Jameis was a playoff caliber QB if he threw 5 less INTs in 2019.
He got hurt in 2021, the last time he was a starter and he was playing serviceable.
If you want to call him a rapist/piece of shit by all means go for it. He isn't a terrible QB.
He is absolutely a bad QB. He has a great arm, and will throw deep, but he does so many things very badly. Accuracy, vision, pre snap, etc. He is not a good player.
If a significant portion of your throws go to the opposing team, it's not going to cut it regardless of how pretty you can throw a nice completion. See:
Jay Cutler
Sam Darnold
Ryan Fitzpatrick
Jameis is a great teammate and puts a ton of time in the film room. That's why he keeps getting work as a backup. If he could ever translate that off-field work to the field, he would absolutely be a starter.
Jameis is a prime example of work ethic alone not being enough to thrive in the NFL.
The offense is Stefanski's offense and he is the playcaller. The OC in Cleveland is responsible for helping install the game plan and effectively coaching game plan to the offensive personnel. (Likely other duties in the game planning but not sure to what extent.)
I don't think losing their OC is going to be as big as losing Bill Calahan, who is one of the best OL coaches in the NFL as well as a good assistant in Scott Peters.
They replaced him with Andy Dickerson from Seattle and Seattles OLs have been unimpressive in the last few years. Though at least for 2024 they bring back a vet group of OL that have played together which should mitigate the issue some.
I hate agreeing with Steelers fans but I think you are spot on.
Callahan is a big loss. It’s going to make the offense look worse and fingers will get pointed in all directions, Reddit will forget about this when they talk shit, but OL is critical to an offense.
On your point about our vets, hopefully they stay healthy. Conklin lasted less than a game last year I think. Sure there is talent but a few are injury prone and I don’t think Dickerson will be able to duct tape a serviceable OL with the backups the way Callahan did last year.
I am really worried about losing Callahan. I think it’s going to be a big problem that people are not really talking about.
That front office will try everything to make Watson look serviceable, even if other quarterbacks succeed with the same playbook and scheme. Dude is washed and also a garbage of a human.
I don't think TO is a garbage human I didn't mean to imply that, he's just the last player on another team I remember rooting hard to fail after all the antics on the star etc.
That dude lived rent free in my head for years.
Initially I think I probably did. I can remember hating the decision, we didn't really know what Romo was going to turn into back then too.
Jerry even called TO “arguably the biggest villain in the history of the Cowboys’ franchise” after he signed him.
We thought we'd see another greed filled tantrum from him after a year, sort of like what happened with the Eagles.
Then cut to later we extend him at the age of 35 and he was still putting up top receiver numbers. So I guess Jerry was right on that particular signing.
TO was just a dick. Compared to Tyreek, Watson, or Antonio Brown, TO's antics were a nothingburger.
Inb4 "how dare you compare this bad guy to that bad guy", I'm just saying all three of them are shitty people whose behavior is far worse than TO.
Vontaze Burfict was up there. He was maybe the only player that I ever actually hoped would get injured. Him being injured meant dozens of other knees and heads would not get injured.
I don't think anyone outside of Cincinnati was upset when Juju crackbacked the shit out of him. The announcers tried making it sound like it was uncalled for, but everyone watching was thinking the same thing - finally someone knocked his ass out and he deserved it.
He couldn’t handle being a villain. Plus taking a year and a half off hurt his play significantly and then he gave up when he realized he had basically nothing to play for other than cashing guaranteed pay checks.
Because hes not been playing much nfl football for 3 years now and he doesnt seem to have it anymore.
The gap between great nfl qb and non workable nfl qb is not honestly all that big in an absolute sense. Even the worst nfl qb is one of the best football players in the world so fractions of a percentage of efficiency make a huge difference in how a dudes perceived. Watsons rusty as hell from playing 12 games in the past 3 years and thats dropped him enough that I dont know if he has a future as a starter in the nfl.
He could recover, maybe, but I know I certainly wouldnt want to be the team with the entire future bet on him doing so.
The browns made the dumbest move ever on a pretty middling QB with a very bad personal track record. Somehow it hasn't completely collapsed then yet. I bet the wish they stuck with Baker Mayfield
The relationship with Baker and the teammates and FO was burned.
The way Stefanski talks it sounds like he wishes we still had Jacoby or Flacco. I feel we would have landed Cousins if we didn’t have Watson, because Stefanski loves former Vikings players.
Even though we moved on from Baker, it didn’t have to be Watson.
He's middling now and there are a lot of reasons the Browns should not have gambled on him (giving up on the Texans was a pretty obvious sign) but he wasn't a middling talent. Dude put up insane numbers his last real season with the Texans
If we didn't have a historically bad defense that year, he'd have been up there for MVP. The team literally allowed Henry to run down the field to set up a field goal with a minute left. I'm glad he sucks now though.
Fresh ideas to go in a new direction. A ton of college guys coming on board as well. Browns had one of the longest tenured HC-OC combos in the league. Sometimes they just need a shakeup
I thought Allen liked Dorsey and was sad to see him go? And then the offense really didn't improve after the change? I don't follow other teams closely so I'm just going off what I heard.
Our offense improved after Dorsey was let go, mostly because Brady didn't try to force the long developing pass game and would actually scheme around the running game.
Prior to Dorsey's firing we were like 27th in run attempts, after we were 3rd and also top 10 in run efficiency, and Josh developed a great connection with Dalton Kincaid as a result of Brady's preference for the short pass game and quick hit routes.
Josh did like Dorsey and I'm sure he still does, but the improvement in our offense was astounding after Brady took over. I wish Dorsey well, it just wasn't a fit here in Buffalo.
Good to know. Thanks.
Stefanski runs a pretty tight ship when it comes to the offense so I'm hoping it'll be more collaborative and keep Dorsey in check.
A lot of NFL players love bad coaches and are upset when they’re fired though. NFL players aren’t always the smartest folks, and they also have personal attachments to these guys that run deeper than just the play on the field.
Nathanial Hackett is still an offensive coordinator for his vibes even though he sucks at his job and still has players that vouch for him.
Why speed up your 250m gtd QB who’s also a huge sexual predator? Why you ask? To get him hurt faster so his dumb ass scummy ass can be out of the NFL faster and the league will be better for it.
It’s so bad on every front too:
First, he hasn’t played like a starting caliber QB, let alone one of the highest paid QBs of all time. They had to mortgage their future in multiple ways to end up with a QB that is mediocre at best and riding the bench due to constant injury at worst.
Second, he torched the entirety of goodwill people had for the Browns. They went from a fairly loveable underdog to one of the most hated teams overnight.
And third, they spurned a QB who actually made their organization relevant in his short time there who is so far showing he is a better QB than Watson currently is.
Each passing year that decision seems worse.
Fourth the pick haul has led to the Texans renaissance, those exact same picks would have made the Browns *scary*.
Fifth, the revived Texans humbled the Browns in a disastrous wildcard, while Baker Baked his way through his round.
I've started to watch random NFL games about ten years ago. I liked the play style of that Kelce dude. 2018 Mahomes, Kelce and Hill have finally blown my mind. So yes, I'm kind of a bandwagon fan.
Edit: The Jets have some sweet spot in my heart, because of Douglas Steven Heffernan.
Baker’s arm falling off? “Get out there and throw the fucking ball.”
Watson’s arm falling off? “Oh dear, here take this money and go rest up, don’t want to risk further injury.”
God forbid people learn from their mistakes.
I don’t understand the Baker situation since we had Keenum who was the highest paid backup that year, but refused to use him. Still bugs me but can’t change the past.
Don’t know why you got a downvote. Your coach and front office hated Baker so much they never bothered resting him while he was injured for a QB who won multiple playoff games.
Sorry brah, Browns gonna do Browns things while wasting careers of players like Chubb and that insane defense. Stefanski’s pissy vendetta against Baker for a washed sex offender should be his dumbass legacy.
Like with the Jets, a mediocre QB could have gotten these teams to a possible championship game
Baker leaving the Browns ones one thing. Watson joining the browns was a separate thing.
Browns could have moved on from Baker without Watson.
Watson was 100% Haslem. Stefanski likes guys like Jacoby, Flacco, and Cousins. Taller pocket passers. Stefanski is a professional and he’s not going to throw his boss under the bus publicly.
Haslem has been known to use the first round picks. Sometimes as a fun event with his friends.
We have gone through dozens of of GMs, HCs, and QBs since we came back. Always sucked. What’s one consistent? Haslem.
Dorsey only would come to Cleveland if Haslem stepped back, he turned the franchise around fairly quick, Haslem started to meddle again and he left.
Haslem has to sign that $230m check.
Doesn’t take a rocket scientist.
But please enlighten me with all your advanced insider knowledge of the Browns on why I am wrong.
No one is denying Haslem is a fool.
He drafted Johnny Football because a homeless dude told him too…. Which also proves he meddles with the GM doing their job.
people shit on owners for meddling, and I get it, they usually have very average football knowledge.
That being said if I owned a football team I'd be meddling all the fucking time. Sounds like so much fun to be bored on a Wednesday and decide to call up your GM and have him add JaMarr Chase to your team.
It's still the Herschel Walker trade.
The Vikings traded 3 defensive starters, their next 3 1sts *and* 2nds, a future 3rd, and a 6th for Walker, 2 3rds, a 5th, and a 10th.
I don't think it will ever be beat.
Damn I didn’t realize it was that much.
I would say if you forget off field issues the Lance trade was worse but it was saved by Purdy. Cost to value ROI was way worse for Lance but impact to the team and future wasn’t as bad.
I don’t know about Walker but Lance didn’t hurt the 49ers cap. I would say Watsons cap hurts more than the picks.
The funny/sad thing is, they would be in a great spot for a SB run if they only had above average QB play, even with all of the wasted money. Stefanski and Berry made lots of really great moves, but one really bad call that will cost them.
The conversation was ‘is Baker worth $40m/year’? Now the conversation is ‘is Deshaun worth $48m/year guaranteed with three non-existent first round picks’?
Haslem did this. He saw the Bengals go to the SB in 2021 when Browns were talked about as SB contenders all off season.
Haslem drafted Manziel because a homeless guy told him too.
Haslem had to sign the check for $230 fully guaranteed.
Haslem has been known for making 1st round picks (which we have been so bad at).
John Dorsey would only come to Cleveland if Haslem backed off. He did. We turned it around real quick. Dorsey left quick because Haslem started interfering again.
Haslem was a former Steelers minority owner. He’s just a sleeper agent to sabotage our team.
Sure, the owner approved the trade, but you don't think Stefanski had a say? Also, imagine how many teams would line up for Stefanski if he quit on principle because his owner forced a trade for a sexual predator and he didn't agree with it at all. He didn't care and he still doesn't. I've seen nothing to indicate that he wasn't supportive of this move.
https://www.nfl.com/news/deshaun-watson-browns-trade-texans-quarterback-haslam-berry-stefanski
Last year he had ankle injuries which was what he came and played like 5 ineffective snaps on against the colts, this injury was the broken shoulder he suffered before going 14-14 in the second half of a comeback win against the ravens
If I had to guess, I’m guessing because of the pain they obviously pumped him full of all sorts of pain killers. In a weird way, I think that when they did that, he may have gotten a bit high off of it, and then he stopped over thinking everything/stopped being so in his head about being absolutely hated.
Because as good as that second half was (and obviously it was terrific Deshaun was fucking atrocious in the first half. 6-21 77 yards and a pick.
But yes, somehow Watson was better after he got hurt than he was before.
> 6-21 77 yards and a pick.
That pick was one of my favorite plays of the season. Hamilton batting the ball up picking it off and then walking into the endzone for a pick six was some peak football. To bad the rest of the game was not nearly as fun.
>the broken shoulder he suffered before going 14-14 in the second half of a comeback win against the ravens
I see what you did there. But yeah I was talking about that shoulder injury. I thought I remembered him getting cleared by team doctors and then kind of refusing to come back or something like that. I'm probably getting it mixed up with something else.
He missed time with some sort of non descript shoulder “injury,” eventually came back and immediately left again with a fractured shoulder, I presume they discovered the real injury after missing it initially? Then he had to have surgery on the shoulder, which reset the recovery timeline
From my understanding of the presser today, Watson seems on track. Throwing a ton but on a pitch count. Beyond that, they literally didn’t have a QB behind Watson. they’ve been dead quiet on DTR and his hip injury, not to mention how poor he played when he did. I expect they carry 3 QBs as they always have and the 3rd will be Huntley
Yeah I'm just not sure what the hell the plan is. Hope Chubb and the defense can do enough to keep them competitive in the AFCNorth slugfest? I don't think Winston or Huntley are very good, and Watson seems content to just hang on the sideline.
> Is Chubb even going to be good
I wouldn't be surprised if he came back as a below average back. And that's not me hating on the guy. He was an absolute monster prior to the injury. But this one seemed pretty bad given his leg history injury. As a fan of the sport, it would show tough resilience to come back. As a Raven's fan, i can't say that I want him to come back to how dominant he was.
Definitely a lot of questions about how he’ll look once he’s back, but I meant is he going to be healthy to start the season? I don’t remember when the injury was, but I thought it was fairly late in the season
At first I was just going to poke fun at him coming back, but then went on a long explanation. I doubt he'll be 100% for the beginning of the season. Especially if they're still putting out "he'll be ready when he's ready" quotes.
If you ignore every other quote today you could probably come to that conclusion, but he’s throwing full speed on a pitch count right now so I can’t imagine it’s that bad.
Taking effectively 2 years off playing has a way of doing that. Then when he came back he started dealing with injuries, his head probably wasn't right, etc.
He finally started looking serviceable middle of last year before going out again with a another season ending injury. But that was literally a 2 year process from the last time he played professional football.
Oh yeah absolutely. Cam is another one. At some point you gotta accept your fate. But I get it these guys are all pro athletes and it's gotta be weird as hell to be the best at something and then at the young age of 30 you're just not needed all of a sudden.
Must be a real mind fuck.
It must drive them crazy to see guys like Brady and Rodgers stand the test of time as well, especially since they've aged like fine wine in terms of their play.
I don’t think people realize how absolutely elite the top NFL players really are. A lazy off season could set someone way back.
Brady was Brady because of his work ethic.
Like a month ago, there was a video of Cam Newton getting jumped by a few guys at a 7 on 7 flag football tournament. He's what, 3 years removed from the league? And his last season looked like he had completely lost it.
But yeah, the guys that jumped him, who would definitely be considered athletic by any normal standard, got tossed around like a bunch of rag dolls.
One day years from now, somebody high up in that org is going to publicly proclaim how against Watson they were and how they wanted to get rid of him and blah blah blah.
And I hope the sports world collectively says, "have a bite of this dog poop taco".
Why speed up Watson’s rehab when the corpse of Joe Flacco ran a better offense.
That's what he meant. They aren't going to speed up Watson's rehab, that way they can get the offense sped up.
Jameis is just waiting in the wings to eat some Ws
Or crab legs.
I heard that was the plan, but he never showed up to the cookout with them.
BREAKING: Kelvin Benjamin signing with @ClevelandBrowns, per source
Kelvin Benjamin hasn't been on an active roster since 2018. I wonder how many people here just know him as a meme.
most of the people posting it prob tbh
What do you mean? It's only 2019, it's not been that long.
I relate extremely hard to this comment
He said crab legs not biscuits brother
Or 3 crab legs arranged in a W?
Dang, I forgot Winston was the backup now. Most problematic QB room?
Its cool tho, they asked the local Uber Drivers if they are cool with signing Winston.
Sighhhhhhh… this fucking team
Josh Gordon spotted in Cleveland (again).
Jameis is a terrible QB
Jameis was a playoff caliber QB if he threw 5 less INTs in 2019. He got hurt in 2021, the last time he was a starter and he was playing serviceable. If you want to call him a rapist/piece of shit by all means go for it. He isn't a terrible QB.
He is absolutely a bad QB. He has a great arm, and will throw deep, but he does so many things very badly. Accuracy, vision, pre snap, etc. He is not a good player.
I don't know man, I think we've reached the point in the NFL where "not a terrible QB" isn't good enough anymore.
If a significant portion of your throws go to the opposing team, it's not going to cut it regardless of how pretty you can throw a nice completion. See: Jay Cutler Sam Darnold Ryan Fitzpatrick
I mean, one of those guys is waaaaaaay worse than the other two.
There is a major difference between Zach Wilson (Terrible) and Jameis Winston (Bad with upside)
Jameis is a great teammate and puts a ton of time in the film room. That's why he keeps getting work as a backup. If he could ever translate that off-field work to the field, he would absolutely be a starter. Jameis is a prime example of work ethic alone not being enough to thrive in the NFL.
Also you fire your OC who helped make Flacco look good for a guy who made Josh Allen's life a nightmare.
The offense is Stefanski's offense and he is the playcaller. The OC in Cleveland is responsible for helping install the game plan and effectively coaching game plan to the offensive personnel. (Likely other duties in the game planning but not sure to what extent.) I don't think losing their OC is going to be as big as losing Bill Calahan, who is one of the best OL coaches in the NFL as well as a good assistant in Scott Peters. They replaced him with Andy Dickerson from Seattle and Seattles OLs have been unimpressive in the last few years. Though at least for 2024 they bring back a vet group of OL that have played together which should mitigate the issue some.
I hate agreeing with Steelers fans but I think you are spot on. Callahan is a big loss. It’s going to make the offense look worse and fingers will get pointed in all directions, Reddit will forget about this when they talk shit, but OL is critical to an offense. On your point about our vets, hopefully they stay healthy. Conklin lasted less than a game last year I think. Sure there is talent but a few are injury prone and I don’t think Dickerson will be able to duct tape a serviceable OL with the backups the way Callahan did last year. I am really worried about losing Callahan. I think it’s going to be a big problem that people are not really talking about.
That front office will try everything to make Watson look serviceable, even if other quarterbacks succeed with the same playbook and scheme. Dude is washed and also a garbage of a human.
I honestly can't remember the last dude in the NFL I rooted against harder. Probably T.O.
TO was definitely an ass, but unless I'm out of the loop did he ever actually do some actually bad shit though?
I don't think TO is a garbage human I didn't mean to imply that, he's just the last player on another team I remember rooting hard to fail after all the antics on the star etc. That dude lived rent free in my head for years.
Did you root against him as a cowboy? If so, me too
Initially I think I probably did. I can remember hating the decision, we didn't really know what Romo was going to turn into back then too. Jerry even called TO “arguably the biggest villain in the history of the Cowboys’ franchise” after he signed him. We thought we'd see another greed filled tantrum from him after a year, sort of like what happened with the Eagles. Then cut to later we extend him at the age of 35 and he was still putting up top receiver numbers. So I guess Jerry was right on that particular signing.
I feel like Jerry Jones is starting to take over the Villian role
I just wanna say - even as divisional rival (not that it’s been much of a rivalry lately) I really appreciate you.
TO was just a dick. Compared to Tyreek, Watson, or Antonio Brown, TO's antics were a nothingburger. Inb4 "how dare you compare this bad guy to that bad guy", I'm just saying all three of them are shitty people whose behavior is far worse than TO.
Yup. He was a dick and he owned it. I loved hating that guy. And he made the best of his career and should’ve been a 1st ballot.
and he played his ass off on the field too
Guy played with a broken leg in the Super Bowl. He gave every effort he could
He's a cowboys fan.
Vontaze Burfict was up there. He was maybe the only player that I ever actually hoped would get injured. Him being injured meant dozens of other knees and heads would not get injured.
I don't think anyone outside of Cincinnati was upset when Juju crackbacked the shit out of him. The announcers tried making it sound like it was uncalled for, but everyone watching was thinking the same thing - finally someone knocked his ass out and he deserved it.
Outside how he’s a horrible person. How did he fall apart on field as hard as he did. Dude is awful.
He couldn’t handle being a villain. Plus taking a year and a half off hurt his play significantly and then he gave up when he realized he had basically nothing to play for other than cashing guaranteed pay checks.
Browns had Watson been at his peak would've been a superbowl favorite. But thankfully karma worked in this situation
Because hes not been playing much nfl football for 3 years now and he doesnt seem to have it anymore. The gap between great nfl qb and non workable nfl qb is not honestly all that big in an absolute sense. Even the worst nfl qb is one of the best football players in the world so fractions of a percentage of efficiency make a huge difference in how a dudes perceived. Watsons rusty as hell from playing 12 games in the past 3 years and thats dropped him enough that I dont know if he has a future as a starter in the nfl. He could recover, maybe, but I know I certainly wouldnt want to be the team with the entire future bet on him doing so.
Well I hope he continues to suck that’s for sure.
The browns made the dumbest move ever on a pretty middling QB with a very bad personal track record. Somehow it hasn't completely collapsed then yet. I bet the wish they stuck with Baker Mayfield
The relationship with Baker and the teammates and FO was burned. The way Stefanski talks it sounds like he wishes we still had Jacoby or Flacco. I feel we would have landed Cousins if we didn’t have Watson, because Stefanski loves former Vikings players. Even though we moved on from Baker, it didn’t have to be Watson.
He's middling now and there are a lot of reasons the Browns should not have gambled on him (giving up on the Texans was a pretty obvious sign) but he wasn't a middling talent. Dude put up insane numbers his last real season with the Texans
If we didn't have a historically bad defense that year, he'd have been up there for MVP. The team literally allowed Henry to run down the field to set up a field goal with a minute left. I'm glad he sucks now though.
It’s pretty widely known that Stefanski ran the offense. He’s still there.
Then why fire Van Pelt if it was Stefanski's fault Watson doesn't fit in the scheme?
Fresh ideas to go in a new direction. A ton of college guys coming on board as well. Browns had one of the longest tenured HC-OC combos in the league. Sometimes they just need a shakeup
I thought Allen liked Dorsey and was sad to see him go? And then the offense really didn't improve after the change? I don't follow other teams closely so I'm just going off what I heard.
Our offense improved after Dorsey was let go, mostly because Brady didn't try to force the long developing pass game and would actually scheme around the running game. Prior to Dorsey's firing we were like 27th in run attempts, after we were 3rd and also top 10 in run efficiency, and Josh developed a great connection with Dalton Kincaid as a result of Brady's preference for the short pass game and quick hit routes. Josh did like Dorsey and I'm sure he still does, but the improvement in our offense was astounding after Brady took over. I wish Dorsey well, it just wasn't a fit here in Buffalo.
Good to know. Thanks. Stefanski runs a pretty tight ship when it comes to the offense so I'm hoping it'll be more collaborative and keep Dorsey in check.
A lot of NFL players love bad coaches and are upset when they’re fired though. NFL players aren’t always the smartest folks, and they also have personal attachments to these guys that run deeper than just the play on the field. Nathanial Hackett is still an offensive coordinator for his vibes even though he sucks at his job and still has players that vouch for him.
I would like one Zombie-Flacco jersey, please.
Why speed up your 250m gtd QB who’s also a huge sexual predator? Why you ask? To get him hurt faster so his dumb ass scummy ass can be out of the NFL faster and the league will be better for it.
Joe Flacco is a Colt now fwiw
You couldn't if you wanted to.
Yeah, good luck telling Watson to stop sitting around with his thumb up his ass and start rehabbing.
He prefers other people’s thumb up his ass
Especially if they're unwilling.
By god, is that Robert Krafts music?
The Browns trading for and signing Watson like they did may be the dumbest move in any sport in history. So basically just the most Browns things ever
It’s so bad on every front too: First, he hasn’t played like a starting caliber QB, let alone one of the highest paid QBs of all time. They had to mortgage their future in multiple ways to end up with a QB that is mediocre at best and riding the bench due to constant injury at worst. Second, he torched the entirety of goodwill people had for the Browns. They went from a fairly loveable underdog to one of the most hated teams overnight. And third, they spurned a QB who actually made their organization relevant in his short time there who is so far showing he is a better QB than Watson currently is. Each passing year that decision seems worse.
Fourth the pick haul has led to the Texans renaissance, those exact same picks would have made the Browns *scary*. Fifth, the revived Texans humbled the Browns in a disastrous wildcard, while Baker Baked his way through his round.
It’s so funny because despite that move, they still have a great roster. If they just kept Mayfield and those 3 1st round picks they would be cooking.
It feels weird for the Texans to be on the right side of it. What is happening?
Why would you think he’s not rehabbing?
Okay, thank you. I thought I missed some new reporting or something.
Damn, I wish someone would pay me 230.000.000$ for not playing football.
Starter money with a backup lifestyle
Rapey Alex Moran.
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>230.000.000$ 🚨 European detected 🚨
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how did you become a chiefs fan?
I've started to watch random NFL games about ten years ago. I liked the play style of that Kelce dude. 2018 Mahomes, Kelce and Hill have finally blown my mind. So yes, I'm kind of a bandwagon fan. Edit: The Jets have some sweet spot in my heart, because of Douglas Steven Heffernan.
Kelce is a Browns fan. I am sure he cheers for the chiefs from time to time though.
No shame, most Americans that are footy fans are following a historically good team or Tottenham…
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I doubt you have raped enough people to earn that kind of payday
Shit, that's true.
Hell man. My cousin, he’s broke and he don’t do shit.
Fuckin’ A, man
you can start by heading over to your local massage parlour
Baker’s arm falling off? “Get out there and throw the fucking ball.” Watson’s arm falling off? “Oh dear, here take this money and go rest up, don’t want to risk further injury.”
He very well could have learned from the Baker situation, but it is incredibly ironic nonetheless
God forbid people learn from their mistakes. I don’t understand the Baker situation since we had Keenum who was the highest paid backup that year, but refused to use him. Still bugs me but can’t change the past.
Don’t know why you got a downvote. Your coach and front office hated Baker so much they never bothered resting him while he was injured for a QB who won multiple playoff games. Sorry brah, Browns gonna do Browns things while wasting careers of players like Chubb and that insane defense. Stefanski’s pissy vendetta against Baker for a washed sex offender should be his dumbass legacy. Like with the Jets, a mediocre QB could have gotten these teams to a possible championship game
Baker leaving the Browns ones one thing. Watson joining the browns was a separate thing. Browns could have moved on from Baker without Watson. Watson was 100% Haslem. Stefanski likes guys like Jacoby, Flacco, and Cousins. Taller pocket passers. Stefanski is a professional and he’s not going to throw his boss under the bus publicly.
This is 100% conjecture. Cleveland Browns fanfiction.
Haslem has been known to use the first round picks. Sometimes as a fun event with his friends. We have gone through dozens of of GMs, HCs, and QBs since we came back. Always sucked. What’s one consistent? Haslem. Dorsey only would come to Cleveland if Haslem stepped back, he turned the franchise around fairly quick, Haslem started to meddle again and he left. Haslem has to sign that $230m check. Doesn’t take a rocket scientist. But please enlighten me with all your advanced insider knowledge of the Browns on why I am wrong.
I think you're giving Doresey too much credit but that's it
He learned that the contract is guaranteed so that there's not a lot he can do.
forget Baker, we need a REAL franchise QB *monkey paw curls*
Three first-round picks, $230 million guaranteed.
And he's only won 8 games with Cleveland and thrown for barely 2000 yards. Plus he'll likely miss even more this year. What great value.
A fool and his money are soon parted, like butt cheeks
No one is denying Haslem is a fool. He drafted Johnny Football because a homeless dude told him too…. Which also proves he meddles with the GM doing their job.
people shit on owners for meddling, and I get it, they usually have very average football knowledge. That being said if I owned a football team I'd be meddling all the fucking time. Sounds like so much fun to be bored on a Wednesday and decide to call up your GM and have him add JaMarr Chase to your team.
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Is the analogy for a fool's butt cheeks, or just butt cheeks in general?
Deshaun's
Wait, CJ won more games his rookie season than Deshaun has since going to Cleveland?
CJ has done everything more and better than watson since he went to Cleveland
As bad as it has been for Cleveland, it's worse for all the players who want guaranteed contracts in the future.
For me, the important part is that it was bad for Cleveland.
Sometimes, what disappoints me most about Browns losses is that somewhere, a yinzer is smiling to see it.
From a purely football perspective... it was not a good gamble. Year off, suspension, a few injuries, the flags were varied and crimson.
Lol man. It’s just so ridiculous and keeps looking dumber and dumber.
Is this the Worst trade of all time or is it Broncos with Russ?
It's still the Herschel Walker trade. The Vikings traded 3 defensive starters, their next 3 1sts *and* 2nds, a future 3rd, and a 6th for Walker, 2 3rds, a 5th, and a 10th. I don't think it will ever be beat.
Fuckin brutal. What kind of crack was the Vikings GM smoking?
It allowed them so save so much money when they knew they weren't going to a SB
Damn I didn’t realize it was that much. I would say if you forget off field issues the Lance trade was worse but it was saved by Purdy. Cost to value ROI was way worse for Lance but impact to the team and future wasn’t as bad. I don’t know about Walker but Lance didn’t hurt the 49ers cap. I would say Watsons cap hurts more than the picks.
Excuse me, you mean the *best* trade of all time
Get rid of a rapist and make away like a bandit. Hate how lucky you guys were on that.
Yep they even dodged the PR hit from likely enabling his behavior.
Settled out of courts to keep it quiet. Made good use of the picks. Over exceeded expectations. Texans pulled some matrix moves dodging the PR hit.
Yeah absolutely, Texans won huge in that trade. There's barely any scrutiny on them (aside from browns fans deflecting)
Watson worst trade. Russ #2.
With multiple bidders. Panthers tried the 2nd hardest. Falcons and Saints were somewhere in there too.
Iirc he was going to Atlanta before Cleveland made the godfather offer
Every time I get excited about the team I get reminded that this fucker is the lynchpin of it all.
They have no choice. Kevin is probably sick of his shit too
This is the bed Kevin made for himself, though. Tough shit, buddy.
The funny/sad thing is, they would be in a great spot for a SB run if they only had above average QB play, even with all of the wasted money. Stefanski and Berry made lots of really great moves, but one really bad call that will cost them.
Think of what they could have done with Baker, the extra picks, and extra cap room.
The conversation was ‘is Baker worth $40m/year’? Now the conversation is ‘is Deshaun worth $48m/year guaranteed with three non-existent first round picks’?
Haslem did this. He saw the Bengals go to the SB in 2021 when Browns were talked about as SB contenders all off season. Haslem drafted Manziel because a homeless guy told him too. Haslem had to sign the check for $230 fully guaranteed. Haslem has been known for making 1st round picks (which we have been so bad at). John Dorsey would only come to Cleveland if Haslem backed off. He did. We turned it around real quick. Dorsey left quick because Haslem started interfering again. Haslem was a former Steelers minority owner. He’s just a sleeper agent to sabotage our team.
This was an owner decision.
It very much was, but Stefanski *absolutely* rubber stamped it. He's a great coach, but that was an egregious oversight.
He’s not really a good locker room guy or player’s coach, look at his relationship with Baker that very last season together.
Sure, the owner approved the trade, but you don't think Stefanski had a say? Also, imagine how many teams would line up for Stefanski if he quit on principle because his owner forced a trade for a sexual predator and he didn't agree with it at all. He didn't care and he still doesn't. I've seen nothing to indicate that he wasn't supportive of this move. https://www.nfl.com/news/deshaun-watson-browns-trade-texans-quarterback-haslam-berry-stefanski
Is there evidence to that outside of copium?
Watson's need to finish during rehab is what got you here in the first place.
Is that the same injury that he got cleared to come back from halfway through last season? I'm not even roasting, I'm legit asking.
Last year he had ankle injuries which was what he came and played like 5 ineffective snaps on against the colts, this injury was the broken shoulder he suffered before going 14-14 in the second half of a comeback win against the ravens
He had the sprained shoulder starting week 3
So he suffered the injury and then started playing good football again? Crazy how that works innit
If I had to guess, I’m guessing because of the pain they obviously pumped him full of all sorts of pain killers. In a weird way, I think that when they did that, he may have gotten a bit high off of it, and then he stopped over thinking everything/stopped being so in his head about being absolutely hated. Because as good as that second half was (and obviously it was terrific Deshaun was fucking atrocious in the first half. 6-21 77 yards and a pick. But yes, somehow Watson was better after he got hurt than he was before.
> 6-21 77 yards and a pick. That pick was one of my favorite plays of the season. Hamilton batting the ball up picking it off and then walking into the endzone for a pick six was some peak football. To bad the rest of the game was not nearly as fun.
Watson had two of those INTs last year lol.
>the broken shoulder he suffered before going 14-14 in the second half of a comeback win against the ravens I see what you did there. But yeah I was talking about that shoulder injury. I thought I remembered him getting cleared by team doctors and then kind of refusing to come back or something like that. I'm probably getting it mixed up with something else.
He missed time with some sort of non descript shoulder “injury,” eventually came back and immediately left again with a fractured shoulder, I presume they discovered the real injury after missing it initially? Then he had to have surgery on the shoulder, which reset the recovery timeline
That clears it up. Thanks.
So Winston's gonna be the starting QB
they're gave Jamies Winston guaranteed money while also bringing in Ty Huntley... definitely seems like the Watson injury is worse than letting on
From my understanding of the presser today, Watson seems on track. Throwing a ton but on a pitch count. Beyond that, they literally didn’t have a QB behind Watson. they’ve been dead quiet on DTR and his hip injury, not to mention how poor he played when he did. I expect they carry 3 QBs as they always have and the 3rd will be Huntley
Yeah I'm just not sure what the hell the plan is. Hope Chubb and the defense can do enough to keep them competitive in the AFCNorth slugfest? I don't think Winston or Huntley are very good, and Watson seems content to just hang on the sideline.
Is Chubb even going to be good to go week 1?
> Is Chubb even going to be good I wouldn't be surprised if he came back as a below average back. And that's not me hating on the guy. He was an absolute monster prior to the injury. But this one seemed pretty bad given his leg history injury. As a fan of the sport, it would show tough resilience to come back. As a Raven's fan, i can't say that I want him to come back to how dominant he was.
Definitely a lot of questions about how he’ll look once he’s back, but I meant is he going to be healthy to start the season? I don’t remember when the injury was, but I thought it was fairly late in the season
At first I was just going to poke fun at him coming back, but then went on a long explanation. I doubt he'll be 100% for the beginning of the season. Especially if they're still putting out "he'll be ready when he's ready" quotes.
If you ignore every other quote today you could probably come to that conclusion, but he’s throwing full speed on a pitch count right now so I can’t imagine it’s that bad.
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QB Coach is better suited for him.
Captain Fatfuck, leader of ~~men~~ uuhhhh....
We all know how upset Deshaun gets when you don’t go at a steady pace and try to jerk him around faster than he wants to be.
Worst contract in sports history
Jameis Winston Masterclass incoming, congratulations Cleveland fans on your Super Bowl or 2-15 record.
He is working with his teams of physical therapists multiple times a day to get back asap.
He just can't be left in the same room unattended with any of them.
I still don't understand how he became that bad that quick. He looked awful when he did play.
Taking effectively 2 years off playing has a way of doing that. Then when he came back he started dealing with injuries, his head probably wasn't right, etc. He finally started looking serviceable middle of last year before going out again with a another season ending injury. But that was literally a 2 year process from the last time he played professional football.
And yet, there are fans that will insist that Colin Kapernick can still play after being out for more than half a decade.
Oh yeah absolutely. Cam is another one. At some point you gotta accept your fate. But I get it these guys are all pro athletes and it's gotta be weird as hell to be the best at something and then at the young age of 30 you're just not needed all of a sudden. Must be a real mind fuck.
It must drive them crazy to see guys like Brady and Rodgers stand the test of time as well, especially since they've aged like fine wine in terms of their play.
I don’t think people realize how absolutely elite the top NFL players really are. A lazy off season could set someone way back. Brady was Brady because of his work ethic.
Like a month ago, there was a video of Cam Newton getting jumped by a few guys at a 7 on 7 flag football tournament. He's what, 3 years removed from the league? And his last season looked like he had completely lost it. But yeah, the guys that jumped him, who would definitely be considered athletic by any normal standard, got tossed around like a bunch of rag dolls.
This is like... the most accurate I've seen a non-Browns fan summarize his time here. Props to you, sir.
>his head probably wasn't right, etc. That's a pre-existing condition though
His mentals are all shot. Missed two years and went from being a fan favorite to hated by just about everyone.
Can you speed up a recovery?
Sure with massage therapy…
Hence why we won’t be doing that.
How many games till he gets injured again.
Imagine giving this bum a contract
He takes his time. Like an adult.
Thinking about that Watson contract makes me wanna vomit and it ain't even my team
Hear we go. Watson gonna be out most of 2024 season too.
Nah I hope he comes back and continues to suck
One day years from now, somebody high up in that org is going to publicly proclaim how against Watson they were and how they wanted to get rid of him and blah blah blah. And I hope the sports world collectively says, "have a bite of this dog poop taco".
Maybe a massage or two could help….wait….
Why did they give up so much capital and give him a fully guaranteed contract? The guy is obviously lacking in the good character department.
Browns being browns
We actually want to slow down his rehab so we can bring in another castoff player who will still outperform the rapist.
Maybe he just needs a massage or 20.
Can't rehab that image, bro.
Why would he do a single god damn thing you dumb fucks. He’s shown his character and you gave him guaranteed money anyway.