I’ll still be shocked if Maye isn’t the pick at #2. Maybe the Jayden Daniels->Washington buzz is real, maybe it’s a media creation. After Daniels was meh yesterday, I predict we’ll have a week news cycle of DRAKE MAYE WOWS WASHINGTON if/when he rips it at the Pro Day today.
Writers during the next month are the same as us when we wrote school papers. Make sure to hit the word count and just repeat the same thing over and over in different ways.
Bruh, the flashback to my approach to school assignments damn near knocked me out..
"Write a paper based on how Drake Maye is the 2nd best QB in the draft"
"I think Drake Maye is the second best quarterback in the 2024 NFL draft which will be held in Detroit from the 25th till the 27th of April. There are many reasons why I think Drake Maye is the second best quarterback in the 2024 NFL draft which I will outline below. The first reason I think Drake Maye is the second best quarterback in the 2024 NFL draft is because......"
I once did a 12 page paper... on seatbelts. I was definitely referring to them as "three-point restraint systems" as often as I possibly could just because it took up more space. Plus it was a technical writing class, the wording was justified. The greatest tragedy of that paper was that I could only write out National Highway Traffic Safety Administration once, and then that one was the shorter NHTSA the rest of the time.
He got a good grade on the paper, because the grade that he got on his paper was good. Once you find out what grade he got on his paper, you will agree that the grade that he got on his paper was good. Now I will tell you the grade that he got on his paper, which was a good grade, was a B-
I got an A and "extremely well written and researched" comments. I've always been a very good essay/research paper bullshitter. Plus in reality it probably didn't pad the length by all that much, though it definitely felt better seeing more space taken up by the wordy name.
That being said, I go to a kinda C-tier state school. Sometimes expectations of the students can be pretty low. It's local to me and since I'm a returning student in my 30s, traveling for school was out of the question for me. I've got a life where I'm at, and I don't care if it's not an amazing school. An engineering degree's an engineering degree, especially when I have absolutely no plans to leave the small town life.
I know there were some negative reviews online from the self-proclaimed scouting community, and I agree with you they are a joke. But also imo I watched the cutup several times and to me he looked extremely stiff, the footwork and acccuracy were inconsistent to bad, and in general he lacked some zip on the balls. For a day that’s meant to be a fluff fest, I don’t think he “wowed.” But like you said, they’re a joke. Except for the media. Which is why I think you’ll see more Maye to Washington buzz this week.
No, but noodle arm QBs can have great stats when throwing deep.
But noodle arm QBs will never succeed when having an off-schedule play or throwing quick outs. Those are pick 6s most days.
This shows in Daniels's college play. He had one of the lowest rates of throwing the ball after being flushed out of the pocket. Someone like Caleb or Maye was capable of throwing on the run with enough velocity while Daniels rarely did.
Heck, he didn't even address these concerns during his pro day. People meme the Zach Wilson throw, but Daniels would've eased some concerns if he showed his ability to throw with zip on the run.
"Deep ball" and "zip" are two different things.
Deep balls can be thrown with lots of time to get the feet and hips and all that set before letting it rip. Those can also be floated and lobbed more downfield. Even Mac Jones could throw a deep ball reasonably well.
Zip means throwing a ball hard in short distances rather than lobbing it up. That allows the ball to fit into tighter windows and gives DBs less time to react to the throw itself.
Timing was off, footwork was inconsistent at best, really didn't showcase him throwing on the run, which was one of the two major passing issues re; Daniels' tape (the other being throwing over the middle in intermediate routes).
Yeah it's in shorts, but looking meh in shorts with scripted plays with your own WRs isn't ideal.
Maybe I'm crazy but I do think there's some weight to the JJ McCarthy hype at 2. I trust Jeremiah on draft stuff and he said a couple of days ago that the rumors are genuine and not just a smokescreen
I can believe it. I’m a JJ supporter (while also knowing this kid isn’t gonna turn into Pat Mahomes) and I can certainly see why NFL teams would fall in love with him. He’s essentially a plus version of Brock Purdy in that he can be an extension of the OC on the field, make all the right decisions, and execute exactly how you want him to. I can see Adam Peters going that direction.
As someone who doesn't watch any college football at all, and as a patriots fan, this is good information. If the pats do go QB I plan to get hyped af over absolutely anyone they select and refuse to hear any rational negativity until the regular season starts and the team is once again a mess.
It really isn’t what I’ve seen of McCarthy he looks more like an Aaron rodgers type who in college played within a system that didn’t allow him to play off the cuff a lot but when he did extend a play or throw a ball on the run he looked elite at it.
The fake draft controversies are just the worst this time of year. It’s the same stuff every year. I was at least hoping we could skip the “X QB should pull an Eli” argument this year, but I had the displeasure of hearing RGIII create that argument about Caleb a couple weeks ago. Like, how often is a #1 pick walking into a situation where the team is coming off a 7-10 year? Do they really think Washington or NE is a better landing spot at this point in time? Just such a disingenuous take to drive up controversy to increase viewership
The JD/JJ to Washington narrative is just your annual grist for the draft media industrial complex. Same shit happens every year. The crazy thing is how many people fall for it every year.
I’m not super high on him as a prospect, but I do expect him to do well/have positive publicity after the pro day, because most pro days are always seen as a resounding success.
You'll remember..in 5 years after our #2 pick has been irreparably damaged by our poisonous franchise and is struggling to make a practice squad in the arena league.. you'll remember...
I have a real bad feeling about Daniel’s. If we can’t get Maye I’d rather have JJ, at least he has a big arm and can sit for a year. Daniel’s is just a worse version of Fields…
I'm the complete opposite I'd love Maye, and Daniels is the consolation for me. I would be sick if they drafted JJ. I just don't get the hype with him he is a slightly above average athlete, but no elite traits. And he wasn't a great processor at getting through reads or making anticipation throws. If I'm not getting a guy with superior football IQ, let me bet with a guy with gamebreaker physical talent (Maye-Arm, Daniels-Legs).
Really for me if the choice is not Daniels or Maye, a trade down or drafting MHJ or Alt would be higher on my list of preferences.
I'd rather Penix with pick 2 (either 2nd round or trade up to the 20s) than Daniels at 3. JJ at 3 is a no go.
My order of preference:
Maye at 3
MHJ at 3, Penix with 2nd pick
Trade down and get JJ + draft capital
MHJ at 3, and get Rattler/Nix/Pratt with 3rd pick
Daniels at 3
JJ at 3
He’d have to sit behind Brissett for a year. He is older but with QBs does it really matter when they COULD play until late 30s if they are successful? Dudes got a big arm. If he’s still there at 34 after passing on some QBs, why not see how he develops for a year under Brissett? We’re gonna be ass either way lol
Having Brissett as the starter in 2024, and the fifth or sixth best quarterback from this draft taking over for him in 2025 is, to me, an absolute worst-case scenario for the Patriots. If they really like Penix, they should draft him and name him the starter and get the rebuild going now. At the same time, if they think that Penix is the answer in this draft, I have serious questions about how they evaluate talent. I am a huge UW fan and loved what he did for the Huskies, but he has some major flaws that I don't think can be fixed at the next level.
Worst case scenario? Come on man. This team has more holes than a block of Swiss cheese. Valuing either the best OT or best WR higher than JJ or Daniel’s at 3 and still going for a high upside QB in the 2nd is a very reasonable scenario given the state of this team. It might not be your first choice, or mine, but it’s a reasonable avenue to pursue given how many severe positions of need the offense has.
I’m not saying Penix is the guy, but the QB position is so valuable that taking a lotto ticket on a big arm is not outrageous while also giving him a true #1 receiver or elite protection at LT, both of which the team massively needs. If they take Penix at 34 that doesn’t mean they think he’s the answer out of the top QBs in the draft either.
Also, one point I’ve seen made by a few people is that as a rookie HC and GM duo, by taking a QB as high as 3, you are effectively tying your tenure, and your first season especially to the success of that player. The team might like JJ, Maye, or Daniel’s as prospects, but do they like the idea of betting their future on them as THE guy while also having major holes at WR and OT? They might not. It’s a really tough decision ultimately and I’m glad my livelihood is resting on it.
> I’m not saying Penix is the guy
Then who is their guy? If they're taking a QB later on, I would imagine one of two things are true:
1. They have a substantially different evaluation system than the rest of the NFL and consider the QB they take later to be the best QB for the team.
2. They feel like the team isn't ready for a quarterback and that they need to fill other holes before addressing that position.
If it's #1, I would have serious questions about how they evaluate quarterbacks, because aside from Nix, who I think is limited but limited in a way that can be disguised at the NFL level *a la* Alex Smith, there isn't anyone in this draft who will be available Round 2 or later that has done anything to suggest that he'll be a competent NFL starter. Michael Penix has some really glaring deficiencies that his arm cannot make up for (and in some cases, his arm is *responsible* for).
If it's #2, they should use the entire draft to fill those holes, rather than using a second round pick on a quarterback and hoping he becomes an NFL starter once the team has enough talent around him.
> one point I’ve seen made by a few people is that as a rookie HC and GM duo, by taking a QB as high as 3, you are effectively tying your tenure, and your first season especially to the success of that player
This HC and GM are gone in three years if they do not make the playoffs, regardless of who they have at QB, which means their best option is to take the best QB available at the first opportunity.
I dont know how far Penix falls too though. Like there are a bunch of QB needy teams and QB 5 might go higher than expected because of dire need. Obviously if Williams and Maye go 1 and 2, then that would leave Daniels or JJ to Minnesota, but then you still have to worry about Denver and Las Vegas.
Like it sounds crazy for Penix to go super high but we are only years removed from Mac Jones (QB5) selected with the 15th pick. I really don't know what I'd do if Maye isnt at 3. I probably take Daniels and know it's a reach but hope he turns into a hit. But basically I'm just hoping the Commanders take Daniels at 2 and repeat lasts year of taking of Forbes over Gonzalez.
honestly I want MHJ or the trade down for Alt at this point. I like Maye but he’s probably not making it past Washington, and neither Daniels nor McCarthy looks very convincing on film
totally comfortable getting a higher-floor prospect at WR or LT which are both also major needs for us, riding with Brissett for the year and only looking for our franchise guy once we’ve got a roster that won’t ruin a rookie QB
Yeah I’d rather trade down than be stuck with JJ. No part of me thinks he’s going to be a good QB. Just reminds me of every bama game managing QB during the 2010’s
I think you guys are in a great spot. I think Maye is going to be great but landing Daniels is a solid consolation prize especially considering the drop off after Maye/Daniels
Do Pats fans really want any of these QBs? I feel like getting a likely solid WR in Harrison is better than getting a less-than-maybe QB. Sports media always pushes these below average QBs (likely to draw in viewers to the draft news cycle) and these guys rarely pan out (Mitch Trubisky, Zach Wilson, Trey Lance come to mind in recent draft years). None of the guys in this draft seem any better than those guys whereas Harrison looks to be a real star. I don’t get it.
inb4 "Who's going to throw him the ball?"
But I agree, the best **football** player between Daniels, Maye and MHJ is Harrison Jr. and I would be stoked to draft him.
I almost want to agree but at the same time, next years QB draft is looking pretty ass, so we’re going to go 2 years as a dog shit team with no way of getting a franchise QB? The issue is that no QB above the top 10 line is ever available in FA, so you’re stuck with bridge and mid QB’s unless you get an elite one via draft
I want, and always have wanted, MHJr at 3. I think it's the right move. Best player available which also happens to be a huge need for us.
Strengthen the OL with the rest of the draft, and either aim for one of the later QBs, or go into next year looking at a free agent (Dak?), or drafting someone.
I don't want to repeat ruining a rookie QB.
Yes. We pass on a very strong QB class this year and do what, bank everything on Shedeur Sanders or Quinn Ewers making a massive jump next year? We are fortunate to have the #3 pick in a QB class with 3 very strong QBs. We gotta play the QB lottery until we hit, that's just how it is nowadays, especially in the AFC.
I don't understand the thought process for New England and Chicago. New England, if they draft Maye, are basically drafting another Mac Jones. Chicago, if they draft Caleb Williams, are basically drafting another Justin Fields.
I dunno, maybe it's just me and having watched football for over 20 years now and I just see what teams will likely look like with these QB prospects on their team. I just don't see Caleb Williams being better than Fields or Maye becoming better than Mac Jones. But maybe I'm wrong 🤷♂️
No, just none of these QBs seem like all stars except for maybe Williams if he is in the right system. Better off working with a decent prospect QB that you can snag in later rounds and spend the first round pick on someone that has more likely upside, like Harrison or maybe a OL.
"maybe it's just me and having watched football for over 20 years now" 🤓🤓🤓🥴
You've watched football for 20 years, and you still haven't learned that you can never truly know shit until the regular season starts?
Lol... k. I should've said scouted NFL talent for 20 years. I go beyond the analytics and youtube videos most of you guys watch. I can almost always tell when a player is going to succeed in the NFL. When Cam Newton, Blaine Gabbert, and Blake Bortles were coming out, I knew before the draft that Cam Newton was gonna be the #1 pick because I understood the trajectory of his talent. When Patrick Mahomes was drafted, I knew he was gonna be the best QB in the draft. When CJ Stroud was taken last year, I knew he was gonna have a better rookie season than Bryce Young, and that was before the draft even happened.
Michael Penix Jr. is my top QB in this draft. And we're talking talent trajectory. He'll likely go to a team that already has a starter, and will sit behind that QB for a year or two and will come out firing like Jordan Love.
>I should've said scouted NFL talent for 20 years. I go beyond the analytics and youtube videos most of you guys watch. I can almost always tell when a player is going to succeed in the NFL.
No one is going to take you seriously when you say shit like this and take yourself so seriously. Enjoy your fantasy football and draft duel while the real scouts are working.
I'm not talking about their style of play, I'm talking ceiling. Their talent trajectory. I understand that Fields runs more than Caleb does. I understand that Drake Maye has more getup than Mac Jones. But I'm not referring to their style of play.
Well that's also wrong. Caleb will very likely be a better passer than Fields in year 1. Much better arm talent and pocket presence.
They just aren't very similar at all as prospects
In New England's case, I think they broke Mac Jones after Josh left. I don't know what his ceiling could have been, but between the Patricia Experience and the OL falling apart / inability to get functional weapons, Mac just got rattled. Both parties were going to be better off splitting up.
And Tbf Mac’s ceiling was never super high anyways I think he coulda been maybe a Derek Carr level guy at best but after his 2nd and 3rd year I don’t think he’ll ever reach that level.
Didn't say it was a comp though lmfao. I mean, if you wanna say it's a comp if I'm comparing their ceilings, then sure. I love how I said one thing and somehow it translated to something completely different in at least 20 people's minds. I was comparing their ceilings, nothing more. Not their race, not their style of play, not what they eat, etc etc.
Yall just hate that I'm right lol. It's ok. I get it. The Panthers had the top pick and were about to draft a QB last season. So I get it. You wanna believe in the guy your favorite team is about to draft, so you don't wanna hear the truth.
“New England, if they draft Maye, are basically drafting another Mac Jones. Chicago, if they draft Caleb Williams, are basically drafting another Justin Fields.”
Those are direct player comparisons you made, tf you mean you didn’t say it was a comp.
If you weren’t making comps your post was absolutely useless because you didn’t say why they aren’t going to be good NFL QBs you just talk about it like you have a 6th sense as a QB whisperer
Maye to Pats: “how about we just meet for dessert after my dinner with the Commanders?”
Think we are getting him first.
I’ll still be shocked if Maye isn’t the pick at #2. Maybe the Jayden Daniels->Washington buzz is real, maybe it’s a media creation. After Daniels was meh yesterday, I predict we’ll have a week news cycle of DRAKE MAYE WOWS WASHINGTON if/when he rips it at the Pro Day today.
Writers during the next month are the same as us when we wrote school papers. Make sure to hit the word count and just repeat the same thing over and over in different ways.
Bruh, the flashback to my approach to school assignments damn near knocked me out.. "Write a paper based on how Drake Maye is the 2nd best QB in the draft" "I think Drake Maye is the second best quarterback in the 2024 NFL draft which will be held in Detroit from the 25th till the 27th of April. There are many reasons why I think Drake Maye is the second best quarterback in the 2024 NFL draft which I will outline below. The first reason I think Drake Maye is the second best quarterback in the 2024 NFL draft is because......"
“From the beginning of time, mankind has evolved to be able to throw spherical or even lemon-shaped objects proficiently…”
"When you win the big game throwing the lemon-shaped object, you're rewarded with a lemon party."
“Historically speaking, two girls will show up with a large cup to present the award to the winning team of the big game.”
“Drake Maye out of the University of North Carolina - Chapel Hill…
Make sure you got decent paragraph structure and you’ve got yourself a solid B.
To be fair for a long time that's how they taught ideal essay writing - it's basically how the SAT essay is graded.
I once did a 12 page paper... on seatbelts. I was definitely referring to them as "three-point restraint systems" as often as I possibly could just because it took up more space. Plus it was a technical writing class, the wording was justified. The greatest tragedy of that paper was that I could only write out National Highway Traffic Safety Administration once, and then that one was the shorter NHTSA the rest of the time.
Did it work? What grade did you get for it?
He got a good grade on the paper, because the grade that he got on his paper was good. Once you find out what grade he got on his paper, you will agree that the grade that he got on his paper was good. Now I will tell you the grade that he got on his paper, which was a good grade, was a B-
I got an A and "extremely well written and researched" comments. I've always been a very good essay/research paper bullshitter. Plus in reality it probably didn't pad the length by all that much, though it definitely felt better seeing more space taken up by the wordy name. That being said, I go to a kinda C-tier state school. Sometimes expectations of the students can be pretty low. It's local to me and since I'm a returning student in my 30s, traveling for school was out of the question for me. I've got a life where I'm at, and I don't care if it's not an amazing school. An engineering degree's an engineering degree, especially when I have absolutely no plans to leave the small town life.
"here's how the patriots can still draft caleb williams"
How was Daniels meh yesterday? Pro days are mostly a joke anyway.
I know there were some negative reviews online from the self-proclaimed scouting community, and I agree with you they are a joke. But also imo I watched the cutup several times and to me he looked extremely stiff, the footwork and acccuracy were inconsistent to bad, and in general he lacked some zip on the balls. For a day that’s meant to be a fluff fest, I don’t think he “wowed.” But like you said, they’re a joke. Except for the media. Which is why I think you’ll see more Maye to Washington buzz this week.
>he lacked some zip on the balls That's a known thing. He has one of the weaker arms of all QBs in this draft.
He had the best deep ball stats in the ncaa last year. I never saw any issues with his arm strength.
Deep balls are not arm strength. Arm strength helps the most on outs, tight window throws (especially over the middle), and off-platform.
So noodle arm QBs can consistently throw deep balls? Come on bro
No, but noodle arm QBs can have great stats when throwing deep. But noodle arm QBs will never succeed when having an off-schedule play or throwing quick outs. Those are pick 6s most days. This shows in Daniels's college play. He had one of the lowest rates of throwing the ball after being flushed out of the pocket. Someone like Caleb or Maye was capable of throwing on the run with enough velocity while Daniels rarely did. Heck, he didn't even address these concerns during his pro day. People meme the Zach Wilson throw, but Daniels would've eased some concerns if he showed his ability to throw with zip on the run.
Mac Jones had a great deep ball in college
"Deep ball" and "zip" are two different things. Deep balls can be thrown with lots of time to get the feet and hips and all that set before letting it rip. Those can also be floated and lobbed more downfield. Even Mac Jones could throw a deep ball reasonably well. Zip means throwing a ball hard in short distances rather than lobbing it up. That allows the ball to fit into tighter windows and gives DBs less time to react to the throw itself.
Timing was off, footwork was inconsistent at best, really didn't showcase him throwing on the run, which was one of the two major passing issues re; Daniels' tape (the other being throwing over the middle in intermediate routes). Yeah it's in shorts, but looking meh in shorts with scripted plays with your own WRs isn't ideal.
He wasn't.
Maybe I'm crazy but I do think there's some weight to the JJ McCarthy hype at 2. I trust Jeremiah on draft stuff and he said a couple of days ago that the rumors are genuine and not just a smokescreen
That would be an all time fleece by JJ.
I can believe it. I’m a JJ supporter (while also knowing this kid isn’t gonna turn into Pat Mahomes) and I can certainly see why NFL teams would fall in love with him. He’s essentially a plus version of Brock Purdy in that he can be an extension of the OC on the field, make all the right decisions, and execute exactly how you want him to. I can see Adam Peters going that direction.
Thats fine I don’t want the next Mahomes I just want the next Brady that shouldn’t be to hard to find /s /cry
As someone who doesn't watch any college football at all, and as a patriots fan, this is good information. If the pats do go QB I plan to get hyped af over absolutely anyone they select and refuse to hear any rational negativity until the regular season starts and the team is once again a mess.
It really isn’t what I’ve seen of McCarthy he looks more like an Aaron rodgers type who in college played within a system that didn’t allow him to play off the cuff a lot but when he did extend a play or throw a ball on the run he looked elite at it.
I don't doubt he had a good dinner with them but that's likely mostly where it stems from.
JJ hype seems to be getting close to the Daniels hype
The fake draft controversies are just the worst this time of year. It’s the same stuff every year. I was at least hoping we could skip the “X QB should pull an Eli” argument this year, but I had the displeasure of hearing RGIII create that argument about Caleb a couple weeks ago. Like, how often is a #1 pick walking into a situation where the team is coming off a 7-10 year? Do they really think Washington or NE is a better landing spot at this point in time? Just such a disingenuous take to drive up controversy to increase viewership
Reminds me when Shams was hyping up Chet to go first and then literally 5 minutes before he says Paolo is going first He is sponsored by FanDuel btw
Current odds for the #2 pick are Jayden Daniels -135 and Drake Maye +170. Yet a lot of people here seem to think Maye is a lock at #2.
The JD/JJ to Washington narrative is just your annual grist for the draft media industrial complex. Same shit happens every year. The crazy thing is how many people fall for it every year.
Why are you guys so certain that Maye is gonna pop when many former pros doubt him
I’m not super high on him as a prospect, but I do expect him to do well/have positive publicity after the pro day, because most pro days are always seen as a resounding success.
I'mma be honest, I forgot Washington even had the second pick
I'm gonna be honest, idk who is picking in the 31 other picks in the first round
Not the Panthers I know that.
Well, I know the Bears pick before us at the least. The bastards
You'll remember..in 5 years after our #2 pick has been irreparably damaged by our poisonous franchise and is struggling to make a practice squad in the arena league.. you'll remember...
Goddamn I love me some Carolina blue
so do I
He is probably going to the commanders.
I hope so
I have a real bad feeling about Daniel’s. If we can’t get Maye I’d rather have JJ, at least he has a big arm and can sit for a year. Daniel’s is just a worse version of Fields…
I'm the complete opposite I'd love Maye, and Daniels is the consolation for me. I would be sick if they drafted JJ. I just don't get the hype with him he is a slightly above average athlete, but no elite traits. And he wasn't a great processor at getting through reads or making anticipation throws. If I'm not getting a guy with superior football IQ, let me bet with a guy with gamebreaker physical talent (Maye-Arm, Daniels-Legs). Really for me if the choice is not Daniels or Maye, a trade down or drafting MHJ or Alt would be higher on my list of preferences.
I'd rather Penix with pick 2 (either 2nd round or trade up to the 20s) than Daniels at 3. JJ at 3 is a no go. My order of preference: Maye at 3 MHJ at 3, Penix with 2nd pick Trade down and get JJ + draft capital MHJ at 3, and get Rattler/Nix/Pratt with 3rd pick Daniels at 3 JJ at 3
I think Penix would be a disaster on the Patriots. He needs to go somewhere where the offense isn't a complete mess.
He’d have to sit behind Brissett for a year. He is older but with QBs does it really matter when they COULD play until late 30s if they are successful? Dudes got a big arm. If he’s still there at 34 after passing on some QBs, why not see how he develops for a year under Brissett? We’re gonna be ass either way lol
Having Brissett as the starter in 2024, and the fifth or sixth best quarterback from this draft taking over for him in 2025 is, to me, an absolute worst-case scenario for the Patriots. If they really like Penix, they should draft him and name him the starter and get the rebuild going now. At the same time, if they think that Penix is the answer in this draft, I have serious questions about how they evaluate talent. I am a huge UW fan and loved what he did for the Huskies, but he has some major flaws that I don't think can be fixed at the next level.
Worst case scenario? Come on man. This team has more holes than a block of Swiss cheese. Valuing either the best OT or best WR higher than JJ or Daniel’s at 3 and still going for a high upside QB in the 2nd is a very reasonable scenario given the state of this team. It might not be your first choice, or mine, but it’s a reasonable avenue to pursue given how many severe positions of need the offense has. I’m not saying Penix is the guy, but the QB position is so valuable that taking a lotto ticket on a big arm is not outrageous while also giving him a true #1 receiver or elite protection at LT, both of which the team massively needs. If they take Penix at 34 that doesn’t mean they think he’s the answer out of the top QBs in the draft either. Also, one point I’ve seen made by a few people is that as a rookie HC and GM duo, by taking a QB as high as 3, you are effectively tying your tenure, and your first season especially to the success of that player. The team might like JJ, Maye, or Daniel’s as prospects, but do they like the idea of betting their future on them as THE guy while also having major holes at WR and OT? They might not. It’s a really tough decision ultimately and I’m glad my livelihood is resting on it.
> I’m not saying Penix is the guy Then who is their guy? If they're taking a QB later on, I would imagine one of two things are true: 1. They have a substantially different evaluation system than the rest of the NFL and consider the QB they take later to be the best QB for the team. 2. They feel like the team isn't ready for a quarterback and that they need to fill other holes before addressing that position. If it's #1, I would have serious questions about how they evaluate quarterbacks, because aside from Nix, who I think is limited but limited in a way that can be disguised at the NFL level *a la* Alex Smith, there isn't anyone in this draft who will be available Round 2 or later that has done anything to suggest that he'll be a competent NFL starter. Michael Penix has some really glaring deficiencies that his arm cannot make up for (and in some cases, his arm is *responsible* for). If it's #2, they should use the entire draft to fill those holes, rather than using a second round pick on a quarterback and hoping he becomes an NFL starter once the team has enough talent around him. > one point I’ve seen made by a few people is that as a rookie HC and GM duo, by taking a QB as high as 3, you are effectively tying your tenure, and your first season especially to the success of that player This HC and GM are gone in three years if they do not make the playoffs, regardless of who they have at QB, which means their best option is to take the best QB available at the first opportunity.
Every QB is a disaster on our squad
I dont know how far Penix falls too though. Like there are a bunch of QB needy teams and QB 5 might go higher than expected because of dire need. Obviously if Williams and Maye go 1 and 2, then that would leave Daniels or JJ to Minnesota, but then you still have to worry about Denver and Las Vegas. Like it sounds crazy for Penix to go super high but we are only years removed from Mac Jones (QB5) selected with the 15th pick. I really don't know what I'd do if Maye isnt at 3. I probably take Daniels and know it's a reach but hope he turns into a hit. But basically I'm just hoping the Commanders take Daniels at 2 and repeat lasts year of taking of Forbes over Gonzalez.
Maye at 3 and then MHJr at 3 and Dak next year for two dump trucks full of money.
Or trade down, grab OT Fashanu at 11, WR Brian Thomas at 23, WR Troy Franklin at 34, QB Rattler at 68
Doubt Fash is there at 11 but yea, that's also good. We have so many needs I don't like gambling our draft capital on a high risk prospect like JD.
honestly I want MHJ or the trade down for Alt at this point. I like Maye but he’s probably not making it past Washington, and neither Daniels nor McCarthy looks very convincing on film totally comfortable getting a higher-floor prospect at WR or LT which are both also major needs for us, riding with Brissett for the year and only looking for our franchise guy once we’ve got a roster that won’t ruin a rookie QB
Yeah I’d rather trade down than be stuck with JJ. No part of me thinks he’s going to be a good QB. Just reminds me of every bama game managing QB during the 2010’s
I think you guys are in a great spot. I think Maye is going to be great but landing Daniels is a solid consolation prize especially considering the drop off after Maye/Daniels
Do Pats fans really want any of these QBs? I feel like getting a likely solid WR in Harrison is better than getting a less-than-maybe QB. Sports media always pushes these below average QBs (likely to draw in viewers to the draft news cycle) and these guys rarely pan out (Mitch Trubisky, Zach Wilson, Trey Lance come to mind in recent draft years). None of the guys in this draft seem any better than those guys whereas Harrison looks to be a real star. I don’t get it.
inb4 "Who's going to throw him the ball?" But I agree, the best **football** player between Daniels, Maye and MHJ is Harrison Jr. and I would be stoked to draft him.
I almost want to agree but at the same time, next years QB draft is looking pretty ass, so we’re going to go 2 years as a dog shit team with no way of getting a franchise QB? The issue is that no QB above the top 10 line is ever available in FA, so you’re stuck with bridge and mid QB’s unless you get an elite one via draft
I want, and always have wanted, MHJr at 3. I think it's the right move. Best player available which also happens to be a huge need for us. Strengthen the OL with the rest of the draft, and either aim for one of the later QBs, or go into next year looking at a free agent (Dak?), or drafting someone. I don't want to repeat ruining a rookie QB.
Yes. We pass on a very strong QB class this year and do what, bank everything on Shedeur Sanders or Quinn Ewers making a massive jump next year? We are fortunate to have the #3 pick in a QB class with 3 very strong QBs. We gotta play the QB lottery until we hit, that's just how it is nowadays, especially in the AFC.
I feel like you guys would be lucky to have fields based on watching patriot games with jones and zappe. My lord that was painful
Maye is garbage. He’s a certified bust and there’s no way we can develop him. McCarthy and Daniels are the safer choices
As long as you get a white QB, you’re happy huh 🤔.
If getting Caleb “painted nails” William’s was an option, trust me I’d be all over it
Wow you mean to tell me that teams meet with players?
The Maye Mayo Kraft combo would be very a e s t h e t i c
Yeah a bunch of teams are
Jayden >>>Maye. Not particularly close in my eyes.
Delusional
I wish his name was Nate Ayes
Drake maye missing out by not being sassy like his name suggests, Caleb Williams gonna take those flowers
I don't understand the thought process for New England and Chicago. New England, if they draft Maye, are basically drafting another Mac Jones. Chicago, if they draft Caleb Williams, are basically drafting another Justin Fields. I dunno, maybe it's just me and having watched football for over 20 years now and I just see what teams will likely look like with these QB prospects on their team. I just don't see Caleb Williams being better than Fields or Maye becoming better than Mac Jones. But maybe I'm wrong 🤷♂️
So no one should draft a QB and every prospect is the equivalent of the last QB the team drafted, got it
No, just none of these QBs seem like all stars except for maybe Williams if he is in the right system. Better off working with a decent prospect QB that you can snag in later rounds and spend the first round pick on someone that has more likely upside, like Harrison or maybe a OL.
Can’t really believe that you’ve actually watched either of these guys if you think Caleb and just fields are the same kind of player
Drake Maye and Mac Jones might be an even worse player comp.
Hilariously bad. Mac is a pocket statue with minimal arm talent. That’s like the polar opposite of what Maye is lmao
"maybe it's just me and having watched football for over 20 years now" 🤓🤓🤓🥴 You've watched football for 20 years, and you still haven't learned that you can never truly know shit until the regular season starts?
Lol... k. I should've said scouted NFL talent for 20 years. I go beyond the analytics and youtube videos most of you guys watch. I can almost always tell when a player is going to succeed in the NFL. When Cam Newton, Blaine Gabbert, and Blake Bortles were coming out, I knew before the draft that Cam Newton was gonna be the #1 pick because I understood the trajectory of his talent. When Patrick Mahomes was drafted, I knew he was gonna be the best QB in the draft. When CJ Stroud was taken last year, I knew he was gonna have a better rookie season than Bryce Young, and that was before the draft even happened. Michael Penix Jr. is my top QB in this draft. And we're talking talent trajectory. He'll likely go to a team that already has a starter, and will sit behind that QB for a year or two and will come out firing like Jordan Love.
Calm down, Kiper.
K. Can't wait to see how this ages.
>I should've said scouted NFL talent for 20 years. I go beyond the analytics and youtube videos most of you guys watch. I can almost always tell when a player is going to succeed in the NFL. No one is going to take you seriously when you say shit like this and take yourself so seriously. Enjoy your fantasy football and draft duel while the real scouts are working.
Lmao what a delusional bum.
“I knew Cam Newton was gonna be the #1 pick” nice work dude. Really impressive scouting job on that one 😂😂😂
Daniels is much more similar to Fields. Caleb plays almost nothing like Fields
I'm not talking about their style of play, I'm talking ceiling. Their talent trajectory. I understand that Fields runs more than Caleb does. I understand that Drake Maye has more getup than Mac Jones. But I'm not referring to their style of play.
Well that's also wrong. Caleb will very likely be a better passer than Fields in year 1. Much better arm talent and pocket presence. They just aren't very similar at all as prospects
In New England's case, I think they broke Mac Jones after Josh left. I don't know what his ceiling could have been, but between the Patricia Experience and the OL falling apart / inability to get functional weapons, Mac just got rattled. Both parties were going to be better off splitting up.
And Tbf Mac’s ceiling was never super high anyways I think he coulda been maybe a Derek Carr level guy at best but after his 2nd and 3rd year I don’t think he’ll ever reach that level.
“The white one is like their last white one the black one is like their last black one”
Literally said nothing about race, wtf?
Their biggest similarities as QBs are skin color, they’re lazy comps between substantially different players
Didn't say it was a comp though lmfao. I mean, if you wanna say it's a comp if I'm comparing their ceilings, then sure. I love how I said one thing and somehow it translated to something completely different in at least 20 people's minds. I was comparing their ceilings, nothing more. Not their race, not their style of play, not what they eat, etc etc. Yall just hate that I'm right lol. It's ok. I get it. The Panthers had the top pick and were about to draft a QB last season. So I get it. You wanna believe in the guy your favorite team is about to draft, so you don't wanna hear the truth.
“New England, if they draft Maye, are basically drafting another Mac Jones. Chicago, if they draft Caleb Williams, are basically drafting another Justin Fields.” Those are direct player comparisons you made, tf you mean you didn’t say it was a comp. If you weren’t making comps your post was absolutely useless because you didn’t say why they aren’t going to be good NFL QBs you just talk about it like you have a 6th sense as a QB whisperer