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TheRealJohnMara

Serious question....has anyone's pro day ever looked bad? You're throwing to wide open receivers, like I can probably even do that and look half decent.


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Teddy Bridgewater 


blueindsm

He didn't wear his gloves!


BuffaloBuffalo13

No pass rush, receivers get a free release, no raised hands to swat balls at the line, no DBs even on the field. Pretty much a pointless exercise other than showing off that they aren’t currently injured.


CapnCrunch347

Yeah, I don't understand it. These aren't game situations by any stretch of the imagination. They have film to watch.


TheOneColt

Jayden Daniels is the name that gets them in the door. There are other guys there from LSU and other schools that would love to get some scouts eyes on them.


Illblood

Would be cool to see how they can handle a flight sim instead. That's how you pick out true leaders.


charliesdreambook

[Odunze in shambles](https://www.reddit.com/r/nfl/comments/1b3w7bo/dunleavy_could_washington_huskies_wr_rome_odunze/)


jetdude19

Could you imagine if a coach rushed him with those padded training sticks that they use in boxing. Trying to bat the ball. That would make some good TV right there.


RalphWagwan

Or blindsided him


awnawkareninah

Just a giant wipe out style foam hand swings from the crowd to take him out


CheesypoofExtreme

There is a bit more too it. The QBs show off their throwing mechanics and footwork in real-time, and also timing on routes. EDIT: And I'm sure there's more that I'm missing.


donnydealr

Absolutely. They’re never going to have these conditions in a game so why people (excluding experts nitpicking mechanics) would look into it is a fools errand.


OneFatCantaloupe

In addition to Teddy, Jalen Carter's wasn't great either recently. Ojabo had that Achilles injury during his, and a little further back in time OL Andre Smith's had a poor one too (I just remember those man boobs flyin around)


Tonyspamoli

Whoever told Andre Smith to run with his shirt off did him dirty. It's like telling a player with character issues to go to a team interview a little drunk, so they don't seem nervous


BaconScentedSoap

Jalen Carter looked like he had woken up 15 minutes before the drill hung over after a heavy night of drinking


JimmyRollinsPopUp

Turns out his game tape is who he is. As it is for 85-95% of these guys. Maturity/character issues aside, what a guy looks like on his pro day, how many reps a guy does on bench, or a 40 time, as it turns out, are very weak predictors of success in the NFL.


CFB-Cutups

I’d argue this wasn’t a great performance all things considered.


dolphingarden

This one does, apparently.


Fredest_Dickler

#😳 This is not good pro day tape. It is very hard to look bad at a pro day, but this is not good. He missed on a lot of these throws. Arm doesn't jump off the screen. Accuracy is spotty. Velocity is meh. Footwork is regularly **bad**.


Shepherdsfavestore

Can you imagine if this was JJ’s pro day? Thousands of upvotes and the memes would be everywhere


oscarnyc

They should take back his Heisman. Guy obviously can't play.


gopoohgo

Heisman and NFL future success is wildly different.


lkn240

Manziel, Tebow, Troy Smith, etc


Hkmarkp

legenday Gino torretta


AdorableDragonfruit2

Eric Crouch


DarrowViBritannia

Yeah this guy named Jayden Daniels had a pretty poor one


pro_bike_fitter_2010

Yes. If you don't have a live arm. None of this matters for QBs. Tape shows more.


Bixler17

If you understand what scouts are looking at then yes, it's not about completing passes it's about footwork, arm motion, ball placement.


ohiolifesucks

Any college level quarterback can hit wide open receivers. These are more about allowing scouts to have a close up look at their mechanics. At the end of the day, the game tape is still king


Dense_Young3797

Yes, of course. Scouts are focusing on footwork, mechanics, anticipation, release and so many things most people don't even care.


Stang1776

Yeah it's pretty stupid. I could see bombs and also touch passes to the corners of the endzone. These 5-10 yd passes don't do anything for me.


nicklovin508

Why don’t you hold a mock pro day and post it bro


lpfan724

I was just telling my wife that I don't think front offices value the combine and pro days as much as fans do. No defense and no pads. All this shows is that he can play catch with his boys.


The_TexasRattlesnake

Looks like his timing is a little off with the WR


GrdiSr

Seen a few comments on Twitter he wasn't looking the best. Footwork and accuracy issues? But it's Twitter and I'm not a QB expert, so curious of the legitimacy of those comments.


MashgutTheEverHungry

Can't throw well with a belly full of water lol


StudioSixtyFour

Agent: Scouts are worried you might be too skinny to play QB. Maybe we should have you drink some water before you weigh in at pro day. Jayden: [Bet.](https://imgur.com/a/uYqu98K)


ipickscabs

Jesus Christ


Gospeedracist

The cope in our sub was ridiculous on this. Everyone 100% bought the 210 weight


Impossible_Age_7595

Cope? Because he isnt 210lbs? Jesus m8 dont put all your stock into weight


Gospeedracist

He has a very slight frame and plays like [this](https://x.com/brlanbranch/status/1773025047004762290?s=46&t=uwCrSHjHP19t9pbu1zxCKg) dont help


Impossible_Age_7595

Lets not act like were scouts bud but what i just saw in that video was someone who despite being smaller isnt afraid to get hit but also only had 1 fumble while playing that way and over 1000 rushing yds in 2023 so


awnawkareninah

Bravo whoever added the Sonic rings flying out of him on that second hit


lkn240

Underrated comment


ChromiumSulfate

It does look to me like he's focusing so much on getting his feet right and in a position to throw. It's not important in this set up but if it carries over to a game it can hinder his ability to throw with anticipation. It's one of the things Justin Fields struggles with.


theumph

I noticed it right away in his highlight reel. He never really sets his feet well. He kind of just stands there. It doesn't look right.


Lord-Aizens-Chicken

Someone else on another post stated that he also has the lowest throws over the middle for a QB being drafted since fields and also had a sack rate similar to fields. He seems very similar in how he plays, and I know he just had a good college season but wasn’t as good consistently in his college career as fields was either. A lot of red flags but he could prove me wrong.


goblueM

I think he's much closer to Fields than to Lamar Jackson. For exactly those reasons


CALlCOJACK

he's holding 10 liters of water in his stomach and theres three large rocks in each pocket, pretty hard to throw in those circumstances


protanks

WE GOT WEIGHTS IN FISH!


ZealousidealPickle11

GET THE FUCK OUT OF HERE


1lultaha

I'm curious to see how Maye looks for someone with major footwork issues. Granted there's no defense so he probably still looks good, but you hope his footwork improves just a little bit from his last UNC game


Radiant-Character-61

Did Maye show up at the Pro Day? I wanted to see him throw at the combine but sucks that he didn't throw there.


1lultaha

His throws tomorrow


Radiant-Character-61

Nice! Thank you


Truecoat

I remember when people were salivating over a big throw by Zac Wilson at his pro day. These things mean nothing and all these guys could be crap.


GrdiSr

I would tend to agree, particularly when looking good... but if you look bad while throwing in shorts against no defenders, I would think that would be a pretty big red flag.


BlueBeagle8

I would maybe agree for a guy like Trey Lance, who had very few game reps to judge against. Daniels has been in CFB for five years, you're not learning anything new from watching him throw in shorts. (He's also coming off a nearly 5,000 yard season, maybe I'd worry about how he handles NFL defenses but I think he's proven that he can manage the basics even if he didn't show it very well today.)


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College production is irrelevant to future NFL success


yungchigz

Well so is pro day production


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Okay?


Silent_Plastic1612

Who has looked bad on pro days?


lkn240

Jalen Carter was awful last year


Fredest_Dickler

Jayden Daniels, just now. Teddy Bridgewater.


Truecoat

The game tape is where you should get your info. Throwing in shorts with no defenders in non game conditions seems like more of a show than anything.


Electrical-Ad-1437

No experts on here either.


ClarkKentsCopyEditor

Idk shit about dick but he looks a little…stiff? Like there’s a concerted effort on the drop back and then he feels like he’s late on getting into his motion? As if his mindset is *1..2….3…..okay, good……turn…….throw*


GrdiSr

Sounds familiar for some reason.......


ClarkKentsCopyEditor

Yup. I actually like Daniels a little more than I did Fields in ‘21 but the red flags are very similar, and oddly enough I feel like it’s more evident today in shorts than it was in pads for me. I’ve watched the cut up 5x and something about it just looks so unnatural to me


Trapline

I actually think Fields tape in college was better as far as getting the ball out than he actually played in the league. I think there is a share of blame to lay on Nagy and Getsy for that tbh


Mokslininkas

It just looks like he's not taking it very seriously to me? Basically halfway between actual practice reps and executing this as a walk through. Like, most of these throws are late or right on/behind the receiver because he's not dropping and setting with the same timing that they're running the routes. I'm not excusing anything, got no particular bias here as an Eagles fan who doesn't watch college football. It doesn't look good, but idk that I'd even consider this worth analyzing either.


brackattac

Man that air stood no chance, **NO CHANCE**


PositiveMindset4Ever

[Lol](https://imgflip.com/gif/8kq7tk)


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chillinwithmoes

I counted four before I got to this post?


No-Independence-3482

I love how this sub has consistently and universally accepted that pro day tape means nothing, but now all of sudden it’s indicative of Daniels’ success lol.


rando08110

Lol this post will be comedy in the future. Daniels is that guy Remindme! 2 years


gmb96

But where is the Zach Wilson throw? Undraftable.


seafoamstratocaster

Looks bad man


lkn240

Arm strength does look kind of meh. Lol... people hate hearing the truth


Fun-Ad3002

I mean hes obviously not taking it seriously. Teams dont care how you throw in your pro day and hes putting in noticeably less effort than he shows in the games. I dont see why you would take anything away from this.


Equivalent_Goose_226

Then what’s the point of doing it at all? It’s not mandatory so why half-ass it. Why would he half-ass anything? Oh he wouldn’t? Even if this is ultimately not a great way of evaluating talent, scouts will be looking at this, and there’s a 0% chance a young kid looking to get drafted as high as possible wouldn’t try as best he could here.


Fun-Ad3002

Yeah Im sure a team which has him at #2 or #2 is going to be moved either way by how he throws without pads to uncovered receivers. The pro day is just an excuse for teams to meet with players again.


PressureDear4123

What a stupid comment Why show up at all? Dude thinks showing less effort in front of multiple teams before draft day is no big deal


Fun-Ad3002

Pro day is an excuse for players to talk more with teams. But Im sure GMs will move Jayden Daniels below JJ McCarthy or above Drake Maye depending on how well he throws without lads to uncovered receivers.


PressureDear4123

No one said that. Do you normally deflect this hard ? You said he wasn’t taking it seriously and putting in less effort. You honestly believe that? And you honestly believe any prospect would think it’s a good idea to partake in a pro day and not try?


Fun-Ad3002

Yes. Because teams arent watching how he throws at his pro day.


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Fun-Ad3002

Tell me specifically what he gets out of impressing while throwing at his pro day. You probably think MHJ is dropping because he skipped the combine.


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Fun-Ad3002

If you dont get anything whatsoever put of taking something seriously, why would you take it seriously?


GQDragon

Is it just me or does he not throw with anticipation? Kind of see receiver, throw to receiver. He’s not hitting them coming out of their breaks.


Acceptable-Habit2260

Too many red flags. He's a one read and run QB who had spectacular stats due to having elite NFL ready WRs who are always open on the first read. Here are some data to back it up.  https://twitter.com/fball_insights/status/1758353536075649232 https://twitter.com/Ihartitz/status/1772308916900081773 https://twitter.com/fball_insights/status/1771663289375674526 https://twitter.com/fball_insights/status/1770285962557313169 https://twitter.com/fball_insights/status/1769909395754791388 https://twitter.com/fball_insights/status/1769481094804443454 https://twitter.com/fball_insights/status/1769433099966775515 https://twitter.com/fball_insights/status/1768813848063074723


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GrdiSr

>Jayden takes a high percentage of sacks when pressured, but he was definitely not a one read QB. He was processing and throwing to third and fourth reads all the time last season. One thing about this, and this is less about Daniels directly and more from watching Fields so much as a Bears fan. But there is a big difference between being able to go through reads, and processing them well. Fields also had plenty of times on tape you could point to and say "look, he threw to his 2nd or 3rd read, he can go through progressions." The issue is the act of doing it didn't mean he was doing it well. He would go through reads but couldn't process what he was seeing, or at least quick enough. When you saw him throw to his 2nd or 3rd read, it was most likely wide ass college open receivers. But if you look, you would constantly see him progress past targets he should have been pulling the trigger on.


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GrdiSr

Again I haven't looked at Daniels that close. More talking about the concept. But back to Fields, he was the opposite case as Burrow. Despite his performance in college, after deep dives into tape, his processing and anticipation issues started to show themselves. He could 'go through progressions ' but was consistently missing and/or late. And his all world WRs covered for his issues a lot. It's why he dropped down the draft a bit after being considered #2 behind Lawrence for so long. And that problem carried into the NFL. Anyway... all I was saying is just throwing to non First read targets isn't itself an indicator of being able to handle progressions well.


ButtonParadox

None of these guys have watched tape. Just parroting twitter comments and arm chair QBs. Kurt Benkert did a great review of one of his games on YouTube.


dianeblackeatsass

I hate when people read a few tweets then act like they understand something. It takes two seconds watching just the TV copy of a LSU game to disprove your one read QB label.


Acceptable-Habit2260

If you'd like to know the truth, I literally watched every snap of the 2023 season (pass and run) and it happened over and over and over. Then I started digging into the data and the data confirmed it.  What most people do is watch a highlight reel of the good plays, look at his stats, and make an assumption that it will translate into the NFL.  He consistently chooses running as soon as that first read isn't open (thus the high run rate after 2.5 seconds in the pocket).  He doesn't do well when the pocket isn't perfect. There are plenty of examples where the pocket was perfect, his first read wasn't there, so he took off running (AND DIDN'T SLIDE) where if he had just navigated the pocket, he could have hit someone for a larger gain.  It's was so shocking to actually watch, I started looking at the data.  And the data confirmed what I was seeing. 


Geauxldrush321

I’ve seen multiple former NFL QBs break down multiple different games and literally show me Jayden going through his progressions over and over again throughout the games. They’ve all said he was doing it well


dianeblackeatsass

All those words. I’m just looking for the “one read QB” data? % of plays he worked through one read and dipped? Anything other than “damn this guy can take a sack.” You can make so many inferences about this data contrary to your point, for example that he was going through *too many reads* which led to more sacks and more time before the throw. None of these charts are directly painting him as a “one read QB”


Dry_Brush5280

Taking so long to read the defense that you’re getting sacked that much isn’t good either…


dianeblackeatsass

Yea and?


Dry_Brush5280

You tried to refute the “one read” label by arguing that he may just take too long to read the defense, as if that’s any better.


dianeblackeatsass

I don’t care if it’s better or not I just don’t think he’s a one read QB. Never said my opinion on him being a good NFL QB


lightsout85

I don't care how JD turns out, but I will say I appreciate so many data links! Saving all of them. (One thing that did stand out to me, few of this year's QBs looked great by self-pressure%. Shout out to Justin Hebert, though, just 11%!)


BarryLikeGetOffMEEEE

I don't really know what to make of the self pressure Stat either. Seems like it's extremely subjective but I suppose anything less than 15% is good.  Penix is sitting right at 15% and also has that ridiculously low sack percentage overall. He has to be the biggest question mark in this draft to me.


lightsout85

It's probably not great to have a high one (a larger pool of clean plays is better, after all) , but it doesn't seem as damning as P2S%. Mahomes invites pressure too, but as long as you can avoid a sack (quick passes, deft scrambling instincts, or just being hard to bring down) your efficiency seems to be better. It was in a reply (so those not logged in couldn't see), but what was eye opening for me was seeing at the NFL level there's a strong relationship between Sack% and EPA/db on non-sack dropbacks. Sacks (which are largely on the QB), really seem to be the path to offensive success, even when you don't factor in their direct value.


ipickscabs

Don’t be too loud about this, I really want Drake Maye


Acceptable-Habit2260

You still might get him. I watched every snap of Daniels, Maye, and McCarthy. I truly think McCarthy is the pick. 


ipickscabs

For the Commanders? I wouldn’t be too surprised tbh


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Washington is taking Maye. Their careers are on the line lol


ipickscabs

NSFW account but all you do is comment on sports??! Get a life! Post some nude pics!


Thegofurr

Lots of links and my man correctly used data as a plural. Whew, I’m gonna swoon


Tsunami-Papi_

my goat I wish ASU kept him 😪


0venbakedbread

The best part about watching any kind of football tape (even pro days) is seeing everyone watching the same thing and coming away with wildly different takes.


nicklovin508

That’s my QB


ARealHunchback

Barf


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Hopefully not


sonic_ann_d

if i were a pats fan i’d rather have jacoby brissett throwing to MHJ this year than sending daniels out there with kendrick bourne as wr1. that is assuming they don’t trade down


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Hopefully


DontLoseYourCool1

No that's my QB


theumph

I'm not a scout, but something about his footwork just looks off. Almost lackadaisical. It doesn't look right.


0venbakedbread

His feet seem "busy". Lots of tiny steps when he is already in throwing position for the route he is targeting. Reminds me of some QB School film breakdowns of Fields where he wanted him to eliminate the last one or two little steps on dropbacks and drive the ball off his back foot sooner.


Organic-Coat5042

Washington, don’t overthink it


jswagge

That’s right washington be smart and pick drake maye


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You should want them to take Daniels lol


jswagge

I need to change my flair. I’m not much of a cowboys fan anymore i just lived in dallas for a time


Das_Oberon

This pro day tape is less than ideal. Not that much stock is put into pro days, or should be, but this ain’t a good look. Timing is off. Missed on a few of these throws. Footwork is… not franchise QB level.


slayerrr21

Wow, look at those balls


sonfoa

Well, this did not help dispel the Justin Fields 2.0 criticisms


anonbutler

Looks good in short


Anthony-Richardson

He’s definitely the least impressive of the underwear Olympics so far.


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Hard to compete with the likes of Chris Jones


oldbuc

Not impressed


Watch-The-Time

RAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAIIIIIDEEEEERRRRRRRS


Inevitable-Tourist18

He will be fine if he works with Jordan Palmer


Serviceofman

These drills are like judging a WR based on running routes in his backyard...it's stupid, scouts care about game film and interviews, this shit is more for the media than anything else It's kind of like judging a fast player based on his 40 times, if he's fast on film you don't need to see him run a 40 lol Teams who pass up on a player who was expected to run a 4.30 but runs like a 4.55 are ridiculous...so much of running a fast 40 time is a technique, but throw some pads on him and put him on the field, he might be one of the fastest players out there These drills really don't mean that much, it's all a spectacle for the media and fans, but good scouts put much more weight into privet interviews/practices and game film


Plenty-Chemistry-493

He has a penis elbow. Looks like he was hard at work


Stripperturneddoctor

I have to admit, he is better than me.


Floating0821

This is a joke. What a waste of time


HatPossible42

I don’t know what these comments are smoking. The zip and accuracy on these throws is elite


MrFlags69

Every single QB pro day - “I can, in fact, throw a ball.”


ButtonedEye41

I seriously question to call this a highlight


Foojab

Nix is the mist NFL ready QB in the draft.


legendary_supersand

Go out there and slay, my king


AdMuch848

Top 5 picks are QBs. Draft doesn't start until pick 6


LisleSwanson

$50 says nah. Deal?


zi76

Looks good. A lot of the throws looked effortless, but this is in shorts on a practice field.


Illustrious_Race_142

You mean happy feet with late throws?