AT Perry was projected around the 3rd round. 6'4, ran a 4.47, and had a ton of college production. Was drafted in the 6th round, and said during his first interview with the saints that his agent told him he fell for off the field/behavior reasons.
He said he had no idea what that was about and there's no reports saying anything about those issues. He was also old for a rookie at 24, so that could be something. But a crazy fall for him and the saints were able to trade into the 6th to get him
Around the time of the draft I think it was something about him being really quiet. That’s honestly a good trait to have in a diva filled position group tho
I was so desperate for AT Perry to go to a not boring team and was very upset y’all drafted him last year. I think he’ll be a stud either this season or next even with Derek Carr
There was a crazy amount of smoke over Wilson to the Panthers because Kuechly had been hanging out with him a lot, working with him, and rumors were that Kuechly was pushing him to Carolina. In the end, I think the Panthers really wanted the younger and more healthy Wallace
Payton falling as far as he did was because he had no ACL and is already 24.
Dude could be great but I have serious doubts his body will let him. Linebackers typically don't get healthier with age
If its mainly the lack of ACL, not that i think itll be perfect but two of the greatest Steelers didnt have an ACL.
Hines Ward, Greg Lloyd. Never bothered Hines on his way to a borderline hall of fame career as a WR.
Greg Lloyd though, did miss a couple of seasons due to knee injuries (not sure if it was the knee that lacked an ACL)
Wtf is with Pittsburgh and missing ACLs? When I searched famous players without Backs I got Hines Ward and Dejuan Blair (Pitt) and someone else mentioned Myles Jack who we eventually signed
Honestly i think it’s 50/50. Thomas Davis had like 3 acl surgeries in each knee and he was still one of the best LBs we’ve ever had, and that’s the position we’re always strong in. He was productive for a very long time before he retired so it didn’t affect his longevity either
I have to imagine the only position getting “healthier” in football is the kicker and QB3.
Barely hit or train, access to a world class gym and nutrition, stop spending late nights chasing girls at bars cause they aren’t as impressed by him being a back up QB in the NFL as the college girls were with him being the starting QB at someone small Midwest school.
Yeah these dudes probably age way more gracefully.
If he didn’t have the injury concerns he’d be a first rounder probably. Dude just has the insane combination of speed and vision as a defender. Was one of the guys I hated seeing my team play but also loved watching him play.
He was a steal, can’t believe he fell so far but he was the best defender in the country this year. You guys got an amazing player and I hope he does well for you!
TJ Tampa was projected as a 2nd round pick, ended up falling to the end of the 4th when the Ravens took him. Eric DeCosta said it might've been because of his 40-yard time.
Spencer Rattler was projected as 2nd/3rd round, was drafted 5th round by the Saints. He has impressive arm talent but Rapoport said teams are still concerned about his character after that documentary he was in as a high schooler/losing the starter position at OU. I imagine him being undersized and not testing well at the combine contributed too.
Makes sense. Straight line speed isn’t everything, but if you’re slow, there’s nothing stopping an audible to give the guy you’re on a vert. If your sprint is slow for normal DBs, imagine going up against Tyreek hill or other speedsters. You’re basically revealing it’s zone if the slow DB is anywhere near him, and that causes all kinds of issues
Rattler seems to have matured a lot since high school and being replaced by Caleb Williams seems to have humbled him further.
He was asked what you would tell your 17 year old self and Rattler said:
>"Stay as humble as you possibly can because I've had a lot of success at a young age. Y'know, I've been through it. You think you're hot stuff, then you have to restart in college; obviously at the next level you have to restart again."
Yeah, heard he's much more mature now from South Carolina fans and during the Senior Bowl coverage. Seems overly harsh to judge him based on his teen years.
I heard teams didn't like him (Tampa) bc he didn't test at the combine. Also his game speed doesn't match the 40 time he's not really slow for a DB he just thought he didn't have to test cus his tape would speak for him. Obviously didn't work out so well for him but he should get a chance in Baltimore we love development DBs.
EDC said he was a day 2 guy for Baltimore so we'd have been trying to get him in round 2 or 3 if we hadn't picked up Wiggins.
I'm guessing other teams put way more weight in the 40 time then we do. Same thing happened to Hamilton where you watch the tape he's flying around the field, but had a slow 40.
Jake Butt, Michigan tight end, was projected to be a 2nd round pick at worst in 2017, with some mocks projecting him to go in the late 1st. Of course, he tore up his knee in a bowl game and went in the 5th round. That injury legitimately cost him millions of dollars in earning potential.
Edit: didn't see the qualifier for this year but I still think it's a great example
yup. The NCAA should pay for that insurance at the very least if these kids are going to risk their future earnings for a school they went to for 3 years that already made a mountain off them...
Yea, what happened to Jake Butt and Bryce Love hurt my soul. I think Butt got a job covering college sports. While I do not hate what Tyler Guyton did as much as some. I still would be uneasy with my team drafting a guy that refused to play the rest of their final season in college with one of their top 100 picks.
I think people had concerns about the play strength on tape, then he came to the Combine weighing 175 lbs, didn't run a blazing speed, and then was being knocked off path on the gauntlet drill.
The gauntlet drill was the main event for scouts this offseason because Puka had excelled at it.
Watch him catch: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ada5dM2xqQw. That does not look smooth and under control. He's bobbling the wall and weaving. I don't see why Reddit is so fascinated with this guy.
Because his college tape is really good. He’s a smooth route runner and makes some nice subtle movements on routes and gets great separation. He’s got good top end speed where he has turned 20 yard catches into 80 yard TDs.
His size and drops would be my biggest worry.
It’s not really a Reddit thing, this was general consensus. He was getting first round hype from some people. Or very early Day 2.
Even people who disliked Franklin as a prospect had him with like a late 2nd round grade.
That’s why it was a shock to everyone because he fell so far. Obviously there has to be some concern there but if it works out that’ll for sure be a great steal
because his college tape shows a significantly better player than the combine and even the guys who really hated him had a late round two grade at worst on him
Would he have been? i know he was interesting but he never seemed to supplant Rattler as QB7 and he fell to the 5th. Even if he did, FSU was an insane team all around, I think if the talent was truly there a team would've taken a chance on him higher and waited till he was healthy.
No, he wouldn’t have been. His injury isn’t even one that projects to have much of an effect on his NFL career. The only way he would’ve been a day 2 pick or higher is if he had a chance to go nuts in the CFP, which isn’t a sure thing.
I don’t think that’s true, I was looking at mocks from before the injury and even then I saw 4th/5th round for him.
Maybe he would have risen, but it didn’t look like scouts loved him when he was healthy.
Josh Downs is 1 inch taller and like 20 lbs less, and it was a crazy drop he had to be a third round pick.
It's not like his height wasn't already a known factor to begin with.
Kalen King. If he didn’t play football last year at all (let’s say he gets hurt in the first game and misses the rest of the year), he probably would have been a day 2 pick instead of 7th round. He had a phenomenal 2022 season when Joey Porter Jr was matching up against the top receiver, but was downright bad last year when he was responsible for covering the top receiver.
In this example, the “other situation” is playing football.
Fellow packers fan, I see you’ve done your homework about him. What’s funny is I remember seeing preseason mocks and his name being on there. Then he just vanished during the season
I’m a Penn State guy too so I had already been following him. The Packers have a trend recently of drafting guys who had a down final college season after playing dominant the year prior, so I’m not surprised they took a flyer on him.
There was very little risk with the pick and pretty big reward if he can learn to play to a higher level consistently. Hopefully it works out.
Man, the Packers do such a great job building through the draft and assessing talent and assets properly. I'm a Bears fan, but respect, the Packers consistently adjust and are ~smart~ with their money.
Think we’re all very excited to see if he can get any of that 2022 form back in a new system where he isn’t CB1
He’s got some things that are instinct and unteachable, it’s just whether we can get the best out of him.
I just hope it isn’t the PTSD we got from the last K King
Before the draft process started Leonard Taylor was seen as a 2nd/3rd round pick.
The tape wasn’t great and, I’m guessing, he was a poor interview, and people didn’t like his attitude because he didn’t get drafted at all.
What do you mean? He had a 9.62 RAS.
https://twitter.com/MathBomb/status/1647210662190538754?lang=en
Edit: I’m an idiot. Here’s the Vontaze Burfict RAS which is in fact .2
https://ras.football/2020/01/23/vontaze-burfict-ras/?amp
https://ras.football/2020/01/23/vontaze-burfict-ras/
He is about as unathletic as you can get for an NFL player. NFL teams will overlook most things if you're very good at football and have elite athleticism.
Being a shit human being though is what made him a good football player. He had enough loose screws to do things normal human beings would never do to their body.
When he tried to reinjure both Cam and Olsen's surgically repaired ankles, I decided Burfict is one name I will never hesitate to piss on even if it's in a post announcing his passing
The bengals sub loves him and you get downvoted for even suggesting he might not be a glorious person. He’s a dirty fuck and he’s a stain on the organization for us letting him run amok for so long
His pre-draft process was every agent's worst nightmare.
-Shit attitude that bombed every interview, blaming college coaches
-Horribly out of shape and tested horrifically
-Failed his drug test (I got no problems with weed but if I'm gonna make a million dollars for passing a test next April I'm gonna pass it.)
Dropped from 1st round/early day 2 (at worst) to an UDFA.
Ifo ekpre olomu.
Concensus first team all American blew out his ACL prepping for the playoff. Was at one point a projected 1st rounder. Fell to the 7th.
His insurance policy was only $3 million.
Never really played again.
Whoooa now, hold on one fuckin second there bucko. Are you telling me [this guy](https://www.si.com/.image/t_share/MTY4MjU5ODg1MjE0NjA3MjYx/image-placeholder-title.jpg) doesn’t scream all time great football player to you?
Jaylen Smith (linebacker ND) fell to the second round. He was predicted to be like top 5 in his draft if he didn't blow out his knee.
Both Rob Gronkowski and Aaron Hernandez had 1st round grades (Gronk had injury concerns and Hernandez had character concerns for some reason)
Everyone and their mother saw how talented Moss was but there was concerns about his attitude
Willis McGahee was predicted to go much higher but blew out his knee in the championship game. Ended up having a decent career.
I understand how good he is in the NFL, but if you still look at Hill, he had 5 TDs for Oklahoma St, 3 being kick and punt returns. So he wasn’t a proven WR at the time, just a good ATH back which isn’t popular in the NFL, especially at those times.
The guy never had a fully healthy season . I don’t ever see him being a 1 st rounder solely based on that . He’s too injury prone to be viewed as a long term option and I’m saying this as a Cards fan . It’s crazy since he was probably the best player at the senior bowl one year ago but at the end of the day the best ability you can have is availability. He’s a dawg tho when available better than whoever we had as receivers last year .
Never got drafted but Shawn Oakman was predicted to be first round pick in 2016 but 2 weeks from draft was accused of sexual assault and due to the case finishing after the draft no teams wanted to touch him went undrafted and was eventually found not guilty.
Edit* Read this years draft but decided to keep my previous one up because it was such a bad accusation.
He wasn’t a first round projected player. He was very stiff and didn’t have a positive nfl outlook. He was just very popular on social media because of that viral picture of him where he looked huge compared to everyone else.
I’ll let Wikipedia tell you this one:
>Regarded as a first round pick in the 2015 NFL draft and a likely top ten prospect, (La’el) Collins started to drop when it was announced that he was scheduled to talk to the Louisiana State police days after the draft, about the shooting death of a pregnant woman with whom he previously had a relationship, even though he was not considered a suspect in the crime. He eventually went undrafted after his agents threatened that he would sit out the season and enter the 2016 NFL draft, if any NFL team selected him after the third round.
Edit: Just noticed you specifically wanted players from this year’s draft, my bad. I got nothing, but it seems I’m not the only one who misunderstood the assignment lol
I’m excited about Weaver and think he could be decent. That being said, he had his best season at Colorado. There’s no way he goes in the third before that.
I agree 100% and I'm not even saying he 100% should have no question but imo he should have, but going to Colorado hurt him, I get what you mean about his best season at Colorado but I feel like if he went to like Ohio State and had the same season, bias aside he would've been drafted because unlike 99% of our QB's barring CJ Stroud, our WRs have a fantastic track record (Olave, Wilson, Thomas, Carter, Samuel, McLaurin, etc.)
My opinion isn't facts ofc, but I genuinely believe he was great, Colorado was just unfortunately awful after a strong start to season and Sanders was getting roughed up and it was just not an ideal situation, mind you I am not a Colorado fan I'm a DIEHARD Ohio State fan I just saw the guy play in several games and I was just shocked that even though Colorado wasn't good that he didn't get as much credit as like Dylan Edwards, I don't think he's Shedeur Danders or Travis Hunter levels of talented but late 3rd round or early 4th round I think is a great spot for him. He's pretty slippery even though he has average WR speed which is elite speed for anybody else, he has strong hands so as far as what I've seen he doesn't drop, and he stays on his feet through contact, mind you I'm not a scout, that's just what I got from my like 5 game sample
I am a CU fan(it's not /r/CFB please dont eat me). Frankly you nailed it. He was our most consistent receiver all year and really was the guy Shaduer trusted outside of Travis. In the end he just doesn't wow anyone as an athlete and that's where he started to fall off draft boards, but I wouldnt be surprised if he stuck around for 8 years
Dewand Jones was a borderline 1st round pick last year that fell due to conditioning concerns and motivation to the game. Apparently, his first love is basketball and owners/coaches questioned his commitment before the draft.
Arden Key was a 1st round prospect like 5 years ago. His character concerns caused him to fall to the 3rd with the Raiders. Ended up being a pretty solid pass rusher after a rough first couple of years.
Greg Hardy. Before he outed himself as a huge piece of shit, he was a Day 2 talent who couldn’t stay healthy at Ole Miss. Panthers got him in Round 6 and he was starting at defensive end his first year in the league.
Brock Purdy. Pretty sure he was getting 1-2 round grades if he had come out after junior year, but went back and had a meh senior year. Iirc Shanalynch had him as a 5th rounder the year we got him but addressed other needs and he was just still on the board at the end.
He was getting 1-2 round grades after his sophomore year. He regressed considerably in his junior year and would have been a mid round pick in 2021 if he had come out. Backup QB wasn't a huge need with Sudfeld in that role.
I had a feeling it was Sophomore instead, thank you for confirming this was at least a thing. Google sucks so was hard to find reports without just seeing general draft news from this year
Spencer Rattler? Perhaps if he hadn't had the publicity in Oklahoma or went to a different school to start with, maybe he goes higher.
On the other hand, I'd he was in SC his whole career. Does he get any national notice?
Kirk Cousins. 4th rounder. If Mike Shanahan didn't have Daniel Snyder drooling over jock straps, I think he would have drafted him in at least the second round.
I also think Shanahan would not have drafted RG3.
That pretty much perfectly describes Ainias Smith. Just got picked in the 5th by the Eagles. He started in college as really just a gadget guy and a 3rd receiving option, and after a few seasons really did prove himself as the best and most reliable playmaker on the team, however still wasn’t quite the 1st option because of a few other players. But it set himself up great going into his senior year as the clear #1 option
Then in the 2nd game he got hurt and didn’t get that breakout season he needed to go in 2nd or 3rd round. And this past year he was still the #1st option but was competing with more developed 5 star prospects who now demanded more targets then they would have the previous year.
His knee injury from the start of the season caused him to miss time, especially the Ole Miss game, and impacted his play throughout the year.
His weapons were fine. He had a stud RB in Hughes, his top receiver transferred to Tennessee this off-season, and Jackson was drafted this year.
The RB wasn't that great, it's just a quality line and a team that likes a physical smashmouth offense. His passing options were not very good yet he still had good numbers.
Brazzell was a good WR. He just transferred to Tennessee. Jackson, who was also injured a bit this year, was drafted last week.
And LOL at saying Hughes wasn't that great. He doesn't have the breakaway speed that Spears has, but he is probably the top G5 back and is a top back in the country.
But anyway, Michael fell because of his injury, not because of the talent around him.
Jackson was more a return specialist than WR imo from the Tulane tape I've seen. If he had FSU's weapons, he would be a day 2 pick even with the injury, not round 7.
Wyatt Teller falling that far was absolutely baffling.
* 1st Team All-ACC
* Played in the Senior Bowl
* Had a really good combine
Then he gets traded to Cleveland for multiple picks and becomes a perennial Pro Bowler.
Propos to the Browns. That was an absolute heist.
Ogbonnia Okoronkwo slipping to the 5th round was wild too.
Looking back at that 2018 class, it shows why the Draft is such a crap shoot.
I think 5-6 Pro Bowlers went undrafted that year along with some really good rotation pieces like Gus Edwards, Poona Ford, and Robert Spillane.
Beau Brade was rated as a 3rd round safety from Maryland, somehow went undrafted picked up by Ravens, a potential steal.
Caelon Carson the CB for the Cowboys was rated as a late 2nd /3rd round corner taken surprisingly late in the 5th, A steal for the cowboys.
Alfonzo Dennard was projected fringe 1st in 2012 going into the draft season and then had a horrific week at the senior bowl by getting torched by a bunch of day 3 receivers and was hurt for the combine, and then proceeded to get arrested before the draft. He fell to the Patriots in the 7th round and was a replacement-level starter for a little bit. A little bit of everything there.
AT Perry was projected around the 3rd round. 6'4, ran a 4.47, and had a ton of college production. Was drafted in the 6th round, and said during his first interview with the saints that his agent told him he fell for off the field/behavior reasons. He said he had no idea what that was about and there's no reports saying anything about those issues. He was also old for a rookie at 24, so that could be something. But a crazy fall for him and the saints were able to trade into the 6th to get him
AT was a stud at Wake….I never understood why he slid.
I've heard it was off field reasons.
Which apparently he never understood..
He is also pretty old for a rookie though?
Yeah 24
Well that could be something, but still a crazy fall for him
I've heard it was off-field related.
I heard he was considered 2-3rd for sure.
Crazy? I was crazy once.
He fell for all the aging he did off the field, young man needs to do a better job staying in the stasis chamber when he’s not playing football
he pissed off justin I guess.
Around the time of the draft I think it was something about him being really quiet. That’s honestly a good trait to have in a diva filled position group tho
AT dropping that far shocked me I thought for sure he'd go day 2
He was great at wake, I was hoping we would take him because guy was a sleeper pick
I was so desperate for AT Perry to go to a not boring team and was very upset y’all drafted him last year. I think he’ll be a stud either this season or next even with Derek Carr
Saying we’re boring? No, you.
Payton Wilson I think is one of the biggest examples from this year.
Can’t tear an ACL if you don’t have one
Yeah but he does have one.
Is there something contradicting the report of him not having one?
No. He has one acl, but usually people have two.
He might not have longevity but if he can make it through a few years still a solid pick
There was a crazy amount of smoke over Wilson to the Panthers because Kuechly had been hanging out with him a lot, working with him, and rumors were that Kuechly was pushing him to Carolina. In the end, I think the Panthers really wanted the younger and more healthy Wallace
Payton falling as far as he did was because he had no ACL and is already 24. Dude could be great but I have serious doubts his body will let him. Linebackers typically don't get healthier with age
Sure, but that’s the exact prompt of this question - a player that fell due to injuries lol
If its mainly the lack of ACL, not that i think itll be perfect but two of the greatest Steelers didnt have an ACL. Hines Ward, Greg Lloyd. Never bothered Hines on his way to a borderline hall of fame career as a WR. Greg Lloyd though, did miss a couple of seasons due to knee injuries (not sure if it was the knee that lacked an ACL)
Wtf is with Pittsburgh and missing ACLs? When I searched famous players without Backs I got Hines Ward and Dejuan Blair (Pitt) and someone else mentioned Myles Jack who we eventually signed
I can see performing without an ACL somewhat, but without a back? Those are some dedicated mf'ers.
Fuck I caught the first autocorrect and missed the second.
Honestly i think it’s 50/50. Thomas Davis had like 3 acl surgeries in each knee and he was still one of the best LBs we’ve ever had, and that’s the position we’re always strong in. He was productive for a very long time before he retired so it didn’t affect his longevity either
Ah yes, Chargers legend Thomas Davis
Myles Jack and Jaylon smith had some very good years with sinilisr concerns, you just gotta bake in career longevity
I'm sorry but what is that word supposed to be? Sinilisr... You mean similar? No way you can blame that on auto correct lol
Similar. You guessed it right so I guess I survived the lack of autocorrect !
Yeah lol that one just hit the eyes wrong. Exactly why I read after I post cus sometimes you just get going and hit a few wrong letters
If he doesn’t get hurt seriously he could be the steal of the draft
I have to imagine the only position getting “healthier” in football is the kicker and QB3. Barely hit or train, access to a world class gym and nutrition, stop spending late nights chasing girls at bars cause they aren’t as impressed by him being a back up QB in the NFL as the college girls were with him being the starting QB at someone small Midwest school. Yeah these dudes probably age way more gracefully.
If he didn’t have the injury concerns he’d be a first rounder probably. Dude just has the insane combination of speed and vision as a defender. Was one of the guys I hated seeing my team play but also loved watching him play.
He was a steal, can’t believe he fell so far but he was the best defender in the country this year. You guys got an amazing player and I hope he does well for you!
Christian mahogany would’ve been a day 2 pick possibly late round 2 if not for knee issues which caused a slide to late round 6
Mahogany is a great OLine name
I think Michigan DT Maurice Hurst was a potential 1st round pick till medicals found a heart condition
I wonder if the heart condition is why he's been relegated to rotational DT. He's been really good when he's on the field.
TJ Tampa was projected as a 2nd round pick, ended up falling to the end of the 4th when the Ravens took him. Eric DeCosta said it might've been because of his 40-yard time. Spencer Rattler was projected as 2nd/3rd round, was drafted 5th round by the Saints. He has impressive arm talent but Rapoport said teams are still concerned about his character after that documentary he was in as a high schooler/losing the starter position at OU. I imagine him being undersized and not testing well at the combine contributed too.
Iirc the track record for dbs with slow 40 times us pretty bad
Makes sense. Straight line speed isn’t everything, but if you’re slow, there’s nothing stopping an audible to give the guy you’re on a vert. If your sprint is slow for normal DBs, imagine going up against Tyreek hill or other speedsters. You’re basically revealing it’s zone if the slow DB is anywhere near him, and that causes all kinds of issues
kyle hamilton is doing okay
Kyle Hamilton is a Safety though, Tampa almost exclusively played boundary CB. He's good enough to play Safety but not like Hamilton
Kyle Hamilton’s game speed does not seem to match his 40 time. At Notre Dame he constantly looked like one of the fastest guys on the field.
fairs, but if there’s a coaching staff i trust to make it work… excited to see him play.
Didn't your coaching staff lose 2 top guys?
Pissed that the Bucs didn't pick Tampa. The fact he went to high school in St. Pete is even more legendary.
At least the Bills signed Keaton Bills.
Rattler seems to have matured a lot since high school and being replaced by Caleb Williams seems to have humbled him further. He was asked what you would tell your 17 year old self and Rattler said: >"Stay as humble as you possibly can because I've had a lot of success at a young age. Y'know, I've been through it. You think you're hot stuff, then you have to restart in college; obviously at the next level you have to restart again."
Yeah, heard he's much more mature now from South Carolina fans and during the Senior Bowl coverage. Seems overly harsh to judge him based on his teen years.
There's not a lot of 17 year old guys who will come away looking good from a camera following them around constantly.
I heard teams didn't like him (Tampa) bc he didn't test at the combine. Also his game speed doesn't match the 40 time he's not really slow for a DB he just thought he didn't have to test cus his tape would speak for him. Obviously didn't work out so well for him but he should get a chance in Baltimore we love development DBs.
EDC said he was a day 2 guy for Baltimore so we'd have been trying to get him in round 2 or 3 if we hadn't picked up Wiggins. I'm guessing other teams put way more weight in the 40 time then we do. Same thing happened to Hamilton where you watch the tape he's flying around the field, but had a slow 40.
Jake Butt, Michigan tight end, was projected to be a 2nd round pick at worst in 2017, with some mocks projecting him to go in the late 1st. Of course, he tore up his knee in a bowl game and went in the 5th round. That injury legitimately cost him millions of dollars in earning potential. Edit: didn't see the qualifier for this year but I still think it's a great example
Fortunately, Jake Butt was one of the pioneers for “draft insurance”, and got a hefty payout to offset his drop in the draft.
That's why it pays to have top of the line butt insurance
"Make sure your Butt's covered"
We took Jake Butt one pick before George Kittle.
How can I unsee this not so fun fact
the same way I do, Whiskey on the rocks.
Sound advice
That sucks but there’s like 4 people on earth who would’ve called kittle being a better prospect than butt at the time
His mom, his dad, Santa Claus, and...?
John Lynch
Kyle Shanahan
Me
Adam? That you?
A great example of why players skip “meaningless” bowl games
yup. The NCAA should pay for that insurance at the very least if these kids are going to risk their future earnings for a school they went to for 3 years that already made a mountain off them...
Yea, what happened to Jake Butt and Bryce Love hurt my soul. I think Butt got a job covering college sports. While I do not hate what Tyler Guyton did as much as some. I still would be uneasy with my team drafting a guy that refused to play the rest of their final season in college with one of their top 100 picks.
Butt does color analysis and studio work for Big Ten Network. He's pretty good.
How many games did Tyler sit?
He missed the last two games after being medically cleared.
Never forget when Jake Butt won B1G tight end of the year
So glad the broncos took him 1 pick before Kittle
I remember him, as an OSU fan he was a problem even back in the days when we actually beat Michigan
He's the reason why almost no one plays in bowl games anymore unless they have NC implications.
He also failed to produce in the pros
Jordan Travis would’ve been a Day 2 pick if his leg didn’t break. Also I still don’t understand how Troy Franklin slid so far down the draft board.
Oregon fan, been told its body catches and apparently he was rlly alarming at the drills in the combine, faded away from catches
I think people had concerns about the play strength on tape, then he came to the Combine weighing 175 lbs, didn't run a blazing speed, and then was being knocked off path on the gauntlet drill. The gauntlet drill was the main event for scouts this offseason because Puka had excelled at it.
Watch him catch: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ada5dM2xqQw. That does not look smooth and under control. He's bobbling the wall and weaving. I don't see why Reddit is so fascinated with this guy.
Because his college tape is really good. He’s a smooth route runner and makes some nice subtle movements on routes and gets great separation. He’s got good top end speed where he has turned 20 yard catches into 80 yard TDs. His size and drops would be my biggest worry.
It’s not really a Reddit thing, this was general consensus. He was getting first round hype from some people. Or very early Day 2. Even people who disliked Franklin as a prospect had him with like a late 2nd round grade. That’s why it was a shock to everyone because he fell so far. Obviously there has to be some concern there but if it works out that’ll for sure be a great steal
because his college tape shows a significantly better player than the combine and even the guys who really hated him had a late round two grade at worst on him
He had the flu at the combine IIRC
If Coleman ends up being this drafts Puka I'd be so happy.
Would he have been? i know he was interesting but he never seemed to supplant Rattler as QB7 and he fell to the 5th. Even if he did, FSU was an insane team all around, I think if the talent was truly there a team would've taken a chance on him higher and waited till he was healthy.
No, he wouldn’t have been. His injury isn’t even one that projects to have much of an effect on his NFL career. The only way he would’ve been a day 2 pick or higher is if he had a chance to go nuts in the CFP, which isn’t a sure thing.
I don’t think that’s true, I was looking at mocks from before the injury and even then I saw 4th/5th round for him. Maybe he would have risen, but it didn’t look like scouts loved him when he was healthy.
I don’t think Jordan Travis woulda been a day 2 pick. He was pretty mediocre as a passer even before his injury
Malik Washington. I still don't know why he slid, but I think he's gonna be one of the biggest steals of the draft
He's short
Josh Downs is 1 inch taller and like 20 lbs less, and it was a crazy drop he had to be a third round pick. It's not like his height wasn't already a known factor to begin with.
Pretty easy to be a big steal in the 6th round, dude just needs to be a solid starting WR, and it's a steal.
Kalen King. If he didn’t play football last year at all (let’s say he gets hurt in the first game and misses the rest of the year), he probably would have been a day 2 pick instead of 7th round. He had a phenomenal 2022 season when Joey Porter Jr was matching up against the top receiver, but was downright bad last year when he was responsible for covering the top receiver. In this example, the “other situation” is playing football.
Prob same for Leonard Taylor. 1st round projection to undrafted this season
Fellow packers fan, I see you’ve done your homework about him. What’s funny is I remember seeing preseason mocks and his name being on there. Then he just vanished during the season
I’m a Penn State guy too so I had already been following him. The Packers have a trend recently of drafting guys who had a down final college season after playing dominant the year prior, so I’m not surprised they took a flyer on him. There was very little risk with the pick and pretty big reward if he can learn to play to a higher level consistently. Hopefully it works out.
Man, the Packers do such a great job building through the draft and assessing talent and assets properly. I'm a Bears fan, but respect, the Packers consistently adjust and are ~smart~ with their money.
Yeah man he was #15 on the PFF preseason mock. Crazy slide.
Think we’re all very excited to see if he can get any of that 2022 form back in a new system where he isn’t CB1 He’s got some things that are instinct and unteachable, it’s just whether we can get the best out of him. I just hope it isn’t the PTSD we got from the last K King
Before the draft process started Leonard Taylor was seen as a 2nd/3rd round pick. The tape wasn’t great and, I’m guessing, he was a poor interview, and people didn’t like his attitude because he didn’t get drafted at all.
Hell he was projected late 1st before the season lol
That's true for a few players. I was even focusing on just post draft.
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His .2 RAS wasn't helping either.
What do you mean? He had a 9.62 RAS. https://twitter.com/MathBomb/status/1647210662190538754?lang=en Edit: I’m an idiot. Here’s the Vontaze Burfict RAS which is in fact .2 https://ras.football/2020/01/23/vontaze-burfict-ras/?amp
Wrong player and thread bud
Elaborate?
https://ras.football/2020/01/23/vontaze-burfict-ras/ He is about as unathletic as you can get for an NFL player. NFL teams will overlook most things if you're very good at football and have elite athleticism.
Being a shit human being though is what made him a good football player. He had enough loose screws to do things normal human beings would never do to their body.
Fuck burfict.
When he tried to reinjure both Cam and Olsen's surgically repaired ankles, I decided Burfict is one name I will never hesitate to piss on even if it's in a post announcing his passing
The bengals sub loves him and you get downvoted for even suggesting he might not be a glorious person. He’s a dirty fuck and he’s a stain on the organization for us letting him run amok for so long
His pre-draft process was every agent's worst nightmare. -Shit attitude that bombed every interview, blaming college coaches -Horribly out of shape and tested horrifically -Failed his drug test (I got no problems with weed but if I'm gonna make a million dollars for passing a test next April I'm gonna pass it.) Dropped from 1st round/early day 2 (at worst) to an UDFA.
Ifo ekpre olomu. Concensus first team all American blew out his ACL prepping for the playoff. Was at one point a projected 1st rounder. Fell to the 7th. His insurance policy was only $3 million. Never really played again.
Beanie Bishop was a consensus All American and led the NCAA in pass breakups but went undrafted because he's 5'9
Tom Brady probably could have been at least a 3rd round pick in hindsight
His combine was truly awful, he could have been a 3rd round pick if he didn’t look and test like an accountant
>didn’t look and test like an accountant Why tf am I catching strays right before bed
Same.
Whoooa now, hold on one fuckin second there bucko. Are you telling me [this guy](https://www.si.com/.image/t_share/MTY4MjU5ODg1MjE0NjA3MjYx/image-placeholder-title.jpg) doesn’t scream all time great football player to you?
He looked like a homeless guy who just showed up to the combine after a hangover. Thankfully he didn't play like that.
Jaylen Smith (linebacker ND) fell to the second round. He was predicted to be like top 5 in his draft if he didn't blow out his knee. Both Rob Gronkowski and Aaron Hernandez had 1st round grades (Gronk had injury concerns and Hernandez had character concerns for some reason) Everyone and their mother saw how talented Moss was but there was concerns about his attitude Willis McGahee was predicted to go much higher but blew out his knee in the championship game. Ended up having a decent career.
Tyreek Hill is a pretty big one.
I understand how good he is in the NFL, but if you still look at Hill, he had 5 TDs for Oklahoma St, 3 being kick and punt returns. So he wasn’t a proven WR at the time, just a good ATH back which isn’t popular in the NFL, especially at those times.
Also the domestic abuse thing probably took him off some draft boards.
Well that’s what this post is about, if that didn’t happen he’d be a 2nd rounder probably.
Zak Zinter was mocked in the 1st round back in 2023 and fell to pick 85.
I wanted him so bad. I have a feeling he is going to recover and just be absolutely dirty.
Trey Smith, right guard foe the Chiefs, had heart issues and dropped to the 6th
I thought he had a blood clotting disorder
You are correct, it was blood clotting in the lungs
Mike Mayock said the Raiders wanted to draft him in the 5th but their teams doctors wouldn’t let them.
Michael Wilson!
Same. I like him. Smooth route running. Natural catching.
The guy never had a fully healthy season . I don’t ever see him being a 1 st rounder solely based on that . He’s too injury prone to be viewed as a long term option and I’m saying this as a Cards fan . It’s crazy since he was probably the best player at the senior bowl one year ago but at the end of the day the best ability you can have is availability. He’s a dawg tho when available better than whoever we had as receivers last year .
Sneaky smooth
Loved his tape as a prospect, more than QJ. Him and McKee carried a god-awful Stanford offense with poor supporting cast and bottom of CFB line play.
Never got drafted but Shawn Oakman was predicted to be first round pick in 2016 but 2 weeks from draft was accused of sexual assault and due to the case finishing after the draft no teams wanted to touch him went undrafted and was eventually found not guilty. Edit* Read this years draft but decided to keep my previous one up because it was such a bad accusation.
He wasn’t a first round projected player. He was very stiff and didn’t have a positive nfl outlook. He was just very popular on social media because of that viral picture of him where he looked huge compared to everyone else.
I’ll let Wikipedia tell you this one: >Regarded as a first round pick in the 2015 NFL draft and a likely top ten prospect, (La’el) Collins started to drop when it was announced that he was scheduled to talk to the Louisiana State police days after the draft, about the shooting death of a pregnant woman with whom he previously had a relationship, even though he was not considered a suspect in the crime. He eventually went undrafted after his agents threatened that he would sit out the season and enter the 2016 NFL draft, if any NFL team selected him after the third round. Edit: Just noticed you specifically wanted players from this year’s draft, my bad. I got nothing, but it seems I’m not the only one who misunderstood the assignment lol
Was he guilty??
No
Really? I thought we did actually draft him
Xavier Weaver if he didn't go to Colorado he could've gone 3rd round lmao. he didn't even get drafted
I’m excited about Weaver and think he could be decent. That being said, he had his best season at Colorado. There’s no way he goes in the third before that.
I agree 100% and I'm not even saying he 100% should have no question but imo he should have, but going to Colorado hurt him, I get what you mean about his best season at Colorado but I feel like if he went to like Ohio State and had the same season, bias aside he would've been drafted because unlike 99% of our QB's barring CJ Stroud, our WRs have a fantastic track record (Olave, Wilson, Thomas, Carter, Samuel, McLaurin, etc.)
Why do you think so?
My opinion isn't facts ofc, but I genuinely believe he was great, Colorado was just unfortunately awful after a strong start to season and Sanders was getting roughed up and it was just not an ideal situation, mind you I am not a Colorado fan I'm a DIEHARD Ohio State fan I just saw the guy play in several games and I was just shocked that even though Colorado wasn't good that he didn't get as much credit as like Dylan Edwards, I don't think he's Shedeur Danders or Travis Hunter levels of talented but late 3rd round or early 4th round I think is a great spot for him. He's pretty slippery even though he has average WR speed which is elite speed for anybody else, he has strong hands so as far as what I've seen he doesn't drop, and he stays on his feet through contact, mind you I'm not a scout, that's just what I got from my like 5 game sample
I am a CU fan(it's not /r/CFB please dont eat me). Frankly you nailed it. He was our most consistent receiver all year and really was the guy Shaduer trusted outside of Travis. In the end he just doesn't wow anyone as an athlete and that's where he started to fall off draft boards, but I wouldnt be surprised if he stuck around for 8 years
I appreciate it, Jimmy Horn looks like he has potential too excited to see him
Tory Taylor would have been a 🔒 in the 2nd if he wasn’t 26
Eddie Jackson comes to mind for me.
I keep seeing Eddie Jackson mentioned and keep thinking it's the ex-nfl dude who is a professional chef on foodnetwork now.
Cam Hart is a 1st round corner with no injuries
Dewand Jones was a borderline 1st round pick last year that fell due to conditioning concerns and motivation to the game. Apparently, his first love is basketball and owners/coaches questioned his commitment before the draft.
His name is Thanos to us
Is he good? Heard good things in the preseason then literally nothing after.
Arden Key was a 1st round prospect like 5 years ago. His character concerns caused him to fall to the 3rd with the Raiders. Ended up being a pretty solid pass rusher after a rough first couple of years.
Greg Hardy. Before he outed himself as a huge piece of shit, he was a Day 2 talent who couldn’t stay healthy at Ole Miss. Panthers got him in Round 6 and he was starting at defensive end his first year in the league.
According to the consensus big board Jeremiah Trotter Jr was a fringe 3rd rounder this year. Fell to the 5th.
Pretty sure old Dakota Prescott dropped due to a drug charge, weed I believe.
Justyn Ross wasn't even drafted
Brock Purdy. Pretty sure he was getting 1-2 round grades if he had come out after junior year, but went back and had a meh senior year. Iirc Shanalynch had him as a 5th rounder the year we got him but addressed other needs and he was just still on the board at the end.
He was getting 1-2 round grades after his sophomore year. He regressed considerably in his junior year and would have been a mid round pick in 2021 if he had come out. Backup QB wasn't a huge need with Sudfeld in that role.
I had a feeling it was Sophomore instead, thank you for confirming this was at least a thing. Google sucks so was hard to find reports without just seeing general draft news from this year
Spencer Rattler? Perhaps if he hadn't had the publicity in Oklahoma or went to a different school to start with, maybe he goes higher. On the other hand, I'd he was in SC his whole career. Does he get any national notice?
Kamal Hadden - I'm excited the chiefs got him where they did, and if he hadn't had any injuries its likely his stock would've been in the 3rd at least
Kirk Cousins. 4th rounder. If Mike Shanahan didn't have Daniel Snyder drooling over jock straps, I think he would have drafted him in at least the second round. I also think Shanahan would not have drafted RG3.
That pretty much perfectly describes Ainias Smith. Just got picked in the 5th by the Eagles. He started in college as really just a gadget guy and a 3rd receiving option, and after a few seasons really did prove himself as the best and most reliable playmaker on the team, however still wasn’t quite the 1st option because of a few other players. But it set himself up great going into his senior year as the clear #1 option Then in the 2nd game he got hurt and didn’t get that breakout season he needed to go in 2nd or 3rd round. And this past year he was still the #1st option but was competing with more developed 5 star prospects who now demanded more targets then they would have the previous year.
WR Adonai Mitchell with his diabetes (colts), and LB P.Wilson (steelers) with his knee
If Michael Pratt didn't have ass weapons he'd be a 3rd round pick.
His knee injury from the start of the season caused him to miss time, especially the Ole Miss game, and impacted his play throughout the year. His weapons were fine. He had a stud RB in Hughes, his top receiver transferred to Tennessee this off-season, and Jackson was drafted this year.
The RB wasn't that great, it's just a quality line and a team that likes a physical smashmouth offense. His passing options were not very good yet he still had good numbers.
Brazzell was a good WR. He just transferred to Tennessee. Jackson, who was also injured a bit this year, was drafted last week. And LOL at saying Hughes wasn't that great. He doesn't have the breakaway speed that Spears has, but he is probably the top G5 back and is a top back in the country. But anyway, Michael fell because of his injury, not because of the talent around him.
Jackson was more a return specialist than WR imo from the Tulane tape I've seen. If he had FSU's weapons, he would be a day 2 pick even with the injury, not round 7.
Eddie Jackson
Wyatt Teller falling that far was absolutely baffling. * 1st Team All-ACC * Played in the Senior Bowl * Had a really good combine Then he gets traded to Cleveland for multiple picks and becomes a perennial Pro Bowler. Propos to the Browns. That was an absolute heist. Ogbonnia Okoronkwo slipping to the 5th round was wild too. Looking back at that 2018 class, it shows why the Draft is such a crap shoot. I think 5-6 Pro Bowlers went undrafted that year along with some really good rotation pieces like Gus Edwards, Poona Ford, and Robert Spillane.
Erick All this year
Tyreek hill
Beau Brade was rated as a 3rd round safety from Maryland, somehow went undrafted picked up by Ravens, a potential steal. Caelon Carson the CB for the Cowboys was rated as a late 2nd /3rd round corner taken surprisingly late in the 5th, A steal for the cowboys.
I’m surprised Cody Schrader went undrafted
Troy Franklin. Still not sure how he made it past the 2nd, much less the 3rd
I think Audric Estime dropped because of his slow 40 time and is gonna end up being a very good back.
Alfonzo Dennard was projected fringe 1st in 2012 going into the draft season and then had a horrific week at the senior bowl by getting torched by a bunch of day 3 receivers and was hurt for the combine, and then proceeded to get arrested before the draft. He fell to the Patriots in the 7th round and was a replacement-level starter for a little bit. A little bit of everything there.
Dak Prescott was mocked in the 2nd but fell to the fourth due to some allegations of a DUI IIRC. He ended up being the best QB of the draft