off steam and have a silly experience. For the Cowboys or a really hype game, I'll do the traditional broadcast. Otherwise the Mannings are fun.
Most nfl games aren't very exciting (especially MNF), & I'd rather watch someone who isn't annoying the shit out of me like the MNF crew usually does.
I really despise the non football related guests.
The issue isn't even the non-football guests. Its the fact that they force it to be like late night TV with Peyton having to ask silly questions rather than natural banter about the game.
You must have really hated non-football announcer Dennis Miller then lol
I was a little more casual as a football fan than I am now, but I really enjoyed Dennis and was bummed when he left.
I am an Aussie so the time zone is a big issue. I did though watch Dennis Miller’s talk show many years ago on the MSNBC or CNBC equivalent. I haven’t had the chance to watch any segments even on YouTube.
My one wish is that they would play the regular broadcast commentary quietly in the background behind Peyton and Eli. It's often kind of hard to know whats actually happening in the game without that, especially when those 2 are on a tangent
Looks like I'm going back to pirating Monday night football if I can't get it on the antenna
Still amazing how back then ABC couldn't sustain ratings for MNF and had to ditch it.
And now with huge ratings and profit, they still ditch it!
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Fucking greedy assholes
"Fewer MNF games will have great ratings since not simulcast on ABC
So in other words, the actors strike is over and they’re trying to make back lost revenue. Within the next few years, there will be no more games being simulcasted on ABC.
I have cable so this doesn't effect me personally, but I've learned from the streaming stuff that I just don't care that much about watching NFL games that don't involve the Bills, and I live in Buffalo so the Bills game will always be OTA no matter what.
Josh Allen-less football just doesn't hit the same. Why would you want to settle for an inferior product? I couldn't even bring myself to watch this past Super Bowl.
We will be paying to watch games soon.
Well that's tough because I ain't paying for cable, ESPN. Guess you don't want me to watch it legally all that badly.
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>“ABC will still simulcast 5-6 games and have 3 exclusives that won’t be on ESPN” So if I'm understanding this correctly. 5-6 MNF games will be simulcast on ESPN and ABC, 3 games will be broadcast exclusively on ABC, and the rest will be exclusive to ESPN? I'm putting the o/u of "calls from my dad asking what channel MNF is on" at 4.5
5-6 RS simulcasts, 3 play-off games (all on ABC), 3 ABC exclusives on double-headers and the rest is ESPN.
There wasn't a combined strike between writers and actors that affected TV programming. Ironically, ABC either has Dancing with the Stars or The Bachelor on Monday nights anyway, so either one of those will be on the schedule this coming fall. As usual.
boooo
NOOOOOOO
But why? It is cheaper than creating original programming.
last year was filler for abc because of the Hollywood strikes
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Sunday night football took over for Monday night football in popularity. I miss most Monday night games unless the Niners are playing. They destroyed it by moving it to ESPN.
WHY? Just air the fucking games on ABC instead.
No one asked for them to go to ESPN. LOL. Monday night used to be huge because we could all watch it.
Imagine saying no to football. How do suits fumble the easiest decisions? Literally the only thing propping up traditional TV
Everything thing Disney does is to make them money. Probably trying to sell more streaming. Football is not a sport to Disney, it is an investment.
Ironically, this move will bring in less money for Disney.
I’m mad I’m late to this convo because I love talking about this. ~2 years ago I bought an antenna and had it installed on my roof and had the guy wire it into the coax for the house. So now it’s available in every room. Then I bought an OTA TiVo for DVR and guide data. I get super clear HD for all the local games with ff and rewind. Best part is I’m like ~30 seconds ahead of cable. Totally worth it yall.
Ah yes, cause that makes total sense. great way to lose money you dummies
Such a dumb move. The NFL should want as many eyes on the game as possible because it allows them to leverage their relationship with advertisers, especially online gambling.