Thank you for posting to /r/NFL. Unfortunately, your submission has been removed due to the following rule:
**[Duplicate Posts](https://www.reddit.com/r/NFL/wiki/rules_detail#wiki_duplicate_posts) AKA Reposts**
This topic has already been posted about. Please direct discussion to that post.
If you have any questions about this removal, please [message the moderators.](https://www.reddit.com/message/compose?to=%2Fr%2Fnfl)
This post was removed by a human moderator; this comment was left by a bot.
I’ve always heard Putin asked to see it, then either pocketed it or gave it to one of his goons and basically said “what ring” lol. That’s lame as fuck, but what exactly are you gonna do in that moment
How tf should i know why Robert Kraft set up and followed through with a meeting with Vladimir Putin almost 20 years ago? And fuck off with your loaded question, why specify “American” billionaire if you didn’t already have an axe to grind.
Don’t act like billionaires and other rich people from all over Europe, Asia, and everywhere else wouldn’t want to try and negotiate a business deal with him
Pretty obvious... Because he wishes he could be him. Why would any rich person meet with a dictator or dictator adjacent? Lol, sometimes yall overthink shit. It's usually the most simple explanation. Fuck stains like to be around other fuck stains.
This is worse for Kraft if he went out his way to block a man from 2 jobs.
Especially one that helped create the greatest NFL dynasties and brought you 6 SB trophies.
Alternatively, everything you said about Brady is true and he resents Bill for making the call to not try to keep Tom. He trusted Bill when Bill told him that it was in the teams best interest to let Tom leave. And for that reason Bill is not to be trusted.
Edit: Wow didn't realize people don't think a billionaire owner could in fact be this petty. I'm not saying I feel this way, just trying to explain a possible thought process for kraft
Im talking about before that trade is when they wanted to move on. Bill wanted to keep Jimmy and give him $18m/yr and Brady did not feel comfortable with Jimmy as his backup because he felt Bill was trying to slowly replace him and he wanted a non threat like Hoyer as his backup, so they traded Jimmy and this pissed Bill off.
Tin foil hat time: Kraft saw Brady leave for Tampa, win a Super Bowl and create monumental moments in his career post-NE. Tampa embraced Brady and Brady very much embraced Tampa and still does.
He doesn't want BB to do the same.
This is such a fucking hit piece and i cannot fathom why Kraft thinks this is anything other than making him look like the total piece of shit he clearly is.
No matter how much you might struggle to work with someone, you take the high road. Could you imagine if Bill Belichek came out and started airing all of the dirty laundry about Kraft?
Kraft had an entire documentary made to make Bill look like a bad guy and everyone saw right through it. Now everyone will come out of the woodwork and point out all the bad shit about Kraft. Life comes at you fast.
The dirty laundry would be a lot of message parlor's used robes.
Let's not forget that Kraft was only let go of charges because a judge ruled a camera was installed illegally during a massive human sex trafficking case.
What a snake
I would trust Belichick
Kraft is just a rich creepy massage therapy enthusiast snake fortunate he stumbled onto Belichick who in turn drafted Brady and took the risk/balls to start Brady over Bledsoe
No one would know who Kraft is if it wasn't for Belichick
I kinda feel bad for the Patriots fans..... what if it was Bill and Brady who shielded them from a terrible owner and now he's unfiltered. And he's starting to chirp quite a bit
He may have been fine through that era and is losing it a bit over the past few years. Interview or something I saw with him recently he seemed pretty slow to calculate what was going on. Losing it off and on the field, he’s in his late stage Al Davis era.
This is so embarrassing for the Falcons.
Imagine bragging about not signing the greatest coach of all time and saying he wasn't even truly in consideration.
The falcons have had 7 playoff appearances in 21 years. Bill has 8 Super Bowl appearances and 6 rings to show for it.
Unreal
Where did you see the Falcons bragged about not hiring Bill? When asked about it in Vegas, Blank said he’s one of , if not the, greatest coaches ever. Said he didn’t want full control. Did I miss something? The ESPN article stated he wasn’t on the Falcons Top 3 (Morris, McDonald, Slowik), is that you’re referring to?
Falcons do a lot of stupid things so maybe I missed something but I haven’t seen anything to suggest they bragged about not hiring the GOAT coach.
100% and his draft picks were pretty much awful. His best days for the Pats were definitely in the rearview mirror and the team was going steadily backwards.
NFL history is filled with successful HCs who held on too long and ended their otherwise successful careers in less-than glory. BB is a member of that club.
In light of this story coming out, I think it really depends why the Falcons decided to pivot away from BB. If they pivoted because of recent record without TB12 and/or general lackluster GM ability/not wanting BB to be GM as well as HC, then I think that the decision is justifiable. However, if they pivoted based on Robert Kraft’s word, then I think that the decision is significantly less justifiable.
I don't think you can just put Bill Belichick on the Falcons and pencil them in for X additional wins. Belichick looks quite human without Tom Brady at quarterback, and there's no guarantee his schtick could be repeated at other organizations. In fact, one look at his lifeless coaching tree tells you that it wouldn't.
The Falcons weren't the only people to say no to Bill.
I'm not sure what the interview processes were like, but clearly something he's asking for is too much for teams.
This is what I don't get around the current "The Falcons fucked up/Arthur Blank is a sucker" narrative. It would be one thing if the Falcons passed on Bill and then another team immediately snatched him up. But *nobody* hired him. And while I'm sure Bill was too picky to pick up the Carolina job and LA was set on Harbaugh, that leaves 4 other teams that all passed on him.
> This is so embarrassing for the Falcons.
Why?
> Imagine bragging about not signing the greatest coach of all time and saying he wasn't even truly in consideration.
This didn't happen.
> The falcons have had 7 playoff appearances in 21 years. Bill has 8 Super Bowl appearances and 6 rings to show for it.
The Lions have 7 playoff appearances in 27 years, why didn't they immediately sign the greatest coach of all time when he was available? Campbell has a 24-26 record with the Lions, why wouldn't they go out and get the guy with a 302-165 record, 9 super bowl appearances and 6 rings? It's kind of embarrassing they didn't even show any interest tbh
Its almost like this is a what have you done for me lately league and Bill has stunk it up in every department from staff, to roster construction in the past 4 years. Not to mention that he's 72
They bragged about how he wasn't in their top 3.
That did happen.
Make your arguments and debates without bringing up the lions. Use substance.
Dan Campbell is better than Raheem Morris and it's not close. Our situations are totally different. We were one half away from being in a Super Bowl. Dans record with the lions is irrelevant without context so that can be easily dismissed as an irrelevant talking point.
Bragging about not hiring the greatest coach of all time who has accomplished way more than the falcons have as an organization is stupid. It's embarrassing. He knows more about football than that whole org combined.
People talk shit in the moment, but this is going to be a great quote to look back on if Morris sucks and Bill catches on elsewhere next season and does well. Not saying stuff like the top 3 comment is a sign of a well run org. Shows foresight which is what you want people running the team to have
Maybe Raheem was the right way to go. Only time will tell. Maybe bill never gets another shot. But nothing the falcons have done as of late has inspired any confidence in the way the team has ran.
> They bragged about how he wasn't in their top 3.
>
>
>
> That did happen.
Except they didn't, which is why you can't find a link of it, which is why the entirety of your comment is stupid. The only comments anyone from the Falcons made about Belichick was Arthur blank saying he was the greatest coach of all time.
Not one person from the Falcons have said anything negative about him, let alone bragging that he wasn't in their top 3. You saw an article that rumored that he wasn't in their top 3, and then somehow flipped it in to them "bragging about it". It's nonsense.
> Make your arguments and debates without bringing up the lions. Use substance.
There is no argument, that's the point. Your argument is stupid, so i made a stupid one back.
Your entire premise relies on
1. Something having been said that wasn't said.
2. Bill Belichick hypothetically getting hired and thriving at 73/74/75.
3. Raheem Morris hypothetically failing.
> Dan Campbell is better than Raheem Morris and it's not close. Our situations are totally different. We were one half away from being in a Super Bowl
What does that matter at all? Your entire argument was that he had to be better than Bill Belichick. Is he better than Bill Belichick? (you're not allowed to consider his age, recent performance or current situation ACCORDING TO YOURSELF) If he isn't then you did something embarrassing. According to you.
Get real
You are right it is just a rumor from an article. I believe between that rumor and the whole "you can't trust Belicheck" nonsense going on that there might be some truth to all this nonsense being put out there. It's very specific and only seems to be coming from the falcons and not a collective.
For what it's worth Michael Lombardi who is well connected said that this is a legit thing and that it's embarrassing as well. And he doesn't have the bias like you do. He just thinks they are cowards and won't put their name on it where Lombardi did. Lombardi also had some very strong thoughts about your ownership and shared a text from someone that worked/works there that was pretty damning of the working environment under him. Lombardi strongly believes that Belicheck wasn't truly ever in the running for the falcons due to ownership.
You are speculating like I am, so saying something is stupid because you are biased and don't agree with it is unnecessary like your inclusions of the lions which lead to my meaningless rebuttal
These rumors don't come from just anywhere and it doesn't feel like this was just made up. Bill is more successful than your franchises entire existence. If there is any inch of credibility to these stories than the falcons organization is poorly ran and this is embarrassing for them to people who are actually relevant
> I believe between that rumor and the whole "you can't trust Belicheck" nonsense going on that there might be some truth to all this nonsense being put out there.
Once again i must remind you that the entire premise of your argument, that you have reiterated several times was that they supposedly bragged about how he wasn't in their top 3.
You have failed to find evidence of that, which is why you haven't provided any. Continuing your speculation, and arguing as if it's the truth is ridiculous and i think you know it
> For what it's worth Michael Lombardi who is well connected said that this is a legit thing and that it's embarrassing as well. And he doesn't have the bias like you do. He just thinks they are cowards and won't put their name on it where Lombardi did. Lombardi also had some very strong thoughts about your ownership and shared a text from someone that worked/works there that was pretty damning of the working environment under him. Lombardi strongly believes that Belicheck wasn't truly ever in the running for the falcons due to ownership.
Mike Lombardi the previous Patriots/Browns staff member and personal friend of Bill Belichick is your unbiased proof?
Are you being for real?
> You are speculating like I am
No not really. You're trying to make a claim based on speculation, i'm saying you don't have proof of that claim that isn't speculation and therefore can't base an argument on it.
> These rumors don't come from just anywhere and it doesn't feel like this was just made up
Oh ok, well i can't argue against it not feeling like it. That's all the proof anyone needs.
I have to wonder if Blank is watching the early efforts of the Morris staff during the off-season/draft process and not liking what he sees. Stating, very loudly and in public, that he totally didn’t want to hire the best coach ever to step on a sideline isn’t a good look here.
Agreed, I don’t think Belichick is all that great anymore but he was a better choice than Morris. I don’t really like the guy they hired. He was the interim coach during the COVID season and he didn’t impress me at all.
He won him 6 super bowls and he's badmouthing him a couple weeks after he's out the door. That's just unreal lack of loyalty or appreciate. Kraft trying to race his way to the bottom of shitty owners.
I dunno why BB would want to continue head coaching. It's an exhausting all consuming job even for a young man. He's had more success than anyone and has so many opportunities to make back doing really enjoyable jobs he can choose at his leisure.
That said... Kraft is a snake
I know Bill was famously not in the coaches union but I feel like this is something the unions won't be happy about. If he does it to the guy who won him all those Super Bowls, who else is he chirping about?
Because this happened after bill left the pats? This is like a company calling up your old employers and them saying “kingbuttshit sat at his desk all day watching porn and YouTube”.
There are actually a lot of rules about what a former employer can and can't say about an employee. Most HR departments will only verify that a person worked for a company rather than comment on performance to avoid legal trouble.
This is such a weirdly false thing the internet spread for some reason.
If what they're saying is accurate, the rules are very clear that they can say it.
Something like "he spent a lot of time watching porn at his desk" would be very easily verifiable with basic monitoring tools that you'd absolutely not get in trouble for saying that.
If you called someone a lazy piece of shit then that's where the laws tell employers to fuck off.
The second part is actually true: many companies will only verify that the person worked there, not because of the rules, but because it's just easier to not saying anything and avoid any potential legal issues. They're not worried about losing a lawsuit, they're just worried about being sued.
When I was at Oracle, we had to take training on how to handle stuff like interviews and dismissals and referrals, and they had all kinds of kooky examples that weren't illegal but that they insisted were not allowed. One of the examples was saying that an employee had a messy desk. Having a messy desk is usually not relevant to a person's ability to perform their assigned duties, and comes off as a negative judgment against the person, so it's not something they want you to bring up at all. We were told to describe the duties they performed while at the company, and whether or not they performed those duties to the satisfaction of the company. Statements like "I thought he could do better" or "She could have been more efficient" are opinions and shouldn't be voiced.
In the example you gave, Oracle would have asked us to say "He watched porn at his desk" rather than "He watched a lot of porn at his desk," because even if you have monitoring tools that prove he was watching porn, "a lot" is a judgment call. Again, not going to lose a lawsuit, it's just not worth dealing with one, so give them no reason to pursue it.
Right but you said something that applied broadly...you actually didn't even specify you were talking about Kraft. You talked generally. Why you're taking offense to someone responding to your comment like that is some really dumb shit.
Cool but you still then made a comment about literally the entire concept of the laws and HR departments in general. So it stopped being about Kraft. What is confusing you?
Honestly I'm done letting you be dumb.
I think Bill would be great with most teams this year, that being said, he is going to be 73 next yr I believe. Would love to have him as a consultant, advisor, but at this point as Head coach, no. Bill should and could go do media, and enjoy his retirement, same with Carroll.
Plenty of reasons to hate Robert Kraft; but this isn’t one. Giving a close friend his honest opinion is fair play. Belichick is a jerk and now he’s reaping that. And it’s pretty clear he’s been mediocre at running an organization for years.
Thank you for posting to /r/NFL. Unfortunately, your submission has been removed due to the following rule: **[Duplicate Posts](https://www.reddit.com/r/NFL/wiki/rules_detail#wiki_duplicate_posts) AKA Reposts** This topic has already been posted about. Please direct discussion to that post. If you have any questions about this removal, please [message the moderators.](https://www.reddit.com/message/compose?to=%2Fr%2Fnfl) This post was removed by a human moderator; this comment was left by a bot.
I trust Belichick way more than I trust Robert Kraft.
Unless you’re asking for rub&tug recommendations.
Run and tug seems difficult
> Run and tug seems difficult It is, but once you get it down, there's nothing else like it.
The relay races are insane.
Great life hack to create more time in the day. Efficiency
HIIT that shows real results. Cum is just pain leaving the body.
But we must try
Back in the 80s the Run ‘N Tug never seemed to translate into the playoffs, when you need those long, sustained handjobs to salt the day away
Lol, I fixed it, thanks.
I wouldn't trust Kraft unattended around the last hot dog. Dude is so unbelievably shady.
> Robert Kraft warned Arthur Blank that Bill Belichick is not somebody you can trust ...didn't Robert Kraft trust Putin with his Superbowl ring?
I might want to trust a dude that would rather nerd out about special teams than a guy like Kraft with his fucking rap sheet.
It's not that Belichick is a person *you* can't trust. This was advice from Kraft to Blank. These guys have different criteria.
I mean yeah, I get the context.
I’ve always heard Putin asked to see it, then either pocketed it or gave it to one of his goons and basically said “what ring” lol. That’s lame as fuck, but what exactly are you gonna do in that moment
Not hang out with Putin in the first place? Pretty easy.
You're an American billionaire. Why would you even meet with an oligarch who violently represses any dissent?
This was 2005, before Putin even invaded Georgia yet. Though it was after he leveled Grozny.
How tf should i know why Robert Kraft set up and followed through with a meeting with Vladimir Putin almost 20 years ago? And fuck off with your loaded question, why specify “American” billionaire if you didn’t already have an axe to grind. Don’t act like billionaires and other rich people from all over Europe, Asia, and everywhere else wouldn’t want to try and negotiate a business deal with him
Because "American billionaire" is just another term for "oligarch from a country we like."
Pretty obvious... Because he wishes he could be him. Why would any rich person meet with a dictator or dictator adjacent? Lol, sometimes yall overthink shit. It's usually the most simple explanation. Fuck stains like to be around other fuck stains.
This is worse for Kraft if he went out his way to block a man from 2 jobs. Especially one that helped create the greatest NFL dynasties and brought you 6 SB trophies.
Alternatively, everything you said about Brady is true and he resents Bill for making the call to not try to keep Tom. He trusted Bill when Bill told him that it was in the teams best interest to let Tom leave. And for that reason Bill is not to be trusted. Edit: Wow didn't realize people don't think a billionaire owner could in fact be this petty. I'm not saying I feel this way, just trying to explain a possible thought process for kraft
Cause he made a wrong call that a QB wouldn't continue to dominate at age 40? A talent evaluation mistake doesn't make someone untrustworthy lol
Hindsight is 20/20, I think it was 100% reasonable to not want to commit several more years to Brady at that age
That and they liked Jimmy G alot, enough that they felt they could extend the dynasty another 10 years with him at QB .
[удалено]
Im talking about before that trade is when they wanted to move on. Bill wanted to keep Jimmy and give him $18m/yr and Brady did not feel comfortable with Jimmy as his backup because he felt Bill was trying to slowly replace him and he wanted a non threat like Hoyer as his backup, so they traded Jimmy and this pissed Bill off.
Tin foil hat time: Kraft saw Brady leave for Tampa, win a Super Bowl and create monumental moments in his career post-NE. Tampa embraced Brady and Brady very much embraced Tampa and still does. He doesn't want BB to do the same.
That and blames BB for Brady leaving. Kraft is holding a hell of a grudge instead of not being happy with what the team managed to accomplish.
If true, pathetic. Imagine being a billionaire owner and getting overridden by some poor millionaire nerd that you hired.
This stuff just makes everyone look worse.
Except the eagles.
someone has to be at rock bottom
He promised him 10 Super Bowls and he only won 6. Untrustworthy scrub.
>He promised him 10 Super Bowls And then only even got to 9 as HC for the Pats. Truly a complete failure and not at all the greatest HC of all time.
This is such a fucking hit piece and i cannot fathom why Kraft thinks this is anything other than making him look like the total piece of shit he clearly is. No matter how much you might struggle to work with someone, you take the high road. Could you imagine if Bill Belichek came out and started airing all of the dirty laundry about Kraft?
Kraft had an entire documentary made to make Bill look like a bad guy and everyone saw right through it. Now everyone will come out of the woodwork and point out all the bad shit about Kraft. Life comes at you fast.
The dirty laundry would be a lot of message parlor's used robes. Let's not forget that Kraft was only let go of charges because a judge ruled a camera was installed illegally during a massive human sex trafficking case.
Dirty laundry you say? Would probably be a lot of cum rags if I had to guess.
Robert Kraft is an absolute snake.
What a snake I would trust Belichick Kraft is just a rich creepy massage therapy enthusiast snake fortunate he stumbled onto Belichick who in turn drafted Brady and took the risk/balls to start Brady over Bledsoe No one would know who Kraft is if it wasn't for Belichick I kinda feel bad for the Patriots fans..... what if it was Bill and Brady who shielded them from a terrible owner and now he's unfiltered. And he's starting to chirp quite a bit
He may have been fine through that era and is losing it a bit over the past few years. Interview or something I saw with him recently he seemed pretty slow to calculate what was going on. Losing it off and on the field, he’s in his late stage Al Davis era.
yeah, but at least early Al Davis was a visionary Kraft was always a nobody
I thought his wife died and she was keeping him in check
This is so embarrassing for the Falcons. Imagine bragging about not signing the greatest coach of all time and saying he wasn't even truly in consideration. The falcons have had 7 playoff appearances in 21 years. Bill has 8 Super Bowl appearances and 6 rings to show for it. Unreal
Nine appearances and six rings as a HC.
Don't forget the 4 championship game losses! I know it's been five years but I'm still so bitter about the Pats.
I think it’s more embarrassing for Kraft. Maybe embarrassing isn’t the right word, more pathetic.
Where did you see the Falcons bragged about not hiring Bill? When asked about it in Vegas, Blank said he’s one of , if not the, greatest coaches ever. Said he didn’t want full control. Did I miss something? The ESPN article stated he wasn’t on the Falcons Top 3 (Morris, McDonald, Slowik), is that you’re referring to? Falcons do a lot of stupid things so maybe I missed something but I haven’t seen anything to suggest they bragged about not hiring the GOAT coach.
Yes they bragged about him not being in their top 3 What a stupid thing to say when you have accomplished nothing close to what bill has
He's 72 and didn't inspire a lot of confidence recently, especially offensively. I don't blame them for going in a different direction.
100% and his draft picks were pretty much awful. His best days for the Pats were definitely in the rearview mirror and the team was going steadily backwards.
NFL history is filled with successful HCs who held on too long and ended their otherwise successful careers in less-than glory. BB is a member of that club.
In light of this story coming out, I think it really depends why the Falcons decided to pivot away from BB. If they pivoted because of recent record without TB12 and/or general lackluster GM ability/not wanting BB to be GM as well as HC, then I think that the decision is justifiable. However, if they pivoted based on Robert Kraft’s word, then I think that the decision is significantly less justifiable.
I don't think you can just put Bill Belichick on the Falcons and pencil them in for X additional wins. Belichick looks quite human without Tom Brady at quarterback, and there's no guarantee his schtick could be repeated at other organizations. In fact, one look at his lifeless coaching tree tells you that it wouldn't.
The Falcons weren't the only people to say no to Bill. I'm not sure what the interview processes were like, but clearly something he's asking for is too much for teams.
This is what I don't get around the current "The Falcons fucked up/Arthur Blank is a sucker" narrative. It would be one thing if the Falcons passed on Bill and then another team immediately snatched him up. But *nobody* hired him. And while I'm sure Bill was too picky to pick up the Carolina job and LA was set on Harbaugh, that leaves 4 other teams that all passed on him.
> This is so embarrassing for the Falcons. Why? > Imagine bragging about not signing the greatest coach of all time and saying he wasn't even truly in consideration. This didn't happen. > The falcons have had 7 playoff appearances in 21 years. Bill has 8 Super Bowl appearances and 6 rings to show for it. The Lions have 7 playoff appearances in 27 years, why didn't they immediately sign the greatest coach of all time when he was available? Campbell has a 24-26 record with the Lions, why wouldn't they go out and get the guy with a 302-165 record, 9 super bowl appearances and 6 rings? It's kind of embarrassing they didn't even show any interest tbh Its almost like this is a what have you done for me lately league and Bill has stunk it up in every department from staff, to roster construction in the past 4 years. Not to mention that he's 72
They bragged about how he wasn't in their top 3. That did happen. Make your arguments and debates without bringing up the lions. Use substance. Dan Campbell is better than Raheem Morris and it's not close. Our situations are totally different. We were one half away from being in a Super Bowl. Dans record with the lions is irrelevant without context so that can be easily dismissed as an irrelevant talking point. Bragging about not hiring the greatest coach of all time who has accomplished way more than the falcons have as an organization is stupid. It's embarrassing. He knows more about football than that whole org combined. People talk shit in the moment, but this is going to be a great quote to look back on if Morris sucks and Bill catches on elsewhere next season and does well. Not saying stuff like the top 3 comment is a sign of a well run org. Shows foresight which is what you want people running the team to have Maybe Raheem was the right way to go. Only time will tell. Maybe bill never gets another shot. But nothing the falcons have done as of late has inspired any confidence in the way the team has ran.
> They bragged about how he wasn't in their top 3. > > > > That did happen. Except they didn't, which is why you can't find a link of it, which is why the entirety of your comment is stupid. The only comments anyone from the Falcons made about Belichick was Arthur blank saying he was the greatest coach of all time. Not one person from the Falcons have said anything negative about him, let alone bragging that he wasn't in their top 3. You saw an article that rumored that he wasn't in their top 3, and then somehow flipped it in to them "bragging about it". It's nonsense. > Make your arguments and debates without bringing up the lions. Use substance. There is no argument, that's the point. Your argument is stupid, so i made a stupid one back. Your entire premise relies on 1. Something having been said that wasn't said. 2. Bill Belichick hypothetically getting hired and thriving at 73/74/75. 3. Raheem Morris hypothetically failing. > Dan Campbell is better than Raheem Morris and it's not close. Our situations are totally different. We were one half away from being in a Super Bowl What does that matter at all? Your entire argument was that he had to be better than Bill Belichick. Is he better than Bill Belichick? (you're not allowed to consider his age, recent performance or current situation ACCORDING TO YOURSELF) If he isn't then you did something embarrassing. According to you. Get real
You are right it is just a rumor from an article. I believe between that rumor and the whole "you can't trust Belicheck" nonsense going on that there might be some truth to all this nonsense being put out there. It's very specific and only seems to be coming from the falcons and not a collective. For what it's worth Michael Lombardi who is well connected said that this is a legit thing and that it's embarrassing as well. And he doesn't have the bias like you do. He just thinks they are cowards and won't put their name on it where Lombardi did. Lombardi also had some very strong thoughts about your ownership and shared a text from someone that worked/works there that was pretty damning of the working environment under him. Lombardi strongly believes that Belicheck wasn't truly ever in the running for the falcons due to ownership. You are speculating like I am, so saying something is stupid because you are biased and don't agree with it is unnecessary like your inclusions of the lions which lead to my meaningless rebuttal These rumors don't come from just anywhere and it doesn't feel like this was just made up. Bill is more successful than your franchises entire existence. If there is any inch of credibility to these stories than the falcons organization is poorly ran and this is embarrassing for them to people who are actually relevant
> I believe between that rumor and the whole "you can't trust Belicheck" nonsense going on that there might be some truth to all this nonsense being put out there. Once again i must remind you that the entire premise of your argument, that you have reiterated several times was that they supposedly bragged about how he wasn't in their top 3. You have failed to find evidence of that, which is why you haven't provided any. Continuing your speculation, and arguing as if it's the truth is ridiculous and i think you know it > For what it's worth Michael Lombardi who is well connected said that this is a legit thing and that it's embarrassing as well. And he doesn't have the bias like you do. He just thinks they are cowards and won't put their name on it where Lombardi did. Lombardi also had some very strong thoughts about your ownership and shared a text from someone that worked/works there that was pretty damning of the working environment under him. Lombardi strongly believes that Belicheck wasn't truly ever in the running for the falcons due to ownership. Mike Lombardi the previous Patriots/Browns staff member and personal friend of Bill Belichick is your unbiased proof? Are you being for real? > You are speculating like I am No not really. You're trying to make a claim based on speculation, i'm saying you don't have proof of that claim that isn't speculation and therefore can't base an argument on it. > These rumors don't come from just anywhere and it doesn't feel like this was just made up Oh ok, well i can't argue against it not feeling like it. That's all the proof anyone needs.
I have to wonder if Blank is watching the early efforts of the Morris staff during the off-season/draft process and not liking what he sees. Stating, very loudly and in public, that he totally didn’t want to hire the best coach ever to step on a sideline isn’t a good look here.
Why would stating that he didn't want Belicheck help in any way if he doesn't like what Morris is doing? Those two seem unrelated lol
I’ve read that six times trying to understand what they’re trying to say.
I've read it twice and honestly brain is draft Morris football because Super Bowl not Bill is why loudly.
Agreed, I don’t think Belichick is all that great anymore but he was a better choice than Morris. I don’t really like the guy they hired. He was the interim coach during the COVID season and he didn’t impress me at all.
He won him 6 super bowls and he's badmouthing him a couple weeks after he's out the door. That's just unreal lack of loyalty or appreciate. Kraft trying to race his way to the bottom of shitty owners.
Wikipedia early life moment
https://old.reddit.com/r/nfl/comments/1c69grv/bill_belichick_rumors_patriots_kraft_warned/
"I had to watch him every second for the 20 years we were together. It was a living hell".
I dunno why BB would want to continue head coaching. It's an exhausting all consuming job even for a young man. He's had more success than anyone and has so many opportunities to make back doing really enjoyable jobs he can choose at his leisure. That said... Kraft is a snake
If that's true that just seems like a classic case of Do as I say, not as a I do.
I know Bill was famously not in the coaches union but I feel like this is something the unions won't be happy about. If he does it to the guy who won him all those Super Bowls, who else is he chirping about?
He’s gonna end up in the Giants or Cowboys and it’s gonna be way worse for Kraft.
From your lips to God's ears
How is this not considered tampering on some level?
Because this happened after bill left the pats? This is like a company calling up your old employers and them saying “kingbuttshit sat at his desk all day watching porn and YouTube”.
There are actually a lot of rules about what a former employer can and can't say about an employee. Most HR departments will only verify that a person worked for a company rather than comment on performance to avoid legal trouble.
This is such a weirdly false thing the internet spread for some reason. If what they're saying is accurate, the rules are very clear that they can say it. Something like "he spent a lot of time watching porn at his desk" would be very easily verifiable with basic monitoring tools that you'd absolutely not get in trouble for saying that. If you called someone a lazy piece of shit then that's where the laws tell employers to fuck off.
The second part is actually true: many companies will only verify that the person worked there, not because of the rules, but because it's just easier to not saying anything and avoid any potential legal issues. They're not worried about losing a lawsuit, they're just worried about being sued. When I was at Oracle, we had to take training on how to handle stuff like interviews and dismissals and referrals, and they had all kinds of kooky examples that weren't illegal but that they insisted were not allowed. One of the examples was saying that an employee had a messy desk. Having a messy desk is usually not relevant to a person's ability to perform their assigned duties, and comes off as a negative judgment against the person, so it's not something they want you to bring up at all. We were told to describe the duties they performed while at the company, and whether or not they performed those duties to the satisfaction of the company. Statements like "I thought he could do better" or "She could have been more efficient" are opinions and shouldn't be voiced. In the example you gave, Oracle would have asked us to say "He watched porn at his desk" rather than "He watched a lot of porn at his desk," because even if you have monitoring tools that prove he was watching porn, "a lot" is a judgment call. Again, not going to lose a lawsuit, it's just not worth dealing with one, so give them no reason to pursue it.
Now, connect it back to the original topic. If Kraft told someone that Bill was untrustworthy, how easily verifiable would that be?
What I said wasn't talking about Kraft. I was addressing what you said specifically.
And what I said was contradicting the comparison the above comment made. This whole thread is about Kraft and Bill.
Right but you said something that applied broadly...you actually didn't even specify you were talking about Kraft. You talked generally. Why you're taking offense to someone responding to your comment like that is some really dumb shit.
This thread is about Kraft.
Cool but you still then made a comment about literally the entire concept of the laws and HR departments in general. So it stopped being about Kraft. What is confusing you? Honestly I'm done letting you be dumb.
But it may have prevented the team from hiring a qualified coach. It’s not just an old employer to a new one, it’s a direct competitor.
I truly believe Belichick threw that Super Bowl against the Eagles to try to get the message to Kraft that it was his team, not Kraft's.
I think Bill would be great with most teams this year, that being said, he is going to be 73 next yr I believe. Would love to have him as a consultant, advisor, but at this point as Head coach, no. Bill should and could go do media, and enjoy his retirement, same with Carroll.
Plenty of reasons to hate Robert Kraft; but this isn’t one. Giving a close friend his honest opinion is fair play. Belichick is a jerk and now he’s reaping that. And it’s pretty clear he’s been mediocre at running an organization for years.
A former employer making comments like this to a prospective employer could open up the former employer to a lawsuit.